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Ben Holmes
Sep 6, 2012, 9:37:26 AM9/6/12
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In the previous paragraphs, Mark Lane showed that the Warren Commission took
testimony from a Veterinarian for ballistics issues, yet still was forced to
ignore the testimony since in contradicted the SBT.
"Although the Commission asserted that its experts had proved that one bullet
could pass through the President's neck and then through the Governor's chest
and wrist and enter his thigh, the experts had never attempted that
comprehensive test. Instead, they had fired different bullets, each through a
different substance, each bullet suffering distortion in the process.
Nevertheless the Commission concluded that one bullet - Commission Exhibit 399 -
did all the damage, while remaining unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
An additional factor is that while C.E. 399 was purportedly involved in a
succession of impact situations - striking the President's neck and the
Governor's rib, wrist and thigh - and the expert testimony indicated the
presence of more than three grains of metal in the wrist wound alone, yet the
missile weathered its traumatic trajectory to emerge only 1.4 to 2.4 grains
lighter than the normal weight of a bullet of that type before firing. In short,
it apparently left metal that it never possessed in the Governor's wrist, to say
nothing of the fragments lost in the other collisions. The entire case against
Oswald therefore rested on a claim by the Commission which its own experts could
not support - indeed opposed."
Mark Lane is showing that the Warren Commission couldn't even present a real
test of what they claimed happened in their SBT... and that the partial tests
showed that their theory was wrong. The WC was forced to put forth a claim that
simply did not have the support of its own experts, both medical and ballistic.
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Ben Holmes
Learn to Make Money with a Website - http://www.burningknife.com
testimony from a Veterinarian for ballistics issues, yet still was forced to
ignore the testimony since in contradicted the SBT.
"Although the Commission asserted that its experts had proved that one bullet
could pass through the President's neck and then through the Governor's chest
and wrist and enter his thigh, the experts had never attempted that
comprehensive test. Instead, they had fired different bullets, each through a
different substance, each bullet suffering distortion in the process.
Nevertheless the Commission concluded that one bullet - Commission Exhibit 399 -
did all the damage, while remaining unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
An additional factor is that while C.E. 399 was purportedly involved in a
succession of impact situations - striking the President's neck and the
Governor's rib, wrist and thigh - and the expert testimony indicated the
presence of more than three grains of metal in the wrist wound alone, yet the
missile weathered its traumatic trajectory to emerge only 1.4 to 2.4 grains
lighter than the normal weight of a bullet of that type before firing. In short,
it apparently left metal that it never possessed in the Governor's wrist, to say
nothing of the fragments lost in the other collisions. The entire case against
Oswald therefore rested on a claim by the Commission which its own experts could
not support - indeed opposed."
Mark Lane is showing that the Warren Commission couldn't even present a real
test of what they claimed happened in their SBT... and that the partial tests
showed that their theory was wrong. The WC was forced to put forth a claim that
simply did not have the support of its own experts, both medical and ballistic.
--
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Ben Holmes
Learn to Make Money with a Website - http://www.burningknife.com
timstter
Sep 8, 2012, 11:46:57 PM9/8/12
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QUOTE ON:
...unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
QUOTE OFF
The bullet certainly WAS flattened and deformed!
Mark Lane is, quite simply, an HABITUAL liar in the matter of the
Kennedy assassination.
Informative Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
*...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head or the
neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).
Mark Lane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII 261-262.
And yet here IS WC XVII 261-262, showing hits to the head...
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0144a.htm
X marks the spot where Mark Lane lied!
Ben Holmes
Sep 18, 2012, 11:59:03 PM9/18/12
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Taken from the censored forum:
In article <2qci58dpb7fn6vtcl...@4ax.com>, John McAdams says...
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>On 6 Sep 2012 06:37:26 -0700, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In the previous paragraphs, Mark Lane showed that the Warren Commission took
>>testimony from a Veterinarian for ballistics issues, yet still was forced to
>>ignore the testimony since in contradicted the SBT.
