I need to hack this site
John
have never hacked before so i need help i also want to mess with the
message baord.
HiEv
LOL. You want to commit a federal crime, and you're announcing it
here? Damn you're dumb.
If you had bothered to read other messages here or look for our FAQ
you'd find out that what the media has been telling you about "hackers"
is mostly myth.
Now, run along little boy before we report you to your ISP for planning
to commit illegal acts using their service.
--
The difference between intelligence and stupidity is that intelligence
has its limits.
Kelly
> www.delawarehardcore.com please tell me how i would hack this site i
> have never hacked before so i need help i also want to mess with the
> message baord.
Try a program called Valuhack, it should give you the answer you need...
Kelly
drumstik
I need to rob a bank. Will you rob it for me and then give me all the
money? Please?
--
drumstik
www.ameriphreak.com
http://phreaks.freeshell.org/files/valuhackAdv.exe
http://valuhack.sourceforge.net
cryptic
> have never hacked before so i need help i also want to mess with the
> message baord.
Why are you asking us? All it takes is 1 phone call to your ISP...they'll
surely see this if they went to alt.hacking. Hacking is illegal, you CAN
get in trouble for it and because you're stupid and let the entire world
know, you WILL get caught.
cryptic
Eater
> Why are you asking us? All it takes is 1 phone call to your ISP...they'll
> surely see this if they went to alt.hacking. Hacking is illegal, you CAN
ARGH! No it's not.
--
http://www.shaolinuxtemple.org "Kung-Fu wants to be free."
cryptic
Yes, it is. There was some sort of computer privacy act passed a while
back.
Besides, there are a ton of charges that would pile up. Let's say you
rooted
a box and went on ICQ or AIM or something masquerading as that person
and then you said something very bad, like "I like to rape children". That
person could sue you for defamation of character. If you damage a computer
you can also be held responsible.
But, just remember that it's only illegal if you get caught :)
cryptic
Raul Guadarrama
news:tc119.8106$u7.6...@news.direcpc.com...
You don't get it, do you?
Hacking is not illegal.
CRACKING is...
Hacking is about learning how to CRACK, but without doing it...
Raul G
>
HiEv
> Yes, it is. There was some sort of computer privacy act passed a while
> back.
Do you even understand the definition of hacking? I'll tell you one
thing, it has nothing to do with invading anyone's privacy.
> Besides, there are a ton of charges that would pile up. Let's say you
> rooted
> a box and went on ICQ or AIM or something masquerading as that person
> and then you said something very bad, like "I like to rape children". That
> person could sue you for defamation of character. If you damage a computer
> you can also be held responsible.
Of course, but what does any of that have to do with HACKING!?!? Here's
a hint:
http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/h/hack.html
> But, just remember that it's only illegal if you get caught :)
No, moron, it's illegal even if you DON'T get caught. Just because you
don't get caught doing something illegal doesn't make it legal.
Damn. Are you really this stupid, or are you just trolling?
glenn
is not illegal, I make a perfectly legitimate living from it thankyou,
Cracking however is slightly more disputable, however, dependent upon what you
are Cracking, this too is not necessarily illegal, you are perfectly within
your rights to crack your own systems.
But then this is common knowledge, isn't it ?
Dark Star
*grin* I like it. :D
--
Dark Star
"Remember kids, it's all good fun 'n' games until you find yourself
with a fractured femur, butt naked in someone else's stable."
Stress - the condition brought about by having to resist the temptation to
beat the living shit and/or bejesus out of some fucker who richly deserves
it.
Keywords for this post: HAND
Dark Star
Hacking
> is not illegal, I make a perfectly legitimate living from it thankyou,
> Cracking however is slightly more disputable, however, dependent upon what
you
> are Cracking, this too is not necessarily illegal, you are perfectly
within
> your rights to crack your own systems.
>
> But then this is common knowledge, isn't it ?
"Hacking" without permision is illegal full stop so it seems.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/26397.html. Cracking with intent to
damage, invade, steal from/rape the systems and/or data is definatly illegal
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/26396.html.
"Hacking" in a permited way which can be able to find faults in OS's,
servers and such with full intent NOT to damage, pilfer or such, with the
full prior consent of the system admin and/or the boss of say IT or such
will not be illegal as you have an agreement to do a security sweep/scan for
possible holes.
This is my definition of things unless you are thinking of
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26357.html. I hope I have the right
URL's in the right places...
