Burned DVD, verification fails
ectoplasm
25 pieces for about 10 US$.
The burns are successful but verification fails in Nero; a closer look
using binary file compare tells me that once in about every 500
megabytes there is a difference, say one byte different (e.g. 0xAF
becomes 0xAE, so just one bit different in fact).
Is this normal when burning DVDs? Can you expect to burn DVDs 100% bit
perfect? If I would burn purely binary data, e.g. in .zip files, they
would fail to unpack when read back, wouldn't they? (I mean, movie
streams would play well, they can handle errors quite well right).
Just how can you trust media like this? This kinda makes me paranoid. I
need 100% secure backup media. O my god!!!
Bye,
E.
smh
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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(If you have Via chipset, update to the latest 4in1 driver.)
(Update the burner firmware if available.)
That shouldn't be happening. Check the DVD with ScanDisc of [Nero
Toolkit, CD-DVD Speed] and see if there are yellow/red blocks.
Try Taiyo Yuden:
http://tinyurl.com/dclwv
http://www.meritline.com/taiyo-yuden-dvd-media.html
'
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Who Is Mike Richter and
Why Are They Saying All These Horrible Things About Him?
========================================================
http://tinyurl.com/6eldj
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What an Asshole
ectoplasm
any difference, but I can try it of course.
Tayo Yuden, yes I know. Should have gotten those... How about Maxell?
Lastly. Burning at lower speed, will it always result in better burned
DVDs? Or is it advised always to use the max. burning speed?
Thanks!
E.
smh
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above is a LIBEL)
( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! )
'
ectoplasm wrote:
>
> You say I should try to upgrade firmware. Don't know if that could make
> any difference, but I can try it of course.
(The only report of 1-byte error was caused by Via chipset driver.)
(How did ScanDisc come out?)
Firmwares usually improve write strategy (media compatibility).
> Tayo Yuden, yes I know. Should have gotten those... How about Maxell?
Maxell is listed as Pro grade here:
http://www.meritline.com/dvd-r-blank-media-1.html
http://www.meritline.com/dvd-plus-r-blank-media.html
> Lastly. Burning at lower speed, will it always result in better burned
> DVDs? Or is it advised always to use the max. burning speed?
These test scans indicate max speed is better with Taiyo Yuden 8x:
http://www.cdr-zone.com/forum/about1507.html
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=80885&page=3
MCheu
wrote:
Maxell DVD-R is typically either TY or Ritek. Obviously TY is more
desireable, but the Ritek discs are pretty decent too. According to
discussions on CDFreaks, the MXL discs are made by Ritek.
The Maxell DVD+R discs are a bit more variable but they do source from
reputable factories. They've used discs from TY, Ricoh, Ritek,
Philips and Mitsubishi (MCC). I've not used the Philips discs before,
so I can't comment. All the others are generally pretty good quality.
Depending on who you ask, the DVD+R MXL discs might be made by Ricoh
or Ritek.
As for whether lowering speed results in better quality, I think that
largely depends on the your specific combination of burner and media.
I've been using ProDisc 8x DVD-R and TY 8x DVD-R of late on my BenQ
1620 and NEC 3500 drives. On both, I get lower error rates
overspeeding to the media (12x and 16x respectively) on both drives
than at the native 8x. Going down to 4x gives me discs that are about
the same as burning at 8x. Conventional wisdom has it that burning at
slower speeds gives you lower errors.
There may actually be an advantage to burning slower though. While
burning video at the lower speed does give me slightly higher errors
on scans, I find the discs a bit more compatible with stand alone
players. Usually, I have to do a preliminary wipe of the burned discs
as even a light amount of dust will trip them up in stand alones. I
find I have to do that less often with discs burned at slower speeds.
It's not scientific obviously.
You may have to experiment a bit to figure out what works for you.
---------------------------------------------
Thanks.
MCheu
ectoplasm
Also, I'll check if I have a via chipset.
Actually my burner is ASUS DRW-1608 P2. And, I found this page:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=128873
Sounds a lot like my problem, doesn't it? My Ricoh discs are DVD-R... I
used Nero...
Yes I used CD-DVD Speed; did that yesterday already. All green
blocks...
Do you know where I have a chance finding the burner firmware? The ASUS
website doesn't have it.
And I just bought a 25 pack of Maxell DVD+Rs.
Thanks a lot,
E.
MCheu
wrote:
If there's a firmware update available, you'll probably find it here:
http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php
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Thanks.
MCheu
ectoplasm
Sure it is conventional thought, and I believed it, that burning at
slower speeds results in better burn. I mostly do this hoping that the
data will last long.
I already started doubting this since yesterday but your story seems
quite convincing that slow burning is better or at least doesn't prove
the opposite.
