Hello Newsgroup
Ogmuk
I've been lurking around this group for a while myself but from today
the whole Erollisi Marr community can participate in the discussions
here. Welcome peeps ;)
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Graeme Faelban
news:Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com:
>
> I've been lurking around this group for a while myself but from today
> the whole Erollisi Marr community can participate in the discussions
> here. Welcome peeps ;)
>
Uh oh, prepare for the onslaught of usenet newbs.
--
On Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr>
Elder Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 65 seasons
Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons
Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 26 seasons
Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons
Zelgadis
Actually, unless the poster is completely illiterate or otherwise plain
out stupid, Ogmuk has put up a compilation of DOs and DON'Ts for people
to read regarding using Usenet here.
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Graefaxe
"Zelgadis" <Zelgadi...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote in message
news:Zelgadi...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com...
:
: Actually, unless the poster is completely illiterate or otherwise plain
: out stupid, Ogmuk has put up a compilation of DOs and DON'Ts for people
: to read regarding using Usenet here.
Such as, "Do quote from the message that you are replying?" To which poster
are you referring? What did he say?
Graeme Faelban
news:Zelgadi...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com:
>
> Actually, unless the poster is completely illiterate or otherwise plain
> out stupid, Ogmuk has put up a compilation of DOs and DON'Ts for people
> to read regarding using Usenet here.
>
He missed at least one very important one, quote what you are replying to.
I know, I post on the emarr boards, and I read his Dos and Don'ts.
Graeme Faelban
news:cf4f4818718c490c...@news.teranews.com:
It's likely to be sort of like when AOL was unleashed onto Usenet for a
while.
I PMed Ogmuk asking him to please add in a few of the more or less
standard posting rules used in this newsgroup.
Tracey
Graeme Faelban wrote:
> It's likely to be sort of like when AOL was unleashed onto Usenet for a
> while.
In another group I frequent, we recently had an influx of people who
were accessing newsgroups through a website. When you read the website,
it was very misleading. You had to join the website and then you
accessed newsgroups through the site. It was quite confusing to them
because they were lead to believe that only people who had joined
through the website were in 'their' discussion group. Confusing and
ultimately got quite ugly.
Tracey
Zelgadis
Grame Faelban wrote:
> He missed at least one very important one, quote what you are replying
> to.
> I know, I post on the emarr boards, and I read his Dos and Don'ts.
belittle newcomers and other such gateways, you're so dead. -_-
But at least I got that tidbit of information out to dispel possible
misinformation.
Ogmuk
bizbee wrote:
> >Uh oh, prepare for the onslaught of usenet newbs.[/color]
>
> ya mean like the idiot that thinks the pyramid scheme is worth
> trying?
The word you're looking for is 'sarcasm'.
Celaeno
<Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com>?
Oy vey...
Cel
Retired druids & sundry
Valleycrest
'Graeme Faelban' wrote:
> He missed at least one very important one, quote what you are replying
> to.
Yeah, I read it too and didn't get that it was mandatory to quote, but
I think the Emarr community will learn what is expected on this
newsgroup.
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Ulujain
And if E Marr peeps get themselves a real newsreader they can post to
Usenet the *proper* way.
Damn, haven't been in this ng for a while...seems to have gotten a lot
more traffic.
--
Peter aka Ulujain
http://www.ulujain.org/
Ulujain
> Actually, unless the poster is completely illiterate or otherwise plain
> out stupid, Ogmuk has put up a compilation of DOs and DON'Ts for people
> to read regarding using Usenet here.
>
news.newusers
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html
Ogmuk
Ulujain wrote:
> And if E Marr peeps get themselves a real newsreader they can post to
> Usenet the *proper* way.
Not everyone can install a newsreader for various different reasons and
since when are gateways an improper way to post messages to a
newsgroup?
Dark Tyger
<Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>I've been lurking around this group for a while myself but from today
>the whole Erollisi Marr community can participate in the discussions
>here. Welcome peeps ;)
How nice. You do realize that anybody who wanted to could participate
before with half a brain to figure out how to use a news reader...
--
Dark Tyger
Big kitty with a big gun
42
<Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>
>Ulujain wrote:
>> And if E Marr peeps get themselves a real newsreader they can post to
>> Usenet the *proper* way.
>
>Not everyone can install a newsreader for various different reasons and
>since when are gateways an improper way to post messages to a
>newsgroup?
Not everyone can walk, and wheelchairs are great solution for these
people... but abled bodied people are better off without them wouldn't
you say?
Unless your going to argue the entire Emarr community is unable to
post to usenet without this gateway I'd say its pretty self-evident
that pushing them *all* through an entirely unnecessary gateway just
to feed them some advertising for 'cheap everquest platinum' and what
not is pretty weak.
42
And to add to that... guess what ... Outlook Express which came
preinstalled on their computers is a news reader... not the best of
course... but considering the price (free) and the amount of effort
you have to do to get it (none) and the fact that half of them
probably use OE for email already anyways... its probably not too
great a stretch for them to figure it out.
Half a brain is too much... they just need a peanut ratting around up
there.
Ogmuk
Dark Tyger wrote:
> How nice. You do realize that anybody who wanted to could participate
> before with half a brain to figure out how to use a news reader...
Weeeee, don't have we a collection of bright and kind people in here.
To repeat what I already said: not everyone can install a newsreader.
Not because they are dumb idiots, like you assumed, but for example
when the administrator has disabled installation of software on their
computer at work. There are also plenty of dialup users or people at
work that are using ISP's which don't offer a news carrying server, to
name a second example.
Ogmuk
bizbee wrote:
> hmmm... none of these people have OE or Outlook?
Heh, as if Outlook Express is any better than any random gateway
script. What's your point?
DJ
"Ogmuk" <Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote in message
news:Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com...
Welcome!
Hope all of you from Erollisi Marr find it a useful resource. :)
Dave
Lurkerr
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Dark Tyger
<Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>bizbee wrote:
>> hmmm... none of these people have OE or Outlook?
>
>Heh, as if Outlook Express is any better than any random gateway
>script. What's your point?
Tragically enough, it is better. And that's saying a LOT.
42
I wonder if he sees the irony in that response.
Dark Tyger
<Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>Dark Tyger wrote:
>> How nice. You do realize that anybody who wanted to could participate
>> before with half a brain to figure out how to use a news reader...
>
>Weeeee, don't have we a collection of bright and kind people in here.
>To repeat what I already said: not everyone can install a newsreader.
>Not because they are dumb idiots, like you assumed, but for example
>when the administrator has disabled installation of software on their
>computer at work.
Google, then. Or, better, actually WORK when your at work instead of
slacking off on company time.
>There are also plenty of dialup users or people at
>work that are using ISP's which don't offer a news carrying server, to
>name a second example.
And there are plenty more ISPs that do. AOHell even offers newsgroups.
In fact, an ISP with no newsgroup access whatsoever is a rarity these
days.
Ladilya
DJ wrote:
> Welcome!
