Ash and Misty: Together again...
David Pochron
be some big revelation in part 2, it looks like the "girl" Ash was pining
away for in "Pokemon: Jirachi" is Latias, and not Misty! I suppose there's
the girl he and Brock had a brief crush on in "The School of Hard Knocks",
but that was before they decided to write Ash as a lunkhead when it comes to
romance. And then there's Melody from "Pokemon 2000", but Ash never seemed
to show an interest in her. And of course there's Bayleaf, but that
relationship is definitely one-way, and it seems to annoy Ash more than make
him happy.
Anyone else I forget?
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The next episode will be great (assuming they only aired part 1 today),
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Kasumi uses her Gyarados versus the villains, and nobody in America will
know where the hell it came from (she caught it at her own gym when she went
back to run it; housou special #2). Now whilst I can understand there being
no desire to translate the poopy housou episodes like Nanako (the
baseball-crazy girl) and her adventure with a scaredy Lizardon, some of them
are actually important to the main story, as will be revealed next week.
...ok, 1 and 2 are the only ones important to the main story; all the others
are either TR backstory, some situation involving the other Rocket couple
(Yamato and Kosanji*.... Cassidy and Botch?) or stories that should never
happen (the baseball one above). Buuut.... some of them are good, and I'm
sure the US audience would appreciate them. Seeing Satoshi's old Pokemon at
Professor Ohkido's ranch is cool.
*kosaburo daaaaa....
Disruptor
Jedah And Sonans wrote:
There is also the Brock special where he gets rid of all his pokemon and why he
does so.
David Pochron
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> Buuut.... some of them are good, and I'm
> sure the US audience would appreciate them. Seeing Satoshi's old Pokemon at
> Professor Ohkido's ranch is cool.
Yeah! I was floored when I finally took a look at the latest episode guide
and noticed how many specials are not getting translated outside of Japan. I
really want to see the upcoming one with Meowth as a detective. :-)
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William Rendfeld
I think you missed the point of his conversation in 'Wish-Maker'. Ash
was talking about being separated from a friend (Misty is definitely a
friend). No romantic undertones there.
Then again, I could be wrong.
David Pochron
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> I think you missed the point of his conversation in 'Wish-Maker'. Ash
> was talking about being separated from a friend (Misty is definitely a
> friend). No romantic undertones there.
> Then again, I could be wrong.
Okay, let's ignore the romance part of it for a moment and just assume he's
talking about a really good friend.
Actually, the really weird thing about that scene is Ash is speaking like he
will never see the person/Pokemon he misses so badly again but that they will
always be in his heart. Until he said it was a "she" at the end of his
speech, I thought for sure he was referring to Latios, or maybe Butterfree.
Latios because he's the 1st Pokemon death in the anime, ever. And Butterfree
because he was Ash's first caught Pokemon, and he has yet to ever see him
again.
But the fact that he's referring to a girl throws that idea out the window.
So it has to be Misty or Latias, but since Misty lives so close by it doesn't
seem likely he's talking about her. (Heck, she didn't seem to have any
trouble catching up with them in the Hoenn region.) Latias seems more likely
since he's not likely to travel to Altomare again anytime soon. But I wanted
to see his reaction to Misty yesterday to see if he really missed her as
badly as he seemed indicate in "Jirachi" if that was indeed who he was
referring to, but he failed that test miserably. So that's why I'm really
leaning toward it being Latias now.
Then again, maybe the whole "Jirachi" quote is just be the US dubbers trying
to shoehorn in the whole Misty/Ash relationship again, and the original
Japanese version does refer to someone/something male?
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David Pochron
> Butterfree because he was Ash's first caught Pokemon, and he has yet to
> ever
> see him again.
Crud. Just found out Butterfree is dead and they changed the US dub to hide
that fact. No wonder we haven't seen him since he left. :-(
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richard e white
So how did he get it?
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David Pochron
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> So how did he get it?
In the Japanese version of "Bye Bye Butterfree", Brock reveals to Ash that
male Butterfree die after they mate.
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STEFFAN HEDD ALUN
>> So how did he get it?
>
> In the Japanese version of "Bye Bye Butterfree", Brock reveals to Ash that
> male Butterfree die after they mate.
