THE TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM WHALEY
David Von Pein
EXAMINING THE TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM W. WHALEY:
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William Wayne Whaley had been a cab driver in Dallas, Texas, for 37
years as of Friday, November 22, 1963. On that date, at approximately
12:48 PM, Mr. Whaley had the very unique experience of having a
Presidential assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, get into his "1961 Checker"
taxicab at the Greyhound Bus Station in downtown Dallas.
For a 95-cent fare, Whaley drove President John F. Kennedy's assassin
from the Greyhound station to the Oak Cliff section of Dallas, a
distance of a little less than 2.5 miles. Oswald told Whaley that he
wanted a ride to the "500 block of North Beckley".
But instead of travelling to that exact destination (or to his real,
intended destination of his roominghouse, located at 1026 North
Beckley Avenue), Oswald told Whaley to pull over to the curb near the
intersection of Neely and Beckley (which was originally mis-identified
as the corner of "Neches and Beckley" during Whaley's first session in
front of the Warren Commission). Neely & Beckley was located in the
700 block of Beckley, about three city blocks beyond Oswald's rented
room at 1026 Beckley.
Oswald then backtracked the three-block distance on foot. It's very
likely, in my opinion, that Oswald had two reasons for telling Whaley
to take him past his real destination on November 22nd. One reason
would probably have been so that Oswald could check to see if there
were any police cars near his roominghouse. And secondly, LHO likely
didn't want cab driver Whaley to know for sure just exactly where he
lived in Oak Cliff.
William Whaley has been called a subpar or unreliable or unbelievable
witness by many conspiracy theorists over the years, with those
"CTers" claiming that the passenger Whaley took to Oak Cliff shortly
after JFK was assassinated could not possibly have been Lee Harvey
Oswald.
The conspiracists who say those things about Whaley cite the fact that
Whaley's description of the clothing worn by his passenger doesn't
match the clothing worn by Lee Oswald on 11/22/63. Plus, some CTers
feel Whaley is unreliable based also on his initial error regarding
the street location where he said he dropped off Oswald (the Neches
vs. Neely mistake, which was fully corrected by Whaley, as we'll see
below).
But there's one thing that CTers cannot avoid....and that is the fact
that William W. Whaley POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED (without a shred of
hesitation) Lee Harvey Oswald as the man who was in his cab on the
afternoon of November 22nd, 1963 (as we will also see below, via
Whaley's own testimony).
Let's examine some of Whaley's Warren Commission testimony now (with
some of my comments included along the way). Whaley's testimony
consists of three separate segments of text within the WC volumes,
covering two days' worth of testimony (on March 12, 1964, and April 8,
1964):
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JOSEPH BALL. Look at your manifest and tell me where you were at 12
o'clock the day of November 22, 1963.
WILLIAM W. WHALEY. 12 o'clock I got a call to the Travis Hotel. I have
got it marked 16, which is the Continental bus station, stand No. 15,
55 cents. I unloaded that at 12:15.
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go at 12:15, according to you record?
Mr. WHALEY. According to my record, I got a pickup at the Continental
bus station, which is stand 16 and went to the Greyhound, which is 55
cents. I unloaded at the Greyhound; I have got it marked 12:30. See,
there is that 15 minutes you say I am off, I just mark it 15. I don't
put the correct time on the sheet, because they don't require it, sir,
but anywhere approximate.
Mr. BALL. In other words, it took you about 15 minutes to go--
Mr. WHALEY. It actually took about nine minutes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you put the trip ending Greyhound around 12:30?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You remember that trip, do you? You remember the fact that
you took the trip to the Greyhound and parked your car at the
Greyhound or your cab at the Greyhound, don't you?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; I remember it.
Mr. BALL. Were you standing at the Greyhound, at your cab stand at the
Greyhound, long before you picked up another passenger?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; there was no one at the Greyhound stand and when
I unloaded at the door I just pulled up about 30 feet to the stand and
stopped and then I wanted a package of cigarettes. I was out, so I
started to get out and I saw this passenger coming so I waited for
him.
Mr. BALL. He was coming down the street?
Mr. WHALEY. He was walking down the street. ....
Mr. BALL. Did you notice how he was dressed?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then.
But it all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed
in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were
khaki material, blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in
khaki. Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on
it and he had on some kind of jacket. I didn't notice very close but I
think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants. His shirt
was open three buttons down here. He had on a T-shirt. You know, the
shirt was open three buttons down there.
[DVP: I think it might be again worth pointing out these initial words
spoken by Mr. Whaley above: "I didn't pay much attention to it right
then".
So, possibly a grain of salt should be placed next to the detailed
clothing descriptions given by Whaley. However, by the same token,
Whaley did seem to notice details of Oswald's shirt ("a little
silverlike stripe") that would tend to make his testimony about the
clothing a bit more substantial and reliable.
And Whaley also identified CE150--Oswald's brown arrest shirt--as the
same shirt he saw Oswald wearing while he was in his cab on November
22nd.
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0270a.htm
The CE150 identification by Whaley is somewhat important, because if
Whaley is correct (and the sum total of evidence in the JFK murder
case indicates Whaley was, indeed, correct on this particular point),
it means that Oswald positively wore the SAME SHIRT all day long on
November 22 (both before and after he quickly visited his lodgings on
Beckley Avenue).
Whaley's contention that Oswald was wearing one or more jackets over
the top of his brown shirt and T-shirt is testimony that is very much
in doubt, however. The sum total of evidence indicates that Whaley was
mistaken about Oswald wearing ANY jacket during the cab ride to Oak
Cliff on November 22 (let alone TWO jackets, which is some strange
testimony from Whaley that we'll get to in a moment).
Oswald, by all reliable accounts, owned just two jackets. One of these
jackets was a light, gray, "Eisenhower"-type zipper jacket (CE162,
below):
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While the other jacket known to have been owned by Oswald as of
11/22/63 was a heavier dark blue jacket (CE163, below):
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pages/WH_Vol16_0273a.jpg
We know that Oswald could not possibly have been wearing the blue
jacket when he was in Whaley's cab, because that jacket (CE163) was
subsequently discovered inside the Book Depository Building several
days after the assassination of President Kennedy.
It's very likely that Oswald wore that blue jacket to work on November
22nd. He then abandoned it in the TSBD after he shot the President and
made a hasty exit from the building within about three minutes of the
shooting.
CE150, the gray jacket, was found under a car behind the Texaco
Service Station on Jefferson Boulevard shortly after Oswald (per a
huge amount of evidence) shot and killed Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit
on Tenth Street in Oak Cliff.
