The Ph.D. Fraud flamewar is over.
Larry McQueary
What was the method by which you received credit for your work experience? How
was it evaluated?
Also, where are your undergraduate and (presumably?) graduate degrees from?
Larry
Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:37cd9d8f...@news.mindspring.com...
On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:35:46 GMT, mail...@bottom.com (Ed Bain)
> wrote:>
[ snip ]
> >I think Derek Smart got his Ph.D. from a distance learning school,
> >(as he said) and received credit for 'life experience' (as he said).
>
> 'work experience' that is. I was working 'in the industry' while
> studying and therefore had a lot of experience. I don't have a clue
> what 'life experience' entails, so, if they mean the same thing, then,
> ignore me.
[ snip ]
Larry McQueary
get a Ph.D. from an accredited university in about a month or so if you wanted
to?
Do you realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Derek Smart wrote:
> As I have stated over, and over, and over, Bill has *no* idea how *any* of
> this stuff works. So, please, don't waste your time.
> Everything that he calls 'facts' on his page was derived from what he picked
> up here.
>
> btw, I got my Ph.D in under 2 years and yes, I *did* get credit for my
> experience and existing work, which is why I made AI in games the primary
> focus of my thesis. In case anyone was wondering, 'cause I know some people
> here who know me, already know this.
>
> While we are on the subject, if I wanted another Ph.D. right now, I'd get
> one in about a month or so, with just my current experience and work *and*
> from an accredited university no less; even if its a
> distance learning institution (like the one I got my first one from because
> I moved around a lot as I indicated in my history writeup on my website).
> Heck, I'd get one from any university in my neighborhood if I wanted. Can't
> be bothered, already have one.
>
>
> --
> Derek Smart, Ph.D.
> Designer/Lead Developer
> The Battlecruiser Series
> www.bc3000ad.com
>
jackyo
Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
>Derek,
>
>What was the method by which you received credit for your work experience?
How
>was it evaluated?
>
>Also, where are your undergraduate and (presumably?) graduate degrees from?
>
Good questions, I would be curious as to how this works. I am considering
going for an MBA, and would LOVE it if I could use work experience and get
one in a month like Derek says is possible.
Merek Fart
understand, I am busy *working*, ensuring that future versions of Crap live up
to the expectations of my extensive fanbase. While you are all hanging out in
this forum, "cleverly" bashing me for lack of anything better to do, I am
sitting at home counting the money from my royalty payments. According to
Interplay, Crap v4.1 has become one of the most profitable games in company
history.
To answer your pathetic question, yes in fact I do know where you can receive a
Ph.D. in one month. You can receive one from any respectable institution of
higher learning. Harvard, Yale, Oxford, all offer speed courses to quick Ph.D.s
using life experience as partial credit. If you are interested only in an MBA as
your post would seem to indicate, you can in fact qualify for such a degree in
less than a week. Again, this depends on the type of life experience you have
under your belt. I am basing these time requirements for graduation on *my
personal life experiences*. If your life experiences vary from my own, so too
will the length of time required for graduation. Obviously. This is all very
elementary, and in truth I shouldn't have to *waste my time* explaining this to
you in this forum. If you are interested in receiving a speed diploma, you
should be contacting the registrar's office at the institution of your choice.
In the meantime I suggest you find something better to do with your time. There
are enough people here who get fun and enjoyment from the Crap that I have spent
the last decade of my life working on. If you don't enjoy Crap, move on. No one
wants you here. If you choose to remain and keep up this relentless harassment,
I will be forced to turn your name over to the FBI. Do not tempt me, I have
taken this action in the past and the results have been swift and serious.
For now, all I have to say is:
Whatever.
*plonk*
Merek Fart, M.D.
Recliner/Lead Enveloper
The Badgame Saga
www.freezebug.com
"It's not everyone smelling me and my bum that bothers me.
It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
jackyo wrote:
> Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
> >Well, as you may have guessed, there are no credible, accredited MBAs to be
> had
> >in a month.
> >
> >There are over 100 accredited MBA programs available at a distance, many of
> >which have flexible scheduling and delivery media, but it would take you AT
> >LEAST 9 months to a year of FULL TIME STUDY to complete the majority of
> them.
> >
> >Any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous. Any school that promises an
> MBA
> >or PhD in a month is a diploma-mill.
> >
>
> Too bad. I really would have enjoyed getting one in a month.
>
> Derek - do you have any info to offer up on how I can get one in a month
> using work experiences? I would appreciate it.
>
> Thanks
Seb Fontaine
**LOL**
Great post
Merek Fart <"mfart"@pobox.com (Merek Fart)> wrote in message
news:rskbvq...@corp.supernews.com...
Larry McQueary
in a month.
There are over 100 accredited MBA programs available at a distance, many of
which have flexible scheduling and delivery media, but it would take you AT
LEAST 9 months to a year of FULL TIME STUDY to complete the majority of them.
Any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous. Any school that promises an MBA
or PhD in a month is a diploma-mill.
Larry
jackyo <jack...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7qchgg$tpp$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net...
>
> Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
Ed Bain
in msg <rsjab2...@news.supernews.com>,
"Larry McQueary" <Termin...@hotmail.com> said :
>Derek,
>
>What was the method by which you received credit for your work experience? How
>was it evaluated?
>
>Also, where are your undergraduate and (presumably?) graduate degrees from?
>
>Larry
Why should he tell -you-, Mr. Termin...@hotmail.com?
LOL!! (#1005)
*plonk*
--
* rrevved at mindspring dot com
* http://www.cabal.net
* http://www.sputum.com
jackyo
Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
had
>in a month.
>
>There are over 100 accredited MBA programs available at a distance, many of
>which have flexible scheduling and delivery media, but it would take you AT
>LEAST 9 months to a year of FULL TIME STUDY to complete the majority of
them.
>
>Any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous. Any school that promises an
MBA
>or PhD in a month is a diploma-mill.
>
Too bad. I really would have enjoyed getting one in a month.
Derek Smart
wrote:
Nope. Last I checked, FSU (I think) had an 8 month program I think.
There are several DL institutions that do them. Ask Larry, he might
know more than I would.
You were quoting what I said about getting a 'second' Ph.D. (which I
am still considering, as it so happens) and with my current DL one and
all my work (which is mostly based on research), I was thinking of
doing another, to satisfy the US requirements, in something akin to
'The Mathematics of AI in Computer Games'. I've developed a lot of
kick-ass AI over the years and since BC3K still has, arguably, the
best AI engine in the industry, I feel that I could breeze through it
in under a year or so. I've been inquiring at the Uni's down here but
I haven't made up my mind yet on where to go. Being in FTL, I am
surrounded by Unis, I just have to pick one that suits my purpose.
With this one, I could publish my disertation because it would mostly
contain stuff that I don't mind sharing, unlike my critical and
proprietary AI kernels used in my games and in which, given the
industry I work in, have no intentions of sharing. Heck, even my code
is all registered copyrighted and trademarked and I elected for the
minimal submission method so that someone won't gain access to it.. I
plan on applying for a patent (already have all the paperwork) on
AILOG, my AI kernel sometime next year and I think I'll get it.
Derek Smart, Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.bc3000ad.com
"It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
Merek Fart
Whatever.
*plonk*
"It's not everyone smelling me and my bum that bothers me.
It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
jackyo wrote:
> Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
> >Well, as you may have guessed, there are no credible, accredited MBAs to be
> had
> >in a month.
> >
> >There are over 100 accredited MBA programs available at a distance, many of
> >which have flexible scheduling and delivery media, but it would take you AT
> >LEAST 9 months to a year of FULL TIME STUDY to complete the majority of
> them.
> >
> >Any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous. Any school that promises an
> MBA
> >or PhD in a month is a diploma-mill.
> >
>
> Too bad. I really would have enjoyed getting one in a month.
>
> Derek - do you have any info to offer up on how I can get one in a month
> using work experiences? I would appreciate it.
>
> Thanks
Thomas Nixon
"A. Fox" wrote:
>
> Ah, he must mean the HONORARY Ph.D., of course. Yes, if your life
> experience includes winning a Nobel prize, stopping a war, leading a
> revolution, or writing a great novel, you might in fact be able to trade
> that life experience for a doctorate.
Or build a new student union. Or fund a new endowed chair. Or get elected to public
office. Or become a celebrity.
Tom Nixon
Russ Blahetka
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Russ Blahetka
http://www.blahetka.com/school.shtml
Learn the rules then break some.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
ay...@my-deja.com
100...@ciao.cc.columbia.edu>,
"A. Fox" <aa...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Merek Fart wrote:
>
> > To answer your pathetic question, yes in fact I do know where you
can receive a
> > Ph.D. in one month. You can receive one from any respectable
institution of
> > higher learning. Harvard, Yale, Oxford, all offer speed courses to
quick Ph.D.s
> > using life experience as partial credit. If you are interested only
in an MBA as
>
No he doesn't.
>Yes, if your life
> experience includes winning a Nobel prize, stopping a war, leading a
> revolution, or writing a great novel, you might in fact be able to
trade
> that life experience for a doctorate. I believe the great bluegrass
banjo
> player Ralph Stanley was awared an honorary Ph.D. by the University of
> Tennessee (?) a few years ago. Ralph signed a picture for me at a
concert
> in Davis, California in 1997, as "Doctor Ralph Stanley." He got a big
> kick out of that, as did I.
>
> In all seriousness, I challenge Mr. Fart (!) to give us a URL for the
> webpage on Harvard's site where they explain how to get a Harvard
Ph.D. in
> a month. As a Harvard A.B., and the son of Harvard Ph.D.'s, I'd like
> to know. I say it's bull.
>
> See? I can post on something other than GU.
>
Read it again. This time with a sense of humour.
> AF
>
>
-Amos Yung
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Larry McQueary
alt.games.bc3000ad for enlightment. Derek Smart, Ph.D., yet another Ph.D.
fraud, awaits you there.
Larry
A. Fox <aa...@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.10.990830...@ciao.cc.columbia.edu...
> On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Merek Fart wrote:
>
> > To answer your pathetic question, yes in fact I do know where you can
receive a
> > Ph.D. in one month. You can receive one from any respectable institution of
> > higher learning. Harvard, Yale, Oxford, all offer speed courses to quick
Ph.D.s
> > using life experience as partial credit. If you are interested only in an
MBA as
>
>
>
> Ah, he must mean the HONORARY Ph.D., of course. Yes, if your life
> experience includes winning a Nobel prize, stopping a war, leading a
> revolution, or writing a great novel, you might in fact be able to trade
> that life experience for a doctorate. I believe the great bluegrass banjo
> player Ralph Stanley was awared an honorary Ph.D. by the University of
> Tennessee (?) a few years ago. Ralph signed a picture for me at a concert
> in Davis, California in 1997, as "Doctor Ralph Stanley." He got a big
> kick out of that, as did I.
>
> In all seriousness, I challenge Mr. Fart (!) to give us a URL for the
> webpage on Harvard's site where they explain how to get a Harvard Ph.D. in
> a month. As a Harvard A.B., and the son of Harvard Ph.D.'s, I'd like
> to know. I say it's bull.
>
> See? I can post on something other than GU.
>
> AF
>
>
>
John Bear
<Pine.GSO.4.10.990830...@ciao.cc.columbia.edu>, "A. Fox"
<aa...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> Ah, he must mean the HONORARY Ph.D., of course. Yes, if your life
> experience includes winning a Nobel prize, stopping a war, leading a
> revolution, or writing a great novel, you might in fact be able to trade
> that life experience for a doctorate.