You say Maxell comes from variable sources. Would the Media ID tell
which source? Is Media ID still trustworthy? (link below, "How to
derermine media ID")
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
Concluding. I think writing data on DVDs should be something that
cannot fail. In my opinion, technology fails badly here. It depends on
good luck whether your data is backed up 100% safely. It seems such a
fragile technology.
smh
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
http://tinyurl.com/6eldj
(No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above is a LIBEL)
( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! )
'
ectoplasm wrote:
>
> Well, I'm sure gonna look for a firmware upgrade of my DVD burner.
> Also, I'll check if I have a via chipset.
>
> Actually my burner is ASUS DRW-1608 P2. And, I found this page:
> http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=128873
>
> Sounds a lot like my problem, doesn't it? My Ricoh discs are DVD-R... I
> used Nero...
The above link could be referring to this:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=131011
The above mentions newer Nero 6 solved DVD-R issue. Udate your Nero to
the latest.
> Yes I used CD-DVD Speed; did that yesterday already. All green
> blocks...
Try with the latest CD-DVD Speed - Unzip and run:
http://www.cdspeed2000.com
> Do you know where I have a chance finding the burner firmware? The ASUS
> website doesn't have it.
Version 1.37 2005/12/05:
http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
> And I just bought a 25 pack of Maxell DVD+Rs.
Out of curiosity and if you don't mind wasting discs, try the same burn
you did with DVD-R -- without and with firmware upgrade?
ectoplasm
Tried to burn with Maxell DVD+R... same result. Then, flashed the
burner to firmware 1.37, it does not solve the problem either.
I don't have a VIA chipset (not a single VIA hardware listed in device
manager, all Intel). So that's also not it.
Still I only used Nero to burn the DVDs. I have no other software to
try. But I doubt that this is Nero related (can it? This burner is
quite a good one http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/220/1, should always
work on the most used software). A moment I thought it might be my
harddisk had a problem so did a full chkdsk which didn't solve it
either.
Now, I'm going to try using the burner on someone else's PC and see if
it has the same problem. If so, I think this burner is not a good one
(i.e., broken).
Thanks,
E.
smh
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
http://tinyurl.com/6eldj
(No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above is a LIBEL)
( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! )
'
That's always a good troubleshooting method. Hope the drive exhibits
the same problem, ending your frustration.
ectoplasm
successful.
This means the burner is a good one, not broken.
So what is going on here? Can it still be related to chipset drivers?
(mine are Intel). Or other hardware? Detail: the burner is an internal
model, but encaged and using USB cable. But the test we just did was
also using USB (so, external).
How can I make extra sure that I don't have VIA chipset? Or Intel
chipset can have this same problem. Can the USB driver be a suspect?
ectoplasm
sec IDE controller). See this page:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/263488
(also, on TRANSFER MODE, the PIO option should not be there, otherwise
must re-install controller driver & reboot) (and if that doesn't work,
uninstall DVD burner driver & reboot, first).
But, since I use USB to connect my burner, do the IDE controllers apply
at all??
smh
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
http://tinyurl.com/6eldj
(No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above is a LIBEL)
( )
( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! )
'
ectoplasm wrote:
>
> THIS might be IT. All DMA must be turned ON on the controllers (pri &
> sec IDE controller). See this page:
>
> http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/263488
>
> (also, on TRANSFER MODE, the PIO option should not be there, otherwise
> must re-install controller driver & reboot) (and if that doesn't work,
> uninstall DVD burner driver & reboot, first).
DMA should be on.
> But, since I use USB to connect my burner, do the IDE controllers apply
> at all??
Don't know. Maybe IDE controller DMA settings affect USB port operation?
Check the USB controller in Device Manager for both "View by type" and
"View by connection" selected from the View menu.
MCheu
wrote:
>Thanks for sharing that, MCheu.
>Sure it is conventional thought, and I believed it, that burning at
>slower speeds results in better burn. I mostly do this hoping that the
>data will last long.
>I already started doubting this since yesterday but your story seems
>quite convincing that slow burning is better or at least doesn't prove
>the opposite.
Might want to reread what I wrote, as that's definitely not what I
wrote. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's the opposite of what I wrote. I
said I was getting better results (ie. lower errors) at *HIGHER*
speeds, and more errors at lower speeds (4x). It goes against
conventional wisdom, but there it is.
>You say Maxell comes from variable sources. Would the Media ID tell
>which source? Is Media ID still trustworthy? (link below, "How to
>derermine media ID")
>
>http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
There are media out there with falsified Media IDs. However, if
you're buying discs that are branded with a well established brand
like Maxell, odds are pretty good that you can rely on the Media ID
being accurate.
The issue usually only comes up when you're buying unknown media.
Specifically brands one would not think of as being internationally
well known, or discs with no branding at all. Then the media ID could
be suspect, but it largely depends on how much you trust the
vendor/distributor.
---------------------------------------------
Thanks.
