Did Lee Harvey Oswald Have A Motive For Killing JFK? .... In My Opinion: Yes, He Did
David VP
by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed U.S. President John
Fitzgerald Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, on November the 22nd, 1963.
Many conspiracists don't believe that Oswald shot anyone that day in
Dallas, Texas. And these same CTers don't think Oswald had any motive
at all for murdering the President. The bulk of the evidence says they
are wrong, however, and also says that the now-deceased Oswald is/was
guilty as Hitler.
Regarding the subject of "Motive":
As most people know, verifying a defendant's specific motive is not
required in order to prove someone's guilt of committing a crime
"beyond a reasonable doubt" (which I believe that the evidence DOES do
with regard to Oswald's guilt in both the JFK and J.D. Tippit murders).
But, as for motive, yes, I have a thought on Oswald's reasons for
wanting to kill John Kennedy. And, yes, it aligns with anti-conspiracy
author Gerald Posner's thoughts on the matter. Call me a
Posner-Bugliosi-Warren Commission "Parrot" if you so desire (I don't
mind -- that's good company, IMO) -- but the "He Was Devoting Himself
To Political Assassination" motive makes the most sense to me,
considering the overall weirdness and "social outcast" character of a
certain Mr. Lee H. Oswald.
The "Oswald Alone" Scenario..............
1.) Lee Harvey Oswald purchases a high-powered rifle by mail-order in
March of 1963. He uses an alias (A.J. Hidell) to order the rifle (plus
he buys a handgun by mail-order at approximately the same time in early
'63).
2.) Days after receiving his Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5mm rifle, what does
he do? .... He goes to the home of General Edwin A. Walker and tries to
kill him in the darkness of night on April 10, 1963. He even has
detailed "plans" drawn up on where he'll "hide" (bury) the rifle, and
written instructions for his wife, Marina, on what to do if he's
captured before he can return to her. Marina even testifies (and has
never wavered from this claim) that Oswald told her -- "I just shot
Walker".
3.) There's reason to believe, through Marina also, that Lee had, prior
to 1963, also threatened the life of the Vice-President. At the time
(1962), Marina was actually uncertain if Lee meant the current V.P.
(Lyndon Johnson), or if he was referring to former Vice-President Nixon
(who was about to come to Dallas). Either way, it doesn't really
matter, because the fact would still be the same -- SOME "threat" of
some ilk was spouted by Oswald toward another person with political
power.
4.) Lee Oswald next sees a golden opportunity that he simply cannot
pass up. He finds out a few days prior to November 22, 1963, that
President Kennedy is coming right through his city (Dallas) in a
motorcade that will take the President's car directly in front of his
workplace. Therein lies the perfect chance to redeem himself for his
failing in April in the Walker attempt.
5.) Result? -- An unexpected weeknight trip to Irving by Oswald to get
the rifle (his only rifle, which was being stored inside Ruth Paine's
garage in the Dallas suburb of Irving). He wraps up the weapon in brown
paper, and carries it into work on Friday morning, November 22. He
tells a lie about the contents of the package he carries with him to
work that day. He has easy access to all floors of the building where
he works (the Texas School Book Depository), including Floor #6. The
odd stacking of book cartons on the sixth floor makes it an even easier
task for Oswald to construct his "nest" at the southeast corner window.
Just another hodge-podge of books stacked up to any casual passer-by.
6.) 12:30 PM, November 22 -- Oswald does the deed he had set out to do
no more than six days prior. He can no doubt tell with his third shot
that the deed was successfully accomplished. He admires it for just an
extra moment or two at the window.
7.) Hastily, he dashes to the western end of the building's sixth floor
and stashes the rifle behind some boxes. (And this makeshift hiding
place WAS a fairly good one, considering the assassin's obvious and
understandable hurried state. Because the rifle wasn't discovered by
the police until 1:22 PM -- some 52 minutes after the shooting, even
though the building was crawling with a police presence almost
immediately after the last shot rang out. By 1:22, Oswald had already
taken a bus and a cab to the general area of his Oak Cliff
roominghouse, had dashed into his room, put on a light jacket, picked
up his revolver, hoofed it to 10th & Patton, killed Dallas policeman
J.D. Tippit, and was slinking in the alley behind Jefferson Blvd. by
the time his rifle was first discovered in the Depository.)