But untold thousands have traded nothing more than a signed check, or a
celebrity gig at the graduation ceremony.
Drygoods merchant Isaac Wolfson ("The J. C. Penney of England") gave 10
million pounds to Cambridge. They gave him an honorary doctorate. Then he
gave 10 million to Oxford. They did the same. George Baker gave a new
building to Harvard. They made him a Doctor of Laws. And so it has gone,
with prestigious universities handing out honoraries to the likes of Sonny
Bono, Mike Tyson, Captain Kangaroo, Chevy Chase, Dolly Parton, Soupy
Sales, Jerry Lewis, Michael Jackson, Whoopi Goldberg, Don King, and, a
couple of years ago, Kermit the Frog (prompting a graduand to say, "After
five years of hard work, now we have a sock talking at our commencement.
It's kind of upsetting").
The honorary doctorate does permit the holder to call him/herself "Doctor"
and a great many people do so, in absolute seriousness, whether in
business (Edward Land, founder of Polaroid, demanded that he be called
"Doctor" based on his first honorary), or elsewhere (Dr. Billy Graham, the
presidents of at least five state universities, and many many others).
In Bears' Guide, I cite the wonderful quote from the time when Harvard was
notorious for the way they handed out honorary degrees. Baron von Steuben,
as his troops in the revolutionary war were approaching Cambridge, urged
them to ride through town "like the devil, for if they catch you, they
make a doctor of you."
Larry McQueary
We'll forgive you this trespass... just this once.
Larry
A. Fox <aa...@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.10.99083...@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu...
> On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, John Bear wrote:
>
> > with prestigious universities handing out honoraries to the likes of Sonny
> > Bono, Mike Tyson, Captain Kangaroo, Chevy Chase, Dolly Parton, Soupy
> > Sales, Jerry Lewis, Michael Jackson, Whoopi Goldberg, Don King, and, a
> > couple of years ago, Kermit the Frog (prompting a graduand to say, "After
> > five years of hard work, now we have a sock talking at our commencement.
> > It's kind of upsetting").
>
>
>
> True enough. I would argue that Dolly Parton deserves an honorary degree
> however. I've thought about nominating her for Columbia's annual handout
> party. She's a great American artist.
>
> AF
>
>
>
>
Garwim
Ph.D. Fraud flamewar is over* thread is ironically one of the longest theads
I've ever seen!
-G
gar...@earthlink.net
(Signature under permanent construction)
Kevin Stewart
Larry McQueary wrote in message
>Aaron,
>
>We'll forgive you this trespass... just this once.
>
>Larry
>
What trespass? They're honorary, ergo worthless & legally illegitimate.
Or does that apply to Religious Honorary, (starting after the seularization
of Harvard, Princeton Yale &co.)?
Or is it a question of HOW MUCH one pays? How much hoopla the College or
University gets? School Accreditation Committee? Just where is the the
august line drawn & by what notable worthy?
Sorry for putting in my $0.05. Inflation you know.
-the ghoti, D.D. (& loving it!)
P.S. Steve, We await your return at a.r.U-l. Good to know you don't have so
different a life, after all! 8~ )
Larry McQueary
My, aren't are you the righteous one? ;-) I was referring to the Dolly Parton
comment.
Larry
Kevin Stewart <ke...@jacksonmi.com> wrote in message
news:rslnlf...@corp.supernews.com...
Derek Smart
<blah...@blahetka.com> wrote:
>For something supposedly over- this seems to continue to be breathing.
hehe, I was just wondering the same thing. :)
Derek Smart, Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.bc3000ad.com
"It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
Derek Smart
wrote:
>I'm not exactly sure what this is about (love those filters!), but this *The
>Ph.D. Fraud flamewar is over* thread is ironically one of the longest theads
>I've ever seen!
>
You should get out more. Right now, I'm looking at a thread that has
peaked 405 posts.
Merek Fart
are you? You need to get out more. Personally I so much time pouring over
newsgroups reading pointless threads, I hardly have any time to work on Crap
v5.8. If you were a big important, world famous game designer like me, maybe you
would have seen longer threads. But then that's where the differences between MY
life experiences and those of others around me come into play. That's precisely
why I am able to qualify for a Ph.D. within a month.
Actually, I just spoke to my lawyers and they received word from my contact at
the FBI that MIT is now offering me a 13 day speed diploma in Artificial Game
Development. The degree is being offered FREE of charge based on my life
experiences, and all I have to do is come in for a 2 hour seminar and explain the
finer points of my AI kernel. The joke is on them though since there's NO WAY
that the simpletons at MIT will be able to grasp my sophisticated use of neural
nets.
In any case, you need to expand your limited horizons and explore deeper into the
geek subculture of the Internet. Until then...
Whatever.
*plonk*
Merek Fart, M.D.
Recliner/Lead Enveloper
The Badgame Saga
www.freezebug.com
"It's not everyone smelling me and my bum that bothers me.
It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
jackyo
Derek Smart wrote in message <37ce1438...@news.mindspring.com>...
>>
>>Derek - do you have any info to offer up on how I can get one in a month
>>using work experiences? I would appreciate it.
>
>Nope. Last I checked, FSU (I think) had an 8 month program I think.
>There are several DL institutions that do them. Ask Larry, he might
>know more than I would.
>
>You were quoting what I said about getting a 'second' Ph.D. (which I
>am still considering, as it so happens) and with my current DL one and
>all my work (which is mostly based on research), I was thinking of
>doing another, to satisfy the US requirements, in something akin to
>'The Mathematics of AI in Computer Games'. I've developed a lot of
>kick-ass AI over the years and since BC3K still has, arguably, the
>best AI engine in the industry, I feel that I could breeze through it
>in under a year or so. I've been inquiring at the Uni's down here but
>I haven't made up my mind yet on where to go. Being in FTL, I am
>surrounded by Unis, I just have to pick one that suits my purpose.
>With this one, I could publish my disertation because it would mostly
>contain stuff that I don't mind sharing, unlike my critical and
>proprietary AI kernels used in my games and in which, given the
>industry I work in, have no intentions of sharing. Heck, even my code
>is all registered copyrighted and trademarked and I elected for the
>minimal submission method so that someone won't gain access to it.. I
>plan on applying for a patent (already have all the paperwork) on
>AILOG, my AI kernel sometime next year and I think I'll get it.
Any chance you will release portions of your thesis <your original one> for
interested people to read? I bet that some real AI diehards would be VERY
interested.
jackyo
Merek Fart <"mfart"@pobox.com> wrote in message ...
>
>To answer your pathetic question, yes in fact I do know where you can
receive a
>Ph.D. in one month. You can receive one from any respectable institution of
>higher learning. Harvard, Yale, Oxford, all offer speed courses to quick
Ph.D.s
>using life experience as partial credit. If you are interested only in an
MBA as
>your post would seem to indicate, you can in fact qualify for such a degree
in
>less than a week.
ROFLMAO <# 2000> !
>www.freezebug.com
>
>"It's not everyone smelling me and my bum that bothers me.
>It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
>
>jackyo wrote:
>
>> Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
>> >Well, as you may have guessed, there are no credible, accredited MBAs to
be
>> had
>> >in a month.
>> >
>> >There are over 100 accredited MBA programs available at a distance, many
of
>> >which have flexible scheduling and delivery media, but it would take you
AT
>> >LEAST 9 months to a year of FULL TIME STUDY to complete the majority of
>> them.
>> >
>> >Any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous. Any school that promises
an
>> MBA
>> >or PhD in a month is a diploma-mill.
>> >
>>
>> Too bad. I really would have enjoyed getting one in a month.
>>
>> Derek - do you have any info to offer up on how I can get one in a month
>> using work experiences? I would appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks
>
Allan Parent
<<I've developed a lot of
kick-ass AI over the years and since BC3K still has, arguably, the
best AI engine in the industry, >>
I think you would get an argument over that line.
Allan
Larry McQueary
>
> >
> >Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
> >>Well, as you may have guessed, there are no credible, accredited MBAs to be
> >had
> >>in a month.
> >>
> >>There are over 100 accredited MBA programs available at a distance, many of
> >>which have flexible scheduling and delivery media, but it would take you AT
> >>LEAST 9 months to a year of FULL TIME STUDY to complete the majority of
> >them.
> >>
> >>Any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous. Any school that promises an
> >MBA
> >>or PhD in a month is a diploma-mill.
> >>
> >
> >Too bad. I really would have enjoyed getting one in a month.
> >
> >Derek - do you have any info to offer up on how I can get one in a month
> >using work experiences? I would appreciate it.
>
> There are several DL institutions that do them. Ask Larry, he might
> know more than I would.
>
> You were quoting what I said about getting a 'second' Ph.D. (which I
> am still considering, as it so happens) and with my current DL one and
> all my work (which is mostly based on research), I was thinking of
> doing another, to satisfy the US requirements, in something akin to
> kick-ass AI over the years and since BC3K still has, arguably, the
> in under a year or so. I've been inquiring at the Uni's down here but
I'll warn you in advance that this is not possible. Though I've gained a great
appreciation for your will-power and tenacity in the last 48 hours, it is simply
not possible for procedural reasons to get a Ph.D. from a regionally accredited
institution in less than 2-3 years, minimum.
[ snip ]
Larry
Kevin Stewart
Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
>
>My, aren't are you the righteous one? ;-) I was referring to the Dolly
Parton
>comment.
>
>Larry
>
I'm confused, [like, ya think??]. Are you for or against "Dr." Dolly?
It's not off-topic! It's Educational!!
- the ghoti
Quatoria, er, BrotherGrimm, er, Nevermind...
posts in it, that I can see right now. Heh.
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:02:57 GMT, dsm...@pobox.com (Derek Smart)
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:36:02 -0700, "Garwim" <gar...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>I'm not exactly sure what this is about (love those filters!), but this *The
>>Ph.D. Fraud flamewar is over* thread is ironically one of the longest theads
>>I've ever seen!
>>
>
>You should get out more. Right now, I'm looking at a thread that has
>peaked 405 posts.
>
>Derek Smart, Ph.D.
>Designer/Lead Developer
>The Battlecruiser Series
>www.bc3000ad.com
>
>"It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
>It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
--
And when the hourglass has run out, the hourglass of temporality,
when the noise of secular life has grown silent and its restless or
ineffectual activism has come to an end, when everything around you
is still, as it is in eternity, then eternity asks you and every
individual in these millions and millions about only one thing:
whether you have lived in despair or not.
-- Soren Kierkegaard,
"The Sickness Unto Death"
Bill Huffman
of satire that is available when following the PhD Fraud Flame War. mfart
seems to be satirizing actual statements made by Mr. Smart. So please don't
try and take this seriously. I apologize if this causes anyone to blow soda
out of their nose. (The normal warning when reading the flame war posts.)
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:09:04 -0700, Merek Fart <"mfart"@pobox.com (Merek
Fart)> wrote:
>Listen detractors, I don't have time to play your petty games. Don't you
>understand, I am busy *working*, ensuring that future versions of Crap live up
>to the expectations of my extensive fanbase. While you are all hanging out in
>this forum, "cleverly" bashing me for lack of anything better to do, I am
>sitting at home counting the money from my royalty payments. According to
>Interplay, Crap v4.1 has become one of the most profitable games in company
>history.
