"Well, They Say It Just Takes A Second To Die" -- Lee Harvey Oswald; November 22nd, 1963
David VP
Police officer been killed? I hear they burn for murder."
C.T. WALKER -- "You might find out."
LEE HARVEY OSWALD -- "Well, they say it just takes a second to die."
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A 24-year-old ex-Marine and ex-defector to Russia by the name of Lee
Harvey Oswald was arrested on Friday afternoon, November 22, 1963,
during a struggle with police officers within the "Texas Theater" on
Jefferson Boulevard in a suburban area of Dallas, Texas, USA.
Oswald, just prior to his arrest, had shot and killed two human beings
a short distance from the movie theater where he was caught. He
murdered a 39-year-old Dallas police patrolman by the name J.D. Tippit
.... and Oswald, shortly before killing Mr. Tippit, shot to death the
President of the United States, 46-year-old John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
A whole bunch of conspiracy theorists believe that Lee Oswald was
innocent of not only murdering the President that November afternoon in
Dallas, but they also feel that Oswald was not guilty of Tippit's
slaying on Tenth Street either. But those conspiracy theorists are dead
wrong.
Regarding Oswald's arrest, the following very interesting Warren
Commission testimony was given by a Dallas Police Department Officer
named C.T. Walker (who helped subdue and apprehend Oswald in the Texas
Theater). And, in my view, it says quite a bit about Oswald and his
"guilt vs. innocence" re. the Tippit murder:
"Oswald said, 'What is this all about?'; he was relating this all the
time. He said, 'I know my rights'. And we told him that he was under
arrest because he was suspected in the murder of a police officer. And
he said, 'Police officer been killed?'; and nobody said nothing. He
said, 'I hear they burn for murder'. And I said, 'You might find out'.
And he said, 'Well, they say it just takes a second to die'." -- DPD
Officer C.T. Walker; April 8th, 1964
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Now, what would a reasonable, objective person make out of Oswald's
comment -- "Well, they say it just takes a second to die"? Would a
truly "innocent" person have uttered the words "it just takes a second
to die"? That statement reeks with guilt and Oswald's guilty
state-of-mind just after he was taken into custody.
Plus -- Officer Walker testified to Oswald's ultra-calm and unexcited
demeanor after his arrest; and how he didn't seem "scared" in the
slightest. .....
"He was real calm. He was extra calm. He wasn't a bit excited or
nervous or anything. .... He didn't look like he was scared. He was
calm. Not a bit nervous." -- C.T. Walker; 04/08/1964
Now, let me ask any reasonable individual this: If you've just been
arrested for killing a police officer -- and you DIDN'T do it --
wouldn't you tend to be a bit scared or nervous (or climbing the walls
with fear, I would imagine)?
Oswald's non-scared manner is perfectly consistent with his guilt.
Plus, Oswald's calm demeanor comes right AFTER he's been told by the
DPD that he just might find out what it's like to "burn for murder" --
a murder Oswald supposedly (per many conspiracists and per Oswald's own
lying mouth as well) never committed.
Plus -- That C.T. Walker testimony only verifies EVEN MORE how Oswald's
later comment to the press was obviously a big fat lie .... that
comment being: "They've taken me in because of the fact I lived in the
Soviet Union" (which was said by Oswald just prior to spouting his
now-famous "I'm just a patsy!" line of dialogue).
By way of Officer Walker's testimony ("we told him that he was under
arrest because he was suspected in the murder of a police officer"), we
know that Oswald, within minutes of his arrest, was told exactly why he
was "taken in".
The above-referenced testimony from Dallas Police Officer C.T. Walker
only further enhances the idea that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered
policeman J.D. Tippit just 45 minutes after President Kennedy was
assassinated.
And via the excellent 1998 book entitled "With Malice" (written and
impeccably researched by Dale K. Myers), Oswald's "guilty" status with
respect to the Tippit crime is forever sealed in concrete.
David Von Pein
March 2006
dlarsson
No. 179 and part of his responsiblity was to serve as a double-agent
overseeing CIA activities - and be a puppet for Guy Banister,
Clay Shaw, David Atlee Phillips, David Ferrie, and Mr. Hunt
( "Bay of Pigs" E. Howard Hunt ).
He was used to getting arrested. He was also used to making
one phone call and getting released and the FBI protecting him.
He was not used to being "a patsy". He probably was not worried
at first -- until the Kennedy charge was also put on him and he was not
permitted a lawyer.
Oswald shot nobody.
The nitrate tests were false.
The finger-print tests were false.
The Warren Commission's "palm print" would not hold up in court
And, of course, Kennedy was shot from the front anyway ....
