Don't Buy Civ4; It is now a Leftist Tool of Propaganda!
tooly
Case of argument:
1.. "Liberalism" is now a major focal point of the game as an acquired
civic.
a.The "intellectual school" of Liberalism being a subliminal associative
message about today's political struggles, where 'liberalism' as found in
the present 'political left', is given a 'better face', while being
demonstrative to profound changes over the last 50 years, and what many call
'social decay' [the conservative movement to counterbalance that social
decay].
b.Anyone unawares and playing this game, will come away with a 'subliminal'
message about the 'positivity' of liberalism, creating a reduced resistance
to the 'Political Left's' agenda [especially the very young who will most
likely be playing a computer game like this].
c. Subliminal message: "liberalism> Good"...and the converse logical
conclusion, "Conservatism> Bad"
2. "Emancipation" is a major goal.
a. This given as another major 'civic' to pursue in the game. The
subliminal messaging however relates to present political struggles
regarding civil rights, feminism, gay rights...very decidedly Left Wing
agenda issues. The unawares player will come away with subliminal messaging
to embrace and accept the political platforms of these social movements
today...under the guise that any resistance is equated to those in history
that have stood in the way of such things as 'banning slavery'.
b. Subliminal message: "civil rights, feminism, gay rights, minority
empowerment> Good" concurrent logical condition, "anti-civil rights,
anti-feminisn, anti-gay rights> BAD as evil enslavers".
3. The ability to build Mt. Rushmore is awarded for gaining the Fascism
technology (sic).
a. This is a 'not so subliminal' association of one of America's icons of
Freedom, being reassociated with the now 'conditioned mental response' of an
'evil word'...ie Fascism. This kind of word association tears down
traditional ties with cultural mainstays and pride, allowing for
introduction of a new social agenda. IN other words, this is tearing down
'culture' to help erect some new politically activated notion.
b. subliminal message: "America>BAD"
4. Al Gore's profile being offered as graphic for the Internet Technology.
a. some argue this is ridicule for Al Gore. Others say it is benign. Some
even might argue that it promotes a question mark about Al Gore that perhaps
the idea of his influence might be reinvestigated as something positive.
Whatever, if offers imagery from the LEFT, that is subliminally supportive.
b. subliminal message: "Al Gore and Liberals> Good"
5. Dan Quayle is given as the worst leader [when comparing one's ability to
construct a civilization end of game].
a. This is meant as humor, but again has a subliminal message that reduces
any conservative in the minds of the unawares player [especially the future
voting young], as bafoons.
b. Subliminal message: "Conservatives> Stupid, Bad"
------------------------------
Whether the makers of this game were truly trying to promote a certain
viewpoint, or it was just that they allowed their bias to eminate through
the design of the game, is hard to say. But the game I am quite sure now,
has been politicized.
Anyone knowing anything about Cultural Marxism, this is exactly the kind of
tactic that is described in their new world manifesto. We are being prodded
in this game to be swayed to today's leftist point of view.
Adam Webb
Now ive heard it all........ its just a game for goodness sake.
--
From Overlag - Adam Webb
Billy Yank
he added:
> I am now convinced of this.
>
>
This is a known bug. The workaround is to play Civ wearing a tinfoil hat.
Seriously though, anyone who's surprised that Sid & Co. are lefties wasn't
paying attention while playing SMAC.
--
Billy Yank
"God loves you. Unfortunately, the alien overlords who put you on this
planet are using you to test cosmetics."
-Dogbert
Billy Yank's Baldur's Gate Photo Portraits
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2xvw6/
Alan Bernardo
comment. Folks like you are forever railing against this so-called
liberalism, but when things go far to the right, when freedom is snuffed and
the poor are made poorer, you say things are looking just fine.
Civ IV is a game and it is fun to play. I'm not childish nor am I so much
of an undiscerning fool to let anyone tell me how to think, as your
right-wingers are telling you how to think.
I really do feel sorry for you.