>
> Hope all of you from Erollisi Marr find it a useful resource. :)
>
> Dave
Nice to see someone is polite. /wave to Dave
BTW....no one is "forcing us" to use the gateway. It is simply
something in place for those who may not be able to access the usenet
groups any other way. Many offices do block access to newsgroups even
through programs like Outlook Express.
Funny thing is, I've used various other newgroups (never this one) and
I don't seem to recall most of the users there being quite so "holier
than thou" Anyways, enjoy your newsgroup, this will most likely be my
last looksie whether through a newgroup reader or the gateway.
Ladilya
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Annie Benson-Lennaman
Ladilya wrote:
> Funny thing is, I've used various other newgroups (never this one) and
> I don't seem to recall most of the users there being quite so "holier
> than thou"
Yeah, we tend to be a contentious bunch. That's part of our charm. Well,
some of us. Some of us are play nice. Some of use don't. Some of us wish we
were soaking in a hot tub right now. Best advise I can give it to make sure
that you don't bring your thinnest skin when you play in this sandbox.
> Anyways, enjoy your newsgroup, this will most likely be my
> last looksie whether through a newgroup reader or the gateway.
Aw.
Anyways... if any of the newsgroup people want to go check out the board that
this is linked from, all you have to do is go to
http://www.erollisimarr.com/forum/
I tried to register with the forum so I could post from there, but never got
the confirmation email telling me I was a-ok. Maybe it has to be manually sent
through, I don't know. Still, from what I could see and do, it looked like a
pretty nifty set up. Nice looking, and seemed to be easy to read and use. I've
never really seen anything quite like it, actually. And I am impressed.
I dunno. I tend to think "The more, the merrier" and wouldn't mind seeing
this on more server community boards. Though I have a feeling that we're going
to get tired of seeing people asking their mods to smack down Dark Tyger and
Bizbee.
--
Annie
To join the alt.games.everquest chat channel type /join serverwide.age:age
If you want to stayed joined, then after that type /autojoin serverwide.age:age
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Teapray-- 51 High Elf Cleric on Firiona Vie
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Teajust-- 9 Froglok Shaman on Morden Rasp
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If you can't figure out my email address, you're not supposed to write me.
42
<Ladilya...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>
>DJ wrote:
>> Welcome!
>>
>> Hope all of you from Erollisi Marr find it a useful resource. :)
>>
>> Dave
>
>
>Nice to see someone is polite. /wave to Dave
>
>BTW....no one is "forcing us" to use the gateway.
Always the 'gun to head' argument. Give it a rest.
By not making it explicit that you are using an unessary tool to
access a resource that is both free and readily available is at best
incomplete information, and at worst, especially when motivated by a
desire to increase audiences for advertising revenue is dishonest and
deceptive on par with the twits that that repackage and redistribute
freeware applications for money and don't tell you that you can
download it elsewhere for free.
>It is simply
>something in place for those who may not be able to access the usenet
>groups any other way. Many offices do block access to newsgroups even
>through programs like Outlook Express.
You are aware that when a company goes to the point of blocking
"access to newsgroups, even through programs like Outlook Express", it
is trying to enforce the pretty self evident policy that they do not
wish their computing resources to be used for that purpose.
It is a clear misuse of what access they did grant you, if you use it
to find 'gateways' and other alternative ways of accessing resources
they went out of their way to block.
>Funny thing is, I've used various other newgroups (never this one) and
>I don't seem to recall most of the users there being quite so "holier
>than thou"
Actually most usenet users tend to take a dim view of web forums, and
a very dim view when web forums are bridged onto usenet.
> Anyways, enjoy your newsgroup, this will most likely be my
>last looksie whether through a newgroup reader or the gateway.
To each their own.
Dark Tyger
>I wonder if he sees the irony in that response.
Probably not. That would require an IQ above that of a garden slug.
Dark Tyger
<Ladilya...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>Nice to see someone is polite.
Come in here acting sensible and be treated politely. The ones that
got flamed were the ones that came in acting like your stereotypical
"n00bs".
Ogmuk
Annie Benson-Lennaman wrote:
> I tried to register with the forum so I could post from there, but
> to be manually sent through, I don't know.
This may be related to our DNS problems. You can always request another
through this page:
/forum/register.php?$session[sessionurl]do=requestemail
Annie Benson-Lennaman wrote:
> Still, from what I could see and do, it looked like a pretty nifty set
> up. Nice looking, and seemed to be easy to read and use. I've never
> really seen anything quite like it, actually. And I am impressed.
Thank you. The changes I had to make to it were minimal. Gilby, the
person who wrote the script, should be receiving the credits ;)
Annie Benson-Lennaman wrote:
> I dunno. I tend to think "The more, the merrier" and wouldn't mind
> seeing this on more server community boards.
That is what I was thinking too. What's the point of having a newsgroup
without activity? :)
Annie Benson-Lennaman wrote:
> Though I have a feeling that we're going to get tired of seeing people
> asking their mods to smack down Dark Tyger and Bizbee.
I am already seeing this happening so when I'm done writing the new,
more detailed, announcement about this new feature, it won't allow
users to post here without having read the information within and
hopefully it will make them aware that we do not control the content of
the forum and that it's not being posted on our message board :)
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Submitted by: Ogmuk
Ogmuk
42 wrote:
> By not making it explicit that you are using an unessary tool to
> access a resource that is both free and readily available is at best
> incomplete information, and at worst, especially when motivated by a
> desire to increase audiences for advertising revenue is dishonest and
> deceptive on par with the twits that that repackage and redistribute
> freeware applications for money and don't tell you that you can
> download it elsewhere for free.
We are not a profit based organization, nor selling a product if you
didn't notice. However, hosting a forum of our size requires a
dedicated server. Message board software of better quality than PHP
costs money and none of them are one-time payments either. With the
banner at the top and an optional donation link we share the costs
precisely like we've done at ezboard which made us pay a load more for
a lot less.
If the platinum advertisement bothers you then don't visit our forum.
It's as easy as that. We don't get rich from them, nor does the banner
cover the monthly hosting costs. You should read up about the AdSense
program before complaining because Google's bots decided that EverQuest
related banners should be displayed on that majority of the pages, not
us.
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Submitted by: Ogmuk
Ogmuk
Ogmuk wrote:
> [...] better quality than PHP costs money
PHPBB
Ogmuk wrote:
> [...] displayed on that majority of the pages, not us.
the majority
Bite me. :)
Annie Ben-Len
Ogmuk wrote:
> This may be related to our DNS problems. You can always request
> another through this page:
> /forum/register.php?$session[sessionurl]do=requestemail
This did work, thanks. Though it told me that my original email
that I used was, well, in use. But I think I might know why. When I
go to any of my yahoo emails, I automatically dump everything out of my
bulk mail folder. I was a bit more careful with the second one, and
indeed, found the comfirmation email there. So, I guess the real
question is... Do you know that the Yahoo bot considers you to be a
spammer?