Earlene Roberts, the housekeeper at Oswald's roominghouse, testified
that Lee Oswald entered his Beckley residence "in a hurry" at
approximately 1:00 PM on November 22nd. And according to Mrs. Roberts,
Oswald was not wearing any jacket at all when he entered the house,
but he WAS "zipping up" a jacket when he hurriedly exited his small
room:
EARLENE ROBERTS. He {Lee Oswald} went to his room and he was in his
shirt sleeves but I couldn't tell you whether it was a long-sleeved
shirt or what color it was or nothing, and he got a jacket and put it
on--it was kind of a zipper jacket.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen him wear that jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I can't say I did. If I did, I don't remember it.
Mr. BALL. When he came in he was in a shirt?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He was in his shirt sleeves.
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There is also Earlene Roberts' December 5th, 1963, affidavit, which
indicates that Oswald "did not have a jacket when he came in the
house":]
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Mr. BALL. Now, what happened after that, will you tell us in your own
words what he did?
Mr. WHALEY. Well, on this which was the 14th trip, when I picked up at
the Greyhound, I marked it 12:30 to 12:45.
Mr. BALL. You say that can be off 15 minutes?
Mr. WHALEY. That can be off either direction.
Mr. BALL. Anything up to 15 minutes, you say?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I wrote that trip up the same time I wrote the
one up from the Continental bus station to the Greyhound. I marked
this 12:15 to 12:30 and started 12:30 to 12:45. And the next one
starts at 1:15 to 1:30 and it goes on all day long every 15 minutes;
the time keeps pretty approximate.
Mr. BALL. Let's take the 12:30 trip; tell me about that--what the
passenger said.
Mr. WHALEY. He said, "May I have the cab?" I said, "You sure can. Get
in." And instead of opening the back door, he opened the front door,
which is allowable there, and got in.
Mr. BALL. Got in the front door?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. The front seat. And about that time an old lady,
I think she was an old lady, I don't remember nothing but her sticking
her head down past him in the door and said, "Driver, will you call me
a cab down here?" She had seen him get this cab and she wanted one,
too, and he opened the door a little bit like he was going to get out
and he said, "I will let you have this one," and she says, "No, the
driver can call me one." So, I didn't call one because I knew before I
could call one would come around the block and keep it pretty well
covered.
[DVP: I've always thought it kind of interesting that Oswald got in
the FRONT seat of Whaley's cab. To tell the truth, I've always thought
it was kind of a strange thing to do, too. Who rides in the FRONT SEAT
of a taxicab when you're a passenger?
But, as Whaley said, it was "allowable there" (in Dallas), so Whaley
apparently didn't think it was too odd. At least he didn't say
anything about it seeming strange to him during his WC testimony.
Some conspiracy theorists have also remarked that they think it was
out of character for a supposed Presidential assassin to have been
willing to give up his cab at that critical "getaway" time if Oswald
had truly just shot the President a short time earlier.
I suppose, if you tried hard enough to forget about all the OTHER
evidence which indicates Oswald was guilty of shooting JFK (and it's
evidence that is abundance in quantity, as everyone knows), a CTer
could make a case for Oswald being innocent based on the very small
fact that he was apparently willing to surrender his cab to a fellow
passenger on November 22nd.
But, frankly, that type of thin, fringe argument is kind of like
taking a drop of water out of the Atlantic Ocean and then expecting it
to suddenly make the Atlantic as dry as the Mojave.]
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Mr. WHALEY. I asked him where he wanted to go. And he said, "500 North
Beckley." Well, I started up, I started to that address, and the
police cars, the sirens was going, running crisscrossing everywhere,
just a big uproar in that end of town and I said, "What the hell. I
wonder what the hell is the uproar?" And he never said anything. So I
figured he was one of these people that don't like to talk, so I never
said any more to him. But when I got pretty close to 500 block at
Neches and North Beckley, which is the 500 block, he said, "This will
do fine," and I pulled over to the curb right there. He gave me a
dollar bill, the trip was 95 cents. He gave me a dollar bill and
didn't say anything, just got out and closed the door and walked
around the front of the cab over to the other side of the street. Of
course, traffic was moving through there and I put it in gear and
moved on; that is the last I saw of him.
Mr. BALL. When you parked your car, you parked on what street?
Mr. WHALEY. I wasn't parked, I was pulled to the curb on Neches and
North Beckley.
Mr. BALL. Neches, corner of Neches and North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. Which is the 500 block.
[DVP: Whaley was mistaken about the "Neches" reference, because Neches
does not intersect Beckley Avenue:
Whaley meant to say "Neely", not Neches:
And Whaley fully corrected this "Neches/Neely" error in a subsequent
session in front of the Warren Commission on April 8, 1964:]
DAVID W. BELIN. I will take you back to November 22. You turned south
on Beckley and then where did you go as you turned south on Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. I went right up on Beckley headed toward the 500 block.
Mr. BELIN. Then what happened?
Mr. WHALEY. When I got to Beckley almost to the intersection of
Beckley and Neely, he said, "This will do right here," and I pulled up
to the curb.
Mr. BELIN. Was that the 500 block of North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; that was the 700 block.
Mr. BELIN. You let him out not at the 500 block but the 700 block of
North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. ....
Mr. WHALEY. ...I don't think you can understand what I had to put up
with that afternoon.
Mr. BELIN. You mean with the press?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; with everything.
Mr. BELIN. Well, I do understand, sir, and I appreciate that you were
under a great deal of pressure at that time, and I want to try and get
at the actual facts, and that is why we asked you to come back to
testify again, because we wanted to know basically whether or not the
man that you drove in the cab got off in the 500 block or the 700
block.
Mr. WHALEY. The man I drove in the cab got off where I told you he got
off this morning. I picked him up, and I showed you where I picked him
up, and the trip runs 95 cents on the meter. He gave me a dollar and
got off and he never spoke a word to me, except he wanted to go to 500
North Beckley. ....
Mr. BELIN. When did you first ascertain or start thinking about it
that it was the 700 block of North Beckley where you let him off?
Mr. WHALEY. Well, when the FBI man got in my cab and he wanted to go
over the route.
Mr. BELIN. When was this?
Mr. WHALEY. I don't know the exact date, sir, but it was the next
week.
Mr. BELIN. In the next week you told the FBI that it was the 700
block?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; I don't recall. I know I took him to where I let
him out.
Mr. BELIN. You did?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever tell anyone it was the 700 block of North
Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir. I left it said just like I had it on my trip
sheet. Nobody else asked me about it.
Mr. BELIN. When we went out there today, when we started the stopwatch
from the Greyhound bus station to the 700 block of North Beckley, do
you know about how many minutes that was on the stop watch?
Mr. WHALEY. A little more than 5 minutes, between 5 and 6 minutes.