Really? What an utterly weird thing to write into a cartoon. Are you sure
someone's not having you on?
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> "David Pochron" <dp...@ticon.net> wrote in message
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> >> So how did he get it?
> >
> > In the Japanese version of "Bye Bye Butterfree", Brock reveals to Ash
that
> > male Butterfree die after they mate.
>
> Really? What an utterly weird thing to write into a cartoon. Are you
sure
> someone's not having you on?
They are supposed to be bugs....
daramark
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And let's face it it's not as though the death of a pokemon is unknown
in the games.
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David Pochron
> someone's not having you on?
Do a search on the serebii.net Pokemon anime forum for "Butterfree" and
you'll find a couple of threads that mention what was originally scripted for
the episode.
There's some controversy over what Brock actually said. Sometimes it's
translated as "Butterfree mate and then they die" but others have seen it
translated as "Butterfree mate before they die". But it seems like most
people believe the first translation is more accurate and that's why Ash was
so very upset over having to let him go.
If it's true, my own opinion on what probably happens is the mating ritual
takes place during the long journey across the ocean and by the time its done
the male Butterfree are too exhausted to finish the trip so they drop into
the sea and drown. :-(
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Inkan
> ...and nothing has really changed between them. :-)
I see that Misty also went for a new outfit. Now yellow with blue
was a good match for redhead Misty. But a pure yellow outfit ( except
for a red top that's mostly hidden by her yellow vest ), that's just not
her color.
Still, I appreciate that she's still partial to short shorts. I
wonder if she got the idea for her outfit from Hikari Kamiya. :-)
- Juan F. Lara
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Inkan
daramark wrote:
>>>male Butterfree die after they mate.
>>Really? What an utterly weird thing to write into a cartoon. Are you sure
>>someone's not having you on?
> They are supposed to be bugs....
Scythers and Scizzors are mantis pokemon, right? Boy, do I feel
sorry for those males. :-)
- Juan F. Lara
STEFFAN HEDD ALUN
> Do a search on the serebii.net Pokemon anime forum for "Butterfree" and
> you'll find a couple of threads that mention what was originally scripted
> for the episode.
I stopped listening after "serebii".
> There's some controversy over what Brock actually said. Sometimes it's
> translated as "Butterfree mate and then they die" but others have seen it
> translated as "Butterfree mate before they die". But it seems like most
> people believe the first translation is more accurate and that's why Ash
> was so very upset over having to let him go.
That's just dumb. He's upset because he's seperating from a Pokémon for the
first time. The whole point of the episode (other than getting rid of a
dumb Pokémon to make room for more) is to show that Ash has to be selfless
and give up Butterfree for 'free's own happiness, and that whole thing is
undermined if it's a metaphor for terminal illness. The reason Butterfree
never returned is because not enough kids care - the same reason Pigeot
hasn't been seen since leaving, amongst several others.
> If it's true, my own opinion on what probably happens is the mating ritual
> takes place during the long journey across the ocean and by the time its
> done the male Butterfree are too exhausted to finish the trip so they drop
> into the sea and drown. :-(
Think about what you're saying. Sure, the show's acknowledged death, but
it's a bit of a stretch to assume that they don't mind killing off
"""beloved""" Pokémon just to make room for a Mankey later on.
Don't believe everything you read.
David Pochron
> I stopped listening after "serebii".
I noticed "office politics" seems to play a larger than usual role in regards
to the various Pokesites. :-/ It's too bad, really. Regardless of whether a
group of people believe a particular website has any credibility or not is
not an issue since the info is from the forums, not from the moderators. Any
Pokesite forum has as much credibility as any other Pokesite forum, including
a.g.n.p, as long as the moderators aren't trying to squelch or reshape posts
on this matter. Like I said in my previous message, not everyone agrees
about the interpretation of the dialogue in the episode - there is plenty of
debate. But it would explain a lot as to why we get to see just about all of
Ash's other discarded Pokemon but not Butterfree, and I think that makes for
a compelling argument. The final determining factor, however, would be to
listen to the episode as it aired in Japan and figure out what the exact
dialogue was.
> that whole thing is undermined if it's a metaphor for terminal illness.