Alanb
Virgo
*is* a positive political struggle. And if the political right is as
shallow as you are then you really can't expect it to figure
prominantly in a game now, can you? Maybe Doom or Quake are more your
speed, just pretend the goolies you are blowing away are homeless
people or single moms. That way you can protect your "social fabric"
in a way that you will see as being more wholesome and positive.
For the record, "liberalism" historically is partly a right wing
phenomenon. Think back to Adam Smith, and liberating the marketplace
from the interference of government controls. It only became a bad
word when people decided to stop burning books long enough to read
some of Smith and discover that he had a social conscience that
accompanied his ecomonic liberalism.
Fishman ><(((°>
"tooly" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>I am now convinced of this.
>
<<< MEGA CRAP SNIPPED >>>
Arghh thanks...... you've solved my problem.
I couldn't understand why when playing with a blue tie on, I kept loosing.
I'll try a yellow Lib Dem tie and see if that's any better - ta for the tip
(or should I say utter crap).
Hari Seldon
>
> Case of argument:
Non-arguments.You better get back in your books, study, and while studying
DON NOT SMOKE POT,DO NOT USE INTERNET or LISTEN TO MUSIC.
Start with machiavelli's Principe, Hobbes Leviathan, some Locke, Smith
Wealth of Nations, Marx, Hegel, Koljeveand then come backl and mutter
again...
Canopus
>I am now convinced of this.
>
>Case of argument:
<rubbish snipped>
It seems you don't even know what a subliminal message is which you base
your whole argument on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_messages
What you are on about are game concepts. Evidently, from your point of
view, Civ 4 is evil because some of the game concepts conflict with your
extreme right wing, brainwashed, pro US, world view. Do the world a
favour and never get into real politics.
--
Rob
Andre
Replace Quayle with Bush if you want to be realistic. And yes
anti-feminism is a bad thing...unless you're a racist and love to
discriminate. You are using a primitive method of separating
conservatism and liberalism, right and left, anti life and pro life.
You have subliminally been brainwashed already it seems by your
preconceived ideas, none of which have an ounce of originality. People
like to use separative terms so that they can control people easier;
and understand or try to anticipate their moves. I think it is better
to stand on the outside and pick and choose the right action by
studying the facts and analyzing history. Instead of your method: do as
the majority are doing since they must be correct. That is being a
"Bourgeois" fuck.
Liberals are considered liberals because they are the minority, as soon
as they become the majority they are then considered conservative. That
is the greatest fallacy in separatism. Go read Socrates or Chomsky or
something ; I'm sure in time you'll feel better.
That great artist looks a lot like Elvis no? According to you then
Elvis and bad music = good Bob Dylan and good music= bad.
Chris
--
Chris
Avilan
pulling our legs... It's a joke!
Andre
director38
"Andre" <White...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> He's pulling on something, but it's not our legs; this guy is serious.
>
As well he should be. I know personally that my beliefs are so fragile that
if I am exposed to other opinions they might accidentally change my mind.
Loren Pechtel
wrote:
>I am now convinced of this.
And I'm convinced you're a victim of the right wing.
Avilan
Andre skrev:
> He's pulling on something, but it's not our legs; this guy is serious.
I do think so too, however it is more fruitfull to treat him as a joker
rather than to argue with him; old wisdom says "Never to argue with a
drunk or a madman" afterall.
/A
Canopus
>On 4 Dec 2005 07:06:35 -0800, "Andre" <White...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>For Tooly,
>>
>>Replace Quayle with Bush if you want to be realistic. And yes
>>anti-feminism is a bad thing...unless you're a racist and love to
>>discriminate.
>
>I don't see how Bush is anyway near as bad as Dan Quayle. And why is
>someone a racist if they are anti-feminist? I personally think the
>feminist logic is insane.
Anything with an "ist" on its end is usually insane :)
--
Rob
John Simpson
"tooly"
> b. Subliminal message: "civil rights, feminism, gay rights, minority
> empowerment> Good" concurrent logical condition, "anti-civil rights,
> anti-feminisn, anti-gay rights> BAD as evil enslavers".