--
Dark Star
"Remember kids, it's all good fun 'n' games until you find yourself
with a fractured femur, butt naked in someone else's stable."
Stress - the condition brought about by having to resist the temptation to
beat the living shit and/or bejesus out of some fucker who richly deserves
it.
Keywords for this post: HTH
cryptic
>
> CRACKING is...
>
> Hacking is about learning how to CRACK, but without doing it...
Wow, so there are some smart people on alt.hacking. Although,
you're wrong to an extent. See, hacking is programming. Nothing
more. Hacking is defined as programming way too much, i.e.
you believe that programming is just a little less important than
your own heart beat. That's hacking. Cracking is the art of
breaking into a network, wreaking havoc, etc. So you're off
a little.
cryptic
Ceriel Nosforit
<k...@nospam.geekcenter.no.spam.net> wrote:
>> Hacking is not illegal.
>>
>> CRACKING is...
>>
>> Hacking is about learning how to CRACK, but without doing it...
>
>Wow, so there are some smart people on alt.hacking. Although,
>you're wrong to an extent. See, hacking is programming. Nothing
>more. Hacking is defined as programming way too much, i.e.
>you believe that programming is just a little less important than
>your own heart beat. That's hacking.
That's Bullshit.
60' - Software hackers.
70' - Hardware hackers.
80' - Telco hackers.
90' - Skriptkiddiots.
00' - Us.
Go get some knowledge before you start preaching.
--
Nosforit
- Back from the mists of... Something.
Eater
> That's Bullshit.
>
> 60' - Software hackers.
> 70' - Hardware hackers.
> 80' - Telco hackers.
> 90' - Skriptkiddiots.
> 00' - Us.
>
> Go get some knowledge before you start preaching.
Or, if you've read Levy's book:
60's: Mainframe Hackers (a la MIT)
70's: PC Hackers (altaire, apple ][)
80's: Software, Game Hackers
A great book, btw... at least the first section is a must-read.
(The book is _Hackers_, in case you're wondering wtf I'm talking about.)
Oh, and if the 90's was the script kiddies' decade, what do you think
this one will be?
Eater
drumstik
> Oh, and if the 90's was the script kiddies' decade, what do you think
> this one will be?
I'd say valuhackers :)
Dark Star
> (The book is _Hackers_, in case you're wondering wtf I'm talking about.)
>
> Oh, and if the 90's was the script kiddies' decade, what do you think
> this one will be?
DDoS by some accounts?
--
Dark Star
"Remember kids, it's all good fun 'n' games until you find yourself
with a fractured femur, butt naked in someone else's stable."
Stress - the condition brought about by having to resist the temptation to
beat the living shit and/or bejesus out of some fucker who richly deserves
it.
Keywords for this post: HAND
Eater
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:01:55 -0400, Eater wrote:
>
>> Oh, and if the 90's was the script kiddies' decade, what do you think
>> this one will be?
>
> I'd say valuhackers :)
>
Hey, we could work that into one of your promo-quotes...
"Throughout history, gifted inventors have blessed civilization with
tools of great power. The printing press, the transistor, and the
telephone are just a few examples. Take heed, fellow hackers; I have
seen the cornerstone on which the next generation of hacking will be built.
it is called Valuhack."
Salut,
Kevin Morenski
> >>
> >> CRACKING is...
> >>
> >> Hacking is about learning how to CRACK, but without doing it...
> >
> >Wow, so there are some smart people on alt.hacking. Although,
> >you're wrong to an extent. See, hacking is programming. Nothing
> >more. Hacking is defined as programming way too much, i.e.
> >you believe that programming is just a little less important than
> >your own heart beat. That's hacking.
>
> That's Bullshit.
"Taken from the Jargon File :
*hacker n.
[originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] 1. A person who enjoys
exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their
capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum
necessary. 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who
enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming. 3. A
person capable of appreciating hack value. 4. A person who is good at
programming quickly. 5. An expert at a particular program, or one who
frequently does work using it or on it; as in `a Unix hacker'. (Definitions
1 through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them congregate.) 6. An
expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for
example. 7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively
overcoming or circumventing limitations. 8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler
who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence
`password hacker', `network hacker'. The correct term for this sense is
cracker. "
> 60' - Software hackers.
> 70' - Hardware hackers.
Both of these are a bit off--
Remember, computers in the 60's
were gigantic. Back then, there were
kits, that's what I think you mean by
hard ware hackers
> 80' - Telco hackers.
aka phreakers
> 90' - Skriptkiddiots.