>
>To answer your pathetic question, yes in fact I do know where you can receive a
>Ph.D. in one month. You can receive one from any respectable institution of
>higher learning. Harvard, Yale, Oxford, all offer speed courses to quick Ph.D.s
>using life experience as partial credit. If you are interested only in an MBA as
>
>your post would seem to indicate, you can in fact qualify for such a degree in
>less than a week. Again, this depends on the type of life experience you have
>under your belt. I am basing these time requirements for graduation on *my
>personal life experiences*. If your life experiences vary from my own, so too
>will the length of time required for graduation. Obviously. This is all very
>elementary, and in truth I shouldn't have to *waste my time* explaining this to
>you in this forum. If you are interested in receiving a speed diploma, you
>should be contacting the registrar's office at the institution of your choice.
>
>In the meantime I suggest you find something better to do with your time. There
>are enough people here who get fun and enjoyment from the Crap that I have spent
>
>the last decade of my life working on. If you don't enjoy Crap, move on. No one
>wants you here. If you choose to remain and keep up this relentless harassment,
>I will be forced to turn your name over to the FBI. Do not tempt me, I have
>taken this action in the past and the results have been swift and serious.
>
>For now, all I have to say is:
>
>Whatever.
>
>*plonk*
>
>Merek Fart, M.D.
>Recliner/Lead Enveloper
>The Badgame Saga
>www.freezebug.com
>
>"It's not everyone smelling me and my bum that bothers me.
>It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
>
>jackyo wrote:
>
>> Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
>> >Well, as you may have guessed, there are no credible, accredited MBAs to be
>> had
>> >in a month.
>> >
>> >There are over 100 accredited MBA programs available at a distance, many of
>> >which have flexible scheduling and delivery media, but it would take you AT
>> >LEAST 9 months to a year of FULL TIME STUDY to complete the majority of
>> them.
>> >
>> >Any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous. Any school that promises an
>> MBA
>> >or PhD in a month is a diploma-mill.
>> >
>>
>> Too bad. I really would have enjoyed getting one in a month.
>>
>> Derek - do you have any info to offer up on how I can get one in a month
>> using work experiences? I would appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks
Larry McQueary
of her contribution to music. ;-)
Larry
Kevin Stewart <ke...@jacksonmi.com> wrote in message
news:rsmg8n...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
Ed Bain
in msg <7qem9j$68c$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"Garwim" <gar...@earthlink.net> said :
>The Ph.D. Fraud flamewar is over* thread is ironically one of the longest theads
>I've ever seen!
>
Well Garwim, sometimes when you catch a big fish, it struggles and
struggles before you finally get it to the boat.
Derek Smart
wrote:
>Any chance you will release portions of your thesis <your original one> for
>interested people to read? I bet that some real AI diehards would be VERY
>interested.
Depends on how much I can divulge and not declare years of hard work
to be public domain.
Derek Smart, Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.bc3000ad.com
"It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
Derek Smart
<Termin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'll warn you in advance that this is not possible. Though I've gained a great
>appreciation for your will-power and tenacity in the last 48 hours, it is simply
>not possible for procedural reasons to get a Ph.D. from a regionally accredited
>institution in less than 2-3 years, minimum.
We'll see.
Ralph Wesseling
> >interested people to read? I bet that some real AI diehards would be VERY
> >interested.
>
> Depends on how much I can divulge and not declare years of hard work
> to be public domain.
>
If D Smart ever wrote a PhD thesis then it should be available through the
universities library catalog. So all he needs to do is provide the name
of the university where he went to and then you can all just log into the
library computer to bring up his thesis. Also any decent thesis should
contain a few chapters that are published in international journals (going
from my own experience). If he has had anything published in decent
journals then it should be pretty easy to get hold of. But from what I
hear, it is possible tobasicly buy a piece of paper to say you done a PhD
without ever having to graft for it.
(soon to be on the 14 of Sep)
Dr R Wesseling
Stuart Park
> I'll warn you in advance that this is not possible. Though I've gained a
> great appreciation for your will-power and tenacity in the last 48 hours, it
> is simply not possible for procedural reasons to get a Ph.D. from a
> regionally accredited institution in less than 2-3 years, minimum.
I remember reading the regulations for Masters and Ph.D. degrees from
the university where I got my B.Sc. from a few years ago, and it had
a regulation of a minimum of 2 years for a Ph.D. plus a requirement
that the thesis is either published or able to be published. Also,
I knew a few Ph.D. students and my understanding is that it is rare
for people to be able to get a Ph.D. in the minimum 2 year period.
It usually takes a lot longer.
I have great respect for people who obtain these sorts of
qualifications..
and frauds like Derek Smart disgust me.
PJL
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>
> Derek, these are interesting claims that you make... you say you think you could
> get a Ph.D. from an accredited university in about a month or so if you wanted
> to?
>
> Do you realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
He also once said he could get a million dollars just by doing some
paperwork.
I wonder if the two are related?
Could there be a College out there with a Derek Smart Annex to the
vending machine building?
Karl Mathias
Ed Bain wrote in message <37ce5a45...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:36:02 -0700,
>in msg <7qem9j$68c$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>"Garwim" <gar...@earthlink.net> said :
>
>>The Ph.D. Fraud flamewar is over* thread is ironically one of the longest
theads
>>I've ever seen!
>>
>
>Well Garwim, sometimes when you catch a big fish, it struggles and
>struggles before you finally get it to the boat.
>
>--
I think it was in Alaska that 3 commercial fishermen were killed when a
300lb halibut got loose after being hauled into the boat.
Just a thought. :-)
Larry McQueary
> On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:37:15 GMT, "Larry McQueary"
>
>
> >I'll warn you in advance that this is not possible. Though I've gained a
great
> >appreciation for your will-power and tenacity in the last 48 hours, it is
simply
> >not possible for procedural reasons to get a Ph.D. from a regionally
accredited
> >institution in less than 2-3 years, minimum.
>
Indeed, you will. ;-)
Larry
Larry McQueary
> On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Larry McQueary wrote:
>
> > I would gladly favor an honorary doctorate, but it would not be in
recognition
> > of her contribution to music. ;-)
> >
> > Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> AF
>
> (who actually thinks Dolly Parton is a singular artist whose contribution
> to American song is not yet fully appreciated)
Indeed.
Larry
br...@cnetech.com
br...@cnetech.com
>>appreciation for your will-power and tenacity in the last 48 hours, it is simply
>>not possible for procedural reasons to get a Ph.D. from a regionally accredited
>>institution in less than 2-3 years, minimum.
>
>We'll see.
Derek,
I have absolutely *no* doubt that you could gain undergraduate credit
for your work experience from several regionally accredited
institutions. However, there is *no* way you'll parlay this
experience into a regionally accredited Ph.D. It will not happen.
I have a suggestion. If you sincerely want to obtain a legitimate
doctorate, take a look at the University of South Africa (UNISA). You
could probably make arrangements to pursue a research doctorate in
computer science from this institution.
http://osprey.unisa.ac.za/calendar/postgrad.phtml
If my memory serves me correctly, several UNISA comp sci faculty are
currently researching neural nets. It should be feasible to work out
a very interesting distance learning research arrangement in this
area. You would be killing two birds with one stone. You would earn
a legitimate doctorate, and you'd have the opportunity to undertake
further research in your area of interest (AI, neural nets).
Oh, by the way, UNISA tuition is extraordinarily cheap for U.S.
students (due to the favorable dollar-to-rand exchange rate). They're
cheaper than many degree mills, and unlike those mills, a UNISA
doctorate is worth significantly more than the paper on which it is
printed. Good luck.
Mike B
br...@cnetech.com
John Bear
<Pine.GSO.4.10.990831...@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>, "A.
Fox" <aa...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> The I presume you would in fact favor TWO honorary doctorates . . . .
Yes. One for music, of course, and the other for business: Dollywood, her
entertainment complex near Gatlinburg, Tennessee, is apparently a great
financial success and truly a wonder of the ages, kitschwise. I still
treasure my opportunity to see the Buford Pusser death car.
John Bear, who got to hang out in
Nashville for 2 years while his wife was doing
her PhD coursework at Vanderbilt
Jimmy Chan
wrote:
>Derek Smart wrote:
>
>
><<I've developed a lot of
>kick-ass AI over the years and since BC3K still has, arguably, the
>best AI engine in the industry, >>
>
>
>I think you would get an argument over that line.
What argument? No one believes the a scam artist like the PhD Fraud
anyway. Everyone knows that BC3K has no 'Neural Net AI', he couldn't
even prove it to the reviewers first time around. Ever since the hype
and scams of BC3K V1.0, the PhD Fraud has been remarkedly been quiet
on claiming of any 'Neural Net AI' in BC3K V2.0.
Derek Smart
wrote:
>> >Any chance you will release portions of your thesis <your original one> for
>> >interested people to read? I bet that some real AI diehards would be VERY
>> >interested.
>>
>> Depends on how much I can divulge and not declare years of hard work
>> to be public domain.
>>
>he is so funny.
>
>If D Smart ever wrote a PhD thesis then it should be available through the
>universities library catalog. So all he needs to do is provide the name
>of the university where he went to and then you can all just log into the
>library computer to bring up his thesis. Also any decent thesis should
>contain a few chapters that are published in international journals (going
>from my own experience). If he has had anything published in decent
>journals then it should be pretty easy to get hold of. But from what I
>hear, it is possible tobasicly buy a piece of paper to say you done a PhD
>without ever having to graft for it.
>
>
>(soon to be on the 14 of Sep)
>Dr R Wesseling
Then you know *nothing* about the process soon-to-be-almost Dr. R
Wesseling.
Derek Smart
Hey, thanks Mike, I'll check it out!!
Riboflavin
>>I have a suggestion. If you sincerely want to obtain a legitimate
>>doctorate, take a look at the University of South Africa (UNISA). You
>>could probably make arrangements to pursue a research doctorate in
>>computer science from this institution.
[snip]
>Hey, thanks Mike, I'll check it out!!
Sounds like an admission that he doesn't have a legitimate doctorate to
me...
--
Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
Remove the pants from my email address to reply
"Ever see Tremors? See when the worm chomped on the tire when it thought
it was going to get the hero? That's because worms don't know it's not
Kevin Bacon." - China Blue
jackyo
Derek Smart wrote in message <37cc713c...@news.mindspring.com>...
>
>
>>Any chance you will release portions of your thesis <your original one>
for
>>interested people to read? I bet that some real AI diehards would be VERY
>>interested.
>
>Depends on how much I can divulge and not declare years of hard work
>to be public domain.
>
well, how bout it?
jackyo
br...@cnetech.com wrote in message <37cc0ce...@news.cnetech.com>...
>Derek,
>
>I have absolutely *no* doubt that you could gain undergraduate credit
>for your work experience from several regionally accredited
>institutions. However, there is *no* way you'll parlay this
>experience into a regionally accredited Ph.D. It will not happen.
>
But in the UK they *DO* award distance PHD's from accreddited schools for
work experience. Derek claims to have received one.
Why don't they do it in the US as well?
PJL
>
> Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
> >
> >What was the method by which you received credit for your work experience?
> How
> >was it evaluated?
> >
> >Also, where are your undergraduate and (presumably?) graduate degrees from?
> >
>
> Good questions, I would be curious as to how this works. I am considering
> going for an MBA, and would LOVE it if I could use work experience and get
> one in a month like Derek says is possible.
Are you serious?
I think you might be able to get an MBA in a month-- a month of sundays.