Er I happen to agree with that, maybe thats another reason I like Civ4 :)
> Anyone knowing anything about Cultural Marxism, this is exactly the kind
> of tactic that is described in their new world manifesto. We are being
> prodded in this game to be swayed to today's leftist point of view.
Dude, I think you are reading way to much into the game, maybe you should
step back and relax and not take it all so seriously.
--
John Simpson
"Quantum Physics: The dreams stuff is made of."
John Simpson
> Or they could have a conservative movement where babies are DNA tested
> at birth to determine their worth to society. Any suspected of
> becoming hardened criminals are "put to sleep" before they become a
> burden to society.
>
Bwahahahah Nerve Stapling, Nerve Stapling!!!!!
*Evil Cackle*
Chairman Yang
Canopus
>
>"tooly"
>
>>b. Subliminal message: "civil rights, feminism, gay rights, minority
>>empowerment> Good" concurrent logical condition, "anti-civil rights,
>>anti-feminisn, anti-gay rights> BAD as evil enslavers".
>
>Er I happen to agree with that, maybe thats another reason I like Civ4 :)
>
>
>>Anyone knowing anything about Cultural Marxism, this is exactly the kind
>>of tactic that is described in their new world manifesto. We are being
>>prodded in this game to be swayed to today's leftist point of view.
>
>Dude, I think you are reading way to much into the game, maybe you should
>step back and relax and not take it all so seriously.
Well having been brought up in the UK during the 50s and 60s when Britain
was virtually socialist and most people sung the praises of the welfare
state and had a good pension to look forward to, I consider Civ 4 to be
very pro American and an evil tool of right wing extremists.
I dare say someone from Mongolia would have a very different view.
--
Rob
tooly
It's never a joke that something that we should feel carefree about, like
computer games, are politicized in any way whatsoever. It matters little
what side one sees themselves on the issues. The danger to recognize here
is the powerful modes of persuasion available to the select few in our world
today to evoke 'change'. You may or may not agree with that change [what it
is], but you should all pretty damn well be up in arms over the tremendous
POWER these few now weld.
I've had my say, and I hope I've affected just a bit more of a raised
eyebrow upon the artifacts we 'digest'.
We should not buy this game just upon general principle. But if you hold
conservative values in any way, buying this game is only supporting the very
thing you are probably fighting.
Fight back!!!
Tim Skirvin
>I am now convinced of this.
One that you missed from the patch: "Animal Husbandry" is now a
major focal point of the game that leads to discovering (ie marrying!)
horses! Obviously, the game designers are advocating bestiality!!!
- Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)
--
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/ Skirv's Homepage <FISH>< <*>
http://news.killfile.org/ News<->Web Gateway
Matt McLeod
> One that you missed from the patch: "Animal Husbandry" is now a
> major focal point of the game that leads to discovering (ie marrying!)
> horses! Obviously, the game designers are advocating bestiality!!!
So are some conservative commentators...
Matt
Avilan
far right wing see as a threat (aka the right to equality of minorites,
such as everyone not a white heterosexual christian male (but only
certain christians! not christians who actually believe in jesus as a
preacher of love, because they a re leftists godless homosexuals!) will
feel threatened by anything to the left of KKK.
I do not really see this as a problem, however, since it only shows how
extreme their views are, and how isolated they are. Now if this game
offended the moderate right, like McCain, or other truly admirable
people who truly stands for a compassionate conservatism, then I would
take this "critisism" seriously.
I am slightly amused tho that Tooly did not feel personally insulted
because there are other religions than Christianity in the game, I
thought a person with his oppinions and beliefs truly would see that as
a personal attack...
/A
infer...@my-deja.com
> civic.
> 2. "Emancipation" is a major goal.
I don't know about you. But the civics granted by Liberalism are Free
Religion and Free Speech, and the oh so good Emancipation you are
talking about, and all those wimpy civilizations which choose the wrong
path by following such foolish ideals, are crushed by my glorious
civilization which has adopted Police State, Nationalism, Caste system
and Organized Religion, many many times.
tooly
<infer...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Obvious typo on my part...you are correct; Liberalism is the tech upon which
Free speech is the civic you then have access to.
