Refrigerator not working again
Ignoramus25344
working.
The compressor unit in it would keep trying to start and would be
unable to start, tripping an overload relay.
After some "time off" to let the system cool, the fridge started just
fine. I also replaced a capacitor and relay (which was very cheap and
possibly not needed) and thought that I was done.
However, since yesterday it started having trouble again. Letting it
cool down for a couple of hours would get it started, only to find it
unable to restart a few hours later.
What could be the culprit here? Unlike last time, there is no
emergency, as we have less food and all our food easily fits in
another fridge.
The refrigerator is a Kenmore made by Amana with fancy electronic
front control.
i
Mike Hocksbigg
Call a fucking professional service tech you nut-job.
Jim Stewart
Wound pretty tight today aren't we?
Mike Hocksbigg
Yep.
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>If you recall, a month or so ago I posted about a refrigerator not
>working.
>
>The compressor unit in it would keep trying to start and would be
>unable to start, tripping an overload relay.
>
>After some "time off" to let the system cool, the fridge started just
>fine. I also replaced a capacitor and relay (which was very cheap and
>possibly not needed) and thought that I was done.
>
>However, since yesterday it started having trouble again. Letting it
>cool down for a couple of hours would get it started, only to find it
>unable to restart a few hours later.
>
>What could be the culprit here?
Sounds like it might be broke.
>Unlike last time, there is no
>emergency, as we have less food and all our food easily fits in
>another fridge.
>
>The refrigerator is a Kenmore made by Amana with fancy electronic
>front control.
>
>i
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rangerssuck
Just guessing, again, but this sounds like the pressure is not
bleeding off, for whatever reason. It's hard to imagine seals that
would hold pressure for hours, but I suppose it's possible. Or, maybe
there's some contamination somewhere - water, perhaps, that's freezing
in a low spot in a line?
Wait a minute - I just reread your post - Am I right that it does
restart if you let it sit a couple of hours? What if you let it sit a
few (maybe 5) minutes? Wait till the compressor is running, then
unplug it after a couple of minutes. Then wait five minutes and plug
it back in. Does it restart then? If so, there's something wrong with
the control circuitry. It should not, under normal circumstances, be
trying to start against a load. There should be enough hysterisis in
the thermostat, or some sort of lock-out timer to prevent rapid
cycling.
Do you maybe have an air leak - lik in the door gasket? I could see
how that would cause rapid cycling.
RS
AZ Nomad
You're already wasted more time and money that a housecall and
diagnosis would have cost. You can't quit now. Replace the
compressor. Then the evaporator. Then rip out all the plumbing and
replace that too. Replace the control unit too while you're at it.
Don't forget to replace the outlet, inside house wiring, and the
utility power pole.
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"Ignoramus25344" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.25344.invalid> wrote in message
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Look dude.... Just shitcan the thing and buy another one.
And PLEASE just shut the fuck up.
Have a nice day! :-)
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Ignoramus25344
Just curious why are you so pissy, a slow day? Customers not calling?
i
Bill
> If you recall, a month or so ago I posted about a refrigerator not
> working.
>
And a month ago I said...
Get a refrigerator thermometer (kitchen stuff department of stores), then
keep an eye on the temperature.
If there was a lot of water which came out from having it off while you
fixed it, and this happens again in a month or so, suspect the
defrost/heater/timer.
HVAC
"Ignoramus25344" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.25344.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> Look dude.... Just shitcan the thing and buy another one.
>>
>> And PLEASE just shut the fuck up.
>>
>>
>> Have a nice day! :-)
>>
>
> Just curious why are you so pissy,
Pissy? This is me being NICE.
> a slow day? Customers not calling?
I've never been so busy. Seriously.
I do commercial only and all I can say
is WHAT recession?
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Ignoramus25344
> "Ignoramus25344" wrote in message
>> If you recall, a month or so ago I posted about a refrigerator not
>> working.
>>
>
> And a month ago I said...
>
> Get a refrigerator thermometer (kitchen stuff department of stores), then
> keep an eye on the temperature.
>
> If there was a lot of water which came out from having it off while you
> defrost/heater/timer.
>
>
\
Thanks
As a matter of fact, there was not much water (none that I could see)
that came out.
i
rangerssuck
> cap tube or possibly if equipped the TEV. You might ask where the
> moisture comes from in a sealed system. Not knowing the service history
> of this unit I could not tell you if it actually has ice build up or if
> the system had been worked on prior to dumbfuck purchasing it used. But
> it sure displays the proper symptoms to be a distinct possibility
'Scuse me, but Igor is hardly a "dumbfuck." He can afford to pay
professionals, but likes to do things himself, and isn't embarassed
about asking for help. There's a lot to be learned from his approach
to these things.
Ignoramus25344
> news:3audneLutf28tQTR...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> Look dude.... Just shitcan the thing and buy another one.
>>>
>>> And PLEASE just shut the fuck up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a nice day! :-)
>>>
>>
>> Just curious why are you so pissy,
>
>
> Pissy? This is me being NICE.
>
>
>
>> a slow day? Customers not calling?
>
>
> I've never been so busy. Seriously.
>
> I do commercial only and all I can say
> is WHAT recession?
So, say, what would you say if you were in a nasty mood?
i
ransley
Friday in Illinois the tax rebate is on again for one day, and I think
Best Buy is giving another 15% off, thats 30% off, you would be a fool
not to get a new frige, or get a repairman and fix that dying horse.
Jon Elson
> If you recall, a month or so ago I posted about a refrigerator not
> working.
>
> The compressor unit in it would keep trying to start and would be
> unable to start, tripping an overload relay.
>
> After some "time off" to let the system cool, the fridge started just
> fine. I also replaced a capacitor and relay (which was very cheap and
> possibly not needed) and thought that I was done.
>
> However, since yesterday it started having trouble again. Letting it
> cool down for a couple of hours would get it started, only to find it
> unable to restart a few hours later.