Don't know what your undergrad background was, but I think NJIT has a
weekend program for Technical managment MBA's. You gotta do something
like 12h of classes over sat and sun or something like that. You're in
NYC right? I'm sure many schools have programs like this if you dont
want to schlep out to new joisy.
Chuck
Derek Smart wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:04:25 +0200, ra...@psy.vu.nl (Ralph Wesseling)
> wrote:
>
> >> >Any chance you will release portions of your thesis <your original one> for
> >> >interested people to read? I bet that some real AI diehards would be VERY
> >> >interested.
> >>
> >> Depends on how much I can divulge and not declare years of hard work
> >> to be public domain.
> >>
> >he is so funny.
> >
> >If D Smart ever wrote a PhD thesis then it should be available through the
> >universities library catalog. So all he needs to do is provide the name
> >of the university where he went to and then you can all just log into the
> >library computer to bring up his thesis. Also any decent thesis should
> >contain a few chapters that are published in international journals (going
> >from my own experience). If he has had anything published in decent
> >journals then it should be pretty easy to get hold of. But from what I
> >hear, it is possible tobasicly buy a piece of paper to say you done a PhD
> >without ever having to graft for it.
> >
> >
> >(soon to be on the 14 of Sep)
> >Dr R Wesseling
>
> Then you know *nothing* about the process soon-to-be-almost Dr. R
> Wesseling.
>
I bet he'll tell us where its from. How about you?? Fraud.
John Bear
> But in the UK they *DO* award distance PHD's from accreddited schools for
> work experience. Derek claims to have received one.
No, they most emphatically do not. About 30 UK universities offer research
doctorates, with no course work required -- just research plus a
dissertation. The residency can be short (by negotiation). But the
absolute minimum time required is two years, usually much longer.
John Bear, Ph.D. (Michigan State University, 1966)
who was the FBI's consultant on diploma mills
for thirteen years
http://www.degree.net
--
John Bear, Ph.D. (Michigan State University, 1966)
Co-Author, Bears' Guide (13th edition) described
at http://www.degree.net, and sold at www.amazon.com
or www.bn.com, bookstores, and www.tenspeed.com.
Derek Smart
wrote:
>
>br...@cnetech.com wrote in message <37cc0ce...@news.cnetech.com>...
>>Derek,
>>
>>I have absolutely *no* doubt that you could gain undergraduate credit
>>for your work experience from several regionally accredited
>>institutions. However, there is *no* way you'll parlay this
>>experience into a regionally accredited Ph.D. It will not happen.
>>
>
>But in the UK they *DO* award distance PHD's from accreddited schools for
>work experience. Derek claims to have received one.
That information is false jackYo. Why do I have to *keep* telling you
to stop making stuff up? At least, for crying out loud, at least try
to keep up.
jackyo
Derek Smart wrote in message <37ce72a6...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:45:29 -0400, "jackyo" <jack...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>br...@cnetech.com wrote in message <37cc0ce...@news.cnetech.com>...
>>>Derek,
>>>
>>>I have absolutely *no* doubt that you could gain undergraduate credit
>>>for your work experience from several regionally accredited
>>>institutions. However, there is *no* way you'll parlay this
>>>experience into a regionally accredited Ph.D. It will not happen.
>>>
>>
>>But in the UK they *DO* award distance PHD's from accreddited schools for
>>work experience. Derek claims to have received one.
>
>That information is false jackYo. Why do I have to *keep* telling you
>to stop making stuff up? At least, for crying out loud, at least try
>to keep up.
>
??????????????????
Didn't you tell us exactly this????
Here is the post, from 2 days ago :
Derek Smart wrote :
>
>I think Derek Smart got his Ph.D. from a distance learning school,
>(as he said) and received credit for 'life experience' (as he said).
"'work experience' that is. I was working 'in the industry' while
studying and therefore had a lot of experience. I don't have a clue
what 'life experience' entails, so, if they mean the same thing, then,
ignore me."
I am not making anything up Derek - I am giving you the benefit of the doubt
and actually BELIEVING what you wrote 2 days ago is true !
So, if you didn't mean in the above post that you received credit for work
experiences, what exactly did you mean? Someone said you got credit for
'life' experience - you corrected him and said it was WORK experience you
got credit for.
Furthermore, you told us first you could get another PHD in a month based on
existing work experiences, then you changed this to 8 months. So you
definitely seem to be saying that your work experiences count towards your
PHD.
Am i missing something here? Anyone else disagree with me re: this?
Thanks
jackyo
John Bear wrote in message ...
>"jackyo" <jack...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> But in the UK they *DO* award distance PHD's from accreddited schools for
>> work experience. Derek claims to have received one.
>
>doctorates, with no course work required -- just research plus a
>dissertation. The residency can be short (by negotiation). But the
>absolute minimum time required is two years, usually much longer.
Dr. Bear, I appreciate the post.
Derek, I do not know how you plan on reconciling this. Here is what Derek
said :
>
>I think Derek Smart got his Ph.D. from a distance learning school,
>(as he said) and received credit for 'life experience' (as he said).
'work experience' that is. I was working 'in the industry' while
studying and therefore had a lot of experience. I don't have a clue
what 'life experience' entails, so, if they mean the same thing, then,
ignore me.
Dr Bear, is it possible also to get a fully accreddited PHD in 8 months?
Some have said here it is.
Thanks
Also, can you fill us in on the details of thesis suppression? There have
been MANY arguments here about the validity of having your thesis suppressed
to protect your copyrighted computer code. I have absolutely no idea how
this works, and would appreciate the enlightenment.
jackyo
PJL <"do$feratu"@m$n.com> wrote in message
<7qj7c9$ibr$1...@phxtst22.phx1.aro.allied.com>...
I am a wharton undergraduate, 1987. Have worked for Goldman Sachs, Bear
Stearns, and Merrill Lynch. Have owned a small percentage of several
businesses, the most profitable being a small ISP. Have co-written 2
articles for the Harvard Business Review on uses of technology in business,
while I was working as a consultant. Neither was used, unfortunately, but
they still might be in the future.
See, I didn;t think it was possible either - but Derek told us it was, so I
was hoping !
John Bear
> Some have said here it is.
The key issue: What is "fully accredited"? There are almost as many fake
accrediting agencies as there are fake schools. More than fifty are listed
in my book. So when a school (or a graduate) says, "fully accredited," the
next question must be "by whom?" There is a concept called GAAP, Generally
Accepted Accreditation Principals, which most registrars, admissions
officers, and human resource people use. (I list the criteria at the end
of this post.)
The answer: It is not possible, by any schools *published rules*, to get a
GAAP Ph.D. in 8 months or less.
The weasel: "Published rules." There is a chapter in my book called
"Bending the Rules," because it is the case that they are bent all the
time. If Stephen Hawking rolled into Princeton and said, in effect, "Here
is what I have done; I'd like a Ph.D. by next Tuesday, please," might they
find a way to make it happen? I don't know.
> Also, can you fill us in on the details of thesis suppression? There have
> been MANY arguments here about the validity of having your thesis suppressed
> to protect your copyrighted computer code. I have absolutely no idea how
> this works, and would appreciate the enlightenment.
I've read all the 1999 postings in alt.games.bc3000ad, with much interest.
In the 25 years I've been researching and writing about this stuff, I've
heard of three cases, all comparable, where the very fact of the degree
could have had terrible consequences for either the scholar or the school
(such as the Jew who completed a not-Nazi-friendly dissertation at
Heidelberg in the mid 1930s). But in all those cases, it was the very
*fact* of the existence of the thesis and the degree that was suppressed.
In no case did the student say, in effect, "I've got the degree, but I
won't tell you whre it is from."
I can conceive of a situation (although I have never heard of one) in
which proprietary information is contained in a dissertation, and thus
those data might be excluded from the published version. (What University
Microfilms does is called "publishing." They generally do not accept works
from non-GAAP schools.) But the concept of someone saying (a) I have a
Ph.D., and (b) I can't (not won't, but can't) tell you where it is from,
is unique in my experience.
I guess if it were essential to me to get to the bottom of this, I'd
propose the academic equivalent of arbitration. The degree-holder and the
skeptic agree on choosing an impartial analyst, utterly trustworthy, sworn
to secrecy, who would examine the work in question, and say nothing more
than "I have seen it; it is as the author claims." (Or "not" as the case
may be) And, using arbitration rules, if the degree-holder and the skeptic
cannot agree on such a person, they each appoint one, and those two agree
on a third, majority vote rules.
John Bear, Ph.D. (Michigan State U., 1966)
Diploma mill consultant to the FBI, 1979-1992
Author, Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees Nontraditionally
(more than 400,000 copies in print)
-------------------------
GAAP (Generally Accepted Accreditation Principles)
A school that meets any one of these would be GAAP:
1. Listed in the International Handbook of Universities (UNESCO).
2. Listed in the Commonwealth Universities Yearbook.
3. Accredited by an agency recognized by the Council on Higher Education
Accreditation in Washington.
4. Accredited by an agency recognized by the U.S. Dept. of of Education.
5. Listed in the World Education Series, published by PIER, the Project in
International Education Research (a consortium of many agencies).
6. Listed by NOOSR, the Australian National Office on Overseas Skills
Recognition.
In case it is relevant, Kennedy-Western University meets none of the above.
Jan Knutar
>He also once said he could get a million dollars just by doing some
>paperwork.
Sounds like spam.
-JK
PJL
Actually, no. He would write:
Dear Mom,
Please send $1,000,000.
And some clean socks.
Nai-Chi Lee
John Bear <jo...@ursa.net> wrote:
...
>I can conceive of a situation (although I have never heard of one) in
>which proprietary information is contained in a dissertation, and thus
>those data might be excluded from the published version.
Hi Dr. Bear,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always have the understanding that all
intellectual properties contained in my Ph.D. disseration is the property
of my University. That is, they reserve the rights to get rich from it.
So it is not up to me to suppress its publication, even if it did contain
proprietary information on an revolutionary (*caugh*) neural net AI.
>... But the concept of someone saying (a) I have a
>Ph.D., and (b) I can't (not won't, but can't) tell you where it is from,
>is unique in my experience.
Sure it is possible! You see, I _can't_ tell you where I got this Ph.D.
diploma from because... because I've lost my cash receipt and so I can't
find its mailing address any more. Yeah, that's it.
>I guess if it were essential to me to get to the bottom of this, I'd
>propose the academic equivalent of arbitration. The degree-holder and the
>skeptic agree on choosing an impartial analyst, utterly trustworthy, sworn
>to secrecy, who would examine the work in question, and say nothing more
>than "I have seen it; it is as the author claims." (Or "not" as the case
>may be)
Personally, I'll be glad to chip in $50 just to see the above happen, as
such an arbitration will finally end this boring Ph.D. fraud thread. But
somehow I suspect my money is safe, because any person who is a fraud
will never agree to do it. So, anybody wants to bet $50 on whether this
will happen?
;-)
--
Nai-Chi Lee, Ph.D. (SUNY Stony Brook)
P.S. I just dropped in to check out the JA2 posts, really!
DAKTARI!
Jan Knutar <j.k.@gotmail.com> wrote in message
news:37ce7548....@news.kolumbus.fi...
> On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:06:53 -0400, PJL <"do$feratu"@m$n.com> wrote:
>
> >He also once said he could get a million dollars just by doing some
> >paperwork.
>
> Sounds like spam.