>>
>>"Although the Commission asserted that its experts had proved that one bullet
>>could pass through the President's neck and then through the Governor's chest
>>and wrist and enter his thigh, the experts had never attempted that
>>comprehensive test. Instead, they had fired different bullets, each through a
>>different substance, each bullet suffering distortion in the process.
>>Nevertheless the Commission concluded that one bullet - Commission Exhibit 399 -
>>did all the damage, while remaining unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
>
>http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ce399.gif
>>In the previous paragraphs, Mark Lane showed that the Warren Commission took
>>testimony from a Veterinarian for ballistics issues, yet still was forced to
>>ignore the testimony since in contradicted the SBT.
>>
>>"Although the Commission asserted that its experts had proved that one bullet
>>could pass through the President's neck and then through the Governor's chest
>>and wrist and enter his thigh, the experts had never attempted that
>>comprehensive test. Instead, they had fired different bullets, each through a
>>different substance, each bullet suffering distortion in the process.
>>Nevertheless the Commission concluded that one bullet - Commission Exhibit 399 -
>>did all the damage, while remaining unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
>
>
>Lane just can't stop lying.
You just can't stop making claims that you cannot defend.
Indeed, Johnny, you're lying and you *KNOW* that you're lying. C.E.399 had just
about the same amount of "damage" as a bullet fired into a water tank, which is
just about as "unshattered, unflattened, and undeformed" as a bullet that has
been fired *can* be.
If you cannot describe the close to pristine nature of C.E. 399 in comparison
with bullets that actually *struck* something, then words are meaningless.
You can't face the fact that what Mark Lane *said* is accurate, so you try to
nitpick individual words, and yet, RUN AWAY from the forest of facts he just
laid out.
I defy you to cite the pictures of the bullets produced when the Warren
Commission's experts attempted to duplicate C.E. 399's condition.
But you won't...
You're a deceptive yellow coward...
mainframetech
Sep 19, 2012, 7:17:01 AM9/19/12
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> In article <2qci58dpb7fn6vtcl687rp2uvtrdjtc...@4ax.com>, John McAdams says...
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Compare CE399 with CE572. CE572 is a test bullet, and they match
almost perfectly. The same minor bend and the same slight hollowing
out at the tail end. CE 399 was a test bullet too. It was placed at
Parkland intentionally, but on the wrong stretcher. Go to the
following page and click on item F-294 to see the 2 bullets:
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Photos_-_HSCA_Public_Hearings_Exhibits_-_p6
Hear Tomlinson describe the finding of the CE399 bullet on a
completely uninvolved stretcher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx1sxYc8r2A
Chris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx1sxYc8r2A
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Compare CE399 with CE572. CE572 is a test bullet, and they match
almost perfectly. The same minor bend and the same slight hollowing
out at the tail end. CE 399 was a test bullet too. It was placed at
Parkland intentionally, but on the wrong stretcher. Go to the
following page and click on item F-294 to see the 2 bullets:
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Photos_-_HSCA_Public_Hearings_Exhibits_-_p6
Hear Tomlinson describe the finding of the CE399 bullet on a
completely uninvolved stretcher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx1sxYc8r2A
Chris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx1sxYc8r2A
SaintlyOswald
Sep 19, 2012, 7:27:34 AM9/19/12
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The SBT is an obvious cover-up contraption, but, it seems to me by framing this in terms of Mark Lane's honesty the discussion is lead away from the real point. Who gives a fuck about Mark Lane's honesty. He didn't murder Kennedy.