>
> What could be the culprit here? Unlike last time, there is no
> emergency, as we have less food and all our food easily fits in
> another fridge.
>
Well, this thermistor capacitor start scheme sounds pretty crummy to me.
If the power gets a short glitch, even a couple cycles of the line, that
may allow the compressor to nearly stop when there is high pressure in
the condenser side. Then, power comes back and the thermistor is hot,
so it doesn't restart. There is a thing called a "sinpac" switch,
currently manufactured by Stearns. It uses a voltage sensing chip and
a triac to control the start winding. It is made as a replacement for
shot centrifugal switches, but is also great on motors where such a
switch can't be used, like refrigerator compressors. At least through
the channels I got one a while ago, they are expensive, but I'll bet a
refrigeration shop will carry them much cheaper.
There are also electronic modules, often used in the heating/cooling
trade, to prevent "short-cycling". They are just wired in series with
a motor, and will shut it off for some number of minutes whenever there
is a power interruption.
Of course, you may just have a defective compressor, and it is slowly
seizing up, and will eventually lock up for good.
I converted a central air conditioning system from capillary tube to
expansion valve some years ago, and had problems with the compressor
failing to start. I installed a "hard start kit" from my friendly local
A/C supply shop. This was a potential relay and a BIG starting cap.
It augments the run cap when starting, and greatly increases starting
torque. It solved the problem. I don't know if this is the kind of
problem this unit is having, and you might have to instrument it to find
out what the cause is. It could be a bad compressor, it could be a
bad starting system design, it could be a program problem in the
computerized controller that is occasionally trying to stop and restart
the compressor too quickly, it could be a mechanical timer on the
defrost that has that same effect, or it could even be low line voltage
or a worn-out wall socket making poor contact.
The friendly local A/C supplier isn't so friendly anymore, I have to
show them my EPA "green card" to get them to sell anything to me.
The trade prices on stuff just blows me away. I needed a run cap for
our current A/C unit a couple years ago, showed them my green card, and
got a HUGE run cap for about $7.50. I walked in there expecting to pay
$50 for it.
Jon
Bill
To test this theory, put all your food in ice chests and turn off the fridge
for 24 hours with the door open. Then start it back up and see if it works
for another month.
There are also pans in the bottom of fridges to catch water. See if that is
full after 24 hours.
If it is "frost free", these have a timer which shuts off the compressor,
then turns on a heating element on the freezer coils. This defrosts the
freezer portion every so often..
The timer or the heating element can stop working.
You may be able to remove a panel in the freezer portion and see the coils
if they are hidden. If you see a big block of ice, then that is the problem.
Air can not be circulated into the refrigerator if ice is blocking the air
flow.
Steve B
"Ignoramus25344" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.25344.invalid> wrote in message
My life experience (62 years so far) is that when refrigerators start acting
up, unless it's a fix that costs less than $50, it is cheaper to dump it and
get another. In today's market, nice fridges are cheap. About as much as a
compressor job, and the compressor repair man has a warranty that is good
until he's out of sight.
Just me.
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LSMFT
sealed can you can't fix it. Putting lubrication in the coolant could
help but you can't do that either without unsoldering connections and
capturing the coolant and could cost more to fix than to throw out and
buy a new one.
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>"Ignoramus25344" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.25344.invalid> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Look dude.... Just shitcan the thing and buy another one.
>>>
>>> And PLEASE just shut the fuck up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a nice day! :-)
>>>
>>
>> Just curious why are you so pissy,
>
>
>Pissy? This is me being NICE.
Then you are normally a dick?
>
>
>
>> a slow day? Customers not calling?
>
>
>I've never been so busy. Seriously.
>
>I do commercial only and all I can say
>is WHAT recession?
So you do lots of work for mascochists?
Or are you simply a prick to those that dont hire you?
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You think it's retaining water ?
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>"Ignoramus25344" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.25344.invalid> wrote in message
>news:3audneLutf28tQTR...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> Look dude.... Just shitcan the thing and buy another one.
>>>
>>> And PLEASE just shut the fuck up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a nice day! :-)
>>>
>>
>> Just curious why are you so pissy,
>
>
>Pissy? This is me being NICE.
>
>
>
>> a slow day? Customers not calling?
>
>
>I've never been so busy. Seriously.
>
>I do commercial only and all I can say
>is WHAT recession?
Now we know who you do commercials FOR - Brobama !
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And is it 'Eye-gor' or 'Ee-gor' ?
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>"Ignoramus25344" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.25344.invalid> wrote in message
>news:FsOdnRgNi_29jgTR...@giganews.com...
>> If you recall, a month or so ago I posted about a refrigerator not
>> working.
>>
>> The compressor unit in it would keep trying to start and would be
>> unable to start, tripping an overload relay.
>>
>> After some "time off" to let the system cool, the fridge started just
>> fine. I also replaced a capacitor and relay (which was very cheap and
>> possibly not needed) and thought that I was done.
>>
>> However, since yesterday it started having trouble again. Letting it
>> cool down for a couple of hours would get it started, only to find it
>> unable to restart a few hours later.
>>
>> What could be the culprit here? Unlike last time, there is no
>> emergency, as we have less food and all our food easily fits in
>> another fridge.
>>
>> The refrigerator is a Kenmore made by Amana with fancy electronic
>> front control.
>>
>> i
>
>My life experience (62 years so far) is that when refrigerators start acting
>up, unless it's a fix that costs less than $50, it is cheaper to dump it and
>get another. In today's market, nice fridges are cheap.
WTF do YOU shop ? The fucking things cost what a CAR used to
cost. New.
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
in news:i7beb4$ogp$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Wouldn't he call a refrigeration professional, instead?
They're pretty scarce. He might be better with an F-ing professional,
instead.
We had a "refrigeration professional" out to the factory a three months
ago to replace an A/C compressor under warrantee.
Long story short... I had to do (actually completely UN-do, clean the
work, and RE-do) the brazing for him. He couldn't lick all the leaks.