I don't think terminal illness is the correct term here at all. The
situation isn't that Butterfree is unconditionally dying. If Ash doesn't
release Butterfree he would live, but Butterfree would have serious regrets
about a lost love. IN FACT, if anything, Ash knowing Butterfree is likely to
die because of his choice strengthens the point of the episode - Ash respects
his Pokemon and he will give up some of his happiness in order to let
Butterfree live his life the way he wants to, even though Ash may think its
foolish.
> The reason Butterfree never returned is because not enough kids care - the
> same reason Pigeot hasn't been seen since leaving, amongst several others.
I disagree with you here. First of all, when I'm referring to Ash's Pokemon,
I don't count the "loaner Pokemon" like Larvitar and Lapras. Second, I think
you're thinking in terms of the game as far as the popularity of Butterfree.
Butterfree may be weak in the game, but he was a fairly interesting character
in the anime. I totally disagree with you when you say he isn't popular with
kids, or at least with young kids. Guess who is on my niece's list of
favorite Pokemon? Pikachu, Mew, Mewtwo, Treecko, Charizard, Butterfree,
Beautifly, and Starmie. No big surprises there considering her age. I don't
think it's the case that we don't see the Pokemon that aren't popular. Heck,
we've seen Kingler (KINGLER?!) return more often than Butterfree, and somehow
I don't think anime Kingler is more popular with kids than anime Butterfree.
The only other Pokemon from the first and second season that I can think of
other than Butterfree and Pidgeot (though I swear I remember seeing Pidgeot
return for an episode) that haven't been seen again is Primeape. Everyone
else has either showed up for cameos at Oak's lab or has had a special
episode (or movie appearance) since they left Ash's group way back when.
Bayleaf, Cyndaquil, etc. don't count because although it has been a year
since Ash met May in our time, it's probably been like what, only a couple of
months in series time since Ash left for Hoenn?
> Think about what you're saying. Sure, the show's acknowledged death,
Has it? One of my gripes about the show has been how they always skirt the
issue. If it's true that Butterfree died then that changes my opinion on
that matter completely. (Although I will say my opinion is largely changed
already due to Latios' fate in "Pokemon Heroes".)
> it's a bit of a stretch to assume that they don't mind killing off
> """beloved""" Pokémon just to make room for a Mankey later on.
Except that was back at the start of the series, when it was OK to have
rangers pointing guns at kids and hitting on Misty, and James in drag. Now
the series has gotten a lot more conservative since it has such a worldwide
appeal now. I agree with you to a point: If Butterfree were still with Ash
today they would never write an episode that would kill him off. But back
then, it's plausible.
> Don't believe everything you read.
I don't. I think the bigger lesson to learn is don't trust the dub version
for facts. If they can hack Mewtwo's origin or rewrite the Legend of
Altomare then they could change anything in the dub, and it would only take a
few changed words to change the meaning of something. Heck, I still have
serious doubts about whether the original point of this thread, who was Ash
referring to when he says he misses someone in "Jirachi" is an accurate
translation from the original dialogue. If it's a girl then this week's
episode would point that toward Latias, but if it's a boy then it has to be
Latios or Butterfree. After learning the possible fate of Butterfree, now
I'm really giving serious consideration to the possibility that the dub is
wrong and the change was made to make us think Misty x Ash together is real,
even though it isn't, and that he is indeed referring to Butterfree.
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Joseph William Dixon
> > Think about what you're saying. Sure, the show's acknowledged death,
>
> Has it? One of my gripes about the show has been how they always skirt
> the issue. If it's true that Butterfree died then that changes my opinion
> on that matter completely.
Personally, I'd put my money on it being true - after all, if the Sailor
Senshi can die messily and onscreen at the end of the first Sailor Moon
series (which is aimed at about the same age group as Pokemon is), then
surely there'd be no problem (except in North America, of course) for a
sentimental, offscreen death for Butterfree...
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Okay. You talk too much. If you can't be concise, please shut up.
Jose L. Solano
>>
>>Okay. You talk too much. If you can't be concise, please shut up.
>>
>>
>>
More appropriately, summary of the world's problems and one individual's
reaction to it.
Inkan
> Okay. You talk too much. If you can't be concise, please shut up.
Learn to read, pal.
- Juan F. Lara
Jose L. Solano
>> Okay. You talk too much. If you can't be concise, please shut up.