Mr. BELIN. Would your trip that day, on November 22, have been longer
or shorter, or about the same time as the trip we took today?
Mr. WHALEY. It would be approximately the same time, sir, give or take
a few seconds, not minutes. Because the man drove just about as near
to my driving as possible. We made every light that I made, and we
stopped on the lights that I stopped on.
Mr. BELIN. Let the record show that the stopwatch was 5 minutes and 30
seconds from the commencement of the ride to the end of the ride, and
let the record further show that Dr. Goldberg and Mr. Robert Davis
from the Texas attorney general's office and I walked back from the
point where the Deponent Whaley told us he let the passenger off at
[this "at" should really be the word "to"] the residence at 1026 North
Beckley, and that this walk took 5 minutes and 45 seconds. And let the
record further show that after visiting the rooming house at 1026
North Beckley--that is what I call the "long way around route"--was
walked from 1026 North Beckley to the scene of the Tippit shooting,
which took 17 minutes and 45 seconds at an average walking pace, and
this route would be to take Beckley to 10th Street and then turn on
10th Street toward Patton, and this is not the most direct route.
Rather, the most direct route would be to take Beckley to Davis Street
and then turn left or east on Davis, walking a short block to
Crawford, and taking Crawford to 10th, and then 10th east to Patton,
or taking Davis Street directly to Patton, and taking Patton down to
East 10th, and that the more direct nature of the later route appears
from the map which I believe is Commission's Exhibit No. 371, which is
the Dallas street map.
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Mr. BALL. Was there anything in particular about him beside his
clothing that you could identify such as jewelry, bracelets?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; he had on a bracelet of some type on his left
arm. It looked like an identification bracelet. Just shiny, you know,
how you see anything shiny, an unusual watchband or something shiny,
you notice things like that.
[DVP: As can be seen in the photos of Oswald below (which were taken
on the day of the assassination, with Oswald still wearing the brown
shirt he was arrested in), LHO is wearing a bracelet on his LEFT
wrist, aligning with Whaley's testimony:]
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Mr. BALL. Here is Commission No. 162, which is a gray jacket with
zipper.
Mr. WHALEY. I think that is the jacket he had on when he rode with me
in the cab.
Mr. BALL. Look something like it? And here is Commission Exhibit No.
163. Does this look like anything he had on?
Mr. WHALEY. He had this one on or the other one.
Mr. BALL. That is right.
Mr. WHALEY. That is what I told you I noticed. I told you about the
shirt being open, he had on the two jackets with the open shirt.
Mr. BALL. Wait a minute, we have got the shirt which you have
identified as the rust brown shirt with the gold stripe in it.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You said that a jacket--
Mr. WHALEY. That jacket--now it might have been clean, but the jacket
he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he
had this coat here on over that other jacket; I am sure, sir.
[DVP: Now, here is where we're confronted with some very odd testimony
given by Mr. Whaley. As previously discussed, it's highly doubtful
that Oswald was wearing ANY jacket at all when he rode in Whaley's cab
on November 22nd. But here we have testimony from an otherwise
seemingly very observant witness (Mr. Whaley) that indicates the
possibility that Oswald was wearing not only one jacket...but two!
About all I can say here is: Whaley is simply wrong. We know he's
wrong about the blue jacket, because that jacket was found in the
Depository in December '63. (I wonder if some conspiracy theorists
think that the police "planted" the blue jacket in the TSBD's Domino
Room after the assassination? Or maybe they think Oswald borrowed
somebody else's blue jacket for his ride in the cab on 11/22?)
I cannot fully reconcile Mr. Whaley's "jacket" testimony above. But by
far the best indication that Whaley really did carry Lee Oswald in his
taxi on 11/22/63, regardless of any comments made about "jackets", is
this testimony from Whaley:]
Mr. BALL. They brought you down to the Dallas police station?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you do there?
Mr. WHALEY. ...They took me down in their room where they have their
show-ups and all, and me and this other taxi driver who was with me,
sir, we sat in the room awhile and directly they brought in six men,
young teenagers, and they all were handcuffed together. Well, they
wanted me to pick out my passenger. At that time he had on a pair of
black pants and white T-shirt, that is all he had on. But you could
have picked him out without identifying him by just listening to him
because he was bawling out the policeman, telling them it wasn't right
to put him in line with these teenagers and all of that and they asked
me which one and I told them. It was him all right, the same man.
Mr. BALL. They had him in line with men much younger?
Mr. WHALEY. With five others.
Mr. BALL. Men much younger?
Mr. WHALEY. Not much younger, but just young kids; they might have got
them in jail.
Mr. BALL. Did he look older than those other boys?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And he was talking, was he?
Mr. WHALEY. He showed no respect for the policemen, he told them what
he thought about them. They knew what they were doing and they were
trying to railroad him and he wanted his lawyer.
Mr. BALL. Did that aid you in the identification of the man?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; it wouldn't have at all, except that I said
anybody who wasn't sure could have picked out the right one just for
that. It didn't aid me, because I knew he was the right one as soon as
I saw him.
Mr. BALL. You don't think that that in any way influenced your
identification?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; it did not. When you drive a taxi, sir, as long
as I have, you can almost look at a man--in fact, you have to--to be
able to tell whether you can trust or whether you can't trust him,
what he is. Now, like you got in my taxicab and I looked you over and
you told me, "Just wait for me here" and went in the building. Well, I
will have to know whether I could just say, "OK, sir." Or say, "Will
you leave me a $5 bill, sir?" When you drive a taxi that long, you
learn to judge people, and what I actually thought of the man when he
got in was that he was a wino who had been off his bottle for about
two days. That is the way he looked, sir. That was my opinion of him.
Mr. BALL. What was there about his appearance that gave you that
impression? Hair mussed?
Mr. WHALEY. Just the slow way he walked up. He didn't talk. He wasn't
in any hurry. He wasn't nervous or anything.
Mr. BALL. He didn't run?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he look dirty?
Mr. WHALEY. He looked like his clothes had been slept in, sir, but he
wasn't actually dirty. The T-shirt was a little soiled around the
collar, but the bottom part of it was white. You have to know those
winos, or they will get in and ride with you and there isn't nothing
you can do but call the police. The city gets the fine and you get
nothing.
[DVP: Worth repeating:]
"But you could have picked him out without identifying him by
just listening to him because he was bawling out the policeman,
telling them it wasn't right to put him in line with these teenagers
and all of that and they asked me which one and I told them. It was
him all right, the same man." -- William W. Whaley
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Mr. BALL. Can you give me any estimate of the time it took you to go
that 2-and-a-half miles?