-------------------
A large number of conspiracy promoters vehemently disagree with the
scenario I've outlined above. I guess many people always will have a
desire to interject the word "conspiracy" into the JFK case. And those
same CTers will fight to exonerate a murdering lowlife named Oswald
until they've breathed their own last breaths of air. Well, so be it.
But, in my personal opinion, Lee Harvey Oswald, who defected to Russia
in 1959 and by all accounts hated the country he was born in (the USA),
was just exactly the type of Loner/Outcast/Weirdo (take your pick) who
would aim a rifle at the head of a passing U.S. President.
David Von Pein
November 22, 2005
Grizzlie Antagonist
David VP wrote:
> A 24-year-old oddball-screwball-nuthatch from New Orleans, Louisiana,
> by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed U.S. President John
> Fitzgerald Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, on November the 22nd, 1963.
>
> Many conspiracists don't believe that Oswald shot anyone that day in
> Dallas, Texas.
That's because Oswald was a communist and conspiracy theorists are
communists. They should have all their teeny little whangers cut off
with something dull and rusty and painful so that they can sing
L'Internationale in soprano.
aeffects
Piss off Ted, go bottle a few brewskies...
Lt.Bullitt
theorists are leftists. I think that's very telling though. The
ironic thing is that JFK would probably be a centrist or slighly right
of center if he was alive today. He certainly wasn't a liberal kook.
Grizzlie Antagonist
aeffects wrote:
> 89% of America, Red?
Yes.
> Piss off Ted, go bottle a few brewskies...
Who's Ted?
Grizzlie Antagonist
But he was no Burkean conservative either. He believed in acquiring
power for its own sake and that meant expanding the role of the state.
He would have become a left-wing kook like his brothers did. His party
would have led him left and he would have followed. JFK expanded
America's role in Vietnam; RFK offered to donate blood to the Vietcong.
Ben Holmes
says...
It's simply amazing how the facts bother LNT'ers not at all.
If believing in a conspiracy puts one on the left, then I'm *still* waiting for
an explanation for Bush being in the White House. And Republican majorities in
the House and Senate.
It simply amazes me that the overwhelming MAJORITY of America that believes in a
conspiracy would vote the right in.
But don't let the facts disturb your political rant. Or the fact that you're
almost certainly to the left of me.
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Grizzlie Antagonist
Ben Holmes wrote:
> In article <1144468817.6...@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Lt.Bullitt
> says...
> >
> >You're right. For some reason the vast majority of conspiracy
> >theorists are leftists. I think that's very telling though. The
> >ironic thing is that JFK would probably be a centrist or slighly right
> >of center if he was alive today. He certainly wasn't a liberal kook.
>
>
> It's simply amazing how the facts bother LNT'ers not at all.
>
> If believing in a conspiracy puts one on the left, then I'm *still* waiting for
> an explanation for Bush being in the White House. And Republican majorities in
> the House and Senate.
"Hello, my name is little Bensie Holmes. See what a wimp I am? See
what wimps all of us conspiracy theorists are? We're all hiding behind
the fig leaf of majority opinion. Nyeah; nyeah; nyeah; there's more of
us than there are of you. We can beat you up."
aeffects
That's it? This is what Lone Neuter's are capable of...? We should fear
for the country!
Griz, you're long overdue, better head back to that jewelry making
board.... you, Von Pain and the Dudster can't cut it here....
Grizzlie Antagonist
aeffects wrote:
> ROFLMFAO ! ! !
>
> That's it? This is what Lone Neuter's are capable of...?
It's not necessarily all that we are capable of.
> We should fear
> for the country!
That sounds fair enough.
Anthony Marsh
We'd expect such nonsense coming from a right-wing kook like you. But
for the benefit of lurkers there is no truth to anything you have said.
All crass speculation.
Kennedy had refused to send in ground combat troops. That was done by LBJ.