Ogmuk wrote:
> That is what I was thinking too. What's the point of having a
> newsgroup without activity? :)
I have to admit, I was bit startled to see the statement that most
usenet users have a dim view of web forum and of bridges. Reall, I had
no idea, and I've been a long time user of both. Oh, wait. I forgot,
42 doesn't really speak for all of us.
Ogmuk wrote:
> I am already seeing this happening so when I'm done writing the new,
> more detailed, announcement about this new feature, it won't allow
> users to post here without having read the information within and
> hopefully it will make them aware that we do not control the content
> of the forum and that it's not being posted on our message board :)
Yes, that probably would be a good idea. But you know, some will
just click through the explaination to get to the meat. There's not
much that can be done about that, I'm afraid. Heck, I have to admit
that I didn't really read the ToS to join this forum (I hope it just
boiled down to some varient of "Be civil and don't leave your IQ at the
door). And 42 is sorta right in one regard, IMHO; usenet does tend to
have a different feel to it than web forums. A.G.E.
(alt.games.everquest) in particular has a pretty vocal group of
regulars who will gladly jump on forum posters with both feet for
making what might seem to be trivial error. As you might have noticed.
(And will continue to. Word of advice, ask your people to not
top-post. Trust me on this).
Anyways, I for one welcome the new posters, even if it turns out that I
am in the vast majority. Maybe I'll start a baby alt on EM so I have a
legitimate reason to stomp over your forums.
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Annie Ben-Len
Annie Ben-Len wrote:
>
> Anyways, I for one welcome the new posters, even if it turns out that
> I am in the vast majority. Maybe I'll start a baby alt on EM so I
> have a legitimate reason to stomp over your forums.
Minority! WTF, majority? That totally makes no sense.
And oh... don't use any of the formating options such as font, size,
color, or bold and underlining. Anyone. Really... we hate that.
Ogmuk
Annie Ben-Len wrote:
> So, I guess the real question is... Do you know that the Yahoo bot
> considers you to be a spammer?
That's correct. Sadly Yahoo considers every vbulletin forum a spammer.
I won't be surprised if other message boards suffer from this same
problem. I'll search through vbulletin.com to see if anyone has thought
of a way around this.
Annie Ben-Len wrote:
> Yes, that probably would be a good idea. But you know, some will just
> click through the explaination to get to the meat. There's not much
> that can be done about that, I'm afraid. Heck, I have to admit that
> I didn't really read the ToS to join this forum (I hope it just
> boiled down to some varient of "Be civil and don't leave your IQ at
> the door).
Very true, but I don't think that there's much difference between
someone new to newsgroups finding it in his/her Outlook Express while
totally unaware of the Usenet guidelines and those finding it here. We
do offer (or will, rather) a lot of information about correct usage, on
the contrary to Outlook Express ;)
> Maybe I'll start a baby alt on EM so I have a legitimate reason to
> stomp over your forums.
You're welcome there/here either way :)
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Submitted by: Ogmuk
Ogmuk
bizbee wrote:
> Offhand, my point right now would be that you appear to be a clueless
> idiot. Go back to the subject at hand here. You said they didn't have
> or couldn't download newsreaders... now you're clearly changing the
> subject.
Me the idiot? Where did I mention that they couldn't download
newsreaders? I was talking about installation rights in case you
already forgot. And it was merely one of the many examples why
bridges/gateways can be useful.
And the subject at hand here is me saying hello to the newsgroup while
you seem to prefer the topic whether we need the feature on our board
or not. If it was a discussion we really wouldn't need your input and
opinion on that matter.
42
<Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>
>42 wrote:
>> By not making it explicit that you are using an unessary tool to
>> access a resource that is both free and readily available is at best
>> incomplete information, and at worst, especially when motivated by a
>> desire to increase audiences for advertising revenue is dishonest and
>> deceptive on par with the twits that that repackage and redistribute
>> freeware applications for money and don't tell you that you can
>> download it elsewhere for free.
>
>We are not a profit based organization, nor selling a product if you
>didn't notice. However, hosting a forum of our size requires a
>dedicated server. Message board software of better quality than PHP
>costs money and none of them are one-time payments either. With the
>banner at the top and an optional donation link we share the costs
>precisely like we've done at ezboard which made us pay a load more for
>a lot less.
And usenet is comparatively free, and the experience of a news reader
app is the difference between hotmail and and a real mail client... no
comparison really.
The real question is *why* do you have such a busy site if the primary
objective of this page is redundantly giving access to something
that's already free and readily accessible to the vast majority of
people that should have it. People at work where its blocked don't
count... they're already misappropriating resourcs...
>If the platinum advertisement bothers you then don't visit our forum.
>It's as easy as that. We don't get rich from them, nor does the banner
>cover the monthly hosting costs. You should read up about the AdSense
>program before complaining because Google's bots decided that EverQuest
>related banners should be displayed on that majority of the pages, not
>us.
This may not be true with the particular program you are affliated
with but normally you can specify that certain specific ads are
inappropriate on your site... be they competitors ads for example, or
ads that say offensive to your sites objective (breast milk
substitutes on a site dedicated to 'breast feeding is good for your
baby' ... or... inducements to perform bannable offenses in the game
the site is dedicated to.
Googles terms are based on maxim 'don't be evil'... I'd be surprised
if they are forcing ads on you that you actively object to. I've
always found them a pleasure to deal with.
Ladilya
bizbee wrote:
>
> imagine that... what, do they actually expect you to <work> for the
> money they pay you?
Actually.....here on planet earth where I live in the good old USA, I'm
given 2 15 minute breaks and an hour for lunch for every 8 hours of
work I perform. And during those 1.5 hours per day I am free to do
anything I would like so long as it's not illegal or immoral. That
does BTW include surfing messageboards/newsgroups/reading email.
On a personal note, my company doesn't block any of my access, so I
wasn't speaking for myself. I use gigabyte at home and at the office
to read my newsgroups.
/shrug I said I wouldn't come back, but I forgot to unsubscribe from
the thread on the boards, so it lets me know whenever someone responds
and well, I love Ogmuk to death so I had to come see what he said :)
Unsubscribing now though because it seems some people are just bound
and determined to be rude to any/everyone. Personally, there are
enough random jerks in the world that I have to deal with to make me
involve myself with more intentionally.
Ladilya
EMarr
Lurkerr
Bizbee wrote:
> So, is that what you're describing yourself as?
Wow I insulted you and you use the old "quitting talking about
yourself" comeback. I used to do that a lot... when I was in 2nd grade.
Bizbee wrote:
> No one here (at least no one with a clue) has any problem with
> newcomers... that is, newcomers that know what the fuck they're
> doing,
> how to act, and don't cop an attitude when people say "please don't
> do
> that."
Oh I'm sorry but could you show me where that happened. All I saw was a
person making a post trying to introduce people to a new community.
Rather than welcoming or supportive replies I saw some people trying to
be cool.
Bizbee wrote:
> This newsgroup is probably the best source of general
> information you can find, primarily because there are people ranging
> from <thinking> about playing to people who have problems and are
> trying to <quit> playing.