To his defense, it was a BAD position in which to work, he was a short
little sucker, the unit was tall, and it was a tiny, tight workspace
inside the coil of that unit. But damn... I'm just a pyrotechnics guy,
and _I_ was able to Sil-Flo that thing down tight in one try.
So much for "refrigeration professionals".
Yeah... I know there are some. I learned to braze from one. But this
guy's was the sort of skills I see all the time over in alt.hvac. And
they SCREAM about how they're the only ones competent to work on systems.
Hell... half of them can't figure out which way is "up" for liquid feed
with R410a. (or why),(and it's printed on the bottle)
LLoyd
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
news:i7b7t5$trc$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Keep your day job AZ. You aren't going to make it as a comic.
He better try the comic thing... he can't make it as a refrigeration
professional no matter how hard he tries.
LLoyd
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
news:3audneLutf28tQTR...@giganews.com:
> Just curious why are you so pissy, a slow day? Customers not calling?
no... he's a "refrigeration professional", and doesn't want anyone to
figure out the four or five pages of knowlege that constitutes his
"professional advantage" over ordinary laymen.
LLoyd
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> Yet there is almost always a free on on Freecycle or Craigslist.
I keep my "beer fridge" out in a roofed but not enclosed part of the barn.
It rusts out completely in about four to five years. So, I replace it with
another $50-$75 unit off the various lists and/or swap sheets. $20 a year
isn't too much to pay for a working fridge.
LLoyd
AZ Nomad
I know enough not to employ the shotgun approach. However if you think
pissing away ten times the cost of having a pro diagnose it correctly is
the way to go, then don't let anybody stop you.
Ignoramus25344
Lloyd, I mostly am after trying to understand what is happening, right
now. I have a luxury of having plenty of time, due to having less food
at home that fits onto one fridge.
i
Steve
> The refrigerator is a Kenmore made by Amana with fancy electronic
> front control.
Its a freakin Kenmore.... call Sears and have a guy come out and fix it, or
you can quit screwing around and buy a new one.
Ignoramus25344
The advantage that comes from DIY approach is that besides fixing the
fridge, I learn something.
i
Artemus
"Bill" <billnoma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> To test this theory, put all your food in ice chests and turn off the fridge
> for 24 hours with the door open. Then start it back up and see if it works
> for another month.
>
> There are also pans in the bottom of fridges to catch water. See if that is
> full after 24 hours.
>
> If it is "frost free", these have a timer which shuts off the compressor,
> then turns on a heating element on the freezer coils. This defrosts the
> freezer portion every so often..
>
> The timer or the heating element can stop working.
>
> You may be able to remove a panel in the freezer portion and see the coils
> if they are hidden. If you see a big block of ice, then that is the problem.
> Air can not be circulated into the refrigerator if ice is blocking the air
> flow.
>
>
element. If that is bad the heater will not function. BTDT.
Art
Ignoramus25344
Does that refrigeration knowledge amount to so little? Any textbook
you would recommend?
I cannot believe that, after fixing and retrofitting my Bridgeport
Interact CNC mill, I cannot ever properly diagnose a bad Sears
refrigerator. I started knowing nothing about CNC mills and now,
thanks to all the great help I got, I have a working CNC machine.
Maybe I can fix the fridge too.
i
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
news:slrni9iquv.1...@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net:
> I know enough not to employ the shotgun approach. However if you think
> pissing away ten times the cost of having a pro diagnose it correctly is
> the way to go, then don't let anybody stop you.
Ig is a smart guy. He can learn enough to save him ten times over what it
would cost, just by fiddling around with a unit that isn't critical to him
anyway.
LLoyd
Michael A. Terrell
I haven't bought a fridge in the last 25 years. In fact, I just
picked up a free apartment or dorm sized fridge over the weekend that
looks brand new. I've never bought a new microwave oven, and the most
I've ever paid was $2. I have four at the moment, and I'm deciding
which ones I'll keep. I've only bought two new televisions in the last
40 years. Most everything else is picked up not working and repaired.
AZ Nomad
For some things, it just isn't economical. The shotgun approach --
replacing parts without reason is never economical.
AZ Nomad
His time isn't worth anything. He'd rather be the first person on the
block with a fridge that cost him five grand than pay $200 for labor.
Ignoramus25344
Yes, so I am trying to learn some more specifics. Some people were
helpful and to them, I am grateful.
i
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
news:PpGdnRA_6MDU7QTR...@giganews.com:
> Lloyd, I mostly am after trying to understand what is happening, right
> now. I have a luxury of having plenty of time, due to having less food
> at home that fits onto one fridge.
yep. I have repaired a number of them with the same symptom, but the
symptom can be caused by more than one problem.
As someone else said, a _thoroughly_ frozen-up evaporator can cause the
symptom, because the liquid refrigerant won't boil out of the coil fast
enough to reduce the head pressure before the next cycle is requested.
That's one.
A lot of compressors now come with PTC thermistors in place of the
potential relays they used to employ to switch the start cap out of
circuit. They tend to fail rather easily in a high-humidity environment.
Although they're not terribly expensive, I replace all of them with
potential relays; sometimes scavanged from other similar-sized
compressors, sometimes new.
Then, of course, it's possible the new start cap is failing.
The compressor could be on the way out. If the bearings are getting
sticky or tight, the compressor will be harder to start than it should
be. This eventually manifests itself as a "locked rotor", and nothing
you can do (effectively) will fix that, except replacing the compressor.
Foreign material in the closed system can cause it, too. You didn't say
anything about ever opening it, but flakes of insulation from the
compressor windings and corrosion flaking off the inside of improperly
cleaned or improperly brazed lines can all do it. These, too, are
generally fatal problems, and cannot be fixed merely by replacing the
compressor and re-charging.
LLoyd
aemeijers
>
> "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell"<mike.t...@earthlink.net> fired this volley in
>> news:bpudnViRq8dG_gTR...@earthlink.com:
>>
>>> Yet there is almost always a free on on Freecycle or Craigslist.