SaintlyOswald
Sep 19, 2012, 7:58:52 AM9/19/12
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If you take a look at a good quality still of Zapruder frame 322
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w0jb_PsXxmk/UFmyIxC8zFI/AAAAAAAAAMk/HQ9c2FJqJRE/s647/%21PDVD_183.jpg
you will notice a disturbance at Kennedy's throat, at Connally's wrist and at the windshield. These events are caused by a bullet which has come through the windshield, Connally's wrist and into Kennedy's throat. Connally was not hit in the wrist at Z224, obviously, because he still holds his hat. He was hit in the wrist at Z322. Therefore, the Magic Bullet did not hit Connally's wrist, if it hit anything at all. And the Single Bullet Theory is garbage, whether or not Mark Lane is a liar.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w0jb_PsXxmk/UFmyIxC8zFI/AAAAAAAAAMk/HQ9c2FJqJRE/s647/%21PDVD_183.jpg
you will notice a disturbance at Kennedy's throat, at Connally's wrist and at the windshield. These events are caused by a bullet which has come through the windshield, Connally's wrist and into Kennedy's throat. Connally was not hit in the wrist at Z224, obviously, because he still holds his hat. He was hit in the wrist at Z322. Therefore, the Magic Bullet did not hit Connally's wrist, if it hit anything at all. And the Single Bullet Theory is garbage, whether or not Mark Lane is a liar.
SaintlyOswald
Sep 19, 2012, 8:07:21 AM9/19/12
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I just realized, you can see Greer's gun in this picture, too, in his left hand, pointing straight ahead, just over Kellerman's ducking head. Amazing.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w0jb_PsXxmk/UFmyIxC8zFI/AAAAAAAAAMk/HQ9c2FJqJRE/s647/%21PDVD_183.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w0jb_PsXxmk/UFmyIxC8zFI/AAAAAAAAAMk/HQ9c2FJqJRE/s647/%21PDVD_183.jpg
Ben Holmes
Sep 19, 2012, 9:01:45 AM9/19/12
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In article <3abe1838-e075-427d...@googlegroups.com>,
SaintlyOswald says...
Plonk!
SaintlyOswald says...
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>I just realized, you can see Greer's gun in this picture, too, in his left hand,
>pointing straight ahead, just over Kellerman's ducking head. Amazing.
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>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w0jb_PsXxmk/UFmyIxC8zFI/AAAAAAAAAMk/HQ9c2FJqJRE/s647/%21PDVD_183.jpg
Desperate for attention, aren't you?
>I just realized, you can see Greer's gun in this picture, too, in his left hand,
>pointing straight ahead, just over Kellerman's ducking head. Amazing.
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>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w0jb_PsXxmk/UFmyIxC8zFI/AAAAAAAAAMk/HQ9c2FJqJRE/s647/%21PDVD_183.jpg
Plonk!
Sam McClung
Sep 19, 2012, 10:26:34 AM9/19/12
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looks like connally was dead in this frame, did he die for a while then come
back to life?
"SaintlyOswald" <fatol...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3abe1838-e075-427d...@googlegroups.com...
back to life?
"SaintlyOswald" <fatol...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3abe1838-e075-427d...@googlegroups.com...
Jason Burke
Sep 19, 2012, 10:31:24 AM9/19/12
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wound happened after that, huh?
timstter
Sep 19, 2012, 3:37:12 PM9/19/12
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> In article <2qci58dpb7fn6vtcl687rp2uvtrdjtc...@4ax.com>, John McAdams says...
Benny can't deal with the fact that the bullet was deformed and had
lead extruding from the base!
Benny can't deal with the fact that Mark Lane has been caught in YET
ANOTHER demonstrable LIE in Rush To Judgment!
lead extruding from the base!
Benny can't deal with the fact that Mark Lane has been caught in YET
ANOTHER demonstrable LIE in Rush To Judgment!
mainframetech
Sep 19, 2012, 5:34:21 PM9/19/12
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On Sep 19, 7:58 am, SaintlyOswald <fatoldcr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you take a look at a good quality still of Zapruder frame 322
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> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w0jb_PsXxmk/UFmyIxC8zFI/AAAAAAAAAM...