But it IS a powerful civic and I would argue, a 'focal point' of the game
[to gain that tech and the 'Free Speech' civic quickly to counterbalance AI
opponents who would be advantaged if they get it first]. All the civ games
have certain techs that 'stand out' as important to winning and the
'Liberalism' tech stands out in CivIV. But who the 'hey' even decided to
make 'liberalism' as a a game tech anyway? I could think of a couple
hundred other things that might be argued as far more important to world
history as it developed. No, I think whomever decided to put that in the
game is perhaps the same one who decided to associate Mt. Rushmore with
fascism.
Think about it people. This is very subtle...but clear bias.
BTW, I doubt anyone younger than 30 could even begin to understand where I'm
coming from. They would have been raised under institutions already
profoundly influenced by liberalized mindsets...that have been far more
interested in 'socialization' rather than 'education' as a priority since at
least circa 1980...and before. Those younger with such liberal viewpoints
might ask themselves did they come to those views 'honestly' of their own
free will, or as a matter of social endoctrination as they were taught in
our schools [as product of social engineering]? Some of us old enough to
see, have witnessed the very rewriting of history books, not for factual
understanding, but simply to expedite modern day social goals of the 'inane'
LEFT.
Ah...but see. This was a computer game; and a great one...when people played
they were raised in consciouness about world history. But that was civ
I,II, and III. But no, I stand by what I observe in CivIV...this game has
been decidedly 'biased' toward a 'liberal' viewpoint. Young kids playing
this WILL come away with certain ideas about 'how to think' about liberalism
vs. conservatism...and that is the present political struggle in the world.
Subliminal message the game gives: Liberalism=Good, Conservatism[In
Absentia]=Bad.
Avilan
live and let live thing, A liberal is for personal freedom as long as
it does not hurt anyone else. Conservatism (american style) is for
personal freedom as long as it does not hurt the moral code the gov.
forces upon you. Big difference.
Besides, I still don't see how anyone can be against civil rights and
equality for all; I thought that was what America is all about. To see
the rights of your fellow human being violated (which is what anti.gay
and anti-feminism is, you support oppression. There is no difference
between anti-gay and appartheid), and accept that as a good thing, is
very weird to me. It would be like arguing that inter-racial marriage
is wrong, or that people of certain religions or race shouldn't have
the right to vote. And that does feel very... 1962.
Andre
That is because he is so primitive the times have passed him by. He's a
perfect example of a right wing fanatic with the IQ of a fence post. He
cannot tolerate other people to have equal rights. He lives by the
motto: "The white man's tools shall never be used to bring down the
white man's house". But arguing with him is impossible, his brain has
already been indoctrinated by primitive views, and cannot absorb
anything new and fresh.
Andre
dwb
> I am now convinced of this.
Ha ha ha ha.
What about communism giving you drastically reduced maintenance? Surely
that's EVIL!!!!
!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
ojevin...@bredband.net
>Fight back!!!
The discovery of Communism enables you to build the Scotland Yard. What
exact conclusion do you draw from that?
Seriously, you should keep in mind that, as several people have
already pointed out, "liberalism" in the classical, historical sense
simply meant free markets, as proposed by Adam Smith, and
representative government, as proposed by the Founding Fathers. And
freedom of worship. The last thing I heard, American conservatives were
in favour of all these things. The fact is that in America,
"liberalism" has, to some people, come to mean "leftist", which from a
historical perspective is a rather strange terminological development,
unless one means "to the left of aristocrats, mercantilists and
proponents of an established church who hate representation, free
markets and freedom of worship". In a parallel development, many
European leftists denounce extreme proponents of "unfettered market
forces" as "neo-liberals". But of course the people at Firaxis are
neither using the word liberalism in the modern American rightist sense
or the modern European leftist sense, but in its classical historical
sense. John Locke, Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill.
Emancipation meant "the emancipation of slaves" and then "giving
women the right to vote". I find it hard to believe you are opposed to
those things.