>>
>> I keep my "beer fridge" out in a roofed but not enclosed part of the barn.
>> It rusts out completely in about four to five years. So, I replace it with
>> another $50-$75 unit off the various lists and/or swap sheets. $20 a year
>> isn't too much to pay for a working fridge.
>
>
> I haven't bought a fridge in the last 25 years. In fact, I just
> picked up a free apartment or dorm sized fridge over the weekend that
> looks brand new. I've never bought a new microwave oven, and the most
> I've ever paid was $2. I have four at the moment, and I'm deciding
> which ones I'll keep. I've only bought two new televisions in the last
> 40 years. Most everything else is picked up not working and repaired.
>
>
Happy to see I'm not the only cheap SOB out there. At least half my
appliances and home entertainment devices were either trash-picked, or
came from garage sales or CraigsList. I really, really hate paying retail.
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DD_BobK
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:20:36 -0700, rangerssuck wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 4:18 pm, Ignoramus25344 <ignoramus25...@NOSPAM.
> > 25344.invalid> wrote:
> >> working.
>
> >> The compressor unit in it would keep trying to start and would be
> >> unable to start, tripping an overload relay.
>
> >> After some "time off" to let the system cool, the fridge started just
> >> fine. I also replaced a capacitor and relay (which was very cheap and
> >> possibly not needed) and thought that I was done.
>
> >> However, since yesterday it started having trouble again. Letting it
> >> cool down for a couple of hours would get it started, only to find it
> >> unable to restart a few hours later.
>
> >> What could be the culprit here? Unlike last time, there is no
> >> emergency, as we have less food and all our food easily fits in another
> >> fridge.
>
> >> control.
>
>
> > Just guessing, again, but this sounds like the pressure is not bleeding
> > off, for whatever reason. It's hard to imagine seals that would hold
> > pressure for hours, but I suppose it's possible. Or, maybe there's some
> > contamination somewhere - water, perhaps, that's freezing in a low spot
> > in a line?
>
> > Wait a minute - I just reread your post - Am I right that it does
> > restart if you let it sit a couple of hours? What if you let it sit a
> > few (maybe 5) minutes? Wait till the compressor is running, then unplug
> > it after a couple of minutes. Then wait five minutes and plug it back
> > in. Does it restart then? If so, there's something wrong with the
> > control circuitry. It should not, under normal circumstances, be trying
> > to start against a load. There should be enough hysterisis in the
> > thermostat, or some sort of lock-out timer to prevent rapid cycling.
>
> > Do you maybe have an air leak - lik in the door gasket? I could see how
> > that would cause rapid cycling.
>
> > RS
>
> I mentioned a month ago the dumbfuck probably had ice build up inside the
> cap tube or possibly if equipped the TEV. You might ask where the
> moisture comes from in a sealed system. Not knowing the service history
> of this unit I could not tell you if it actually has ice build up or if
> the system had been worked on prior to dumbfuck purchasing it used. But
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
> Does that refrigeration knowledge amount to so little?
Well, HIS does. The body of knowlege a competent tech has is quite
large, and encompasses a wide variety of disciplines. You have many of
them already. But the skills specific to refrigeration repair are not
many, and your learning them wouldn't be a stretch, at all.
Now, I said, "technician". There's a whopping difference between a
competent tech and a real refrigeration expert. He's the guy who can
compute actual superheats based upon the refrigerant's characteristics,
the compressor specs, the load, etc. He can do and knows a lot more than
that.
If you're working on massive chillers for domed stadiums, you need that
sort of knowlege. Those guys are real engineers.
The techs could do everything they do from a ten page cheat-sheet. And
no... I'm not kidding. Like most repair trades, except for the handling
and diagnosing of actual refrigeration problems, they solve most of their
problems by parts-swapping. Most of their refrigeration-based problems
are handled by rote, not by a clear understanding of how the system
actually does what it does, or why the pressures must be what they must
be, or what actually causes them to go "off".
I worked strictly as a grunt for an HVAC guy for a summer, many years
ago. With only that training, which consisted mostly of peering over the
shoulder of my boss, I got to where I can (and do) repair all of my own
R-22 and R-134a appliances. I cannot work on systems using azeotropes,
because I can't buy them, and don't intend to get licensed; so I can't
fix any R410a problems that require refrigerant. I also cannot buy R-22,
but I don't need it (dried and filtered propane works fine, if you don't
have R22), and R134a is still available without an EPA certificate and a
licensed "master" operator supervising you.
Unlike the "pros", I don't deliberately vent systems to the air. I built
a small reclamation unit. It saves me the guilt of doing what I see
professionals do almost every time I hire one. It also captures some
refrigerant, which, if it's not been exposed to a compressor burn-out
(and thus containing acid), can be filtered, dried, and returned to
service. (and yes, safely. The "pros" would have you believe that _any_
reclaimed refrigerant will instantly destroy anything you put it in)
Everything I've needed to know to stay "current" on what I can legally do
is available on-line.
I don't repair anyone's equipment but my own. I will, however, diagnose
friends' systems for them, so they don't get bilked by the repair tech
when he finally shows up.
LLoyd
The Daring Dufas
I always add a little Supco88 to a system when replacing a compressor in
addition to a product like Acid Away an acid neutralizer. Of course a
refrigerator for home use doesn't need as much as a commercial unit but
it only needs a little to help it. A small dryer with an access valve is
not a bad idea either when a refrigerator compressor is replaced and the
odd fridge that has a starting problem can benefit from an all in one
hard start relay and capacitor package. I know a lot of guys who do a
great job on HVAC equipment who have trouble working on itty bitty
refrigeration units. I prefer the big stuff myself like 60 to 4k tons,
it's easier to work on. 8-)
TDD
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
> You need more than a fiddle to perform refrigeration repair.
That's all I see the "pros" do. They swap crap until it works, and if it's
an actual _refrigeration_ problem, they either add refrigerant, or scratch
their asses waiting for advice from "someone at the office."