> If you take a look at a good quality still of Zapruder frame 322
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> you will notice a disturbance at Kennedy's throat, at Connally's wrist and at the windshield. These events are caused by a bullet which has come through the windshield, Connally's wrist and into Kennedy's throat. Connally was not hit in the wrist at Z224, obviously, because he still holds his hat. He was hit in the wrist at Z322. Therefore, the Magic Bullet did not hit Connally's wrist, if it hit anything at all. And the Single Bullet Theory is garbage, whether or not Mark Lane is a liar.
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> you will notice a disturbance at Kennedy's throat, at Connally's wrist and at the windshield. These events are caused by a bullet which has come through the windshield, Connally's wrist and into Kennedy's throat. Connally was not hit in the wrist at Z224, obviously, because he still holds his hat. He was hit in the wrist at Z322. Therefore, the Magic Bullet did not hit Connally's wrist, if it hit anything at all. And the Single Bullet Theory is garbage, whether or not Mark Lane is a liar.
Evalea Glanges saw bullet hole in limo windshield at Parkland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7RYjgcepX0
Chris
timstter
Sep 23, 2012, 5:38:45 AM9/23/12
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On Sep 9, 1:46 pm, timstter <timst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 6, 11:37 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
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> > In the previous paragraphs,MarkLaneshowed that the Warren Commission took
> On Sep 6, 11:37 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
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> > testimony from a Veterinarian for ballistics issues, yet still was forced to
> > ignore the testimony since in contradicted the SBT.
>
> > "Although the Commission asserted that its experts had proved that one bullet
> > could pass through the President's neck and then through the Governor's chest
> > and wrist and enter his thigh, the experts had never attempted that
> > comprehensive test. Instead, they had fired different bullets, each through a
> > different substance, each bullet suffering distortion in the process.
> > Nevertheless the Commission concluded that one bullet - Commission Exhibit 399 -
> > did all the damage, while remaining unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
>
> > An additional factor is that while C.E. 399 was purportedly involved in a
> > succession of impact situations - striking the President's neck and the
> > Governor's rib, wrist and thigh - and the expert testimony indicated the
> > presence of more than three grains of metal in the wrist wound alone, yet the
> > missile weathered its traumatic trajectory to emerge only 1.4 to 2.4 grains
> > lighter than the normal weight of a bullet of that type before firing. In short,
> > it apparently left metal that it never possessed in the Governor's wrist, to say
> > nothing of the fragments lost in the other collisions. The entire case against
> > Oswald therefore rested on a claim by the Commission which its own experts could
> > not support - indeed opposed."
>
> >MarkLaneis showing that the Warren Commission couldn't even present a real
> > ignore the testimony since in contradicted the SBT.
>
> > "Although the Commission asserted that its experts had proved that one bullet
> > could pass through the President's neck and then through the Governor's chest
> > and wrist and enter his thigh, the experts had never attempted that
> > comprehensive test. Instead, they had fired different bullets, each through a
> > different substance, each bullet suffering distortion in the process.
> > Nevertheless the Commission concluded that one bullet - Commission Exhibit 399 -
> > did all the damage, while remaining unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
>
> > An additional factor is that while C.E. 399 was purportedly involved in a
> > succession of impact situations - striking the President's neck and the
> > Governor's rib, wrist and thigh - and the expert testimony indicated the
> > presence of more than three grains of metal in the wrist wound alone, yet the
> > missile weathered its traumatic trajectory to emerge only 1.4 to 2.4 grains
> > lighter than the normal weight of a bullet of that type before firing. In short,
> > it apparently left metal that it never possessed in the Governor's wrist, to say
> > nothing of the fragments lost in the other collisions. The entire case against
> > Oswald therefore rested on a claim by the Commission which its own experts could
> > not support - indeed opposed."
>
> > test of what they claimed happened in their SBT... and that the partial tests
> > showed that their theory was wrong. The WC was forced to put forth a claim that
> > simply did not have the support of its own experts, both medical and ballistic.
>
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Ben Holmes
> > Learn to Make Money with a Website -http://www.burningknife.com
>
> MarkLaneis simply lying again when he claims that the bullet was:
> > showed that their theory was wrong. The WC was forced to put forth a claim that
> > simply did not have the support of its own experts, both medical and ballistic.