Yeah these forums where we come from.. I don't think I've ever seen a
post where someone was thinking of joining the game. Come to think of
it, I don't think I've ever heard of people retiring from EQ either.
You do have a truly unique community here. I can see that you range
from people who suck (for instance you and 42) to some nice people that
welcomed the newcomers.
Bizbee wrote:
> Taking on some kind of patronizing "you are
> all assnuggets" attitude just labels you as a self-important prig,
> and
> will dump you into killfiles like you've never seen I may suggest you
> try growing a little hair on it before you post again. Apparently you
> have enough sense to at least post properly, but you're attitude will
> wind up with someone around here handing you your fat ass.
I never said that everyone here was an ass nugget. My post was to point
out that Dave was the first one to post a nice greeting.
Self-important? I sure am. Killfiles? Don't bring a knife to a
fistfight pussy. I don't know what percentage you Bizbee's make up in
this place but I'm sure I'll find out.
Not going anywhere until I'm bored, banned or you verbally kick my ass.
Zelgadis
Ulujain wrote:
> Zelgadis wrote:
>
> > Actually, unless the poster is completely illiterate or otherwise
> plain
> > out stupid, Ogmuk has put up a compilation of DOs and DON'Ts for
> people
> > to read regarding using Usenet here.
> >
>
> news.newusers
> http://tinyurl.com/2dqjq
>
>
> --
> Peter aka Ulujain
> http://www.ulujain.org/
I knew that everyone's beloved cyber stalker would post towards me at
some point sooner or later.
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42
<Ladilya...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>Actually.....here on planet earth where I live in the good old USA, I'm
>given 2 15 minute breaks and an hour for lunch for every 8 hours of
>work I perform. And during those 1.5 hours per day I am free to do
>anything I would like so long as it's not illegal or immoral. That
>does BTW include surfing messageboards/newsgroups/reading email.
>On a personal note, my company doesn't block any of my access, so I
>wasn't speaking for myself. I use gigabyte at home and at the office
>to read my newsgroups.
Well then you don't need a gateway do you...
And if they did block access then using a gateway to circumvent the
block, even on your break, is certainly not 'ok'.
Lurkerr
42 wrote:
> And if they did block access then using a gateway to circumvent the
> block, even on your break, is certainly not 'ok'.
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Dark Tyger
<Ladilya...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>Actually.....here on planet earth where I live in the good old USA, I'm
>given 2 15 minute breaks and an hour for lunch for every 8 hours of
>work I perform. And during those 1.5 hours per day I am free to do
>anything I would like so long as it's not illegal or immoral. That
>does BTW include surfing messageboards/newsgroups/reading email.
That's you. Many, many workplaces that have internet access restrict
use of their bandwidth. Using company resources for leisure tends to
be a sure-fire way of getting fired if you're not given permission. If
Usenet access is blocked through normal means, then I'd say that's a
clear-cut hint that they're not giving you permission and, thus, using
gateways to get around that block is wrong.
Ulujain
> > And if E Marr peeps get themselves a real newsreader they can post to
> > Usenet the *proper* way.
>
> Not everyone can install a newsreader for various different reasons and
> since when are gateways an improper way to post messages to a
> newsgroup?
A lot of people on Usenet seem to think they're lame. Especially in
the CSS/HTML groups I troll, err, frequent.
Getting "normal" access to Usenet isn't hard. Plus, they get to see
where flame wars online were invented =)
Celaeno
>The real question is *why* do you have such a busy site if the primary
>objective of this page is redundantly giving access to something
>that's already free and readily accessible to the vast majority of
>people that should have it. People at work where its blocked don't
>count... they're already misappropriating resourcs...
The primary objective of the page is to be the EMarr forums. Ogmuk
likes a.g.e, Ogmuk decides to share a.g.e with the EMarr community
members that are unaware of it, and invariably people start using it
and forget (despite many, many mentions) that the one section of the
page that constitutes the a.g.e feed is NOT part of their usual little
playground, and come across as clueless when they post.
Lurkerr is a weirdass there too, incidentally.
Cel
Retired druids & sundry
Ben Sisson
(if that IS his real name) conspiratorially whispered:
>On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:52:25 -0600, Ogmuk
><Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>
>>Dark Tyger wrote:
>>> How nice. You do realize that anybody who wanted to could participate
>>> before with half a brain to figure out how to use a news reader...
>>
>>Weeeee, don't have we a collection of bright and kind people in here.
>>To repeat what I already said: not everyone can install a newsreader.
>>Not because they are dumb idiots, like you assumed, but for example
>>when the administrator has disabled installation of software on their
>>computer at work.
>
>Google, then.
It's debatable whether google is any better than a gateway.
Actually for all intents and purposes google IS a gateway other than
the fact they are archiving everything right in shop (almost
everything anyways). And they do some pretty shady things themselves,
including weighting search results according to how much they are
being paid to advertise.
--
Aughra: Where is he?
Jen: He's dead.
Aughra: Could be anywhere, then.
Ben Sisson
<Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> (if that IS his real
name) conspiratorially whispered:
>I've been lurking around this group for a while myself but from today
>the whole Erollisi Marr community can participate in the discussions
>here. Welcome peeps ;)
Welcome to usenet. You probably noticed usenet tends to be inhabited
by a rather hardnosed cynical bunch.
Personally I don't give a crap how someone accesses usenet. Gateway,
OE, proper newsreader... knock yourself out! Use whatever makes you
the most comfortable. Just make sure to follow usenet's established
etiquette and avoid its taboos and no one will even notice, other than
the sig.
Dark Tyger
<ilkhanik...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>Google, then.
>
>It's debatable whether google is any better than a gateway.
Marginally, IMO. Not much, but any little bit counts.
Wulfbones
<dark...@somewhere.net> wrote:
<snip>
>
>And there are plenty more ISPs that do. AOHell even offers newsgroups.
>In fact, an ISP with no newsgroup access whatsoever is a rarity these
>days.
My ISP has news groups but not enough of what I want so I subscribe to
News Guy at http://newsguy.com/. They host over 30,000 news groups
and a lot of little ISP's buy news service from them. Having an ISP
that doesn't carry newsgroups or not enough is not an excuse.
Hrolff Wulfbonesson 31 FV
Ubuar Elementmeister 33 FV
Wulfbones
42
<Lurkerr...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>
>42 wrote:
>> And if they did block access then using a gateway to circumvent the
>> block, even on your break, is certainly not 'ok'.
>But they didn't?
Nice uncreative use of snippage to try to make a point.
Re-read my post; its the first line. You can do it... bah... you
probably can't... here I'll quote it for you.
Nekofrog
<Richar...@netscape.net> wrote:
>"Graefaxe" <Grae...@hotZZZmail.com> wrote in
>news:cf4f4818718c490c...@news.teranews.com:
>
>>
>> "Zelgadis" <Zelgadi...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote in
>> message news:Zelgadi...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com...
>>:
>>: Actually, unless the poster is completely illiterate or otherwise
>>: plain out stupid, Ogmuk has put up a compilation of DOs and DON'Ts
>>: for people to read regarding using Usenet here.