LLoyd
Michael A. Terrell
No need to trash pick / dumpster dive. People know I can fix almost
anything, so I get phone calls, E-mails and deliveries of used items.
To give you an idea of how creative I am at saving money, I am making
some tongue & groove boards from scrap pallets to use as sub flooring.
:)
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
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> I always add a little Supco88 to a system when replacing a compressor in
> addition to a product like Acid Away an acid neutralizer. Of course a
>
Yep, but they also have filter/driers already impregnated with something
similar to neutralize char acids.
LLoyd
The Daring Dufas
There is nothing wrong with learning about the technology around you.
If you have an old piece of equipment, the time and money to spend on
your self education, go for it. If a fellow asks me for a job, I ask
if he has experience and if he has burned up a thousand dollars worth
of equipment. If he tells me he has never burned up any equipment. I
tell him he has no experience and needs to destroy equipment someplace
else because I can't afford it. 8-)
TDD
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
> I mentioned a month ago the dumbfuck probably had ice build up inside
> the
>> cap tube or possibly if equipped the TEV.
BTW (I don't think Bob wrote this) "dumbfuck" stuff.
But when's the last time you saw an ordinary household REFRIGERATOR with a
freakin' TEV? Huh? Who's the dumbfuck?
LLoyd
Ignoramus25344
That could be true. I once made a homemade control for a welding
machine. It was MIG, stick and plasma capable and welded pretty good
(though it was not as convenient to use as an industrial welder like
Miller).
Anyway, when I calculated the amount of little parts, doodads, and my
time at a VERY conservative rate, the time investment in the welder
control was so enormous that at something like $20 per hour, I could
have used this time to buy the nicest brand new Miller welder out
there.
But the difference between making that weld control, versus fixing the
fridge, is that when I was asking about various specifics, I got
educational, useful answers, instead of screaming and howling like I
get from some (but not all) losers that seem to hail from alt.hvac. I,
obviously, always welcome any useful ideas that would come from
constructively minded HVACers.
i
The Daring Dufas
I don't see why not, I remember fixing a CNC machine that had a
Toshiba bubble memory unit in the controller. It was a hoot,
when I told the kid at the electronic supply house about the
bubble memory unit, I got a blank stare and a "duh?".
TDD
Bill Noble
>>
>> You need more than a fiddle to perform refrigeration repair.
>
> Yes, so I am trying to learn some more specifics. Some people were
> helpful and to them, I am grateful.
>
> I
the last time I had those symptoms, it was a 1947 Norge that had run until
1987. I took it apart, and the root cause was lack of lubrication to the
rod bearing caused by a particle of some kind getting into the lubrication
hole and blocking it - Still, one can't be too unhappy about a 40 year life
on a refrig. I replaced it with a same brand unit, which didn't make 1 week
before requiring 2 (warranty) service calls. When it got replaced in about
10 years, I took it outside and it drained water out of the insulation for
several days - there were gallons of water frozen in the lining - the old
norge had none of that. Replacement refrig seems ok so far.
Bill Noble
"Ignoramus25344" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.25344.invalid> wrote in message
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> I
a lot of the so called magic is pretty obvious and available on line - if
you recall any of your thermo courses you can of course do the equations,
but these devices really are pretty simple.
The Daring Dufas
I usually only see those for AC units where a burnout is often much
more spectacular. I haven't paid attention to the small bullet dryer
specs to look for acid neutralizing media content. Acid Away is a
liquid that mixes with the refrigeration oil. I use the liquid in
addition to the Sporlan HH series dryers on an AC burnout. If the
AC evaporator and line set is badly contaminated, I use a cleaner
blown through it with nitrogen too. In my opinion, the Acid Away
protects the compressor much better than a dryer alone because it
stays in the oil in every part of the system like the windings of
the compressor motor that are vulnerable to being damaged by acid.
There are those critters out there who will just throw a system in
and head down the road without regard for how long it will last the
customer.
TDD
The Daring Dufas
A Sub-Zero? Of course, it's not exactly ordinary.
TDD
The Daring Dufas
It ain't rocket surgery. 8-)
TDD
Steve B
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote
> I keep my "beer fridge" out in a roofed but not enclosed part of the barn.
> It rusts out completely in about four to five years. So, I replace it
> with
> another $50-$75 unit off the various lists and/or swap sheets. $20 a year
> isn't too much to pay for a working fridge.
>
> LLoyd
A man after my own heart. I became interested in homebrewing, and am about
ready to kick it off.
I DO need a dedicated refrigerator, though.
I managed to get six Cornelius kegs with connectors and a regulator for
$100. I may get God knows what more, as I am swapping with a guy who wants
my 1200 gal. water tank, and he works for Coke/Dr. Pepper and I am pretty
sure he is getting this stuff for free. I am negotiating getting all the
"stuff" from a home brewer who was SWMBO'd, except for a $12 wort cooler,
which I can build cheaply, and all for $125.
Weather here is hot, and SWMBO will surely complain of the odor of the
flatulent fermentation process, so I guess I'll have to retire to the
containers and make a dedicated beer brewing area, complete with hot water,
triple tank NSF sink, dedicated refrigerators, and welded racking systems to
make things easier.
Moving along right on the time line. Should be an interesting and fun
hobby.
With the state of the economy today, "working fridges", particularly the
top/bottom varieties can be had for a song, and sometimes for just picking
them up.
When I was about 18 (1966), I found an old refrigerator in a motel they were
tearing down. It had the freezer part on top, but only one door. Wish I
knew the brand name, but for the time, was top of the line. Probably go for
a grand on ebay today.
I brought it home, covered it in zebra terrycloth, and put it out by the
pool for a beer and soft drink fridge. It was running when I sold the
house, and had probably been running at least twenty years prior.
They don't make stuff like they used to.
Steve
Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com
Steve B
real world, or at any chosen discipline, so they just take the easy way out,
and settle for a position that at least doesn't have a social stigma like
"gutter cleaner".