Mr. WHALEY. Not actually, sir. I run it again with the policeman
because the policeman was worried; he run the same trip and he
couldn't come out the same time I did. But he was turning off of
Jackson and Lamar when the light was wrong, and he was hitting a red
light at Wood--I mean at Austin and Jackson--and he hit a red light at
Wood and Austin. Then he hit a red light at Houston. Where I wait to
make my turn until the light is right just after it has been green,
almost ready for it to come red, turn right then, then the other
lights turn green just as fast as you get to them, go on right
through, you save about 2 minutes in traffic that way. That is where I
got the 2 minutes on him he never could make up. So I had to go back
with him to make that trip--to show him I was right.
Mr. BALL. How much time, in that experiment, when you hit the lights
right, how long did it take you?
Mr. WHALEY. Nine minutes.
Mr. BALL. Nine minutes?
Mr. WHALEY. Nine minutes.
GERALD R. FORD. Now on this particular trip with Oswald, do you recall
the lights being with you?
Mr. WHALEY. They were with me, sir; for I timed them that way before I
took off. Because I made that so much that I know the light system and
how they are going to turn.
Mr. FORD. So this was a typical trip?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
EARL WARREN. The witness has been driving a taxicab in Dallas for 36
years.
Mr. WHALEY. Thirty-seven, sir.
Mr. WARREN. Thirty-seven.
Mr. WHALEY. You name an intersection in the city of Dallas and I will
tell you what is on all four corners.
[DVP: The above "9 minutes" testimony is from Whaley's first WC
session in March 1964, which means there's about a 4-minute difference
in "re-created cab ride" times from the 9-minute re-creation Whaley
had a policeman perform and the 5.5-minute re-creation that was
performed specifically for the Warren Commission in early April of
'64.
But based on EITHER of those re-created times for the Whaley/Oswald
cab ride, Lee Oswald still would have had ample time to get to his
roominghouse by approximately 1:00 PM on November 22, and then travel
(on foot) the additional 0.85 of a mile to Tenth & Patton to kill
Officer Tippit after leaving his Beckley room.
Although, granted, based on the "9-minute" re-created cab ride, the
timeline is quite a bit tighter for Oswald to have gotten from 1026
Beckley to 10th & Patton by approximately 1:14 or 1:15 PM.
But we must also remember that we have no idea at all how fast or slow
Lee Oswald was walking (or running) when he travelled that 0.85 mile
from Beckley to Tenth Street on 11/22/63. And I believe that some
people who have re-created Oswald's famous Beckley-to-Tenth trek have
been able to make the trip in about 11 minutes, which is just about
right, based on the first timeline listed below.
Let's break it down via both of the re-created times, per Whaley's
testimony shown in this post (keeping in mind that all times of this
nature are only general "approximations" with respect to the actual
amount of time it took Whaley to travel from the Greyhound station to
Neely & Beckley in Oak Cliff on 11/22/63):
VIA THE 9-MINUTE RE-CREATED TIMELINE:
12:30 -- Oswald shoots JFK.
12:33 -- Oswald leaves TSBD.
12:40 -- Oswald gets on bus.
12:44 -- Oswald gets transfer and exits bus.
12:48 -- Oswald gets into Whaley's cab.
12:57 -- Oswald gets out of cab.
1:02:45 -- Oswald arrives at his roominghouse.
1:03:45* -- Oswald leaves his roominghouse "in a hurry".
1:14:30** -- Oswald shoots and kills J.D. Tippit.
VIA THE 5.5-MINUTE RE-CREATED TIMELINE:
12:30 -- Oswald shoots JFK.
12:33 -- Oswald leaves TSBD.
12:40 -- Oswald gets on bus.
12:44 -- Oswald gets transfer and exits bus.
12:48 -- Oswald gets into Whaley's cab.
12:53:30 -- Oswald gets out of cab.
12:59:15 -- Oswald arrives at his roominghouse.
1:00:15* -- Oswald leaves his roominghouse "in a hurry".
1:14:30** -- Oswald shoots and kills J.D. Tippit.
* = DVP's "LHO Was In His Room For Only 1 Minute" estimate, which
differs from the WC/Earlene Roberts estimate, which has Oswald inside
his room for "3 or 4 minutes". I can't buy that. Never did. Keep in
mind that Mrs. Roberts also said during her WC testimony that Oswald
was in his room "just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a
jacket and put it on".
** = Dale Myers' estimate of when Tippit was likely shot (Source:
"With Malice"; Page 382). The other times shown in the above timelines
align with the Warren Commission's timeline estimates, per CE1119-A
(linked below).]
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0058b.htm
==============================
==============================
robcap...@netscape.com
> EXAMINING THE TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM W. WHALEY:
>
> ========================================
>
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/html/WC_Vol2_015...
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/html/WC_Vol6_021...
"William Wayne Whaley had been a cab driver in Dallas, Texas, for 37
years as of Friday, November 22, 1963. On that date, at approximately
12:48 PM, Mr. Whaley had the very unique experience of having a
Presidential assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, get into his "1961 Checker"
taxicab at the Greyhound Bus Station in downtown Dallas."
The fact of LHO being the "presidential assassin" has NEVER been
proven in a court of law, therefore, the word alleged is required.
"For a 95-cent fare, Whaley drove President John F. Kennedy's assassin
from the Greyhound station to the Oak Cliff section of Dallas, a
distance of a little less than 2.5 miles. Oswald told Whaley that he
wanted a ride to the "500 block of North Beckley"."
Once again the word alleged is required, and also we have NO proof
this fare ever took place in regards to LHO being the passenger.
"But instead of travelling to that exact destination (or to his real,
intended destination of his roominghouse, located at 1026 North
Beckley Avenue), Oswald told Whaley to pull over to the curb near the
intersection of Neely and Beckley (which was originally mis-identified
as the corner of "Neches and Beckley" during Whaley's first session in
front of the Warren Commission). Neely & Beckley was located in the
700 block of Beckley, about three city blocks beyond Oswald's rented
room at 1026 Beckley."
Again, more unproven things mentioned by the WC. The problem is their
ONLY witness for this whole cab trip is Whaley, NO ONE else could be
found to say they saw LHO in a cab, or dropped off where the WC
claimed he was.
"Oswald then backtracked the three-block distance on foot. It's very
likely, in my opinion, that Oswald had two reasons for telling Whaley
to take him past his real destination on November 22nd. One reason
would probably have been so that Oswald could check to see if there
were any police cars near his roominghouse. And secondly, LHO likely
didn't want cab driver Whaley to know for sure just exactly where he
lived in Oak Cliff."
How about some proof for these reasons? How about evidence showing
this is what really happened?