>>:
>>
>> Such as, "Do quote from the message that you are replying?" To which
>> poster are you referring? What did he say?
>>
>
>It's likely to be sort of like when AOL was unleashed onto Usenet for a
>while.
>
>I PMed Ogmuk asking him to please add in a few of the more or less
>standard posting rules used in this newsgroup.
I always thought that WebTV had a far more adverse affect than AOL
did. Sure, there were a lot more AOL users, but WebTV users were one
thousand times more inept, and 99% of them included humungously absurd
amounts of HTML in their posts (wavs, jpgs, gifs, mp3s, midis, etc).
Sad thing? They still do it, years later.
Ulujain
>
> I knew that everyone's beloved cyber stalker would post towards me at
> some point sooner or later.
I was trying to be helpful, believe it or not.
Lewzephyr
bizbee <tub...@earthlink.net> :
>On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:46:32 -0600 in
><Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com>, Ogmuk
><Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> graced the world with
>this thought:
>
>>
>>Ulujain wrote:
>>> And if E Marr peeps get themselves a real newsreader they can post to
>>> Usenet the *proper* way.
>>
>>Not everyone can install a newsreader for various different reasons
>
>you took a poll?
>
>hmmm... none of these people have OE or Outlook?
Hmm... hey biz... does Outlook have a newsreader? I thought it just
used OE for newsreading... Just curious, because i have never
actualy heard anyone using Outlook for newsreader. (thats not to say
it isnt true, im just curious).
Zelgadis
Ulujain wrote:
>
>
> I was trying to be helpful, believe it or not.
>
It's just that the thing was brought up several times in the past. Ah
well. Live and learn.
Lewzephyr
understand Ogmuk <Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> :
>
>I've been lurking around this group for a while myself but from today
>the whole Erollisi Marr community can participate in the discussions
>here. Welcome peeps ;)
>
>__________________________________________________________
>Submitted by: Ogmuk
>This message was submitted through the Erollisi Marr Forum
Welcome... and good luck
ok, can somone please tell me why there is an issue with them posting
via their forums? As long as they are not posting binaries etc...
whats the big friggin deal?
yes please spell it out for me if you would, I honestly dont get the
issue and am eager to understand what all the huff is about..
Kingsmythe
> It's debatable whether google is any better than a gateway.
>
> Actually for all intents and purposes google IS a gateway other than
> the fact they are archiving everything right in shop (almost
> everything anyways). And they do some pretty shady things themselves,
> including weighting search results according to how much they are
> being paid to advertise.
O_o
Google's doing that? Now I'm confused. I just got done reading so many
articles about how Yahoo's new engine wasn't as good as Google's because
Yahoo was doing that (sorta), and Google wasn't.
Graeme Faelban
news:ap0i50h1antrren34...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:21:32 GMT, 42 <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I wonder if he sees the irony in that response.
>
> Probably not. That would require an IQ above that of a garden slug.
>
He's just one of the local Emarr trolls, harmless really.
--
On Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr>
Elder Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 65 seasons
Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons
Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 26 seasons
Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons
Graeme Faelban
news:Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com:
> Annie Benson-Lennaman wrote:
>> Though I have a feeling that we're going to get tired of seeing people
>> asking their mods to smack down Dark Tyger and Bizbee.
> I am already seeing this happening so when I'm done writing the new,
> more detailed, announcement about this new feature, it won't allow
> users to post here without having read the information within and
> hopefully it will make them aware that we do not control the content of
> the forum and that it's not being posted on our message board :)
>
Lol, they will likely pay as much attention to that as the do to the EULA
when they start up EQ.
Graeme Faelban
news:g8aj50t8mu0ga7bir...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:43:50 -0600, I needed a Bable Fish to
> understand Ogmuk <Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> :
>
>>
>>I've been lurking around this group for a while myself but from today
>>the whole Erollisi Marr community can participate in the discussions
>>here. Welcome peeps ;)
>
> Welcome... and good luck
>
>
> ok, can somone please tell me why there is an issue with them posting
> via their forums? As long as they are not posting binaries etc...
> whats the big friggin deal?
>
> yes please spell it out for me if you would, I honestly dont get the
> issue and am eager to understand what all the huff is about..
>
Some people tend to look down on it, can't tell you why, other than, the
fact that they will be used to posting on the EMarr forums, and not know
the norms of posting to usenet. Not all of them, but, many. In addition
to that, we will get a sudden influx of the dregs of the EMarr forums in
addition to the many nice, friendly types.
Dark Tyger
wrote:
>I always thought that WebTV had a far more adverse affect than AOL
>did. Sure, there were a lot more AOL users, but WebTV users were one
>thousand times more inept, and 99% of them included humungously absurd
>amounts of HTML in their posts (wavs, jpgs, gifs, mp3s, midis, etc).
>Sad thing? They still do it, years later.
Yeah, but AOHell was around LOOOONG before WebTV was ever even dreamt
of. Therefore, AOHell's bad reputation is kinda steeped in tradition
of AOL bashing.
Dark Tyger
<Richar...@netscape.net> wrote:
>Dark Tyger <dark...@somewhere.net> wrote in
>news:ap0i50h1antrren34...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:21:32 GMT, 42 <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I wonder if he sees the irony in that response.
>>
>> Probably not. That would require an IQ above that of a garden slug.
>>
>
>He's just one of the local Emarr trolls, harmless really.
*updates the entry:* Mostly harmless.
^_^
Valleycrest
Considering that he just served bizbee a nice big sh*tburger I would
say he's not that harmless.
__________________________________________________________
Submitted by: Valleycrest
Dark Tyger
<Valleycre...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>> On 18 Mar 2004 15:28:21 GMT, Graeme Faelban
>> <Richar...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Dark Tyger <dark...@somewhere.net> wrote in
>> >news:ap0i50h1antrren34...@4ax.com:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:21:32 GMT, 42 <us...@example.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I wonder if he sees the irony in that response.
>> >>
>> >> Probably not. That would require an IQ above that of a garden
>> slug.
>> >>
>> >
>> >He's just one of the local Emarr trolls, harmless really.
>>
>> *updates the entry:* Mostly harmless.
>
>
>Considering that he just served bizbee a nice big sh*tburger I would
>say he's not that harmless.
Methinks your opinion of his actions is biased and thus over-inflated.
And if you didn't get the "mostly harmless" reference, you need to
leave and start reading books now. :p
Evyla
Ahhh. The obligatory "We are better because we use a newsreader and you
use a web browser" posts. How typical. Not a real loss tho. For a few
years now, the only thing I've found newsgroups to be good for is
downloading porn.
If you want information, join a mailing list. If you want easy access,
join a web based forum. If you want asswit comments about how someone
is better than you, join a newsgroup. /shrug
I'm out.
__________________________________________________________
Submitted by: Evyla
Rumbledor
news:Lurkerr...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com:
<snip>
>
> I never said that everyone here was an ass nugget. My post was to point
> out that Dave was the first one to post a nice greeting.