If they were able to grasp the basics of HVAC, they'd be out there changing
10 ton units, doing new construction, putting in very large walk in coolers
or freezers, or the like.
But instead, they don't have what it it takes to make it in the trade, so
they fall back on "refrigerator repairman."
Which to me is the same to "bicycle mechanic."
No offense to bicycle mechanics out there .................................
Steve B
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
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I have gauges. I would bet a Franklin that I could check the level of freon
in my system, call for a repairman, and be charged for a freon charge to
"top off the system."
Steve B
"The Daring Dufas" <the-dari...@stinky.net> wrote in message
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They are extraordinary. Their price is through the roof. Their appeal and
appearance are through the roof. Their customer complaints and
dissatisfaction with service and repairs are also through the roof.
How good does a fridge have to be?
Unlike Vulcan, Wolf, Dacor, and similar stoves that just perform superbly, a
Sub-Zero is an average refrigerator with some fancy features at a
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher price than average.
................................................. You pay more, you don't
get more, except for a fancier cover plate.
Steve
The Daring Dufas
I suppose I'm only familiar with the older Sub-Zero units. The
units I've fooled with, were built like commercial units with
semi-hermetic compressors on the top of the fridge.
TDD
Steve B
"Ignoramus25344" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.25344.invalid> wrote
> Maybe I can fix the fridge too.
>
> i
Something tells me you'll figure it out. I see HVAC guys all the time who
can't figure out how to pour piss out of a boot, yet they are HVAC guys, and
by their accounts, and certificates, are damn fine ones at that.
It's just too bad that the HVAC dynasty does not give out certificates and
testimonials for "parts changers."
"Lady, I don't have an idea what's wrong, but I will keep changing parts as
long as your bank card clears. And if that fails, there's always the, "It
needs a new compressor." Which means someone who actually knows what they
are doing will be by to work on the system.
HTH
Steve B
What % of the time would you estimate that happens?
Steve
Harold & Susan Vordos
"Jim Stewart" <jste...@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Hocksbigg wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:18:40 -0500, Ignoramus25344 wrote:
>>
>>> If you recall, a month or so ago I posted about a refrigerator not
>>> working.
>>>
>>> The compressor unit in it would keep trying to start and would be unable
>>> to start, tripping an overload relay.
>>>
>>> After some "time off" to let the system cool, the fridge started just
>>> fine. I also replaced a capacitor and relay (which was very cheap and
>>> possibly not needed) and thought that I was done.
>>>
>>> However, since yesterday it started having trouble again. Letting it
>>> cool down for a couple of hours would get it started, only to find it
>>> unable to restart a few hours later.
>>>
>>> What could be the culprit here? Unlike last time, there is no emergency,
>>> as we have less food and all our food easily fits in another fridge.
>>>
>>> control.
>>>
>>
>> Call a fucking professional service tech you nut-job.
>
> Wound pretty tight today aren't we?
Good call, Jim.
Some people! <sigh>
Harold
Harold & Susan Vordos
"Ignoramus25344" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.25344.invalid> wrote in message
> On 2010-09-22, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> fired this volley
>> in news:i7beb4$ogp$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> Wouldn't he call a refrigeration professional, instead?
>>
>> They're pretty scarce. He might be better with an F-ing professional,
>> instead.
>>
>> We had a "refrigeration professional" out to the factory a three months
>> ago to replace an A/C compressor under warrantee.
>>
>> Long story short... I had to do (actually completely UN-do, clean the
>> work, and RE-do) the brazing for him. He couldn't lick all the leaks.
>>
>> To his defense, it was a BAD position in which to work, he was a short
>> little sucker, the unit was tall, and it was a tiny, tight workspace
>> inside the coil of that unit. But damn... I'm just a pyrotechnics guy,
>> and _I_ was able to Sil-Flo that thing down tight in one try.
>>
>> So much for "refrigeration professionals".
>>
>> Yeah... I know there are some. I learned to braze from one. But this
>> guy's was the sort of skills I see all the time over in alt.hvac. And
>> they SCREAM about how they're the only ones competent to work on systems.
>>
>> Hell... half of them can't figure out which way is "up" for liquid feed
>> with R410a. (or why),(and it's printed on the bottle)
>
> Lloyd, I mostly am after trying to understand what is happening, right
> now. I have a luxury of having plenty of time, due to having less food
> at home that fits onto one fridge.
>
Iggy,
You shouldn't have to justify what you do to any of these guys. If they
"don't get it", that's their problem.
Luck with the repair.
Harold
Harold & Susan Vordos
"rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 5:50 pm, "A. Baum" <50kilo...@net.not> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:20:36 -0700, rangerssuck wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 4:18 pm, Ignoramus25344 <ignoramus25...@NOSPAM.
> >> If you recall, a month or so ago I posted about a refrigerator not
> >> working.
>
> >> The compressor unit in it would keep trying to start and would be
> >> unable to start, tripping an overload relay.
>
> >> After some "time off" to let the system cool, the fridge started just
> >> fine. I also replaced a capacitor and relay (which was very cheap and
> >> possibly not needed) and thought that I was done.
>
> >> However, since yesterday it started having trouble again. Letting it
> >> cool down for a couple of hours would get it started, only to find it
> >> unable to restart a few hours later.
>
> >> What could be the culprit here? Unlike last time, there is no
> >> emergency, as we have less food and all our food easily fits in another
> >> fridge.
>
> >> The refrigerator is a Kenmore made by Amana with fancy electronic front
> >> control.
>
> >> i
>
> > off, for whatever reason. It's hard to imagine seals that would hold
> > pressure for hours, but I suppose it's possible. Or, maybe there's some
> > contamination somewhere - water, perhaps, that's freezing in a low spot
> > in a line?