>
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Ben Holmes
> > Learn to Make Money with a Website -http://www.burningknife.com
>
>
> QUOTE ON:
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> ...unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
>
> QUOTE OFF
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> The bullet certainly WAS flattened and deformed!
>
> MarkLaneis, quite simply, an HABITUAL liar in the matter of the
> QUOTE ON:
>
> ...unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
>
> QUOTE OFF
>
> The bullet certainly WAS flattened and deformed!
>
> Kennedy assassination.
>
> Informative Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> *...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head or the
> neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).MarkLane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII 261-262.
>
> Informative Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> *...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head or the
>
> And yet here IS WC XVII 261-262, showing hits to the head...http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol...
>
> X marks the spot whereMarkLanelied!
BUMP! YOO HOO! HOLMES/RINGO!
YOO HOO!
TB
Ben Holmes
Sep 24, 2012, 10:02:49 AM9/24/12
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Posted in the censored forum. My guess? Johnny will censor it without notice.
In article <k3e4a...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ben Holmes says...
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>In article <505a283d....@news.supernews.com>, John McAdams says...
>>
>>On 19 Sep 2012 13:41:25 -0400, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <2qci58dpb7fn6vtcl...@4ax.com>, John McAdams says...
>>>>
>>>>On 6 Sep 2012 06:37:26 -0700, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In the previous paragraphs, Mark Lane showed that the Warren Commission took
>>>>>testimony from a Veterinarian for ballistics issues, yet still was forced to
>>>>>ignore the testimony since in contradicted the SBT.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Although the Commission asserted that its experts had proved that one bullet
>>>>>could pass through the President's neck and then through the Governor's chest
>>>>>and wrist and enter his thigh, the experts had never attempted that
>>>>>comprehensive test. Instead, they had fired different bullets, each through a
>>>>>different substance, each bullet suffering distortion in the process.
>>>>>Nevertheless the Commission concluded that one bullet - Commission Exhibit 399 -
>>>>>did all the damage, while remaining unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
>>>>
>>>>http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ce399.gif
>>>>
>>>>Lane just can't stop lying.
>>>
>>>
>>>You just can't stop making claims that you cannot defend.
>>>
>>
>>Ben turns tail and runs.
>>
>>>In article <2qci58dpb7fn6vtcl...@4ax.com>, John McAdams says...
>>>>
>>>>On 6 Sep 2012 06:37:26 -0700, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In the previous paragraphs, Mark Lane showed that the Warren Commission took
>>>>>testimony from a Veterinarian for ballistics issues, yet still was forced to
>>>>>ignore the testimony since in contradicted the SBT.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Although the Commission asserted that its experts had proved that one bullet
>>>>>could pass through the President's neck and then through the Governor's chest
>>>>>and wrist and enter his thigh, the experts had never attempted that
>>>>>comprehensive test. Instead, they had fired different bullets, each through a
>>>>>different substance, each bullet suffering distortion in the process.
>>>>>Nevertheless the Commission concluded that one bullet - Commission Exhibit 399 -
>>>>>did all the damage, while remaining unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
>>>>
>>>>http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ce399.gif
>>>>
>>>>Lane just can't stop lying.
>>>
>>>
>>>You just can't stop making claims that you cannot defend.
>>>
>>
>
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>John turns tail and runs.
Just a note to say that John did indeed. He has refused to respond to this post.
So the question becomes, just who *did* "turn tail and run"? John asserted it
was me with no evidence... *I'M* still responding.
>>The photo of CE 399 viewed end on clearly shows that Lane was lying
>>about unshattered, unflattened, undeformed.
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>The photo of CE 399 viewed any way you care to view it looks as 'damaged'
>as a bullet fired into a water tank.
>
>It is in *DRAMATIC* distinction to a bullet that has been fired through
>bone.
>
>You simply cannot refute that fact.
And John didn't even *try*.
>>.John
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