>
> Learn to read, pal.
Do you even know what concise means?
daramark
Snipping lots of stuff that I did find interesting. More interesting than
the Anime, so go figure.
> > Don't believe everything you read.
>
> I don't. I think the bigger lesson to learn is don't trust the dub
version
> for facts. If they can hack Mewtwo's origin or rewrite the Legend of
> Altomare then they could change anything in the dub, and it would only
take a
> few changed words to change the meaning of something. Heck, I still have
> serious doubts about whether the original point of this thread, who was
Ash
> referring to when he says he misses someone in "Jirachi" is an accurate
> translation from the original dialogue. If it's a girl then this week's
> episode would point that toward Latias, but if it's a boy then it has to
be
> Latios or Butterfree. After learning the possible fate of Butterfree, now
> I'm really giving serious consideration to the possibility that the dub is
> wrong and the change was made to make us think Misty x Ash together is
real,
> even though it isn't, and that he is indeed referring to Butterfree.
Someone else mentioned Sailor Moon. And this is a very good comparison,
since they are both translated, and changed, sometimes radically, in those
translations.
We all know they eat Rice Balls, but anime translators insist that we think
of them as donuts, sandwiches etc.
They skirt all kinds of issues, because someone somewhere will not
understand (whatever). Do I think that they changed Butterfrees fate?
Sure, I know they could and would, and probably did. But I haven't seen it
in years, and I sure didn't see it in it's original Japanese version, and
even if I had, I don't speak Japanese so I would be lost anyway.
What happened to all the people who used to study Japanese here? I don't
think Catgonk was the only one. Or the people who got subtitled versions?
daramark
Inkan
>> Learn to read, pal.
>
> Do you even know what concise means?
Do you know what "attention span" means?
- Inkan
Jose L. Solano
>
> Do you know what "attention span" means?
>
Do you know what logorrhea means?
STEFFAN HEDD ALUN
> "STEFFAN HEDD ALUN" <sh...@aber.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:10964527...@leri.aber.ac.uk...
>> I stopped listening after "serebii".
>
> I noticed "office politics" seems to play a larger than usual role in
> regards
> to the various Pokesites. :-/ It's too bad, really. Regardless of
> whether a
> group of people believe a particular website has any credibility or not is
> not an issue since the info is from the forums, not from the moderators.
> Any
> Pokesite forum has as much credibility as any other Pokesite forum,
> including
> a.g.n.p, as long as the moderators aren't trying to squelch or reshape
> posts
> on this matter.
I agree with what you say, but this is a complex matter. The lad who runs
Serebii has some issues involving Pokémon UK, the site for which I work. I
don't actually understand the problem - on the one hand, he insists that
we're too small a site to be a "threat" and that it'd be a complete waste of
his time to concern himself with us. On the other hand, he seems to spend a
lot of time checking up on our stuff and ensuring none of it's plagarised,
and if it is, he goes out of his way to let everyone know.
It's difficult. He pretty much does all the site work himself, with
additional staff only for the forums. We have about half a dozen
administrators and countless staff members, including some dedicated to
translating pages and maintaining things like comments posted on pages and
so on. It's very difficult for us to ensure that all the pages being added
are the staffers' original work, so we have to make sure staff members are
trustworthy before they get to upload their own stuff, and occasionally,
you'll get someone adding a page from elsewhere.
Serebii makes a habit of holding the site responsible for the actions of
that minority, and it makes PR very difficult. Personally, I want nothing
more than a healthy, friendly relationship with other sites. What I dislike
is a bully, and that's what I believe you are if you spend your time
undermining the work of a group of people who maintain a hobby website for
the benefit of others and no reward other than the thrill of seeing people
get the most out of it.
I hate politics. I don't understand why they exist. However, they DO
exist, and Serebii.net does not deserve the respect it appears to command.
> Like I said in my previous message, not everyone agrees
> about the interpretation of the dialogue in the episode - there is plenty
> of
> debate. But it would explain a lot as to why we get to see just about all
> of
> Ash's other discarded Pokemon but not Butterfree, and I think that makes
> for
> a compelling argument.
I don't remember seeing any Pokémon other than Charizard make a comeback.