Actually, I wish that he would have said more about that paperwork. I would
not mind one bit doing some of that paperwork myself.......
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
Allan Parent
>
> >I guess if it were essential to me to get to the bottom of this, I'd
> >propose the academic equivalent of arbitration. The degree-holder and the
> >skeptic agree on choosing an impartial analyst, utterly trustworthy, sworn
> >to secrecy, who would examine the work in question, and say nothing more
> >than "I have seen it; it is as the author claims." (Or "not" as the case
> >may be)
>
> Personally, I'll be glad to chip in $50 just to see the above happen, as
> such an arbitration will finally end this boring Ph.D. fraud thread. But
> somehow I suspect my money is safe, because any person who is a fraud
> will never agree to do it. So, anybody wants to bet $50 on whether this
> will happen?
> ;-)
I will through in my $50. I will never happen. It is far too sane and
rational concept.
Allan
Derek Smart
<snip>
>I can conceive of a situation (although I have never heard of one) in
>which proprietary information is contained in a dissertation, and thus
>those data might be excluded from the published version. (What University
>Microfilms does is called "publishing." They generally do not accept works
>from non-GAAP schools.) But the concept of someone saying (a) I have a
>Ph.D., and (b) I can't (not won't, but can't) tell you where it is from,
>is unique in my experience.
<snip>
very true but for you to fully understand the circumstances with Bill
Huffman, you'd have to go far back to '96. It is not an issue of 'I'm
not just telling', its an issue of, I'm not telling him or anyone who
don't have a right to know. Period.
Without going into any lengthy discussion, I will repost something I
responded to a few mins ago.
==============
>O.K., Derek, is your degree from a school that is accredited by
>a recognized accreditation body? Thanks.
Didn't I say that I wasn't going to participate anymore? Didn't you
guys tell me to piss or get off the pot? Thats what I'm doing. No
threats, no explanations, no conjecture, nada. I'll just what I have
to do and all you desktop attorney's can pick up the pieces when I'm
done. Win or lose, the consequence will be felt between Bill and I.
One thing I know is that I *am* bringing a civil suit against Bill
Huffman as I've said. He has had several chances to take the site down
and leave me a lone, he hasn't. Over the years, I'd threatened it but
didn't do anything because I didn't realize how much of a psycho he
was and how far I'd have to go. My mistake. Further, there was a time
when I stopped said action (when my NY attorney, who did contact Bill)
thinking Bill would pack up and go home (you all have seen the post
traffic on that), he didn't. A few months ago, I re-kindled my action
and as I've said before, it is not as clear an action as you desktop
attorney's would like to believe, further, there is the issue of
jurisdiction, the NCR angle as well as his ISP. It is *not* as clear
and cut as you DAs (desktop attorneys) would like to think. If you
think taking civil action against someone is a simple matter of just
going to court, then there is a lot that you folks do not know or
would rather ignore. I never have and never will work on anyone's
timescale nor bow down to pressure. I will do this in my own time and
based on attorney advice. One thing is certain, Bill, over the years
and regardless of how many changes he has made to his site, has
committed libel, pure and simple. The reason I was pursuing criminal
action was because of the new cases in Internet stalking, something I
also believe that Bill has commited against me. Yes, Internet
stalking, as I understand it, is a criminal offense. Further, he
constantly creates thread after thread after thread, attacking me,
chasing me across groups (stalking?) etc. Every iteration of his site,
every post he makes, everything. They are all archived and catalogued.
It is a lot of stuff to go through.
Now to answer your question: I have said this over and over and over,
'I don't have to answer anyone's questions'. My statements remain as I
originally said them and the first time I told anyone that it was from
a DL institute (something I did only a short while ago I think, after
keeping even that info quiet due to the stigma associated with DL
study programs), I made it *clear* that whether it was accredited or
not, here or in the UK, written on the back of a cereal box or not, it
was valid because it was awarded to me based on course work that I
did. Go look up my posts and find my exact words. In fact, that was
the whole point of me pulling up that KWU marketing blurb to show an
example of how the accreditation process is mis-interpreted. In fact,
when I responded to jackyO and on reading the brochure again, it never
even occured to me (until Bob pointed it out) that the whole
'licensed' stance was used in order to circumvent, perhaps, and
alleviate the stigma associated with a non-accredited (KWU)
institution. I made my points quite clear.
Further, there are those here who *know* the *whole* story because
I've told them in confidence. Therefore, they know that I've remained
constant in my stance. My stance remains the same, I have a valid
Ph.D. and being accredited or not, is totally irrelevant to me. If I
go looking for a job (which is not likely to *ever* happen because I
own my own company and am self-employed as I have been for over 8
years or so) it will up to the employer to assess my skills, my
experience and my knowledge, against the piece of paper that is my
degree. If they ask, I'll tell them. DL was created for folks who do
not have time for a classroom, my career alone, made sure of that. It
is not my fault that the whole premise has been misused illegally and
therefore created the stigma that is now associated with the whole
process. It is on my wall, those, as I've said over and over, who have
been here (publisher, friends, employees etc), know its there and
thats where it will remain. The only time I'm ever going to take it
down is if/when this goes to court and is required by the discovery
process. I don't have to show it to anyone. I don't have to prove it
to anyone. It is not nobody's business but my own.
In a way, I blame myself back when I told Bill that if he went looking
for my degree that the results would be astounding at best. I wasn't
kidding. I told him that he'd *never* find it. It was a bet. He lost.
And rather than leaving it at that, this whole crusade began. Sure, I
may have not be forthcoming with the facts but why should I? I may
have said some things which were not entirely accurate in order to
conceal my own private *and* personal life but who wouldn't? Who in
this group or anywhere else, do I have to answer to? When Bill,
Daktari and all their girlfriends post crap after crap after crap with
*no* factual evidence whatsoever, (remember the Strike Pak deal, the
magazine issue and countless others?) in blatant attempts to continue
to discredit and cause me aggravation, who holds *them* accountable?
This whole farce has *nothing* to do with whether I have a degree or
not because it bears *no* relevance to *anything*. It all stems from
the fact that it is the *only* prod that they *think* is effective
against me. Further, the fact that I continue to make progress, my
game is doing *very* well and I continue to excel at what I do when
all expected me to probably roll over in '96 after Take Two released
my game incompelte and buried me aggravation, burns their butts that
much harder. That, in itself, is my personal victory and I could care
less (as I've proven over the years) what anyone thinks. I'll just go
on doing what I have to do and its going to take more than a few low
self-esteem Usenet kooks to bring me down. I ain't going anywhere.
No matter how many times my attorneys have told me to refrain from
even posting, let alone acknowledging this crap (hence the reason for
me putting all of them in killfilters) I find myself going back
especially when they distort my words and meanings and most especially
think that silence always means consent.
Bill *knows* what he's up against but his ego won't let him back off.
That site *will* get taken down. The law will decide if Bill is at
fault and whether he has commited any crimes, civil or criminal. That
is not for me to decide and issues such as this are a crap shoot.
Either way it will end when either (a) it goes to court or (b) he
takes his site down and leaves me along. No matter how many times he
changes his site to keep up with the discoveries, we have each and
every iteration.
When this is all over, people, will be asking if it was worth it and
it will matter to only Bill and I. All he's ever going to prove to
those who don't know is that I have a Ph.D. and whether it is
accredited or not. Again, only he would know if has been worth the
aggravation to him, who am I to question his sanity. All I know is
that for going on THREE YEARS, he has been harrassing and stalking me,
committing libel on a daily basis and has embarked on a personal
crusade to tarnish my rep for no obvious reason other than his insane
desire to bring me down. I do intend to show him for what he is (to
those who don't already know) a compulsive, obsessive Internet
stalker. He doesn't talk about games (go do a DN search on these
groups and see how many posts, going back 3 years, in which Bill talks
about anything other than Derek Smart) all he is fixated on is Derek
Smart.
I'm certainly no angel and I've had my share of inexcusable behavior
back in the early days, however, some of you, just sit down for a
quiet moment and just think how *you* would feel if someone stalked,
harrassed and tainted your rep for almost THREE YEARS and you see how
you like it.
This, will end and one thing is certain, I won't divulge anything to
anyone.
With that, I'll let you DAs get on with your regularly scheduled
programs.
=============================================
Apart from that, the amount of false statements that are posted in
this group, are just mind boggling. No matter how many times one
killfilters perpertrators, they create a new one in an attempt to
ensure that they are heard.
These are two recent examples, 2 of *several* that have been proven to
be false and just malicious attempts at disruption.
#1
Dakatari, the disgruntled vet of many aliases, upon seeing screen
shots of the first person perspective engine for my game, indicated
that they were from 3DStudio and not from the game. He was vehement in
his defense of same and so, I simply released to the public, an
internal version of that game, that engine, running. In fact, I timed
with the release of a newer version of my product in this press
release of 8/27 and I specifically mentioned it. That was the end of
that discussion.
www.bc3000ad.com/press/pr082799.html
#2
A new alias, love2run, posted this:
>On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:49:57 GMT, mail...@bottom.com (Ed Bain)
>wrote:
>
>
>>Heres my take. I am unclear about it, to tell the truth. The article in question,
>>(I have re-pasted it below) doesn't very clearly state that Derek -claimed- a PhD
>>in 1992. The article was written after 1996, and the only '92 PhD allusion I can
>>find is the statement :
>
>I have a copy of CGW from the early 1990's (most likely 1992) where
>BC3K is featured on the cover. The text clearly states that Smart
>claimed to have a PhD then.
>
>andy
This was also blatantly false and upon several requests from Usenet
participants to post the mag number, article etc, he didn't. I then
posted this:
>Complete and utter bollocks.
>
>First, IF you have it in your hand, how come you can't give the issue
>number and date? Where does 'most likely 1992' come in?
>
>Second, I have *every* magazine that has written about BC3K and I
>subscribe to *every* gaming mag under the sun.
>
>Third, in my hand, is CGW issue #118, May 1994. The first one and
>*only* CGW mag to feature BC3K on the cover. It has a three page
>preview done by Mike Weksler. That same issue rated 100 games and it
>also has the preview of Frontier Elite II by Jeff James.
>
>On paragraph 2 of the first page of the review (page 14), Mike says
>
>"...Derek Smart, Battlecruiser 3000AD's designer, explained it this
>way:"
>
>btw, in that same issue, he says:
>
>"In playing space games over the the last decade, I believe I can
>safely say that Battlecruiser 3000AD won't be a game where the average
>player can boot up and immediately proceed to kick Gammulan butt. Most
>of us will have to scrutinize the manual thoroughly before doing
>anything described in this preview.
>
>Nowhere in that review, was I refered to as Dr. So please, kindly give
>me a mag, issue and date and I'll go dig it up from my archives.
>
>In the very first mag cover appearance, Strategy Plus issue 18 May
>1992, on page 1 of the 3 page review starting on page 16, Brian Walker
>said:
>
>"
>'Gone are the days when a single programmer can sit in his room and
>create all the design, code, artwork, sound and testing to complete a
>product. Today's cutting-edge software product requires a team of
>15-25 specialists working for 12-18 months....'- Wing Commander manual
>notes published by Origin Systems.
>
>Origin Systems has apparently never heard of Derek Smart. Single
>handedly, he's created one of the most startling looking games seen
>for some time. In fact, it would be more accurate to describe
>Battlecruiser 3000AD as a game system."