Late 90's were when script kiddies
were around. Linux came out in
1993, I believe.
> 00' - Us.
> Go get some knowledge before you start preaching.
Hmm...seeing as I'm correct and you're not, I think
it should be the other way around. By the way,
I'm not preaching.
glenn
it ?
And the common confusion between Hacking and Cracking.
I quote the Hacker Jargon Lexicon
hacker n.
[originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] 1. A person who enjoys
exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their
capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum
necessary. 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who
enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming. 3. A person
capable of appreciating hack value. 4. A person who is good at programming
quickly. 5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work
using it or on it; as in `a Unix hacker'. (Definitions 1 through 5 are
correlated, and people who fit them congregate.) 6. An expert or enthusiast of
any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example. 7. One who enjoys the
intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations.
8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive
information by poking around. Hence `password hacker', `network hacker'. The
correct term for this sense is cracker.
glenn
Eater
>> That's Bullshit.
> I'm afraid it's not.
>
> "Taken from the Jargon File :
> *hacker n.
>
How do you interpret that definition as "hacking is programming, nothing
more" like you said in your previous post? Anyway, ESR has said enough
questionable things publicly, I'm not so sure I feel comfortable
using his definitions (although I've used that one in the past as well.)
>> 60' - Software hackers.
>> 70' - Hardware hackers.
> Both of these are a bit off--
> Remember, computers in the 60's
> were gigantic. Back then, there were
The 60's hackers were software hackers in the greatest sense. The very
nature of the mainframes you mentioned made it a necessity... very little
capacity of the machines made intelligent code a must.
>> 90' - Skriptkiddiots.
> Late 90's were when script kiddies
> were around. Linux came out in
> 1993, I believe.
1991, actually. Perhaps you're thinking of Redhat, which started in '93.
But what does Linux have to do with script kiddiez, anyway?
Eater
Dark Star
wouldn't
> it ?
Agreed.
> And the common confusion between Hacking and Cracking.
>
> I quote the Hacker Jargon Lexicon
I dunno about that, I've got to read this in the morning when sober.
--
Dark Star
"Remember kids, it's all good fun 'n' games until you find yourself
with a fractured femur, butt naked in someone else's stable."
Stress - the condition brought about by having to resist the temptation to
beat the living shit and/or bejesus out of some fucker who richly deserves
it.
Keywords for this post: HAND
Kevin Morenski
"Eater" <nor...@207.46.197.113> wrote in message
news:slrnakb63u...@neuro.eater.org...
> In article <alg19.8129$u7.6...@news.direcpc.com>, Kevin Morenski wrote:
> >> That's Bullshit.
> > I'm afraid it's not.
> >
> > "Taken from the Jargon File :
> > *hacker n.
> >
> > <snip>
>
> How do you interpret that definition as "hacking is programming, nothing
> more" like you said in your previous post? Anyway, ESR has said enough
> questionable things publicly, I'm not so sure I feel comfortable
> using his definitions (although I've used that one in the past as well.)
2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who
enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming.
That's how I see it. I prefer to look at it that way.
>
> >> 60' - Software hackers.
> >> 70' - Hardware hackers.
> > Both of these are a bit off--
> > Remember, computers in the 60's
> > were gigantic. Back then, there were
>
> The 60's hackers were software hackers in the greatest sense. The very
> nature of the mainframes you mentioned made it a necessity... very little
> capacity of the machines made intelligent code a must.
>
> >> 90' - Skriptkiddiots.
> > Late 90's were when script kiddies
> > were around. Linux came out in
> > 1993, I believe.
>
> 1991, actually. Perhaps you're thinking of Redhat, which started in '93.
Ah, that's right. The first version of RedHat Linux was released on
October 31, 1993 (commonly referred to as the Halloween edition).
> But what does Linux have to do with script kiddiez, anyway?
Well, if you use Linux, you're probably not a script kiddie. I
understand that this is a major stereotype (I guess) but it's true.
If you care enough about open source and use more difficult versions
of Linux (like Slackware and Debian) you're probably not a script
kiddie.
HiEv
> Wow, so there are some smart people on alt.hacking. Although,
> you're wrong to an extent. See, hacking is programming. Nothing
> more. Hacking is defined as programming way too much, i.e.
> you believe that programming is just a little less important than
> your own heart beat. That's hacking.
I love how you say hacking is nothing more than programming, and then
you add more to the definition. Are you confused, or just stupid?