And where do you get the wacky idea of RFK donating blood to the Vietcong?
Are you aware of the fact that Kennedy arranged to give medicine to
Castro to buy the freedom of the exiles? You'd twist that into Kennedy
donating medicine to a Communist because he sympathized with him. That's
what you right-wing kooks do so well. Twist the facts.
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Anthony Marsh
Well, Ted, we already know that you are a right-wing nut. My question is
why you right-wing nuts think that your best tactic is to defame
President Kennedy by saying that he is a fellow right-wing nut? Is that
the worst thing you can come up with to assassinate his character?
Calling him one of your own?
The fact remains that President was a liberal and proud to call himself
a liberal as he explained in one of his most famous speeches.
Also about the only Dove who consistently opposed the Hawks surrounding
him who wanted to nuke Cuba, start WWIII with the Soviets, and escalate
the war in Vietnam.
Anthony Marsh
More proof of just how dangerous these right-wing nuts are.
lazu...@webtv.net
daughters that he adored-now why would he wanna throw his life away and
do that to them? Not to mention his admiration for JFK & Jackie.
Oh yeah..I forgot..it's right out of the lone nut manual. Because he was
a faggot,hated this country, a nutjob..a wacko communist SOB, he didn't
need a motive.
Todd W. Vaughan
>89% of America, Red?<
Do you seriously think that 89% off America really know enough about
the JFK assassiantion to have any sort of
informed opinion?
They're just blowing with the wind.
Todd
tomnln
No Respect for Fallen Presidents
No Respect for Dallas Dr's
No Respect for DPD
No Respect for Bethesda Technicians
No Respect for Secret Service
No Respect for FBI
No Respect for Adversary Procedure
and the beat goes on
"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144680845....@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Todd W. Vaughan
You have a very tiny brain.
Todd
tomnln
Just some Official Evidence/Testimony.
(that seems to scare the Feces Outta you folks)
ps; You/Yours have NO Loyalty to the U S A.
ALL your Loyalty seems to be directed to Supporting Felons.
See Below
"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144685428.0...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Tomnln,
>
> You have a very tiny brain.
>
> Todd
Destroy/Alter/Withhold Evidence
1.. Destroying Oswald's note to Dallas FBI Office
2.. Withholding Hosty's name, address, phone number and license plate
number from Oswald's notebook.
3.. Destroying Walker back yard photo.
4.. Changing Walker bullet from "Steel-Jacketed" to Copper Jacketed.
5.. Changing transcript of Oswald's radio debate.
6.. Lying when claiming Paper for gun bag matched TSBD paper.
7.. Lying by stating Oswald had No connection to CIA.
8.. Lying about Oswald going to Mexico City.
9.. Washing out Limo at Parkland Hospital thus Destroying Evidence. Within
minutes.
10.. Stealing body from Dallas jurisdiction under Gun Point.
11.. Stealing limo from Dallas Jurisdiction.
12.. Destroying part 3 of P O Box Rental Application.
13.. Showed LHO 133A BEFORE it was Found. WCR App XI
14.. Dry Cleaning/Pressing JBS's Clothing.
15.. Switch Entrance/Exit wounds on JBC's Wrist would.
16.. JFK's brain missing.
17.. Autopsy slides missing.
18.. Alteration of "Z" film.
GO FOR IT FELON SUPPORTER(S)
Todd W. Vaughan
>It don't take a Big Brain to get ALL you Felon Supporters in a Tizzy toddy.<
I'm glad you admit it.
Toddy
Anthony Marsh
Did anyone say informed? An opinion poll does not screen the public it
calls to find out how informed they are. That would be sampling bias.
lazu...@webtv.net
Marcello,Gen. Walker, Roselli,Giancana, Trafficane,Helms, Hoover and
Co.?
hast...@gmail.com
mainframetech
>
> > But, in my personal opinion, Lee Harvey Oswald, who defected to Russia
> > in 1959 and by all accounts hated the country he was born in (the USA),
> > was just exactly the type of Loner/Outcast/Weirdo (take your pick) who
> > would aim a rifle at the head of a passing U.S. President.