>
>The first ever mag reference to me as a Dr, was in the Premier issue
>(January 1996) of the now defunct PC Ace magazine in which on page 3
>of a 5 page review starting on page 64, Ed Dille said, in describing
>my determination to complete my project despite my departure from
>Mission Studios and when Take Two Interactive soon after bought the
>rights from MS:
>
>".....this may sound ludicrous to some of you, but it definitely would
>not to anyone who has ever met Dr. Derek Smart, a man of vision,
>passion, integrity and uncompromising standards (who, like all driven
>men, is not without his eccentricities as well). What type of project
>captivates the imagination of a man like Smart so completely that he
>is willing to risk everything to achieve it? Almost as always, and
>that is the case here, it involves doing something that no one has
>ever done before. Step forward now into the universe of Battlecruiser
>3000AD to find out what makes this product unique in the annals of
>gaming."
>
>I had the pleasure of meeting with good old Ed several times over
>those early years and he visited me in Miami to see the earlier BC3K
>and for which he did that preview in that issue.
>
>So, there we are liar. Do keep 'em coming. Continue to prove how
>stupid, misguided and foolish you morons are.
>
>Liar, liar!
#3
Some kid named Louis, was fed personal information about a bankruptcy
that I had filed in order to stave off an action by Amex. He posted
the info here. After taking action against him for that and other
issues related to abuse, stalking etc, which led to the authorities
going to his house, he was gone. He is no longer allowed to even utter
my name or come anywhere near me. Shortly after, Daktari, Huffman and
the other aliases, took a side-track regarding said bankruptcy filing
in fact, *not* know *how* or *why* it was filed, until I, again,
posted the information here and provided the differences between a
Chapter 7 and a Chapter 13.That was the end of that.
When some idiot got a hold of the pic below, one of which shows my
current fiance, it again showed up and turned into a discussion on
race and all that nonsense.
www.bc3000ad.com/images/photo_dsmart1.jpg
www.bc3000ad.com/images/photo_dsmart2.jpg
www.bc3000ad.com/images/photo_dsmart3.jpg
It had gone from one extreme to the next, fueled by Huffman's
onslaught. In fact, a new subject was started in which the poster
request that now that the flame-war was over, it was time to discuss
other parts of my life, lets go find Derek's ex-wife.
After months of harrassment from Daktari, I made the following post
and of course, that sparked another controversy because he then, in a
failed attempt to make it look like I was attacking all vets, tried to
play the poor, hurt vet. Absolute and total bollocks. Of course, while
my response, I admit, was in poor form, you try being in my position
for THREE YEARS, only then will you be able to grasp the reality.
>On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:34:27 -0400, "DAKTARI!"
><noneyo...@mindpsring.com> wrote:
>
>>Mr. Smart,
>
>Man, shut the fuck up. I don't give a toss if you were cargoing rubber
>dog shit out of Iraq. All I know it that you are a despicable piece of
>living tissue who didn't deserve to be in uniform in the first place.
>You made it, got out only so you could park your sorry ass at home,
>collect disability, spread hatred and behave like a moron online.
>Then, you go hide behind this whole 'I'm a vet' bullshit. My cat's a
>vet, he actually crossed the road once, on her own and came home all
>beat up. I love my cat and I don't see her climbing on my keyboard
>boasting bragging rights 'cause she braved the highway. He shouldn't
>have slipped out when I opened the door to take out the garbage in the
>first place.
>
>A 'vet', in the mere sense of the word, is *usually* a *disciplined*
>individual. Someone who is responsible, honorable and just. You, like
>those in the military who beat up on and/or kill gays, ridicule
>minorities, commit crimes and get booted, court-martialed or worse,
>are a reject of society and probably entered the service to get away
>from some real life mishap. There are those who join for duty, for
>honor and for country. You probably joined up for the opportunity, the
>money and in order to have bragging rights....said rights which you
>think you have, based on your Usenet-wide behavior. You have been
>behaving this way for several months, with different aliases, in
>different groups and you are *notorious* for it.
>
>The falsehoods, character assassination diatribes and harrassment that
>you perpertrate, are not the sort of past-time a true vet, who even
>knows what honor is, does. You even *threatened* to kick my ass, you
>sorry sack 'o shit (yes, I still have the post). You just figured that
>I was some lame sap who you could bulldoze in much the same way you
>pull this crap in other groups. Your blatant lies, disregard for facts
>and penchant for outright falsehoods, are not the mark of one who
>knows honor. They are the traits of a *****COWARD******
>
>Lets talk about honor, fuck head. I was once a rich, make that *very*
>rich individual. Still got the quiet and comfortable life and the toys
>to prove it. I sacrificed my life, *my life* for a dream. A dream that
>was pulled from under my feet in one fell swoop of fate. Almost killed
>me. But, forgeting my own selfish needs, I continued to work hard on a
>product that I was *not* getting a *dime* for, in order to get it to
>those who bought a product with my name on it. Without a *dime* in
>income, I buried my life, my time, sacrificed a good consulting
>career, eventually went bankrupt in order to make good on a promise I
>made to people I never met, people whose only stake in my life was a
>piece of software, while a publisher goes scot free. I kept my
>promise. Do you see me going out looking for sympathy or harrassing
>anyone?
>
>But here, I get persecuted, chased, stalked, harrassed, and slandered
>for sport, by assholes like you. I am ridiculed by the likes of you,
>people I wouldn't even speak to in public, let alone converse with
>intellectually. Here, we all meet in the same room and you can feel
>like a *big* guy (albeit a big one-leg and a half guy) because you
>have your friends and cohorts who join in your 'cause' to bring me
>down. All for what? For honor? For duty? For country? Will you settle
>for an apple pie instead, you lousy f*ck?
>
>To you, this is some freaking game, you want to dish out shit but when
>you get your dues, you want to cry foul and hide behind that 'I'm a
>vet' bullshit, demeaning the very notion, for those who truly give
>credence to the term 'vet', not some degenerate like you.
>
>Then you think you can rally support by coming up with this stupid
>speech (Paul, I wish you hadn't sent me this crap via email, 'cause
>I'm really pissed at this moron's gall). Sure, you'll get it, from the
>other crack-heads like you.
>
>Day in and day out, I sit here and pull 26 hour days, working hard to
>get my life and product on track,support my fans and lead a productive
>life and you want to sit your sorry ass at home, behind a computer and
>play your stupid little game with your online girlfriends.
>
>Dude, you and I are cut from different cloths. I didn't go into combat
>but with all my faults and all my own personal shortcomings, I know
>honor, I know duty and I certainly know how my existence serves my
>country. And apart from that, God is above all. You, my friend, are a
>reject, proof of an imbalanced society gone bad hiding behind the
>rights that this land gives us. The free speech rights to harrass
>another and cause them undue aggravation and discomfort...for
>sport..for fun...for kicks; the things you call, honor.
>
>Save your pantsy little speech for someone who gives a shit.
>
>Vet this!
So Dr Bear and you readers in alt.education.distance, this is *not* an
issue that is restricted to academia, it is an excuse by a notorious
stalker and psychopath, to continue a *pointless* crusade that
benefits noone. We've had several Ph.D holders and other
intellectuals, including a professor from Princeton, one of many I
have confided in regarding the status of my degree and who, in this
open forum, said that from what he *knew*, that he would hire me on
the spot if I ever went looking for a job, post here. The farce
continues.
It started off attacking me, then my game, when that went nowhere due
to the progress of the game and for which I have released several
acclaimed versions, the focus continued being on him tarnishing my
rep. Of course, there is the usual mix of detractors, neutrals, and
supporters (who actually know the truth) and therefore, this farce,
continues.
Dr. Bear, I have *no* problem talking to you and telling it *exactly*
as it is because I have zero problems with your credibility. Heck, I
have trusted others here with much less. In fact, I told several
people here that it was a DL degree *long* before anyone knew and they
didn't breathe a word. In fact, Karl Mathias, who is studying for his
Ph.D, recently confirmed this. Anyway, If you so desire, I will speak
with my attorney and you can contact me via email at dsm...@3000ad.com
at your convenience. My concern would be that unless I carry out this
legal action, Bill Huffman will *never* leave me alone because in the
past, he has broken *several* promises to do so and simply continues.
Don't take my word for it, there are those here who know this.
Regards
jackyo
John Bear wrote in message ...
>> Some have said here it is.
>
>The key issue: What is "fully accredited"? There are almost as many fake
>accrediting agencies as there are fake schools. More than fifty are listed
>in my book. So when a school (or a graduate) says, "fully accredited," the
>next question must be "by whom?" There is a concept called GAAP, Generally
>Accepted Accreditation Principals, which most registrars, admissions
>officers, and human resource people use. (I list the criteria at the end
>of this post.)
>
Ahh, very interesting - I think I am going to have to get a copy of your
book ! I had no idea that these scams also involved bogus accredditing
agencies.
I simply <and quite naively, it turns out> that these 'diploma' mills didn't
bother with false accredditation as well - I guess I figured anyone 'paying'
for a degree and receiving it in 3 days wouldn't / couldn't be bothered
enough to care about something as pedestrian as 'accredditation.'
>The answer: It is not possible, by any schools *published rules*, to get a
>GAAP Ph.D. in 8 months or less.
>
Derek - any comments on this one? Do you still think you can get around this
somehow?
>The weasel: "Published rules." There is a chapter in my book called
>"Bending the Rules," because it is the case that they are bent all the
>time. If Stephen Hawking rolled into Princeton and said, in effect, "Here
>is what I have done; I'd like a Ph.D. by next Tuesday, please," might they
>find a way to make it happen? I don't know.
I guess it would be foolish of them if he couldn't, although, technically,
as you say, he would not have met the residency requirement.
>
>> Also, can you fill us in on the details of thesis suppression? There have
>> been MANY arguments here about the validity of having your thesis
suppressed
>> to protect your copyrighted computer code. I have absolutely no idea how
>> this works, and would appreciate the enlightenment.
>
>I've read all the 1999 postings in alt.games.bc3000ad, with much interest.
>In the 25 years I've been researching and writing about this stuff, I've
>heard of three cases, all comparable, where the very fact of the degree
>could have had terrible consequences for either the scholar or the school
>(such as the Jew who completed a not-Nazi-friendly dissertation at
>Heidelberg in the mid 1930s). But in all those cases, it was the very
>*fact* of the existence of the thesis and the degree that was suppressed.
>In no case did the student say, in effect, "I've got the degree, but I
>won't tell you whre it is from."
I agree this is unusual -
>
>I can conceive of a situation (although I have never heard of one) in
>which proprietary information is contained in a dissertation, and thus
>those data might be excluded from the published version.
Well, Derek says the ENTIRE thesis was suppressed - I guess I should have
been clearer - have you ever heard of a case where the ENTIRE thesis was
suppressed, to the point where NO PUBLIC RECORD of it can EVER be found
<Derek has told us this, when he challenged Bill to find it, knowing that it
was *impossible*>. It certainly seems feasible <and I am a layman, so what
do I know?> that a thesis could be suppressed if it was basically a lot of
computer code that was copyrighted - what would be left to publish if you
ripped out all the code? Am I wrong here?
Granted, Derek has not told us that this was the case, but I would imagine
that maybe that is why there is no evidence of a thesis? <provided of
course, that it actually exists>
(What University
>Microfilms does is called "publishing." They generally do not accept works
>from non-GAAP schools.) But the concept of someone saying (a) I have a
>Ph.D., and (b) I can't (not won't, but can't) tell you where it is from,
>is unique in my experience.