>
> > Wait a minute - I just reread your post - Am I right that it does
> > restart if you let it sit a couple of hours? What if you let it sit a
> > few (maybe 5) minutes? Wait till the compressor is running, then unplug
> > it after a couple of minutes. Then wait five minutes and plug it back
> > in. Does it restart then? If so, there's something wrong with the
> > control circuitry. It should not, under normal circumstances, be trying
> > to start against a load. There should be enough hysterisis in the
> > thermostat, or some sort of lock-out timer to prevent rapid cycling.
>
> > Do you maybe have an air leak - lik in the door gasket? I could see how
> > that would cause rapid cycling.
>
> > RS
>
> moisture comes from in a sealed system. Not knowing the service history
> of this unit I could not tell you if it actually has ice build up or if
> the system had been worked on prior to dumbfuck purchasing it used. But
> it sure displays the proper symptoms to be a distinct possibility
'Scuse me, but Igor is hardly a "dumbfuck." He can afford to pay
professionals, but likes to do things himself, and isn't embarassed
about asking for help. There's a lot to be learned from his approach
to these things.
----------------------------------------------------------
You're wasting your time trying to make these morons understand this issue.
Most of them don't know anything more than payday is Friday, and drugs are
good. What a sorry lot they are.
Iggy is someone to emulate, not denigrate.
Harold
Harold & Susan Vordos
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Ignoramus25344 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.25344.invalid> fired this volley in
> news:3audneLutf28tQTR...@giganews.com:
>
>> Just curious why are you so pissy, a slow day? Customers not calling?
>
> no... he's a "refrigeration professional", and doesn't want anyone to
> figure out the four or five pages of knowlege that constitutes his
> "professional advantage" over ordinary laymen.
>
Good one, Lloyd!
Harold
HVAC
<.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>I've never been so busy. Seriously.
>>
>>I do commercial only and all I can say
>>is WHAT recession?
>
> Now we know who you do commercials FOR - Brobama !
I've said it before and I'll say it again.....
It's only a recession if you don't have work.
Michael A. Terrell
And your only an ignorant asshole if you work in HVAC.
Michael A. Terrell
Remember all the hype about Bubble memory? It was supposed to do to
solid state RAM, what RAM did to core memory. I've only seen one
computer with Bubble memory, and it failed twice in two years.
rangerssuck
What the fuck? Teachers can't make it in the real world, or at any
chosen discipline, so they just take the easy way out? Are you fucking
serious?
Man-wai Chang
> If you recall, a month or so ago I posted about a refrigerator not
> working.
>
> The compressor unit in it would keep trying to start and would be
> unable to start, tripping an overload relay.
How old is it? Does it have enough room to vent its heat?
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"Harold & Susan Vordos" <vor...@tds.net> wrote in message
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Sorry sport, a fridge compressor is pretty simple... compressor, start kit,
and a stat to turn it on and off. He has replaced the start kit, the
compressor is a sealed unit, which only leaves the controls. The problem is
that iggy has more time than sense.
Anymore, appliances have either become disposable, or your service guy has
to also be an electronics tech to work on them. The more high end
technologies that are built into home appliances, the fewer techs there are
that are qualified to work on them. It ain't gramps air conditioner
anymore..... The residential systems I am installing and working on now have
digitally controlled, variable frequency, inverter drives.
In any vocation, if you don't update your knowledge base and skillset every
3 years, your behind the curve. With the changes and advances in HVAC, its
every 6 months to a year..... unless your looking for "Billy-Joe-Jim-Bob" or
"Bubba" with the cheapest price. Just remember that you get what you pay
for.
Steve
"Steve B" <pittma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9DFBBE22E5Allo...@216.168.3.70...
>> AZ Nomad <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> fired this volley in
>> news:slrni9iu8v.5...@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net:
>>
>>> You need more than a fiddle to perform refrigeration repair.
>>
>> That's all I see the "pros" do. They swap crap until it works, and if
>> it's
>> an actual _refrigeration_ problem, they either add refrigerant, or
>> scratch
>> their asses waiting for advice from "someone at the office."
>>
>> LLoyd
>
> I have gauges. I would bet a Franklin that I could check the level of
> freon in my system, call for a repairman, and be charged for a freon
> charge to "top off the system."
It takes more than *just* gauges to check the refrigerant charge balance.
What about the compressors rated amp draw?? superheat?? subcooling??
You can check with your gauges, then piss and moan cause you added when it
didn't need it, or recovered what you thought was excess.... when the
"problem" may have only been dirty coils, or blower wheel, or dirty filter,
or bunch of registers closed, or.............
Steve
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> HVAC wrote:
>>
>> <.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
>> news:6nmi96d4jskd3ngc7...@4ax.com...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>I've never been so busy. Seriously.
>> >>
>> >>I do commercial only and all I can say
>> >>is WHAT recession?
>> >
>> > Now we know who you do commercials FOR - Brobama !
>>
>> I've said it before and I'll say it again.....
>>
>> It's only a recession if you don't have work.
>
>
> And your only an ignorant asshole if you work in HVAC.
The same could be said of <insert your vocation here>.
Stormin Mormon
believe what you've written. It's a shame that so many techs lack the
basic skills.
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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> fired this
volley
in news:i7beb4$ogp$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Wouldn't he call a refrigeration professional, instead?
They're pretty scarce. He might be better with an F-ing professional,
instead.
We had a "refrigeration professional" out to the factory a three
months
ago to replace an A/C compressor under warrantee.
Long story short... I had to do (actually completely UN-do, clean the
work, and RE-do) the brazing for him. He couldn't lick all the leaks.
To his defense, it was a BAD position in which to work, he was a short
little sucker, the unit was tall, and it was a tiny, tight workspace
inside the coil of that unit. But damn... I'm just a pyrotechnics
guy,
and _I_ was able to Sil-Flo that thing down tight in one try.
So much for "refrigeration professionals".
Yeah... I know there are some. I learned to braze from one. But this
guy's was the sort of skills I see all the time over in alt.hvac. And
they SCREAM about how they're the only ones competent to work on
systems.