"William Whaley has been called a subpar or unreliable or unbelievable
witness by many conspiracy theorists over the years, with those
"CTers" claiming that the passenger Whaley took to Oak Cliff shortly
after JFK was assassinated could not possibly have been Lee Harvey
Oswald."
I think he was very reliable, so much in fact, that the WC had to
ignore most of his testimony to make it fit their phony story.
"The conspiracists who say those things about Whaley cite the fact
that Whaley's description of the clothing worn by his passenger
doesn't match the clothing worn by Lee Oswald on 11/22/63. Plus, some
CTers feel Whaley is unreliable based also on his initial error
regarding the street location where he said he dropped off Oswald (the
Neches vs. Neely mistake, which was fully corrected by Whaley, as
we'll see
below)."
The clothing issue is a major one that proves it was NOT LHO as the
man rode next to Whaley and not in the back seat. Therefore, the fact
that Whaley got the clothing wrong proves it was NOT LHO in his cab.
"But there's one thing that CTers cannot avoid....and that is the fact
that William W. Whaley POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED (without a shred of
hesitation) Lee Harvey Oswald as the man who was in his cab on the
afternoon of November 22nd, 1963 (as we will also see below, via
Whaley's own testimony)."
We'll see about that. LHO was in a lineup with a bunch of teenagers
and complaining about it.
"Let's examine some of Whaley's Warren Commission testimony now (with
some of my comments included along the way). Whaley's testimony
consists of three separate segments of text within the WC volumes,
covering two days' worth of testimony (on March 12, 1964, and April 8,
1964):"
I'm sure it will only include parts that help Dave's outlook on things
as well, so I'm here to provide the other stuff.
> ==============================
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
As usual let's start with something Dave felt wasn't necessary when he
jumped to this part:
Mr. BALL. About 12:30 that day where were you?
Mr. WHALEY. Well, about 12:30 as you say, sir; I was at the Greyhound
bus station. I have a copy of my trip sheet here.
Mr. BALL. Could I see that, please?
Mr. WHALEY. **The FBI took the original and the pictures of the cab
and everything.
Mr. BALL. That is what I have been waiting for.**
Mr. WHALEY. I think it is supposed to be delivered to you, sir.
Mr. BALL. That is right. I am glad you have that copy.
Mr. WHALEY. I thought maybe you might need it. You look down there it
says Greyhound, 500 North Beckley, ++I think it is marked 12:30 to
12:45.++ Now that could have been 10 minutes off in each direction
because I didn't use a watch, I just guess, in other words, all my
trips are marked about 15 minutes each.
** Notice how Whaley says all of his originals and pictures of the cab
were seized by the FBI and were supposed to have been sent to the WC,
but by Mr. Ball's comment we see they never were. Why?
++ This is a key part of the testimony the WC ignored, as Whaley
marked the time of the pickup as 12:30 p.m. The WC would claim,
incorrectly, that he used 15 minute brackets to register is pickups
but this is false as he had numerous pickups and dropoffs with odd
times as 6:20 a.m., 7:50 a.m., etc... This is key as LHO was in the
TSBD at 12:30 p.m. and this shows the 15 minute ride began then. Even
if the 15 minute block was correct, and it isn't, LHO did NOT get into
the cab until 12:48 p.m. according to the WC, so why mark it as
12:30-12:45 p.m.?
"So, possibly a grain of salt should be placed next to the detailed
clothing descriptions given by Whaley. However, by the same token,
Whaley did seem to notice details of Oswald's shirt ("a little
silverlike stripe") that would tend to make his testimony about the
clothing a bit more substantial and reliable.
And Whaley also identified CE150--Oswald's brown arrest shirt--as the
same shirt he saw Oswald wearing while he was in his cab on November
22nd."
He got the clothing right, it doesn't match what LHO was wearing. He
was saying the jacket matched the pants and we know LHO only had two
jackets - one blue and gray. The brown shirt is the shirt LHO would
change into AFTER the cab ride so how could he see LHO in it now? How
did Whaley notice the "little silverlike stripe"? This is why:
Mr. BALL. Let's take the 12:30 trip, tell me about that, what the
passenger said.
Mr. WHALEY. He said, "May I have the cab?"
I said, "You sure can. Get in." And instead of opening the back door
he opened the front door, which is allowable there, and got in.
Mr. BALL. Got in the front door?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. The front seat.
Does sound like a maniac? Or someone trying to hide? Why get in the
front seat? The "maniac" as Bledsoe described him even offers his cab
to an elderly lady when he is supposed to be in flight:
Mr. BALL. Got in the front door?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. The front seat. And about that time an old lady,
I think she was an old lady, I don't remember nothing but her sticking
her head down past him in the door and said, "Driver, will you call me
a cab down here?" She had seen him get this cab and she wanted one,
too, and he opened the door a little bit like he was going to get out
and **he said, "I will let you have this one,"** and she says, "No,
the driver can call me one." So, I didn't call one because I knew
before I could call one would come around the block and keep it pretty
well covered.
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0...
"The CE150 identification by Whaley is somewhat important, because if
Whaley is correct (and the sum total of evidence in the JFK murder
case indicates Whaley was, indeed, correct on this particular point),
it means that Oswald positively wore the SAME SHIRT all day long on
November 22 (both before and after he quickly visited his lodgings on
Beckley Avenue).
Whaley's contention that Oswald was wearing one or more jackets over
the top of his brown shirt and T-shirt is testimony that is very much
in doubt, however. The sum total of evidence indicates that Whaley was
mistaken about Oswald wearing ANY jacket during the cab ride to Oak
Cliff on November 22 (let alone TWO jackets, which is some strange
testimony from Whaley that we'll get to in a moment)."
Let's look at this closer. Dave is like the WC, he knows the man
could NOT be wearing two jackets, and that Whaley is wrong despite him
sitting right next to the man!!! Here is the testimony regarding the
jackets:
Mr. BALL. Here is Commission No. 162 which is a gray jacket with
zipper.
Mr. WHALEY. I thank that is the jacket he had on when he rode with me
in the cab.
Mr. BALL. Look something like it?
And here is Commission Exhibit No. 163, does this look like anything
he had on?
Mr. WHALEY. He had this one on or the other one.
Mr. BALL. That is right.
Mr. WHALEY. That is what I told you I noticed. I told you about the
shirt being open, he had on the two jackets with the open shirt.
Here we have Whaley saying LHO wore a blue jacket that would be found
in the depository 10 days later (domino room) and the gray zipper
jacket he would not put on until he got to the rooming house according
to the WC. How can this be? It is possible this man was part of the
frame and the blue jacket would be left at the TSBD and of course he
would leave the gray jacket to be found near the Tippit murder scene.
Perhaps he is even the real killer of JDT.