MCheu
ectoplasm
some registry settings (see http://www.michna.com/kb/WxDMA.htm) to
reset DMA usage to 'ON'.
Then burned a DVD. Verification went well, till the last second of the
verify: suddenly, one verification error. So it seems the above had
some effect, but not 100% solved.
Then I used the Nero InfoTool. Discovered that one yesterday. In
'Configuration', my ASUS burner is not shown under the IDE controllers,
but under the USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller (since it's external and
USB connected). Then how come the IDE DMA affected my verification
results? Can there be a relationship? Does the USB controller use DMA?
I couldn't find any such setting under its device properties. Does it
need to emulate some IDE stuff?
Maybe I should try different burning software? But then, at someone
else's PC the burning & verification worked just fine, also using Nero
(looked like it was same version).
Or does someone know some expert (forum) where I can post my Nero burn
/ verify log?
This whole issue starts to annoy me... :-(
Bye,
E.
ectoplasm
your experience. But the last section of your post describes that you
find less compatibility problems with slow burned discs.
The media ID of my Maxell's shows Ritek if I remember correctly from
yesterday.
Regards,
E.
smh
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
http://tinyurl.com/6eldj
(No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above is a LIBEL)
( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! )
'
Have you checked the USB controller as I suggested? Try uninstalling
the USB controller?
ectoplasm
So far, no improvement. Updated BIOS firmware, enabled legacy USB
support, unplugged USB mouse, disabled internal CD burner (always
rebooting in between a step), re-installed (USB) controller driver
(forced to different compatible models), also Intel latest downloaded
version, newer Nero version, IDE un- & re-installed, patching the
registry, no results and wasted 12 DVDs already.
Just found out that in Nero, burning a CD using internal burner, also
one verification failure at end of disc (always "sector *** has
different content to source") !!! What the heck is going on here. I
never used verification burning CDs so I don't even know if the stack
of CDs I burned before are OK now... I don't even know when this
problem started!!!
Here, someone with the *exact* same problem:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/270344
And, no one, NO ONE knows why.......
Who can end my suffering?
ectoplasm
It's Roxio software (Easy CD/DVD/Media Creator) that I also have on my
PC.
It seems to interfere like crazy with other software especially Nero.
The problem seems to be *completely* uninstalling Roxio which is not
easy.
The following two threads are the key here.....
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/251623
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/146857
smh
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
http://tinyurl.com/6eldj
(No Mikey S-Lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above is a LIBEL)
( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! )
'
For cRoxio files, in addition to RoxiZap, check out:
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/kb/ecdc/eez000003.jhtml
Also check Drivers tab in Nero InfoTool.
ectoplasm
I am cleaning up as much as I can. I want to avoid having to reinstall
Windows. To have several burning software packages installed (Roxio one
of the worst, they say) is not advisable.. to say the least.
Yesterday I burned a DVD, but by first making a disc image. Then, the
burning has no problem at all.
No this has nothing to do with IRQs or DMAs. This is purely a software
/ drivers / configuration problem.
I'll post back after I tried another burn.
smh
how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
-------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like Roxio or Adaptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
-------------------------------------------
Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR
-----------------------------------
Mike Richter is a LIAR
ectoplasm wrote:
>
> smh, thanks!
>
> I am cleaning up as much as I can. I want to avoid having to reinstall
> Windows. To have several burning software packages installed (Roxio one
> of the worst, they say) is not advisable.. to say the least.
==============================
From: Ted Kircher
Subject: Re: Easy CD Creator 6
Date: 4/1/03
smh wrote:
>
> (Still can't believe cRoxio put in 1,380 registry entries!)
Today I did a search of the registry files and found the following
references to "Roxio:"
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT - over 700 CLSID items
HKEY_CURRENT_USER - 4 items
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE - over 1,000 items
HKEY_USERS - 4 ITEMS
HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIGURATION - no items
HKE_DYN_DATA - no items
My earlier posting relating to the 1,380 Roxio registry entries that
were broken links that I laboriously eliminated.
The newly discovered items are not routinely eliminated since they are
not borken links. I assume that they have to be deleted item by item
in the registry, but I find that sort of spooky since I am not one to
play around with the GRRRegistry!
'
BUT, how do I get ride of the 1K of Roxio references in the
aforemention Registry components?
So far, Roxio Tech Support, in my opinion, seems to have their heads
up their _____ (kazoo? You pick a "fill in the blanks" choice).
At my age this kind of frustration can bring on a STROKE!.
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Camper
"ectoplasm" <e_c...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135091342.9...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> smh, thanks!
>
> I am cleaning up as much as I can. I want to avoid having to reinstall
> Windows. To have several burning software packages installed (Roxio one
> of the worst, they say) is not advisable.. to say the least.
You must be mistaken, Sammy swears by Roxio products.