As in all of ours! Especially when the graduate went to a renowned and
accreddited school! I don;t understand why he wouldn't be proud of a
renowned and accreddited school. I went to Wharton, which is certainly
'renowned', and I am proud to tell people. I can't figure out Derek on this
one.
>
>I guess if it were essential to me to get to the bottom of this, I'd
>propose the academic equivalent of arbitration. The degree-holder and the
>skeptic agree on choosing an impartial analyst, utterly trustworthy, sworn
>to secrecy, who would examine the work in question, and say nothing more
>than "I have seen it; it is as the author claims." (Or "not" as the case
>may be) And, using arbitration rules, if the degree-holder and the skeptic
>cannot agree on such a person, they each appoint one, and those two agree
>on a third, majority vote rules.
Unfortunately, this was proposed by Bill Huffman, and negotiations with
Bill's attorney began. Derek nixed the idea for whatever reason <I don't
really recall what the reason was - I am sure Derek or Bill can enlighten us
here>.
Dr Bear, can you suggest further reading on the accreddition process?
Thanks
jackyo
jackyo
>Jan Knutar wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:06:53 -0400, PJL <"do$feratu"@m$n.com> wrote:
>>
>> >He also once said he could get a million dollars just by doing some
>> >paperwork.
>>
>> Sounds like spam.
>
>
>Dear Mom,
>Please send $1,000,000.
>And some clean socks.
>
ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!! <# 2002>
YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWW
Gary Hladik
[humongous snip]
Hmm, after that response to Dr. Bear, I have a strange but compelling
urge to rent "The Caine Mutiny." :-)
Gary
Dan
defense if the suit goes to trial? This is what we have been told. I'm
curious.
Thanks.
Dan
John Bear <jo...@ursa.net> wrote in message
news:john-02099...@caulk21.ppp.lmi.net...
Eric Evans
Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:37cfbf7d...@news.mindspring.com...
>
> No matter how many times my attorneys have told me to refrain from
> even posting, let alone acknowledging this crap (hence the reason for
> me putting all of them in killfilters)
You put your attorneys in killfilters?
> ...The law will decide if Bill is at
> fault and whether he has commited any crimes, civil or criminal.
Spoken like a true desktop attorney!
Bill Dayson
apparently occurs.
I was reading the catalog of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey
recently (an amazing document.) This is a federally run WASC accredited
graduate school, offering masters degrees and doctorates. Not only
particular courses but entire majors have among their prerequisites high
level security clearances.
Coursework, and probably dissertations, include such sexy topics as
laser and particle beam weapons, offensive military computer hacking,
the physics of nuclear explosions, underwater acoustics (designing
stealthy subs and detecting same), as well as all sorts of intelligence
topics.
So I'm sure many dissertations from this institution, and it's sister
Air Force Institute of Technology at Wright Patterson AFB, receive
security classifications and are unavailable at UMI.
Nevertheless, I'm sure that graduates of these schools have no
hesitation in stating where their degree is from, and the school freely
verifies that fact. They probably just say that their dissertations are
classified, and therefore unavailable.
None of which has anything to do with the argument of this thread, but I
thought it was interesting.
Bill Dayson
Bill Huffman
jo...@ursa.net (John Bear) wrote:
... snip excellent stuff that I will save and reference, THANKS!
> I guess if it were essential to me to get to the bottom of this, I'd
> propose the academic equivalent of arbitration. The degree-holder and
the
> skeptic agree on choosing an impartial analyst, utterly trustworthy,
sworn
> to secrecy, who would examine the work in question, and say nothing
more
> than "I have seen it; it is as the author claims." (Or "not" as the
case
> may be) And, using arbitration rules, if the degree-holder and the
skeptic
> cannot agree on such a person, they each appoint one, and those two
agree
> on a third, majority vote rules.
I started a new thread proposing that Mr. Smart and I agree to this. I
further asked if you would do this.
> John Bear, Ph.D. (Michigan State U., 1966)
...snip...
> In case it is relevant, Kennedy-Western University meets none of the
above.
At one point Mr. Smart said that he got his PhD at LIT. After I pointed
out that there was no LIT recognized by the UK government and posted
the web links proving this, Mr. Smart changed his story and said that
when he said LIT it was meant as an acronym for "Lost In Time". see
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/PhDFraud
for details.
--
Bill Huffman
huf...@FRAUDaccess1.net (Remove the FRAUD to email me.)
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Dan Snelson
Derek Smart wrote in message <37cfbf7d...@news.mindspring.com>...
>
>very true but for you to fully understand the circumstances with Bill
>Huffman, you'd have to go far back to '96. It is not an issue of 'I'm
>not just telling', its an issue of, I'm not telling him or anyone who
>don't have a right to know. Period.
>
>>
Derek,
As soon as you claim to have a Ph.D to someone they have the RIGHT to know
that it is real and where it is from! Either "Stand and Deliver" or just
SHUT UP!
Dan Snelson, CPO, FAAOP
Ed Bain
in msg <7qn1m7$1...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
ga...@netcom.com (Gary Hladik) said :
[sing along]
I got those yellowstain blues, those ole yellowstain blues.. :)
--
* rrevved at mindspring dot com
* http://www.cabal.net
* http://www.sputum.com
Larry McQueary
Larry
Gary Hladik <ga...@netcom.com> wrote in message
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Larry McQueary
Larry
Allan Parent <all...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:37CEFDB8...@flash.net...
> Nai-Chi Lee wrote:
> >
> > >I guess if it were essential to me to get to the bottom of this, I'd
> > >propose the academic equivalent of arbitration. The degree-holder and the
> > >skeptic agree on choosing an impartial analyst, utterly trustworthy, sworn
> > >to secrecy, who would examine the work in question, and say nothing more
> > >than "I have seen it; it is as the author claims." (Or "not" as the case
> > >may be)
> >
Larry McQueary
"criminal crime".
;-)
Larry
Eric Evans <erevNO...@kiva.net> wrote in message
news:7qn5p6$biq$1...@topsy.kiva.net...
>
> Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:37cfbf7d...@news.mindspring.com...
> >
> > No matter how many times my attorneys have told me to refrain from
> > even posting, let alone acknowledging this crap (hence the reason for
> > me putting all of them in killfilters)
>
> You put your attorneys in killfilters?
>
> > ...The law will decide if Bill is at
> > fault and whether he has commited any crimes, civil or criminal.
>
Stephen Botha
I took me over 5 years... Of course, without panzer general I and II,
it would have taken only about three...
Stephen Botha.
Larry McQueary
specific points of fact verified.
1. That the Ph.D. exists, and is from an actual verifiable school, DL or
otherwise.
2. Whether or not the school in question is a legitimate unaccredited school,
or a degree mill of some sort (criteria for this determination to be agreed upon
by both parties)
3. That the thesis is credible.
#3 is the tough bit, as it would have to be evaluated by a CS expert. I
nominate John Wetsch as an impartial 3rd party who holds a legitimate,
accredited Ph.D. in Computer Science, obtained via nontraditional means.
Larry
John Bear <jo...@ursa.net> wrote in message
news:john-02099...@caulk21.ppp.lmi.net...
[ snip ]
> I guess if it were essential to me to get to the bottom of this, I'd
> propose the academic equivalent of arbitration. The degree-holder and the
> skeptic agree on choosing an impartial analyst, utterly trustworthy, sworn
> to secrecy, who would examine the work in question, and say nothing more
> than "I have seen it; it is as the author claims." (Or "not" as the case
> may be) And, using arbitration rules, if the degree-holder and the skeptic
> cannot agree on such a person, they each appoint one, and those two agree
> on a third, majority vote rules.
>
> John Bear, Ph.D. (Michigan State U., 1966)
> Diploma mill consultant to the FBI, 1979-1992
> Author, Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees Nontraditionally
> (more than 400,000 copies in print)
> -------------------------
> GAAP (Generally Accepted Accreditation Principles)
> A school that meets any one of these would be GAAP:
> 1. Listed in the International Handbook of Universities (UNESCO).
> 2. Listed in the Commonwealth Universities Yearbook.
> 3. Accredited by an agency recognized by the Council on Higher Education
> Accreditation in Washington.
> 4. Accredited by an agency recognized by the U.S. Dept. of of Education.
> 5. Listed in the World Education Series, published by PIER, the Project in
> International Education Research (a consortium of many agencies).
> 6. Listed by NOOSR, the Australian National Office on Overseas Skills
> Recognition.
>
Mark Asher
<Termin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm still dying to hear what a "civil crime" is. I suppose it differs from a
>"criminal crime".
Well, civil law and criminal law differ. Think O.J. and the criminal
case he won and then the subsequent wrongful death civil case he lost.
Mark Asher
Larry McQueary
Firstly, I was having a little fun with Derek's wording, and nothing more.
Derek said:
> ...The law will decide if Bill is at
> fault and whether he has commited [sic] any crimes, civil or criminal.
Secondly, and technically speaking, I don't think there is such a thing as a
'civil crime', unless you are referring to a tort. Certainly, in the moral
sense, there are crimes that do not involve breaking the law. However, I don't
infer this reasoning from his comment.
For instance, I would reword Derek's entertaining sentence as follows:
"The law will decide if Bill is at fault, and whether he has exposed himself to
civil litigation or criminal prosecution."
Of course, now that I've had to go and explain my thinking, it's not as funny to
me any more. <shrug>
Larry
Mark Asher <ma...@cdmnet.com> wrote in message
news:37cf5ce4...@news.primary.net...
Larry McQueary
Great minds think alike. I was thinking of the Naval Postgraduate School
myself, when I was first examining this whole thesis suppression idea. Someone
had brought up the issue of 'classified' or 'sensitive' information, and this
was the only example I could think of where this defense would hold water.
Period.
Of course, as you say, no one would dream of hiding the fact that their degree
is from the Naval Postraduate School, or the War College, or any other similar
institution.
Larry
Bill Dayson <cis...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Marko
--
Trainman
Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:37cfbf7d...@news.mindspring.com...
Bill Huffman
"Larry McQueary" <Termin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'd put a little more edge on this, personally. The arbitration
needs some
> specific points of fact verified.
>
> 1. That the Ph.D. exists, and is from an actual verifiable school,
DL or
> otherwise.
Sounds very reasonable.
> 2. Whether or not the school in question is a legitimate
unaccredited school,
> or a degree mill of some sort (criteria for this determination to be
agreed upon
> by both parties)
I would be willing to be very flexible here.
> 3. That the thesis is credible.
>
> #3 is the tough bit, as it would have to be evaluated by a CS
expert. I
> nominate John Wetsch as an impartial 3rd party who holds a legitimate,
> accredited Ph.D. in Computer Science, obtained via nontraditional
means.
#3 may be the tough bit, but it's the most important bit. Apparantly
Derek has just admitted that it is not accreditted. It's from the UK
and looking in Dr. Bear's book that does not seem to bode well for the
quality of the school.
--
Bill Huffman
"Larry McQueary" <Termin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm still dying to hear what a "civil crime" is. I suppose it
differs from a
> "criminal crime".
>
I assume a civil crime is when the perpetrator says please
and thank you.
"Yes officer, the mugger was such a polite young man, I
invited him home for dinner."
Thomas Head
> #3 may be the tough bit, but it's the most important bit. Apparantly
> Derek has just admitted that it is not accreditted. It's from the UK
> and looking in Dr. Bear's book that does not seem to bode well for the
> quality of the school.