The image of Albert Gore was no doubt meant as a joke. He proposed
congressional funding that facilitated the creation of the Internet,
but he never claimed to have "invented it". That is a right-wing
canard. Dan Quayle was the worst possible leader to be compared to back
in the original Civ game too, so your reaction against that is a bit
late.
Finally, and again echoing others: Brighten up! It's just a game.
Ö. Lång
Dave Hinz
> "Repent tooly!" said the Ticktockman. "Get Stuffed!" tooly replied. Then
> he added:
>
>> I am now convinced of this.
Shiny side out, of course. Otherwise it doesn't work at all, as MIT
just found.
paul
"Alan Bernardo" <ifeely...@ihatebush.net> wrote in message
news:YeKdnfRQmcZeww_e...@comcast.com...
> If the game were promoting your political philosophy, you wouldn't even
> make comment. Folks like you are forever railing against this so-called
> liberalism, but when things go far to the right, when freedom is snuffed
> and the poor are made poorer, you say things are looking just fine.
>
> Civ IV is a game and it is fun to play. I'm not childish nor am I so much
> of an undiscerning fool to let anyone tell me how to think, as your
> right-wingers are telling you how to think.
>
> I really do feel sorry for you.
>
> Alanb
i feel sorry for you too! being on the wrong side of the political football
is no fun at all. having people call you a leftist piece of garbage is no
fun, especially when you know they are right ;- ).
it IS a fun game. I have noticed the political bias since Civ I came out
(actually noticed it in an earlier game called Colonization, which i also
loved in spite of the bias), and in many other Sid Meier's games. he is
STILL a good game designer, even if his creations crap down their leg
politically. I own most of the Sid Meiers games.
it DOES seem to be getting more pronounced as it goes along though.
paul
az
>
>
paul
"Virgo" <vvi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ummmmm, the struggle for human rights through emancipation actually
> *is* a positive political struggle. And if the political right is as
> shallow as you are then you really can't expect it to figure
> prominantly in a game now, can you? Maybe Doom or Quake are more your
> speed, just pretend the goolies you are blowing away are homeless
> people or single moms. That way you can protect your "social fabric"
> in a way that you will see as being more wholesome and positive.
>
> For the record, "liberalism" historically is partly a right wing
> phenomenon. Think back to Adam Smith, and liberating the marketplace
> from the interference of government controls. It only became a bad
> word when people decided to stop burning books long enough to read
> some of Smith and discover that he had a social conscience that
> accompanied his ecomonic liberalism.
you have a good point. the liberals of today would cause TRUE liberals of
yesteryear to spin in their graves!
take care,
paul
az
>
>
>
paul
"P12" <now...@all.com> wrote in message
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> at birth to determine their worth to society. Any suspected of
> becoming hardened criminals are "put to sleep" before they become a
> burden to society.
i hate to tell you this, and i hope you aren't offended (or shocked) at
this, but this would not be a conservative movement. it is the liberals who
want to destroy babies whom they believe will be better off if they never
get a chance to live their lives.
conservatives tend to have respect for ALL life, at least until it PROVES
itself unworthy!
take care,
paul
az
paul
"Canopus" <BNRAGM...@spammotel.com> wrote in message
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> P12 on 04/12/2005 wrote:
>
>>On 4 Dec 2005 07:06:35 -0800, "Andre" <White...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>For Tooly,
>>>
>>>Replace Quayle with Bush if you want to be realistic. And yes
>>>anti-feminism is a bad thing...unless you're a racist and love to
>>>discriminate.
>>
>>I don't see how Bush is anyway near as bad as Dan Quayle. And why is
>>someone a racist if they are anti-feminist? I personally think the
>>feminist logic is insane.
>
> Anything with an "ist" on its end is usually insane :)
leftist? ;- )
take care,
paul
az
>
> --
> Rob
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/
Andre C
wrote:
Why is Dick Chaney calling himself tooly and posting to this web site?