You said, "Finally someone who isn't an ass nugget." I now understand
what you meant, but surely you can see how that might be construed as a
generalization, correct or not.
> Self-important? I sure am. Killfiles? Don't bring a knife to a
> fistfight pussy.
>
Don't bring a knife to a fistfight? Um, why not?
If I may say, you're not exactly playing the diplomatic emissary on
behalf of the folks at Erollisi.
First impressions are important. ;)
--
Rumble
Lewzephyr
understand Evyla <Evyla....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> :
>
>Ahhh. The obligatory "We are better because we use a newsreader and you
>use a web browser" posts. How typical. Not a real loss tho. For a few
>years now, the only thing I've found newsgroups to be good for is
>downloading porn.
GASP.... don't forget the most recently released games from such great
groups as DEViANCE, Razor 1911, iMMERSiON, and the list goes on...
>
>If you want information, join a mailing list. If you want easy access,
>join a web based forum. If you want asswit comments about how someone
>is better than you, join a newsgroup. /shrug
much truth to this... but really... asswit comments come where ever
you go. Web based forums, got to monkly business and you will get an
ear full... usenet, pick any forum... they are there....
good hunting
42
wrote:
afaik you are right. Outlook uses OE.
Valleycrest
> > Self-important? I sure am. Killfiles? Don't bring a knife to a
> > fistfight pussy.
> >
>
> Don't bring a knife to a fistfight? Um, why not?
Because it makes you a pussy. I think he made it quite clear.
__________________________________________________________
Submitted by: Valleycrest
Valleycrest
Of course my opinion is bias. I don't need coolguy123 on usenet to
point out obvious things. I read quite enough books, thank you.
Methinks that if I read any more books that I'll start using words like
methinks. Methinks that will make me look really smart.
Rumbledor
news:Valleycre...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com:
Fine. Die a big tough guy. Seems to defeat the purpose if you ask me, but
I'm not gonna further debate a figure of speech.
Honestly, you guys really aren't representing your originating forum very
well here. Was it your intent to set up access to a.g.e. so you could
jump at any opportunity to fight that came along? Were you not getting
enough of that at home?
I'll be completely honest. EMarr may have a lot of great people for all I
know. However, I've seen my share of web forums, and sadly the majority
were comprised primarily of children hiding behind their anonymity with
big ol' chips on their shoulders. You're only task here to be accepted is
prove that you're not that kind of group. If you have not interest in
acceptance, then why the hell are you here to begin with?
Above all, don't dump shit in someone else's yard.
--
Rumble
Zelgadis
Rumbledor wrote:
> I'll be completely honest. EMarr may have a lot of great people for
> all I
> know. However, I've seen my share of web forums, and sadly the
> majority
> were comprised primarily of children hiding behind their anonymity
> with
> big ol' chips on their shoulders. You're only task here to be
> accepted is
> prove that you're not that kind of group. If you have not interest in
> acceptance, then why the hell are you here to begin with?
>
> Above all, don't dump shit in someone else's yard.
>
> --
> Rumble
out at people from our forums, they won't throw any back. But as we've
been told, that's what thick skin is for (plus leet damage shields!).
Lurkerr does like to go around posting weird one/two liners around the
boards, but if he's a smart guy he won't do that with the gateway to
here. Especially since this doesn't work like a message board.
When I discovered what sort of place this was I knew that it wouldn't
be the same place I'm used to dancing around, as I would expect most or
all of the poeple to be adults in a job of some sort as opposed to a
normal forum. A completely new and different challange to deal with.
Not that I'm parading around looking for a fight here.
I'm sure that Ogmuk added this Gateway to our forum to broaden our area
for EQ chat, not to dump trash into other people's areas.
__________________________________________________________
Submitted by: Zelgadis
Knight37
news:Xns94B08A26E9A5ER...@216.148.227.77:
> Valleycrest <Valleycre...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote
>> Because it makes you a pussy. I think he made it quite clear.
>
> Fine. Die a big tough guy. Seems to defeat the purpose if you ask me,
> but I'm not gonna further debate a figure of speech.
>
> Honestly, you guys really aren't representing your originating forum
> very well here. Was it your intent to set up access to a.g.e. so you
> could jump at any opportunity to fight that came along? Were you not
> getting enough of that at home?
>
> I'll be completely honest. EMarr may have a lot of great people for
> all I know. However, I've seen my share of web forums, and sadly the
> majority were comprised primarily of children hiding behind their
> anonymity with big ol' chips on their shoulders. You're only task here
> to be accepted is prove that you're not that kind of group. If you
> have not interest in acceptance, then why the hell are you here to
> begin with?
>
> Above all, don't dump shit in someone else's yard.
>
Seems to me like they're giving as good as they get. It's not like they
were welcomed here with open arms.
Knight37
Valleycrest
We posted here originally with the best of intentions. Some received
us very nicely, others decided that it was there obligation to put us
in our place. We thanked those that welcomed us greatly and defended
ourselves against those who attacked us. We weren't dumping shit
anywhere till we were graced with the assinine responses of a few
select individuals. I know you're trying to continue your crusade
against web forums, but I fail to see how you came to the conclusion
that the majority of web forum posters are children. Are you telling
me this is not the case on the newsgroup?
Ben Sisson
that IS his real name) conspiratorially whispered:
WebTV users have a weird tendency towards kookiness too, that AOL
users don't have. If its a totally clueless post, your first instinct
is AOL. If its a totally clueless post that blames government
conspiracies or alien mind control, its probably WebTV.
They infest science newsgroups for some reason.
--
Aughra: Where is he?
Jen: He's dead.
Aughra: Could be anywhere, then.
Rumbledor
news:Zelgadi...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com:
>
> Rumbledor wrote:
< snip >
>>
>> Above all, don't dump shit in someone else's yard.
>>
>
> I'm sure that Ogmuk added this Gateway to our forum to broaden our area
> for EQ chat, not to dump trash into other people's areas.
>
I'm sure you're right. I didn't mean it that way actually. My reference
was more a reflection of my own philosophy on the subject. If I venture
into a new environment - someone else's house, if you will - such as has
happened here, I am going to do my best not to bristle at every comment
that could be taken negatively - don a thick skin, as they say. I would
try to contribute without presumption or pretense. At some point, people
would come to at least understand me as I, in turn, would come to
understand them.
So, in the interest of clarification, let me rephrase the prevous by
saying don't bring negative attitudes into someone else's forums. No, we
don't own a.g.e. or anything, but it is comprised of us and has been for
quite some time. We have a vested interest in promoting its community
atmosphere and potential for providing assistance with all things EQ and
even some not.
With any luck one day the folks of EMarr Forums will enjoy that
distinction too. Here's to hoping that is the case.
--
Rumble
Dark Tyger
<Evyla....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>For a few
>years now, the only thing I've found newsgroups to be good for is
>downloading porn.
If that's all you look for, sure, that's all they're good for. Go wank
off elsewhere if you don't like newsgroups that much.