"Oswald, by all reliable accounts, owned just two jackets. One of
these jackets was a light, gray, "Eisenhower"-type zipper jacket
(CE162, below):
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pages/WH_Vol16_...
While the other jacket known to have been owned by Oswald as of
11/22/63 was a heavier dark blue jacket (CE163, below):
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pages/WH_Vol16_...
We know that Oswald could not possibly have been wearing the blue
jacket when he was in Whaley's cab, because that jacket (CE163) was
subsequently discovered inside the Book Depository Building several
days after the assassination of President Kennedy."
Why couldn't it have been worn by the man impersonating LHO and then
left there or given to the right authorities to be "found" in the TSBD
days later?
"It's very likely that Oswald wore that blue jacket to work on
November 22nd. He then abandoned it in the TSBD after he shot the
President and made a hasty exit from the building within about three
minutes of the shooting.
CE150, the gray jacket, was found under a car behind the Texaco
Service Station on Jefferson Boulevard shortly after Oswald (per a
huge amount of evidence) shot and killed Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit
on Tenth Street in Oak Cliff."
What evidence is there to show LHO ran to the Texaco Station? The
jacket was NEVER tied to LHO in anyway, how come?
"Earlene Roberts, the housekeeper at Oswald's roominghouse, testified
that Lee Oswald entered his Beckley residence "in a hurry" at
approximately 1:00 PM on November 22nd. And according to Mrs. Roberts,
Oswald was not wearing any jacket at all when he entered the house,
but he WAS "zipping up" a jacket when he hurriedly exited his small
room:
EARLENE ROBERTS. He {Lee Oswald} went to his room and he was in his
shirt sleeves but I couldn't tell you whether it was a long-sleeved
shirt or what color it was or nothing, and he got a jacket and put it
on--it was kind of a zipper jacket.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen him wear that jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I can't say I did. If I did, I don't remember it.
Mr. BALL. When he came in he was in a shirt?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He was in his shirt sleeves."
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/robertse.htm
"There is also Earlene Roberts' December 5th, 1963, affidavit, which
indicates that Oswald "did not have a jacket when he came in the
house":]"
This all further proves the man who got in Whaley's cab was NOT LHO!
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_022...
> ==============================
More hogwash from Dave. He has NO evidence to tie LHO to either crime
so he just talks about this "evidence" instead. It is odd behavior
for a man on the run to offer his cab to another person. Sitting up
front is quite odd to for someone who is on the "run" as well, and
these were never properly looked into or explained.
> ==============================
"Mr. WHALEY. I asked him where he wanted to go. And he said, "500
North Beckley." Well, I started up, I started to that address, and the
police cars, the sirens was going, running crisscrossing everywhere,
just a big uproar in that end of town and I said, "What the hell. I
wonder what the hell is the uproar?" And he never said anything. So I
figured he was one of these people that don't like to talk, so I never
said any more to him. But when I got pretty close to 500 block at
Neches and North Beckley, which is the 500 block, he said, "This will
do fine," and I pulled over to the curb right there. He gave me a
dollar bill, the trip was 95 cents. He gave me a dollar bill and
didn't say anything, just got out and closed the door and walked
around the front of the cab over to the other side of the street. Of
course, traffic was moving through there and I put it in gear and
moved on; that is the last I saw of him.
Mr. BALL. When you parked your car, you parked on what street?
Mr. WHALEY. I wasn't parked, I was pulled to the curb on Neches and
North Beckley.
Mr. BALL. Neches, corner of Neches and North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. Which is the 500 block.
[DVP: Whaley was mistaken about the "Neches" reference, because Neches
does not intersect Beckley Avenue:
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Neches+St,+Dallas,+T...
Whaley meant to say "Neely", not Neches:"
Then why did the WC NOT mention this and why did they have him mark a
map at this spot?
Mr. BALL. Here is Neches right here.
Mr. WHALEY. Let me see where Neches is, is that right? Yes, that is
it.
This is the intersection right there.
Mr. BALL. We put an "X" there.
Mr. WHALEY. That is where he got off.
Mr. BALL. That is where you dropped your passenger, is that right?
Mr. WHALEY. That is--as far as I can see that is Neches.
Mr. BALL. That is Neches, that is Beckley.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; that is right, because that is the 500 block of
North Beckley.
Mr. BALL. Now, we will mark the beginning of your trip on the large
map as "Y", and where you dropped your passenger as an "X".
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. "Y" is the corner of Lamar and Jackson, and "X" is the
corner of Neches and Beckley.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Why are they marking an non-existent corner with an "X"?
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Neely+St.+Dallas,+TX...
Mr. BELIN. You did?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0...
This was all changed to make the unbelievable time schedule of the WC
a little less unbelievable. Why would a cab driver with 37 years of
experience NOT know the difference between the 500 and 700 blocks of
N. Beckley? Why would he drop him off at a non-existent corner? These
two blocks saved time and made it seem like LHO could walk to the
rooming house by 1:00 p.m. In his 11/23/63 affadavit Whaley said his
"fare got out of the car and walked in front of the cab at an angle
SOUTH on Beckley St.", but the problem is LHO's rooming house was
NORTH and the WC said he went directly there. NO problem, in his
March testimony he would say that his passenger "went around in front,
yes sir; crossed the street...I didn't see if he walked north or south
from there."
> ==============================
"Mr. BALL. Was there anything in particular about him beside his
clothing that you could identify such as jewelry, bracelets?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; he had on a bracelet of some type on his left
arm. It looked like an identification bracelet. Just shiny, you know,
how you see anything shiny, an unusual watchband or something shiny,
you notice things like that.
[DVP: As can be seen in the photos of Oswald below (which were taken
on the day of the assassination, with Oswald still wearing the brown
shirt he was arrested in), LHO is wearing a bracelet on his LEFT
wrist, aligning with Whaley's testimony:]"
Sure, LHO was the only man who wore a bracelet in all of Dallas.
> http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bcQ3jJ3rT7Pe/340x.jpg
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/oswald2.gif
> ==============================
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
And you know he is wrong because? You were there in the cab on
11/22/63? The way it works Dave is you have to produce other witnesses
or actual evidence to show a witness is wrong in their recollections,
NOT just say they are. Where is your other witness(es) or proof?
"About all I can say here is: Whaley is simply wrong. We know he's
wrong about the blue jacket, because that jacket was found in the
Depository in December '63. (I wonder if some conspiracy theorists
think that the police "planted" the blue jacket in the TSBD's Domino
Room after the assassination? Or maybe they think Oswald borrowed
somebody else's blue jacket for his ride in the cab on 11/22?)"