ACC
Canopus
Yep, *any* "ist" along with *any* "ism". This is the prime axiom of
"Realism" as laid out by "Realists" 8星
--
Rob
Canopus
Yowww! ROFL...he he he ha ha ha gafawk <kick legs in air> ah ah <wet
pants> ho ho ho <taken away by men wearing white coats>
--
Rob
Matt McLeod
> BTW, I doubt anyone younger than 30 could even begin to understand where I'm
> coming from. They would have been raised under institutions already
> profoundly influenced by liberalized mindsets...that have been far more
> interested in 'socialization' rather than 'education' as a priority since at
> least circa 1980...and before.
You sure it isn't fluridated water? Those damn Commies, always
trying to get at your precious bodily fluids!
Dude, you're the one who's confused. In a historical game
"Liberalism" has its historical meaning. You'll notice that
the stuff that tech gives you all fit in with the classical
meaning of the term rather than with some socialist utopia.
It's also a really major shift in politics and economics
from what had been before, so it's no surprise it rates a
place as a tech in this game. Previously it would've mapped
to something like "Democracy", but with the Civics system they
needed to break this stuff out a bit.
That the term has been redefined in an American poltical context
does not make that change in terminology apply to the past, nor
for that matter to the rest of the world where we're well aware
of what "Liberal" really means. Funnily enough, the "Liberal
Party of Australia" is a largely conservative movement -- in,
again, the traditional sense of the term "conservative", not this
wacky radical "conservativism" that seems to be running things in
the States these days.
The problem is in your head, not in the game.
Matt
Avilan
paul skrev:
> > i hate to tell you this, and i hope you aren't offended (or shocked) at
> this, but this would not be a conservative movement. it is the liberals who
> want to destroy babies whom they believe will be better off if they never
> get a chance to live their lives.
>
> conservatives tend to have respect for ALL life, at least until it PROVES
> itself unworthy!
>
Please let's not get into a abortion debate.
The point I and others are trying to make is that there is a huge
difference between having Conservative (or "Liberal", altho the people
called liberals in America are many times not, and those who are are
few and far between these days) values and being paranoid and
undereducated (anyone that believes that freedom is a bad thing is
either undereducated or evil).
/A
Ps. Of course from our point of view (as in "the rest of the world") it
is very hard to see what the big hoopla between the Dems and Reps are,
since both parties are deeply conservative parties on the political
scale. The Dems are just slightly less to the far right t han the Reps.
General !dea
before scribbling:
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:19:44 -0500, "tooly" <rd...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> Why is Dick Chaney calling himself tooly and posting to this web site?
>
Cheney doesn't have to do this stuff himself. The admininstration can hire
the services of political commentators; why woudn't they do the same for
internet discussions?
Dave Hinz
That's great news. I'm opinionated, how do I get on this alleged
payroll?
Andre
Alan Bernardo
"> you have a good point. the liberals of today would cause TRUE liberals of
> yesteryear to spin in their graves!
>
> take care,
> paul
> az
>
>>
>>
Please go away. You guys all talk the same nonsense, like automatons
without brains, letting others think for them.
Alanb
paul
Sounds like you are describing yourself.
I don't go away. I am here forever.
Paul
Hank Stalica
deeply affected in their political views by a video game.
Do you really think people are so uneducated as to play Civ4 and then go
out and vote one way or another based on whether or not they discovered
Liberalism?
Hmm...
Now that I think about it, maybe he has a point. The majority of people
in this country are woefully ignorant.
That being the case, I don't think you have anything to worry about.
The woefully ignorant voted Bush.
tooly wrote:
> I am now convinced of this.
>
> Case of argument:
> 1.. "Liberalism" is now a major focal point of the game as an acquired
> civic.
>
> a.The "intellectual school" of Liberalism being a subliminal associative
> message about today's political struggles, where 'liberalism' as found in
> the present 'political left', is given a 'better face', while being
> demonstrative to profound changes over the last 50 years, and what many call
> 'social decay' [the conservative movement to counterbalance that social
> decay].
>
> b.Anyone unawares and playing this game, will come away with a 'subliminal'
> message about the 'positivity' of liberalism, creating a reduced resistance
> to the 'Political Left's' agenda [especially the very young who will most
> likely be playing a computer game like this].