Zelgadis
myself, so far. We may have a long way ahead of us before we can fully
understand one another between worlds. I'm trying to learn the ways
here, though! XD
Dark Tyger
<Evyla....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
Oh, by the way:
>If you want information, join a mailing list.
And spam. Don't forget the spam!
>If you want easy access,
>join a web based forum.
Easy access? Hmm... *clicks list groups* *clicks search and enters a
keyword* *clicks subscribe* There! Access! Wow, that was hard!
>If you want asswit comments about how someone
>is better than you, join a newsgroup. /shrug
If you think web forums are any less full of trolls and asswipes,
you're only deluding yourself. In fact, I've seen web forums to be
worse, especially when the moderators are friends with the trolls.
Look who's criticizing "we're better than you" attitudes. Fucking
hypocrite.
Dark Tyger
<Valleycre...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>> Methinks your opinion of his actions is biased and thus
>> over-inflated.
>> And if you didn't get the "mostly harmless" reference, you need to
>> leave and start reading books now. :p
>
>
>Of course my opinion is bias. I don't need coolguy123 on usenet to
>point out obvious things. I read quite enough books, thank you.
>Methinks that if I read any more books that I'll start using words like
>methinks. Methinks that will make me look really smart.
*rolls his eyes* Methinks you need to get the stick out of your ass
and learn this thing called "humor". Do you honestly think I use
"methinks" in normal conversation?
Knight37
news:Xns94B090EA01E9CR...@204.127.199.17:
> So, in the interest of clarification, let me rephrase the prevous by
> saying don't bring negative attitudes into someone else's forums.
Because we have enough negative attitudes in here already.
Knight37
Dark Tyger
<Valleycre...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>> > Self-important? I sure am. Killfiles? Don't bring a knife to a
>> > fistfight pussy.
>> >
>>
>> Don't bring a knife to a fistfight? Um, why not?
>
>
>Because it makes you a pussy. I think he made it quite clear.
If I'm in a fight, I fight to win. Why cripple myself by not using
whatever resources are at my disposal? Better a pussy than an idiot
with a broken face. I'll never walk again, but, dammit, I have my
pride! Moron.
Dark Tyger
>Seems to me like they're giving as good as they get. It's not like they
>were welcomed here with open arms.
Those that come in acting intelligent are. Those that come in acting
like idiots are treated like idiots. Those that come in spewing shit
are treated like common trolls. They're getting as good as they give.
Lurkerr
Rumbledor wrote:
> Fine. Die a big tough guy. Seems to defeat the purpose if you ask me,
> but
>
>
> I'm not gonna further debate a figure of speech.
>
> Honestly, you guys really aren't representing your originating forum
> very
> well here. Was it your intent to set up access to a.g.e. so you could
> jump at any opportunity to fight that came along? Were you not
> getting
> enough of that at home?
>
> I'll be completely honest. EMarr may have a lot of great people for
> all I
> know. However, I've seen my share of web forums, and sadly the
> majority
> were comprised primarily of children hiding behind their anonymity
> with
> big ol' chips on their shoulders. You're only task here to be
> accepted is
> prove that you're not that kind of group. If you have not interest in
> acceptance, then why the hell are you here to begin with?
>
> Above all, don't dump shit in someone else's yard.
>
> --
> Rumble
Representing forums well? Refer to the beginning of this thread. Now
that's funny.
I don't speak for everyone but I don't really give a rats ass about
your acceptance. I'm gonna post whatever the hell I feel like posting
and you can then accept me.
__________________________________________________________
Submitted by: Lurkerr
Lurkerr
Dark Tyger wrote:
> *rolls his eyes* Methinks you need to get the stick out of your ass
> and learn this thing called "humor". Do you honestly think I use
> "methinks" in normal conversation?
>
scares me.
__________________________________________________________
Submitted by: Lurkerr
Lurkerr
Dark Tyger wrote:
> Those that come in acting intelligent are. Those that come in acting
> like idiots are treated like idiots. Those that come in spewing shit
> are treated like common trolls. They're getting as good as they give.
>
opened. You weren't being helpful or even useful in about half of those
posts. I think YOU are the troll. Look how many posts you make.
__________________________________________________________
Submitted by: Lurkerr
Rumbledor
130.133.1.4:
< snip >
>
> Seems to me like they're giving as good as they get. It's not like they
> were welcomed here with open arms.
>
...and you should expect to be because...? I'm just telling it like it is.
If you enter an unfamiliar but well-established environment, you should
pretty much expect to take great care in how you are perceived. I know I
would.
You're still ignoring the reasons you have been met with some cynicism in
the first place and they are valid. Influxes of this nature in the past
have not necessarily produced stellar results.
It's just unrealistic to expect people to always give you the benefit of
the doubt right up front. I just hope the good ones stay and the bad ones
don't. :)
--
Rumble
Dark Tyger
<Lurkerr...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>
>Dark Tyger wrote:
>> Those that come in acting intelligent are. Those that come in acting
>> like idiots are treated like idiots. Those that come in spewing shit
>> are treated like common trolls. They're getting as good as they give.
>>
>
>When I started looking around here, I saw YOU in almost every thread I
>opened. You weren't being helpful or even useful in about half of those
>posts. I think YOU are the troll. Look how many posts you make.
You obviously have no clue what a troll is. A troll isn't someone who
makes a lot of posts. A troll isn't someone who flames people for
being idiots. A troll is someone who acts like an idiot intending to
start fights.
If you've never seen me being helpful, you haven't been paying
attention. That, or you're real good at your selective filtering of
what you read.
Rumbledor
news:Valleycre...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com:
< snip >
>
> We posted here originally with the best of intentions. Some received
> us very nicely, others decided that it was there obligation to put us
> in our place. We thanked those that welcomed us greatly and defended
> ourselves against those who attacked us. We weren't dumping shit
> anywhere till we were graced with the assinine responses of a few
> select individuals. I know you're trying to continue your crusade
> against web forums, but I fail to see how you came to the conclusion
> that the majority of web forum posters are children. Are you telling
> me this is not the case on the newsgroup?
>
Really, I have no crusade against web forums. I just know what it's meant
in the past, and I know what my experiences in other web forums have been
like. Rest assured that most here will receive you well enough though
some may also be a little quick on the trigger sometimes until they get
to know you a little. Surely that's to be expected? If not, then I wish
you the best in your continued search for that utopic segment of society
you require. ;)
--
Rumble
Graeme Faelban
news:je0k50lark4ul3lu6...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:28:53 -0600, Ogmuk
> <Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>
>>Me the idiot? Where did I mention that they couldn't download
>>newsreaders? I was talking about installation rights in case you
>>already forgot. And it was merely one of the many examples why
>>bridges/gateways can be useful.
> Installation rights? Eh?
>
For those viewing from work.
--
On Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr>
Elder Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 65 seasons
Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons
Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 26 seasons
Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons
Rumbledor
news:Lurkerr...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com:
>
That's one of the primary points I've been trying to make. If you don't
care, then why are you here? Do you take some kind of pleasure in
offending people or being quick to take offense. *You* look at the
beginning of this thread and remember what *horrible* things were said to
send you off in a tizzy. You're no less at fault here. Sure, you weren't
given the benefit of the doubt, yet you immediately presented yourself as
someone who didn't deserve it anyway.