Of course he is because he doesn't agree with your science fiction
tale, but where is your proof he is wrong? What about the pants? You
have conveniently NOT mentioned them, but LHO was NOT wearing blue
pants anytime on 11/22/63.
"I cannot fully reconcile Mr. Whaley's "jacket" testimony above. But
by far the best indication that Whaley really did carry Lee Oswald in
his taxi on 11/22/63, regardless of any comments made about "jackets",
is this testimony from Whaley:]
Mr. BALL. They brought you down to the Dallas police station?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir."
But when did they do this, Dave leaves this part out.
Mr. BALL. Later that day did you--were you called down to the police
department?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Were you the next day?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; they came and got me, sir, the next day after I
told my superior when I saw in the paper his picture, I told my
superiors that that had been my passenger that day at noon. They
called up the police and they came up and got me.
Mr. BALL. When you saw in the newspaper the picture of the man?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
So here he has seen the picture of the man he is going to "ID" for
us.
"Mr. BALL. What did you do there?
Mr. WHALEY. ...They took me down in their room where they have their
show-ups and all, and me and this other taxi driver who was with me,
sir, we sat in the room awhile and directly they brought in six men,
young teenagers, and they all were handcuffed together. Well, they
wanted me to pick out my passenger. At that time he had on a pair of
black pants and white T-shirt, that is all he had on. But you could
have picked him out without identifying him by just listening to him
because he was bawling out the policeman, telling them it wasn't right
to put him in line with these teenagers and all of that and they asked
me which one and I told them. It was him all right, the same man."
Notice Dave starts with ...., why? Here is the beginning of this
statement:
Mr. WHALEY. Well, I tried to get by the reporters, stepping over
television cables and you couldn't hardly get by, they would grab you
and wanted to know what you were doing down here, even with the
detectives one in front and one behind you. **Then they took me in an
office there and I think Bill Alexander, the Assistant District
Attorney, two or three, I was introduced to two or three who were FBI
men and they wanted my deposition of what happened.
So, I told them to the best of my ability. Then ...**
Why was he taken into the office of the A.D.A., with 2-3 FBI men,
before he made his ID?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes.
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
[DVP: Worth repeating:]
I'm surprised Dave would repeat this as it shows what a joke the
police lineup was. Dave thinks because LHO was the only one concerned
with his rights he is guilty.
> ==============================
Mr. WHALEY. Nine minutes.
Mr. BALL. Nine minutes?
Mr. WHALEY. Nine minutes.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. WHALEY. Thirty-seven, sir.
Mr. WARREN. Thirty-seven.
How convenient that he recanted and the WC was able to get the cab
ride down to 5.5 minutes, huh? What does a 37 year cabbie know,
right?
"But based on EITHER of those re-created times for the Whaley/Oswald
cab ride, Lee Oswald still would have had ample time to get to his
roominghouse by approximately 1:00 PM on November 22, and then travel
(on foot) the additional 0.85 of a mile to Tenth & Patton to kill
Officer Tippit after leaving his Beckley room."
Says the you and the WC, but most normal, reasonable people doubt
this, especially when you have no real witnesses to prove it.
"Although, granted, based on the "9-minute" re-created cab ride, the
timeline is quite a bit tighter for Oswald to have gotten from 1026
Beckley to 10th & Patton by approximately 1:14 or 1:15 PM.
But we must also remember that we have no idea at all how fast or slow
Lee Oswald was walking (or running) when he travelled that 0.85 mile
from Beckley to Tenth Street on 11/22/63. And I believe that some
people who have re-created Oswald's famous Beckley-to-Tenth trek have
been able to make the trip in about 11 minutes, which is just about
right, based on the first timeline listed below."
Did this recreation have the same amount of choas and traffic the
original one did? Or were the streets empty or did they have cops
escort them?
"Let's break it down via both of the re-created times, per Whaley's
testimony shown in this post (keeping in mind that all times of this
nature are only general
"approximations" with respect to the actual amount of time it took
Whaley to travel from the Greyhound station to Neely & Beckley in Oak
Cliff on 11/22/63):
VIA THE 9-MINUTE RE-CREATED TIMELINE:
12:30 -- Oswald shoots JFK."
Not proven in the least. Open case.
"12:33 -- Oswald leaves TSBD."
Agreed.
"12:40 -- Oswald gets on bus."
Never proven.
"12:44 -- Oswald gets transfer and exits bus."
Never proven it was LHO.
"12:48 -- Oswald gets into Whaley's cab."
Never proven it was LHO.
"12:57 -- Oswald gets out of cab."
Never proven it was LHO.
"1:02:45 -- Oswald arrives at his roominghouse."
He got there at 1:00 p.m.
"1:03:45* -- Oswald leaves his roominghouse "in a hurry"."
Agreed.
"1:14:30** -- Oswald shoots and kills J.D. Tippit."
Never proven.
"VIA THE 5.5-MINUTE RE-CREATED TIMELINE:"
All the same things apply here.
>
> 12:30 -- Oswald shoots JFK.
> 12:33 -- Oswald leaves TSBD.
> 12:40 -- Oswald gets on bus.
> 12:44 -- Oswald gets transfer and exits bus.
> 12:48 -- Oswald gets into Whaley's cab.
> 12:53:30 -- Oswald gets out of cab.
> 12:59:15 -- Oswald arrives at his roominghouse.
> 1:00:15* -- Oswald leaves his roominghouse "in a hurry".
> 1:14:30** -- Oswald shoots and kills J.D. Tippit.
>
> * = DVP's "LHO Was In His Room For Only 1 Minute" estimate, which
> differs from the WC/Earlene Roberts estimate, which has Oswald inside
> his room for "3 or 4 minutes". I can't buy that. Never did. Keep in
> mind that Mrs. Roberts also said during her WC testimony that Oswald
> was in his room "just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a
> jacket and put it on".
>
> ** = Dale Myers' estimate of when Tippit was likely shot (Source:
> "With Malice"; Page 382). The other times shown in the above timelines
> align with the Warren Commission's timeline estimates, per CE1119-A
> (linked below).]
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0...
>
> ==============================
>
> www.DavidVonPein.blogspot.com
>
> ==============================
Walt
> EXAMINING THE TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM W. WHALEY:
>
> ========================================
>
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/html/WC_Vol2_015...
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/html/WC_Vol6_021...
>
> years as of Friday, November 22, 1963. On that date, at approximately
> 12:48 PM, Mr. Whaley had the very unique experience of having a
> Presidential assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, get into his "1961 Checker"
> taxicab at the Greyhound Bus Station in downtown Dallas.
Damnit idiot, how many times do I have to tell you to start out on the
LEFT foot? You've started out on the wrong foot again.... Oswald
told his interrogators that he had caught a "CITY" cab for the ride to
the theater.