>
> c. Subliminal message: "liberalism> Good"...and the converse logical
> conclusion, "Conservatism> Bad"
>
> 2. "Emancipation" is a major goal.
>
> a. This given as another major 'civic' to pursue in the game. The
> subliminal messaging however relates to present political struggles
> regarding civil rights, feminism, gay rights...very decidedly Left Wing
> agenda issues. The unawares player will come away with subliminal messaging
> to embrace and accept the political platforms of these social movements
> today...under the guise that any resistance is equated to those in history
> that have stood in the way of such things as 'banning slavery'.
>
> b. Subliminal message: "civil rights, feminism, gay rights, minority
> empowerment> Good" concurrent logical condition, "anti-civil rights,
> anti-feminisn, anti-gay rights> BAD as evil enslavers".
>
> 3. The ability to build Mt. Rushmore is awarded for gaining the Fascism
> technology (sic).
>
> a. This is a 'not so subliminal' association of one of America's icons of
> Freedom, being reassociated with the now 'conditioned mental response' of an
> 'evil word'...ie Fascism. This kind of word association tears down
> traditional ties with cultural mainstays and pride, allowing for
> introduction of a new social agenda. IN other words, this is tearing down
> 'culture' to help erect some new politically activated notion.
>
> b. subliminal message: "America>BAD"
>
> 4. Al Gore's profile being offered as graphic for the Internet Technology.
>
> a. some argue this is ridicule for Al Gore. Others say it is benign. Some
> even might argue that it promotes a question mark about Al Gore that perhaps
> the idea of his influence might be reinvestigated as something positive.
> Whatever, if offers imagery from the LEFT, that is subliminally supportive.
>
> b. subliminal message: "Al Gore and Liberals> Good"
>
> 5. Dan Quayle is given as the worst leader [when comparing one's ability to
> construct a civilization end of game].
>
> a. This is meant as humor, but again has a subliminal message that reduces
> any conservative in the minds of the unawares player [especially the future
> voting young], as bafoons.
>
> b. Subliminal message: "Conservatives> Stupid, Bad"
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Whether the makers of this game were truly trying to promote a certain
> viewpoint, or it was just that they allowed their bias to eminate through
> the design of the game, is hard to say. But the game I am quite sure now,
> has been politicized.
>
> Anyone knowing anything about Cultural Marxism, this is exactly the kind of
> tactic that is described in their new world manifesto. We are being prodded
> in this game to be swayed to today's leftist point of view.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hank Stalica
to vote or work, anti-Choice, against desegregation, against equal
rights for blacks, and are now against equal rights for homosexuals.
The hatred and oppression continues, it's only the targets of the
bigotry that change.
Dave Hinz
>
> Sounds like you are describing yourself.
> I don't go away. I am here forever.
Actually, not.
<plonk>
x...@x.com
leader, that's very insulting. There's no need for such vitrol. As for the
Al Gore internet, I think that in their left wing meglomania they actually
think that Al Gore did invent it. They are just as delusional as Al Gore
himself and that's saying a lot. He's degraded himself from a respectable
(but failed) presidential candidate to a babbling idiot in the same cut as
Howard Dean.
Take heart, the SDK will come out eventually and we can change the rules to
something more realistic. We can make Liberalism lead to the eventual
cultural and religious decay of the civilization. And fix it so that
Communisim will do the same but take the economy down along with it.
Wee...@limbo.com
successive and replace or marginalize earlier advancements. But when it
comes to the humanities, especially government, not everything is a step
forward. Many progressive governments regress over time due to corruption
of both the people and their leades. Also, as we are seeing, wars can be
very beneficial for societies that throw off regressive governments for ones
that allow them more freedom.
Avilan
Wee...@limbo.com skrev:
> Many progressive governments regress over time due to corruption
> of both the people and their leades. Also, as we are seeing, wars can be
> very beneficial for societies that throw off regressive governments for ones
> that allow them more freedom.
True, which is why most countries in the west prefer liberal
governements (by American standards), since they are the most freedom
loving.