... and the magic bullet theory -- is garbage.
"David VP" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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David VP
With a specific number attached to his "FBI involvement" yet. Nice.
I'm not entirely sure if DLarsson is in tongue-in-cheek mode with the
above silliness or not...but I suspect he/she is in such a mode.
Because a rational mind couldn't have uttered such foolishness.
tomnln
It's even More Detailed than THAT.
Oswald's FBI number was 169 & he Reveived $200.00 a month.
This can be found in the Warren Commission's Executive Sessions.
(Your WC Exec sessions) Choke on it David.
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David VP
Don't mislead me now about Ozzie's FBI ties.
Or was Oz important enough to garner TWO different numbers?
tomnln
It's called Warren Commission Executive Sessions.
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David VP
"Oswald was never an informant of the FBI, and never assigned a symbol
number in that capacity, and was never paid any amount of money by the
FBI in any regard. .... There was absolutely no type of informant or
undercover relationship between an agency of the U.S. Government and
Lee Harvey Oswald at any time." -- WR; Pg. 327
The WR/WC is full of shit re. the above conclusions, right?
tomnln
Nooooooooooooooow You're Gettin it.
Is it your claim that the WC was Truthful BOTH Times?
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> "Oswald's FBI number was 169 & he Reveived $200.00 a month."
>
>
tomnln
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Walt
I'd suggest that Officer Walker was less than truthful....
Many other reports claim that Oswald was anything but "calm", and
"unexcited"...... Many witnesses to his arrest ( including some other police
officers) said that Oswald was screaming, and protesting, his arrest.
Perhaps you should read ALL of the testimony, and not just the selected bits
that suit your bias.
Walt
Papa Andy
just use demeanor-ology
A
David VP
I'm fully aware of the "Oswald Was Screaming 'Police Brutality'"
reports. And I don't deny those reports at all. I'm sure they occurred.
Heck, from the one still photo captured of LHO after his arrest, we can
see he's not "ultra-calm" at this point in time.....
http://www.jfk-fr.com/images/jfk/2.jpg
But....Walker's testimony about Oswald being very calm and cool was
during the trip in the police car, AFTER the physical altercation in
the theater.
Now, if Oswald was all upset and up in arms about the "Police
brutality!" business before being placed in the police car -- it does
seem a bit odd (I cannot deny this fact) that Oswald would then
suddenly turn quiet as a church mouse and exhibit a calm demeanor.
However, C.T. Walker's testimony is fully backed up by Gerry Hill's WC
testimony as well. Let's compare.....
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GERALD L. HILL (TO WC) -- "Other than the statement he made about
brutality in the theater, and other than the statements he made in the
car about "Why are you treating me this way? The only thing I have done
is carry a gun," and "Why are you handcuffing me, the only thing I have
done is carry a gun", and when the comment was made about something of
killing an officer, and he said something to the extent that you can
only fry for that, and the man showed absolutely no emotion.
"He gave the appearance of being arrogant, and yet he didn't make
boastful statements. He was silent almost the entire time he was in the
car, except for the flare-up of the brutality in the theater, and the
two statements or the three statements that he made in the car. He was
silent almost the entire time until we got to the basement when he made
the statement that he didn't know why he should hide his face, he
didn't have anything to be ashamed of. .... In fact, he talked very
little. This was one of the things that stuck out most about him in my
mind, was how quiet he did keep."
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So, we have two of the five DPD officers (who were riding in the same
police car with Lee Oswald) testifying that Oswald was, in essence (per
Gerry Hill), "emotionless"...and very quiet overall.....even though
this is just minutes after the wild scuffle in the theater.
An odd about-face in the blink of an eye? Perhaps, yes. But this is
obviously the way it really occurred anyway. Or are BOTH C.T. Walker
and Gerry Hill liars in this regard? Did they get together and compare
notes re. the uniform lies they would tell the WC?
Footnote --- Gerry Hill's WC testimony is rather interesting, in that
within it I can now add two more bald-faced lies to my ever-growing
list of falsehoods that were uttered by that non-stop "Lying Machine"
named Lee Harvey Oswald during the measly 46+ hours he was in custody
in November 1963. Those two obvious and provable lies being.......
"Why are you treating me this way? The only thing I have done is carry
a gun." -- LHO; 11/22/63
-- And: --
"Why should I hide my face? I haven't done anything to be ashamed of."
-- LHO; 11/22/63*
* = This one might not actually be considered a direct "lie" in
Oswald's mind...that is, if he thought on 11/22 that shooting down a
policeman like a mad dog was actually something to be proud of.