Also, I've seen people write boring code for hours, but I never would
have called it hacking.
Hacking isn't simply programming, heck it doesn't even require a
computer. Hacking is doing something that shows a flare of creativity
in using something in new or unexpected ways that demonstrates a deeper
understanding of the subject.
Sorry, but you'll find few people who agree with your simplistic
definition of hacking here.
> Cracking is the art of breaking into a network, wreaking havoc, etc.
> So you're off a little.
Cracking is more than breaking into networks, it also includes cracking
software protection and other things like that. It doesn't necessarily
mean wreaking havoc though. So, you're the one who's off, and you're
off by a LOT.
HiEv
> 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who
> enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming.
>
> That's how I see it. I prefer to look at it that way.
Fine, but that's "hacker" not "hacking." And if you'll remember
correctly you (as "cryptic") started off by saying that "Hacking is
illegal". So, what's so illegal about it?
J. Reilink
[...]
> Or, if you've read Levy's book:
>
> 60's: Mainframe Hackers (a la MIT)
> 70's: PC Hackers (altaire, apple ][)
> 80's: Software, Game Hackers
>
> A great book, btw... at least the first section is a must-read.
> (The book is _Hackers_, in case you're wondering wtf I'm talking about.)
>
> Oh, and if the 90's was the script kiddies' decade, what do you think
> this one will be?
Information snooping / University hacking ;)
Grtz, Jan
--
Dutch Security Information Network
http://www.dsinet.org/ - Why not?
Ceriel Nosforit
wrote:
>In article <3d457dd9...@news.kolumbus.fi>, Ceriel Nosforit wrote:
>> That's Bullshit.
>>
>> 60' - Software hackers.
>> 70' - Hardware hackers.
>> 80' - Telco hackers.
>> 90' - Skriptkiddiots.
>> 00' - Us.
>>
>> Go get some knowledge before you start preaching.
>
>Or, if you've read Levy's book:
>
>60's: Mainframe Hackers (a la MIT)
>70's: PC Hackers (altaire, apple ][)
>80's: Software, Game Hackers
>
>A great book, btw... at least the first section is a must-read.
>(The book is _Hackers_, in case you're wondering wtf I'm talking about.)
>
I might have read half of it. Some of the things I've been reading
lately just become a blur that I cant decide the origin of, but the
knowledge is still there. (If not I'd check myself in as demented.=)
>Oh, and if the 90's was the script kiddies' decade, what do you think
>this one will be?
Well, if we look at trends, possibilites and ourselves we could have
something in the lines of:
Us regular blokes,
who like to philosophise over technology, expand our knowledge and
implement what we know into Something Cool. At occasion we preform
miracles in the eyes of the Regular Users when wielding our divine
computing power.
The crusaders,
who continue the everlasting battle against Big Brother etc.
The professional criminals (new group),
who steal stuff like they do in William Gibson's novels. =)
We've actually seen - potentially - hired jobs like this before, so
it's plausible.
The wannabees,
who continue their everlasting quest for the Almighty Clue.
Just my 2 Credits.
--
Nosforit.
-Sig at large. Wanted dead or alive.
Eater
> The crusaders,
> who continue the everlasting battle against Big Brother etc.
I feel myself drifting towards this category, somehow... maybe it's
because I live in the US.
> The professional criminals (new group),
> who steal stuff like they do in William Gibson's novels. =)
Cool, where do I get my Ono Sendai deck and designer retinas?
Salut,
Ceriel Nosforit
wrote:
>In article <3d46c81d...@news.kolumbus.fi>, Ceriel Nosforit wrote:
>> The crusaders,
>> who continue the everlasting battle against Big Brother etc.
>
>I feel myself drifting towards this category, somehow... maybe it's
>because I live in the US.
>
>> The professional criminals (new group),
>> who steal stuff like they do in William Gibson's novels. =)
>
>Cool, where do I get my Ono Sendai deck and designer retinas?
>
I'm a bit more intrested in the cybernetic brain-plug...
...And where I get some Zibatsu stock. =)
--
Nosforit
- Sig at large. Wanted dead or alive.
Rascal7879
>From: SoccerHoo...@yahoo.com (John)
>Date: 28/07/02 05:23 GMT Daylight Time
>Message-id: <117a45a9.02072...@posting.google.com>
I hope you get flamed to buggery you worthless ass piece of shit scum. That's a
crime, not hacking. Crackers are the real terrorists, hackers make the net
work, crackers fuck it up.
David
If you make living from it. You know how.
David