Hell... half of them can't figure out which way is "up" for liquid
feed
with R410a. (or why),(and it's printed on the bottle)
LLoyd
Jules Richardson
> the last time I had those symptoms, it was a 1947 Norge that had run
> until 1987. I took it apart, and the root cause was lack of lubrication
> to the rod bearing caused by a particle of some kind getting into the
> lubrication hole and blocking it - Still, one can't be too unhappy about
> a 40 year life on a refrig.
Ours will be 34 next year, so it's getting up there. I'd replace it if I
had any faith in a modern one lasting even a third of that time, but as
it stands I'll just run it until something major breaks.
I'm sure it uses huge amounts of power - but we have to heat the house
for over half the year here, so at least anything that it loses as heat
isn't going to waste during that time ;-)
cheers
Jules
Stormin Mormon
ammused, here, for the entire thread. I'm not at Iggy's place, doing a
proper diagnosis. But from what he wrote (and I saw quoted in someone
else's post). I'd be looking in different direction for the source of
the problem. But, then, everyone knows. I'm just a the dumf'k from alt
havoc.
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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
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> I mentioned a month ago the dumbfuck probably had ice build up
> inside
> the
>> cap tube or possibly if equipped the TEV.
BTW (I don't think Bob wrote this) "dumbfuck" stuff.
Michael A. Terrell
You starting this crap again? Most guys who work in HVAC couldn't
get a job at a fast food place.
Stormin Mormon
customer insisted were low freon, but turned out to be other problems.
One restaurant. The upright two door freezer had some kind of
compressor problem. Two cylinder compressor, about half the amps. The
owner totally insisted that it needed freon.
Out back, are the compressors for the cases indoors. The one for the
pie case, I think it was 1/3 HP compressor, with a receiver. The walk
in cooler was 1/2 HP, if memory serves. I put my gages on, and checked
amp draw. I could tell by the sound, the units were really straining.
The head was waay, waaay, up there.
I tried to explain (the old guy was very deaf) the actual problem. He
insisted the one needed 5 pounds of freon, the other needed 8. I got
out my Johnstone catalog, showed him the receiver holds 1.5 pounds or
was it 1.7 (been about three or four years ago). I told him that I'd
need to fix the actual problem. He refused to let me fix the problem.
Insisted that I add 5 pounds to the one system and 8 pounds to the
other. I finally walked off. I hope he leaves the business some day
and his wife calls me back. She was a lot more pleasant. Perhaps he
can retire to Florida, and enjoy his retirement there.
Of course, depending which tech you called. You might get a couple
pounds of freon added to your system, or you might get a proper
repair.
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"Steve B" <pittma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> That's all I see the "pros" do. They swap crap until it works, and
Stormin Mormon
serviced have been tin can compressors. Two -- one for fridge, and a
larger one for freezer. They have the usual problems with condensor
air flow, and one I worked on had a leaky evaporator.
Actually, I've worked on two Sup Zero which the customer chose to
replace. One had a failed compressor, the other had a leaky
evaporator.
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"The Daring Dufas" <the-dari...@stinky.net> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon
least some of the time, Lloyd's correct diagnosis is much different
than the tech from the yellow pages. I'm guessing Lloyd and the tech
disagree about 75% of the time.
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"Steve B" <pittma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ignoramus15834
able to diagnose which board failed and that helped me detect a part
swapping bullshitter tech who wanted to swap essentially everything. I
hired another one , who actually bothered to try to diagnose the
issue. This one is my only HVAC guy now.
i
The Daring Dufas
> "Harold& Susan Vordos"<vor...@tds.net> wrote in message
Ma AC ain't a workin, I thank it's th thermostait.
TDD
The Daring Dufas
When I was a wee lad, I had nuns for teachers, they were married to God
so they didn't worry about the real world. 8-)
TDD
Stormin Mormon
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"The Daring Dufas" <the-dari...@stinky.net> wrote in message
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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
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> What % of the time would you estimate that happens?
Around where we live, I'd say at least 30%. Most of the problems with
split systems around here are due to age, corrosion, and leaky fittings;
or the omni-present lightning-induced electrical burnouts.
But about 1/3 of the time when they DON'T need anything but a simple
repair or leak fix, the "repairmen" will show up, puff and wheeze around
the unit for an hour or so, and declare it's going to need "(new
compressor, new unit, replacing... et. al.)".
We have some guys who at least can fix units. We have others whose main
reason for making a service call is to entice the owner to buy a new
unit.
LLoyd
The Daring Dufas
The older units usually have larger heavier parts and the motor windings
may have a larger wire size. The newest equipment seems to be made as
light and as spare of materials as possible. I repaired a standard top
freezer refrigerator for my friend's daughter that stopped working due
to the motor windings in both the defrost timer and evaporator fan being
blown open by a power surge or lightening strike. The compressor was
unaffected and the fridge escaped serious damage because it was so
simple. Another fridge belonging to another customer was damaged by a
lightening strike which blew out a very expensive electronic control
board which controlled all of the complicated bells and whistles that
the wonderful big side by side super duper fridge was equipped with.
TDD
Stormin Mormon
customers who say that the techs from this or that company seemed only
interested in selling new units. Aparently, selling new units is not
limited to one company.
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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
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The Daring Dufas
Oh man, you're showing your age. I had a great deal of fun with
Univac 1100 series and IBM 360-50 systems so long ago. I was
actually present when a customer service engineer, remember
them, diagnosed a core memory failure, the first he'd seen.
Back then, when you bought a computer, an engineer was included
in the price to take care of the big monster. I remember the
big splash bubble memory made and I think it should be looked
at again and updated with more modern materials. There are some
applications in the world for simple robust nonvolatile memory
devices that could be served by the technology. Darn, I had a
small core memory unit (palm sized) that I found in a junk pile
on Meck Island at the Kwajalein Missile Range back in the late
1980's. I lost it in a move, it was a neat little gadget.
TDD
The Daring Dufas
Me and my friends have been installing surge arresters on a lot of AC
systems especially in rural areas, it keeps them running and the people
who depend on them and us happy.
TDD