Anyway, there's also the fact that Butterfree pretty much sucks. Butterfree
served the same purpose in the show as it does in the games - it evolves
very early, so it teaches you about evolution, but after a while, other
things evolve and become stronger than it, so you dump it somewhere.
> The final determining factor, however, would be to
> listen to the episode as it aired in Japan and figure out what the exact
> dialogue was.
Well, yes, but I still don't understand what evidence backs up the death
idea unless someone HAS actually listened to the Japanese version.
I still think that it's very weird to end on a "they're all gonna die" note.
It works in Lord of the Rings, a sophistocated fantasy adventure tale with
lots of iconic themes and ideas. It doesn't work in Pokémon, a cartoon
about a kid who catches uber-cute creatures and gets soppy when he sets them
free.
>> that whole thing is undermined if it's a metaphor for terminal illness.
>
> I don't think terminal illness is the correct term here at all. The
> situation isn't that Butterfree is unconditionally dying. If Ash doesn't
> release Butterfree he would live, but Butterfree would have serious
> regrets
> about a lost love. IN FACT, if anything, Ash knowing Butterfree is likely
> to
> die because of his choice strengthens the point of the episode - Ash
> respects
> his Pokemon and he will give up some of his happiness in order to let
> Butterfree live his life the way he wants to, even though Ash may think
> its
> foolish.
I don't think Ash is that wise or deep. If he thought Butterfree would live
longer if he didn't set him free, he wouldn't. To him, it was between
Keeping Butterfree As Friend or Letting Butterfree Get Laid. It wasn't a
difficult decision because of the nature of life and death - it was a
difficult decision because Ash is dumb.
>> The reason Butterfree never returned is because not enough kids care -
>> the
>> same reason Pigeot hasn't been seen since leaving, amongst several
>> others.
>
> I disagree with you here. First of all, when I'm referring to Ash's
> Pokemon,
> I don't count the "loaner Pokemon" like Larvitar and Lapras. Second, I
> think
> you're thinking in terms of the game as far as the popularity of
> Butterfree.
> Butterfree may be weak in the game, but he was a fairly interesting
> character
> in the anime. I totally disagree with you when you say he isn't popular
> with
> kids, or at least with young kids. Guess who is on my niece's list of
> favorite Pokemon? Pikachu, Mew, Mewtwo, Treecko, Charizard, Butterfree,
> Beautifly, and Starmie. No big surprises there considering her age. I
> don't
> think it's the case that we don't see the Pokemon that aren't popular.
There are a lot of Pokémon. Butterfree was in a LOT of episodes early on,
and it probably became overkill after a while. There's not that much
diversity to be had with such a simplistic Pokémon, especially one who's
fully evolved and has no really interesting personality. In terms of
personality and behaviour, Butterfree and Pidgeotto were pretty much the
same, so it was redundant to keep both.
> Heck,
> we've seen Kingler (KINGLER?!) return more often than Butterfree, and
> somehow
> I don't think anime Kingler is more popular with kids than anime
> Butterfree.
Different kids. That's why there are two types of Pokémon - uber cute and
uber powerful. Pikachu, being The Main Pokeyman, gets to be both. In terms
of appealing to kids, Pokémon combines My Little Pony with Masters of the
Universe - girls like cute, boys like fightin'.
Kingler happens to be an uber powerful Pokémon, so it's no surprise it's
returned several times. Butterfree is horribly weak, and isn't really that
cute either.
> The only other Pokemon from the first and second season that I can think
> of
> other than Butterfree and Pidgeot (though I swear I remember seeing
> Pidgeot
> return for an episode) that haven't been seen again is Primeape. Everyone
> else has either showed up for cameos at Oak's lab or has had a special
> episode (or movie appearance) since they left Ash's group way back when.
The Pokémon in Oak's lab don't count, since he never let them go. The
reason the Pokémon he's set loose generally don't return is because they've
had a triumphant exit episode. Charizard's return in Pokémon 3 was climatic
enough to justify the return.
I don't remember Ash releasing any Pokémon other than Butterfree, Pidgeot
and Charizard, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
>> Think about what you're saying. Sure, the show's acknowledged death,
>
> Has it? One of my gripes about the show has been how they always skirt
> the
> issue. If it's true that Butterfree died then that changes my opinion on
> that matter completely. (Although I will say my opinion is largely
> changed
> already due to Latios' fate in "Pokemon Heroes".)