>
> > David Von Pein
> > November 22, 2005
>
Interview with Marina Oswald
(A4) House Select Committee on Assassinations (13th September 1978)
James McDonald: Can you recall Oswald expressing at this time, soon
after your marriage but prior to the return, prior to your return to
the United States, do you recall him expressing any views about the
United States and its political system, either pro or con, for or
against.
Marina Oswald: No.
James McDonald: And specifically regarding John Kennedy?
Marina Oswald: What I learned about John Kennedy it was only through
Lee practically, and he always spoke very complimentary about the
President. He was very happy when John Kennedy was elected.
James McDonald: And you are saying while you were still in the Soviet
Union he was very complimentary about John Kennedy?
Marina Oswald: Yes, it seemed like he was talking about how young and
attractive the President of the United States is.
James McDonald: Can you recall during this time when he ever expressed
any contrary views about Kennedy?
Marina Oswald: Never.
From:http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKSoswald.htm
Chris
Ben Holmes
hast...@gmail.com says...
>On Friday, April 7, 2006 2:22:59 AM UTC-7, David Von Pein wrote:
>> A 24-year-old oddball-screwball-nuthatch from New Orleans, Louisiana,
>> by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed U.S. President John
>> Fitzgerald Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, on November the 22nd, 1963.
about the evidence?
Why did Bugliosi lie about the evidence?
Why do *YOU* lie about the evidence?
If this is really as simple as you attempt to assert, then why all the secrecy
from the government?
(and no, a great deal of it has *NOTHING* to do with "National Security")
>> Many conspiracists don't believe that Oswald shot anyone that day in
>> Dallas, Texas. And these same CTers don't think Oswald had any motive
>> at all for murdering the President. The bulk of the evidence says they
>> are wrong, however, and also says that the now-deceased Oswald is/was
>> guilty as Hitler.
non-conspiratorial explanations for said evidence.
>> Regarding the subject of "Motive":
>>
>> As most people know, verifying a defendant's specific motive is not
>> required in order to prove someone's guilt of committing a crime
>> "beyond a reasonable doubt" (which I believe that the evidence DOES do
>> with regard to Oswald's guilt in both the JFK and J.D. Tippit murders).
Not surprising...
>> But, as for motive, yes, I have a thought on Oswald's reasons for
>> wanting to kill John Kennedy.
>> And, yes, it aligns with anti-conspiracy
>> author Gerald Posner's thoughts on the matter. Call me a
>> Posner-Bugliosi-Warren Commission "Parrot" if you so desire (I don't
>> mind -- that's good company, IMO) -- but the "He Was Devoting Himself
>> To Political Assassination" motive makes the most sense to me,
>> considering the overall weirdness and "social outcast" character of a
>> certain Mr. Lee H. Oswald.
>> The "Oswald Alone" Scenario..............
>>
>> 1.) Lee Harvey Oswald purchases a high-powered rifle by mail-order in
>> March of 1963. He uses an alias (A.J. Hidell) to order the rifle (plus
>> he buys a handgun by mail-order at approximately the same time in early
>> '63).
did the same thing in the same month and year.
>> 2.) Days after receiving his Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5mm rifle, what does
>> he do? .... He goes to the home of General Edwin A. Walker and tries to
>> kill him in the darkness of night on April 10, 1963. He even has
>> detailed "plans" drawn up on where he'll "hide" (bury) the rifle, and
>> written instructions for his wife, Marina, on what to do if he's
>> captured before he can return to her. Marina even testifies (and has
>> never wavered from this claim) that Oswald told her -- "I just shot
>> Walker".
>> 3.) There's reason to believe, through Marina also, that Lee had, prior
>> to 1963, also threatened the life of the Vice-President. At the time
>> (1962), Marina was actually uncertain if Lee meant the current V.P.
>> (Lyndon Johnson), or if he was referring to former Vice-President Nixon
>> (who was about to come to Dallas). Either way, it doesn't really
>> matter, because the fact would still be the same -- SOME "threat" of
>> some ilk was spouted by Oswald toward another person with political
>> power.
believe Marina - yet pretends he does.