Please pardon some for being cynical, but they do have reason to be so.
Web forums are notorious for being nothing more than virtual playpens. I
do hope EMarr doesn't fall into that category. That said, *you're* the
only ones who can prove that.
--
Rumble
Zelgadis
Rumbledor wrote:
> Really, I have no crusade against web forums. I just know what it's
> meant
> in the past, and I know what my experiences in other web forums have
> been
> like. Rest assured that most here will receive you well enough though
> some may also be a little quick on the trigger sometimes until they
> get
> to know you a little. Surely that's to be expected? If not, then I
> wish
> you the best in your continued search for that utopic segment of
> society
> you require. ;)
>
> --
> Rumble
you all. =( (Lighten up and be the better man, Lurkerr!)
And there's a proper way to chat with you all here? ><
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Submitted by: Zelgadis
Valleycrest
'Dark Tyger' wrote:
> >> Methinks your opinion of his actions is biased and thus
> >> over-inflated.
> >> And if you didn't get the "mostly harmless" reference, you need
> to
> >> leave and start reading books now. :p
> >
> >
> >Of course my opinion is bias. I don't need coolguy123 on usenet to
> >point out obvious things. I read quite enough books, thank you.
> >Methinks that if I read any more books that I'll start using words
> like
> >methinks. Methinks that will make me look really smart.
>
> and learn this thing called "humor". Do you honestly think I use
> "methinks" in normal conversation?
I'm sorry, I must have totally missed your attempt at humor. In
actuality, I don't think you were really trying to be funny.
'Dark Tyger' wrote:
> If I'm in a fight, I fight to win. Why cripple myself by not using
> whatever resources are at my disposal? Better a pussy than an idiot
> with a broken face. I'll never walk again, but, dammit, I have my
> pride! Moron.
Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that you hate fair fights.
Graeme Faelban
news:Zelgadi...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com:
>
> Rumbledor wrote:
>> Really, I have no crusade against web forums. I just know what it's
>> meant in the past, and I know what my experiences in other web forums
>> have been like. Rest assured that most here will receive you well
>> enough though some may also be a little quick on the trigger sometimes
>> until they get to know you a little. Surely that's to be expected? If
>> not, then I wish you the best in your continued search for that utopic
>> segment of society you require. ;)
>
> My only regret is that we've unleashed the horror that is Lurkerr upon
> you all. =( (Lighten up and be the better man, Lurkerr!)
>
> And there's a proper way to chat with you all here? ><
>
Nothing that is not easily fixed with two keypresses.
Dark Tyger
<palin...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:43:50 -0600, Ogmuk <Ogmuk....@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>I've been lurking around this group for a while myself but from today
>>the whole Erollisi Marr community can participate in the discussions
>>here. Welcome peeps ;)
>
>Shouldn't WE be welcoming YOU?
Yes, EMarr folks, there's the other reason for the chilly reception.
Your "spokesman" came here acting as if we were coming to you guys,
not vice versa.
Valleycrest
'Rumbledor' wrote:
> Really, I have no crusade against web forums. I just know what it's
> meant
> in the past, and I know what my experiences in other web forums have
> been
> like. Rest assured that most here will receive you well enough
> though
> some may also be a little quick on the trigger sometimes until they
> get
> to know you a little. Surely that's to be expected? If not, then I
> wish
> you the best in your continued search for that utopic segment of
> society
> you require. ;)
Well, it's to be expected that some people who are coming from a web
forum would take exception to your comment about most of us being
children. I can at least understand and respect what you say because
you don't come across to me as a prick. I appreciate that.
Zelgadis
Rumbledor wrote:
> That's one of the primary points I've been trying to make. If you
> don't
> care, then why are you here? Do you take some kind of pleasure in
> offending people or being quick to take offense. *You* look at the
> beginning of this thread and remember what *horrible* things were
> said to
> send you off in a tizzy. You're no less at fault here. Sure, you
> weren't
> given the benefit of the doubt, yet you immediately presented
> yourself as
> someone who didn't deserve it anyway
anymore, or if he does it's on some random server we're unaware of. He
likes to post random one liners or a general "Hmmm..." in threads
looking to itch under people's skins so he can bump his post count up.
He may very well deny that fact here and anywhere else, but he may not
know that posting in this place doesn't seem to increase his count at
all. All in all you just need to remember not to feed the trolls. =/
He's just that bad that he was striped of his post count at one point,
which caused him to literally explode into tears (hey, he even sent me
an IM). Just to describe to you what kind of person Lurkerr really is.
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Submitted by: Zelgadis
Rumbledor
news:Zelgadi...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com:
< snip >
>
> He's just that bad that he was striped of his post count at one point,
> which caused him to literally explode into tears (hey, he even sent me
> an IM). Just to describe to you what kind of person Lurkerr really is.
>
That's funny. It cracks me up when the post count whores get their just
deserts. :)
--
Rumble
"Am I jumpin' from tree to tree all nimbly-bimbly?!"
Graefaxe
"Lurkerr" <Lurkerr...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote in message
news:Lurkerr...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com...
:
: Dark Tyger wrote:
: > Those that come in acting intelligent are. Those that come in acting
: > like idiots are treated like idiots. Those that come in spewing shit
: > are treated like common trolls. They're getting as good as they give.
: >
:
: When I started looking around here, I saw YOU in almost every thread I
: opened. You weren't being helpful or even useful in about half of those
: posts. I think YOU are the troll. Look how many posts you make.
DT isn't a troll. He's our resident Grumpy Old Cat. He does exhibit a
rather quick temper, at times. You get used to it, after a while. Just
know that if you hit one of the trigger points, you will get a response.
And you usually won't like it.
Dark Tyger
<Valleycre...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>'Dark Tyger' wrote:
>> If I'm in a fight, I fight to win. Why cripple myself by not using
>> whatever resources are at my disposal? Better a pussy than an idiot
>> with a broken face. I'll never walk again, but, dammit, I have my
>> pride! Moron.
>
>
>Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that you hate fair fights.
Here's one of the reason people are cringing about gateway posters
here. You post here like it's a web forum, combining quotes from
multiple posts into a single reply...
Anyway, there's the old saying "all's fair in love and war". I tend to
loathe fighting in the first place, but if I'm going to be forced to
defend myself, I'm going to do the best damn job I can.
As if me fighting someone with streetfighting experience under his
belt is going to be fair, anyway. The knife will probably be what's
making it fair.
Frank E
<Lurkerr...@erollisimarr-dot-com-forum.com> wrote:
>When I started looking around here, I saw YOU in almost every thread I
>opened. You weren't being helpful or even useful in about half of those
>posts. I think YOU are the troll. Look how many posts you make.
Another advantage of a newsreader as opposed to a gateway is something
called a killfile. <g>
Rgds, Frank