Actually, I think there are probably far fewer mills in the UK than in the
States. Most British universities listed in Dr. Bear's books were founded
under Royal Charter and include the University of Warwick (#7 in the list
of Top 100 British Universities in the London Times, I believe) and the
University of Wales (the third-oldest university in the UK).
Not to say that one couldn't get an illegitimate degree from a
British university just as easily as from a U.S. university, of course,
but don't knock Britain's university system; I'm rather fond of it.
And if Derek acquired his degree from an established British
DL-granting university such as Open University or the University of
London, or from a traditional residential university as a research
doctorate, it's probably safe to say that he did just as much work for the
degree as anyone else would have. Since I don't see him telling us which
university granted his doctorate, though, one would imagine that he should
expect people to speculate.
Peace,
Tom
"Being properly distracted for a moment is child's play; being
rightly distracted for a lifetime is an art."
-- Douglas Adams
Larry McQueary
I don't think Bill is saying what you're refuting ;-)
Bill is merely commenting on the fact that there are quite a few utterly
worthless UK degree- and diploma mills listed in Bears' Guide. I take his
comment as meaning that the odds of Derek having a degree from a 'legitimate but
unaccredited' institution are slim to none.
I define 'legitimate but unaccredited' loosely as a school which has some sort
of verifiable quality standards and decent faculty, regardless of accreditation
status. Of course, that's an open door, but I think you know what I mean. Some
would have us believe that Greenwich falls in this category.
I would tend to agree with Bill that the odds are against it.
Larry
Thomas Head <t...@netdoor.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.10.99090...@lance.netdoor.com...
John Bear
<d...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Dr. Bear, some months ago did you offer your services to bill huffman's
> defense if the suit goes to trial? This is what we have been told. I'm
> curious.
I am always available as an expert witness (which is what I did for the
FBI for 13 years) to offer my opinions on the legitimacy of any degree or
institution, and that is as far as it has gone.
These are sometimes very clear situations (as with Columbia State
University, where the founder is already in federal prison!), and
sometimes they are much less clear or more controversial. After all the
GAAP standard says "generally accepted," not "universally accepted." There
probably is no such thing as "universally." For instance, a Harvard Ph.D.
in psychology is not acceptable in those situations, and they do exist,
where a psychology degree accredited by the American Psychological
Association is required. Harvard has regional accreditation, of course,
but not APA.
--
John Bear, Ph.D. (Michigan State University, 1966)
Co-Author, Bears' Guide (13th edition) described
at http://www.degree.net, and sold at www.amazon.com
or www.bn.com, bookstores, and www.tenspeed.com.
Thomas Head
> I don't think Bill is saying what you're refuting ;-)
<snip>
Quite possibly. :P I've not been following the thread very closely.
John Bear
Dr Bear, can you suggest further reading on the accreddition process?
John Bear replies:
As in your case, most traditional authors in education either don't know
that there is such a thing as fake accreditation, or don't consider it
worth mentioning. So you can read all about their standards in the
literature or website of all the various accrediting agencies. There is a
certain sameness.
The only other author who looks at the dark side as well is Steve
Levicoff, who (also) has a regionally accredited Ph.D. (from Union
Institute). He decided a few years ago not to revise his book "Name It and
Frame It," and put it out, free, on his web site. His chapter on
accreditation is both fun and alarming to read, especially his detailed
account of the wonderful "sting" operation carried out by the Missouri
attorney general against a phony accreditation agency. (But after they
were caught in the sting, and heavily fined, they simply picked up and
moved across the state line to Arkansas, where they continue to operate,
under a slightly different name). Steve's book is at:
www.members.tripod.com/~levicoff
Kevin Stewart
Larry McQueary wrote in message ...
>I'm still dying to hear what a "civil crime" is. I suppose it differs from
a
>"criminal crime".
>
>;-)
>
>
I thought it was civil & tort law.
- the ghoti, DA novice
Kevin Stewart
Bill Huffman wrote in message <7qors9$jqj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <u6Iz3.16498$vu2....@news.rdc1.tx.home.com>,
> "Larry McQueary" <Termin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>differs from a
>> "criminal crime".
>>
>> ;-)
>
>and thank you.
>
>"Yes officer, the mugger was such a polite young man, I
>invited him home for dinner."
>
Now that's criminal! 8~ )
- the ghoti
John Bear
(John Bear) wrote:
> Jackyo asks:
> Dr Bear, can you suggest further reading on the accreddition process?
>
> John Bear replies: (blah blah blah)
If I may reply to my own message: I got in the mail this day the brand new
4th edition of Walston's Guide to Christian Distance Learning. Josh is
getting much more militant against the borderline and bad guys in his old
age. He goes deeply into accreditation issues, both in distinct chapters,
and in his school evaluations.
I am intrigued by the fact that Josh and Steve Levicoff, who are not
exactly chat room buddies, are much closer now than they were five years
ago. Sort of like the way Los Angeles and San Francisco are moving slowly
towards each other, being on opposite sides of the San Andreas Fault.
(They will be side by side in only a couple of million years.) It is
published by Persuasion Press, Box 847, Longview, WA 98632.
Bill Huffman
>Dr. Bear, some months ago did you offer your services to bill huffman's
>defense if the suit goes to trial? This is what we have been told. I'm
>curious.
I never said he offered his services. What I said was that I asked him if
he (or his daughter) would agree to be an expert witness if a lawsuit was
actually filed and assuming that the case was being heard in San Diego. He
agreed to provide that service. I assume that is what Dan meant but, his
wording made it sound like maybe Dr. Bear had contacted me first.
>Thanks.
>
>Dan
>
>John Bear <jo...@ursa.net> wrote in message
>news:john-02099...@caulk21.ppp.lmi.net...
Bill Huffman
<phy...@yukawa.phys.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
Quicker does not always mean better.
Thomas Head
> If I may reply to my own message: I got in the mail this day the brand
> new 4th edition of Walston's Guide to Christian Distance Learning.
> Josh is getting much more militant against the borderline and bad guys
> in his old age. He goes deeply into accreditation issues, both in
> distinct chapters, and in his school evaluations.
This is really very good to know. As more less-than-legitimate schemes
seem to be jumping on the bandwagon in addition to established
universities and new, well-intentioned DL schools, it's very good to know
that one more guy is out there separating the wheat from the chaff (so to
speak).
> I am intrigued by the fact that Josh and Steve Levicoff, who are not
> exactly chat room buddies, are much closer now than they were five
> years ago. Sort of like the way Los Angeles and San Francisco are
> moving slowly towards each other, being on opposite sides of the San
> Andreas Fault. (They will be side by side in only a couple of million
> years.) It is published by Persuasion Press, Box 847, Longview, WA
> 98632.
Hey, thanks for the note!
Offhand, to Dr. Bear and/or anyone who happens to have the fourth edition:
does the book list any regionally accredited (or accredited by highly
reputable, beyond-reproach theological agencies) U.S. doctorates in
religious fields which are not listed in _Bears' Guide_? I'd hate to buy
a copy of Dr. Walston's book and then find out I couldn't use it.
jackyo
btw, you didn't answer the question about the 'complete' thesis suppression.
What do you think about this?
Thanks again
John Bear wrote in message ...
>Jackyo asks:
>Dr Bear, can you suggest further reading on the accreddition process?
>
>John Bear replies:
>As in your case, most traditional authors in education either don't know
>that there is such a thing as fake accreditation, or don't consider it
>worth mentioning. So you can read all about their standards in the
>literature or website of all the various accrediting agencies. There is a
>certain sameness.
>
>The only other author who looks at the dark side as well is Steve
>Levicoff, who (also) has a regionally accredited Ph.D. (from Union
>Institute). He decided a few years ago not to revise his book "Name It and
>Frame It," and put it out, free, on his web site. His chapter on
>accreditation is both fun and alarming to read, especially his detailed
>account of the wonderful "sting" operation carried out by the Missouri
>attorney general against a phony accreditation agency. (But after they
>were caught in the sting, and heavily fined, they simply picked up and
>moved across the state line to Arkansas, where they continue to operate,
>under a slightly different name). Steve's book is at:
>www.members.tripod.com/~levicoff
>
John Bear
Thomas Head <t...@netdoor.com> wrote:
> Offhand, to Dr. Bear and/or anyone who happens to have the fourth edition:
> does the book list any regionally accredited (or accredited by highly
> reputable, beyond-reproach theological agencies) U.S. doctorates in
> religious fields which are not listed in _Bears' Guide_?
A great many, but the annoying thing about Walston's book is that he
really doesn't describe the nature of the programs: whether 100% distance
learning, or lots of residency (and, if so, evenings, weekends, summers,
whatever). There are dozens of doctorates listed in his "Accredited
Schools" section that aren't in mine. Here are just his A's: Acadia
Divinity College, Andover-Newton Theological School, American Bible
College (TRACS), Aquinas Institute of Theology, Asbury Theological
Seminary, Ashland Theological Seminary, Assemblies of Got Theological
Seminary, Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary.
John Bear
<jack...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> btw, you didn't answer the question about the 'complete' thesis suppression.
> What do you think about this?
I've never heard of it, but that doesn't mean it has never happened. I
would be surprised if it had. But then I am surprised by things in higher
education at least 3.7 times a week.
Bill Huffman
"Larry McQueary" <Termin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I don't think Bill is saying what you're refuting ;-)
>
utterly
> worthless UK degree- and diploma mills listed in Bears' Guide. I
take his
> comment as meaning that the odds of Derek having a degree from
a 'legitimate but
> unaccredited' institution are slim to none.
>
> I define 'legitimate but unaccredited' loosely as a school which has
some sort
> of verifiable quality standards and decent faculty, regardless of
accreditation
> status. Of course, that's an open door, but I think you know what I
mean. Some
> would have us believe that Greenwich falls in this category.
>
> I would tend to agree with Bill that the odds are against it.
>
> Larry
I definitely did NOT mean to say that there is not an excellent
academic tradition in the UK. I apologize if that is the way it was
taken. What I meant was that if a school is NOT accredited, from Dr.
Bear's book it appears that there is not a high probability that the
school will be following the high academic tradition that you'd expect
from a UK accredited school. The ratio unaccredited-good to
unaccredited-bad appears to worse in the UK than in the USA. Now if it
still doesn't make sense then I give up and beg for mercy based on the
fact that I'm a software engineering nerd and don't have to make sense
except when speaking C or C++. :-)
> > Peace,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Being properly distracted for a moment is child's play; being
> > rightly distracted for a lifetime is an art."
> > -- Douglas Adams
> >
>
>
--
Patrick Muller
> I never said he offered his services. What I said was that I asked him if
> he (or his daughter) would agree to be an expert witness if a lawsuit was
> actually filed and assuming that the case was being heard in San Diego.
<sigh>
The lawsuit would be about you harassing and stalking, and not so much about
the Ph.D. issue. You conveniently seem to forget that all the time Bill.
Did you show Dr. Bear your site already?
Did you also show him all previous versions that have been recorder and filed.
(you know, the 'un-edited' ones from the years before the recent legal
threats..)?
Is that part about you stalking Dan's and his daughter also on there?
Did he attend your recent "Derek Smart Fraud Day" party?
Which of the 25 aliases you use to post with different demeanor / personalties
did
you use to contact Dr. Bear.?
I hope you mail him with your regular sigs.
(I'd love to see your lawyer read that stuff in court and defend you with a
straight face.)