It's acknowledged death insofar as it's referred to ghosts and graveyards.
It hasn't actually dealt with the issue, because it's a happy, feel-good
kids' show.
>> it's a bit of a stretch to assume that they don't mind killing off
>> """beloved""" Pokémon just to make room for a Mankey later on.
>
> Except that was back at the start of the series, when it was OK to have
> rangers pointing guns at kids
That's not so much of a taboo in Japan. I mean, a gun is just a real-life
laser, right?
> and hitting on Misty,
I assume this is less of a taboo also.
> and James in drag.
Again, none of this really compares to death.
> Now
> the series has gotten a lot more conservative since it has such a
> worldwide
> appeal now. I agree with you to a point: If Butterfree were still with
> Ash
> today they would never write an episode that would kill him off. But back
> then, it's plausible.
Plausible, maybe. But it makes very little sense when you think about it,
and I'm heavily sceptical, especially if the only evidence is Some Guys On A
Forum.
>> Don't believe everything you read.
>
> I don't. I think the bigger lesson to learn is don't trust the dub
> version
> for facts. If they can hack Mewtwo's origin or rewrite the Legend of
> Altomare then they could change anything in the dub, and it would only
> take a
> few changed words to change the meaning of something.
To what extent does that matter, though? Translating is an art in and of
itself, and it's impossible to create something in one language that has an
identical feel and story to the other. Spirit is vastly more important than
"facts" - this is why Lord of the Rings gets away with changing a lot of
stuff while the first two Harry Potter films, which are almost entirely true
to the facts in the books, are much less entertaining than the books and
feel totally different.
In the examples you mentioned, translating the facts word-for-word would
have created a very different feel to the episode - inflating breasts would
make for a very questionable episode in English.
> Heck, I still have
> serious doubts about whether the original point of this thread, who was
> Ash
> referring to when he says he misses someone in "Jirachi" is an accurate
> translation from the original dialogue. If it's a girl then this week's
> episode would point that toward Latias, but if it's a boy then it has to
> be
> Latios or Butterfree. After learning the possible fate of Butterfree, now
> I'm really giving serious consideration to the possibility that the dub is
> wrong and the change was made to make us think Misty x Ash together is
> real,
> even though it isn't, and that he is indeed referring to Butterfree.
You're contradicting yourself. If they're willing to change Butterfree's
fate or Mewtwo's origins, do you really think they'd translate a reference
to Butterfree word-for-word just so they can say "ha! they'll think it's
Misty"?
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Scott Johnson
> What happened to all the people who used to study Japanese here? I don't
> think Catgonk was the only one. Or the people who got subtitled versions?
I know some Japanese -- not perfectly fluently, but enough to get by. On
an interesting note, I was actually in Japan on the original air date of
Bye Bye Butterfree -- it was one of my earliest exposures to the show. I
don't recall anything about death in it, but it's been a long time, I
wasn't paying close attention, and my Japanese wasn't as good then as it
is now.
If someone has a raw copy of the episode they're willing to put up
somewhere, I could take a look at it and see if there's anything mentioned
about death at all. I've always been a bit skeptical of this rumor -- it
sounds to me like the sort of thing that gets invented by fans who want to
gripe endlessly about the oppressive dubbing companies and pretend the
show is a hard-hitting philosophical drama in the original. (Certainly
it's got a bit more tolerance for guns and bikinis than we see in the US,
but it's not *that* different.)
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find something interesting: a transcript of the episode done by a Japanese
fan way back in the day, before the show even started airing in the US.
It's somewhat clunkily translated, but quite clear nonetheless. And
there's nothing whatsoever about Butterfree dying. Not even a line about
them wanting to mate before they die. It looks like this rumor was
fabricated out of nothing.
For those interested in seeing for themselves, the transcript is at
http://www.on.rim.or.jp/~shou/butterflee.html . It matches well with what
I remember from the one time I watched the Japanese version, so I'm
inclined to trust it. And the only mention of death at all is when
Kasumi/Misty tells Satoshi/Ash to be more careful on a cliff edge or he'll
get himself killed.
So, looks like that one's been pretty conclusively debunked.