>> 4.) Lee Oswald next sees a golden opportunity that he simply cannot
>> pass up. He finds out a few days prior to November 22, 1963, that
>> President Kennedy is coming right through his city (Dallas) in a
>> motorcade that will take the President's car directly in front of his
>> workplace. Therein lies the perfect chance to redeem himself for his
>> failing in April in the Walker attempt.
>> 5.) Result? -- An unexpected weeknight trip
I've covered this before, you *KNOW* that the WCR lied on this point.
>> to Irving by Oswald to get
>> the rifle (his only rifle, which was being stored inside Ruth Paine's
>> garage in the Dallas suburb of Irving). He wraps up the weapon in brown
>> paper, and carries it into work on Friday morning, November 22. He
>> tells a lie about the contents of the package he carries with him to
>> work that day. He has easy access to all floors of the building where
>> he works (the Texas School Book Depository), including Floor #6. The
>> odd stacking of book cartons on the sixth floor makes it an even easier
>> task for Oswald to construct his "nest" at the southeast corner window.
>> Just another hodge-podge of books stacked up to any casual passer-by.
>> 6.) 12:30 PM, November 22 -- Oswald does the deed he had set out to do
>> no more than six days prior. He can no doubt tell with his third shot
>> that the deed was successfully accomplished. He admires it for just an
>> extra moment or two at the window.
time that *can* be spared... yet you *KNOW* for a fact that witnesses *DID*
report the assassin wasting time after the last shot...
>> 7.) Hastily, he dashes to the western end of the building's sixth floor
>> and stashes the rifle behind some boxes. (And this makeshift hiding
>> place WAS a fairly good one, considering the assassin's obvious and
>> understandable hurried state. Because the rifle wasn't discovered by
>> the police until 1:22 PM -- some 52 minutes after the shooting, even
>> though the building was crawling with a police presence almost
>> immediately after the last shot rang out.
Armed with nothing more than a half-full box, and a bit of tape pre-positioned,
a rifle could have stayed hidden from the search that was done for *WEEKS*, if
not forever. Indeed, hidden in a box of books, it could easily have been removed
later without the police *ever* finding it.
>> By 1:22, Oswald had already
>> taken a bus and a cab to the general area of his Oak Cliff
>> roominghouse, had dashed into his room, put on a light jacket, picked
>> up his revolver, hoofed it to 10th & Patton, killed Dallas policeman
>> J.D. Tippit, and was slinking in the alley behind Jefferson Blvd. by
>> the time his rifle was first discovered in the Depository.)
you do.
>> -------------------
>>
>> A large number of conspiracy promoters vehemently disagree with the
>> scenario I've outlined above.
>> I guess many people always will have a
>> desire to interject the word "conspiracy" into the JFK case. And those
>> same CTers will fight to exonerate a murdering lowlife named Oswald
>> until they've breathed their own last breaths of air. Well, so be it.
doesn't show it.
>> But, in my personal opinion, Lee Harvey Oswald, who defected to Russia
>> in 1959 and by all accounts hated the country he was born in (the USA),
>> was just exactly the type of Loner/Outcast/Weirdo (take your pick) who
>> would aim a rifle at the head of a passing U.S. President.
>>
>> David Von Pein
>> November 22, 2005
>
>Kennedy was marked for assassination in Chicago on 2 Nov, 1963 by an
>Ex Marine
>who had ties to the CIA and had worked at the same base as Oswald. He, too,
>had recently moved from another city and gotten a job in a building
>overlooking the intended motorcade route .(JFK had been scheduled to
>attend the Army-Navy game at Soldier Field in Chicago that day, by
>canceled when the plot was revealed.) The police had captured 2 of the
>wannabe assassins, but let them go and never did a followup investigation.
>Some guy named "Lee" informed of the
Yes... and let's not forget another very similar scheme that was stopped in
Tampa... these other assassination attempts all happened within a matter of a
few weeks of the successful one - and the kooks absolutely REFUSE to admit this.
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