Whaley didn't work for the CITY cab company.....
When Oswald arrived at his room in a CITY cab He asked the Driver to
wait a couple of minutes while he went to his room. The driver was
parked at a bus stop and told Oswald to hurry. While Oswald was in
his room changing his clothes a police car pulled up behind the CITY
cab and honked the car horn to warn the cab driver to move on out of
the bus stop. The driver left and circled the block. When Oswald
emerged from his room hastily putting on a jacket the cab was gone, a
minute later at about 1:04, the cab reappeared and took Oswald to the
Texas theater.
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0...
>
> The CE150 identification by Whaley is somewhat important, because if
> Whaley is correct (and the sum total of evidence in the JFK murder
> case indicates Whaley was, indeed, correct on this particular point),
> it means that Oswald positively wore the SAME SHIRT all day long on
> November 22 (both before and after he quickly visited his lodgings on
> Beckley Avenue).
>
> Whaley's contention that Oswald was wearing one or more jackets over
> the top of his brown shirt and T-shirt is testimony that is very much
> in doubt, however. The sum total of evidence indicates that Whaley was
> mistaken about Oswald wearing ANY jacket during the cab ride to Oak
> Cliff on November 22 (let alone TWO jackets, which is some strange
> testimony from Whaley that we'll get to in a moment).
>
> Oswald, by all reliable accounts, owned just two jackets. One of these
> jackets was a light, gray, "Eisenhower"-type zipper jacket (CE162,
> below):
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pages/WH_Vol16_...
>
> While the other jacket known to have been owned by Oswald as of
> 11/22/63 was a heavier dark blue jacket (CE163, below):
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pages/WH_Vol16_...
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_022...
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> Mr. BALL. Now, what happened after that, will you tell us in your own
> words what he did?
>
> Mr. WHALEY. Well, on this which was the 14th trip, when I picked up at
> the Greyhound, I marked it 12:30 to 12:45.
>
> Mr. BALL. You say that can be off 15 minutes?
>
> Mr. WHALEY. That can be off either direction.
>
> Mr. BALL. Anything up to 15 minutes, you say?
>
> Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I wrote that trip up the same time I wrote the
> one up from the Continental bus station to the Greyhound. I marked
> this 12:15 to 12:30 and started 12:30 to 12:45. And the next one
> starts at 1:15 to 1:30 and it goes on all day long every 15 minutes;
> the time keeps pretty approximate.
>
> Mr. BALL. Let's take the 12:30 trip; tell me about that--what the
> passenger said.
>
> Mr. WHALEY. He said, "May I have the cab?" I said, "You sure can. Get
> in." And instead of ...
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David Von Pein
Jesus H. Christ, what a kook you are.
Any more stuff you'd like to make up out of thin air, Walt?
Geez.
David Von Pein
>>> "I was merely trying to expose the sheer emptiness of your suggestion that Oswald was looking for police cars surrounding his rooming house." <<<
It's not an empty suggestion at all (IMO). In fact, it's the only
really logical conclusion to reach for why Oswald would have wanted to
SLOW HIMSELF DOWN BY ABOUT 5 MINUTES (5 min., 45 sec., in fact, per
the WC re-creation of the trek from Beckley & Neely to 1026 Beckley)
by telling Whaley to go three blocks beyond his actual destination
after just having committed a Presidential murder.
>>> "To suggest that Hosty -- if he'd had Oswald's phone number, which he did not -- would have arranged such a scenario in an effort to apprehend Oswald when he came home after killing the president of the United States assigns a level of stupidity to Hosty and the Dallas Police previously not imagined even in the most farfetched conspiracy theories." <<<
Why on Earth does James Hosty necessarily have to enter into this
"LOOKING FOR POLICE CARS" equation at all (from LHO's own POV, that
is)? Obviously, Hosty doesn't have to enter into it whatsoever.
Oswald had just shot the President 2.5 miles from 1026 Beckley. He
knows it's been about a half-hour since he did so. He can't possibly
know how many people might have seen him shooting from his sixth-floor
window. And he can't be sure the cops aren't already aware of his home
address as of 1 PM on 11/22 either.
All of these things are "unknowables" to murderer Oswald at 1:00 PM.
Why WOULDN'T he possibly suspect some cops were on his tail almost
immediately?
I can think of no BETTER reason that the "I Better Check The Area For
Police Before I Depart This Cab" reason for Oswald wanting to
intentionally slow down his getaway by 5 or more minutes by having the
cab driver take him 3 blocks beyond 1026 Beckley. Did he want to just
get a little extra exercise that day by walking the extra 3 blocks?
David Von Pein
>>> "Because Hosty would have been the only possible means by which anyone in authority could have possbily determined Oswald's rooming house address....IF Ruth Paine had given the phone number to him, which she did not." <<<
Meaningless argument....because we're talking about what Oswald would
have been thinking at the time. He can't possibly know all the
potential forces that might be surrounding him a half-hour after he
shot the President. Hosty doesn't need to enter into it at all.
Paranoia on LHO's part is probably going to start sinking in (I would
think anyway). He just shot JFK....therefore everybody in the world is
going to be looking for the person who just shot the President. And
who WAS that person? Lee H. Oswald. (And that's a really good reason
to start getting paranoid about the cops if you ask me.)
>>> "You've offered no plausible reason for Oswald to care if Whaley had learned his rooming house address." <<<
Tony did it for me earlier -- i.e., cops wanting to know where taxi
drivers dropped their passengers.
All of this Monday-morning QBing is merely a parlor game anyway. The
bottom line facts are: Oswald killed Kennedy and Oswald did tell
Whaley to drive 3 blocks beyond his home.
The "Why?" portion of the scenario can never be answered to
everybody's satisfaction. Nor does it need to be, of course, to decide
whether or not Lee Harvey Oswald was a double-murderer.
David Von Pein
>>> "You still don't seem to get it. For the third time -- or is it the
fourth? - Oswald knew that he'd never shared his rooming house address
with anyone --- {BLAH-BLAH----cut}..." <<<
What's the use? You've taken a whole bottle of thick pills today (and
yesterday)...so I won't even bother arguing with you anymore about
Oswald's fairly-obvious reasons for doing what he did on Nov. 22nd.
David Von Pein
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Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0270a.htm
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pages/WH_Vol16_0272b.jpg
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pages/WH_Vol16_0273a.jpg
CE162, the gray jacket, was found under a car behind the Texaco
David Von Pein
revised/corrected version of that article. As usual, I found an error/
typo after I posted it (days later this time), and had to correct it.
At one point, I identified Oswald's gray zipper jacket as "CE150",
which is incorrect. The jacket is CE162. CE150 is Oswald's brown shirt.