Skybuck's Dream PC, Third Build, Done 99.9% ;) (Pictures!)
Skybuck Flying
Yes Ladies and Gentlemen... it is time for me to present to you the fruits
of my hard labor =D (at 26.5 degrees celcius !)
I thank those that had the patience and the courage to put up with me :)
Now I shall reward you with nice pictures of the third build.
I haven't turned it on yet... maybe I do that later or tomorrow. The side
panels also need to be attached but that's no problem.
Here are the (50% scaled down) pictures (still quite large ;)):
http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/
Enjoy and may the force be with you during the call of duty 4 games... cause
you sure gonna need it... once I am back in the saddle ! LOL.
Tomorrow I will probably post pictures of a cleaned up table with the side
panels on the lights on... the pc working etc... and then I will thank some
people in particular as well ;) :) and maybe write a little review about the
antec 1200 case and the zipang cooler and stuff like that ;)
Bye,
Skybuck ;) =D
Joel Koltner
supports SDHC cards?
I had one of those a year or so ago and it didn't -- which was reason enough
for me to sell it. (Non-SDHC cards only go up to 2GB or 4GB at most.)
Skybuck Flying
For me it doesn't matter for two reasons:
1. The flash drive never really worked well... it only worked at the start
and then failed... maybe I should have returned it but I kept hoping that
some day it would work again.
2. The cable was to short to reach the connector on the motherboard which is
now further away... maybe an extension cable is possible...
But I don't need the flash reader really... I bought it mostly for my
digital camera... but it has a special usb cord so I can use that instead...
to transfer files.
Ofcourse having a nice flash drive would be nice...
I don't know much about your question but the front says:
CF, MD, SM, MS, SD MMC
And ofcourse a floppy which fortunately does work ! ;)
So that's 7-in-1 ;)
Hope that answers your question a little bit ? ;)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Craig Sutton
"Skybuck Flying" <Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello People,
>
> Yes Ladies and Gentlemen... it is time for me to present to you the fruits
> of my hard labor =D (at 26.5 degrees celcius !)
>
> I thank those that had the patience and the courage to put up with me :)
>
> Now I shall reward you with nice pictures of the third build.
>
> I haven't turned it on yet... maybe I do that later or tomorrow. The side
> panels also need to be attached but that's no problem.
>
Can't wait for your post reporting that it's not working
Martijn van Buul
> But I don't need the flash reader really... I bought it mostly for my
> digital camera... but it has a special usb cord so I can use that instead...
> to transfer files.
Unfortunately, yes.
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> Hello People,
>
> Yes Ladies and Gentlemen...
Ladies ? Where, where ?
L.
Jeff Liebermann
<Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/
I like this photo:
<http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/DSCN1130.JPG>
Lots of band-aids. Perhaps using a big sheet of sticky back kitchen
shelf paper would have been more useful? Other than increase the
capacitance to ground, what are all the band-aids suppose to do? The
wires aren't going to fall out. Nobody is going to see it with the
covers on. The glue will eventually make a sticky mess.
Nice table, but far too easy to scratch. I suggest bigger and more
cardboard to protect it.
Also, I note a #1 Philips screwdriver. That's good for some screws,
but most PC screws require a #2 Philips or 1/4" driver.
Hmmm....
<http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/DSCN1136.JPG>
Lots of air going nowhere. Looks like air goes in through the two
fans on the back. It goes to the CPU base and blown upward by the CPU
fan. If the power supply fan ran backwards, the hot air would go out
through the power supply. However, the power supply fan also seems to
be blowing inward, which isn't going to work. First, the hot air
wants to rise. Second, there's lots of intakes, but no exhaust. Note
that the exhaust port area has to be somewhat larger than the intake
due to the expansion of hot hair. Get and IR thermometer and see if
this mess is going to work. If not, leave the PS fan alone and
reverse the flow of the two rear fans so that the hot air goes OUT of
the box, not in.
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Now THAT'S funny!
Chris
mpm
> Lots of band-aids. �Perhaps using a big sheet of sticky back kitchen
> shelf paper would have been more useful? �Other than increase the
> capacitance to ground, what are all the band-aids suppose to do?
It's flypaper.
They're trying to get the bugs out. :)
Chris M. Thomasson
> <Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/
>
> I like this photo:
> <http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/DSCN1130.JPG>
> Lots of band-aids. Perhaps using a big sheet of sticky back kitchen
> shelf paper would have been more useful? Other than increase the
> capacitance to ground, what are all the band-aids suppose to do? The
> wires aren't going to fall out. Nobody is going to see it with the
> covers on. The glue will eventually make a sticky mess.
Ouch! What a fucking MESS! Yikes!
;^/
Venger
Actually, I think those are ouchless band-aids...
Venger
GMAN
>On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:31:41 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
><Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/
>
>I like this photo:
><http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/DSCN1130.JPG>
>Lots of band-aids. Perhaps using a big sheet of sticky back kitchen
>shelf paper would have been more useful? Other than increase the
>capacitance to ground, what are all the band-aids suppose to do? The
>wires aren't going to fall out. Nobody is going to see it with the
>covers on. The glue will eventually make a sticky mess.
>
>Nice table, but far too easy to scratch. I suggest bigger and more
>cardboard to protect it.
>
>Also, I note a #1 Philips screwdriver. That's good for some screws,
>but most PC screws require a #2 Philips or 1/4" driver.
>
>Hmmm....
><http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/DSCN1136.JPG>
>Lots of air going nowhere. Looks like air goes in through the two
>fans on the back. It goes to the CPU base and blown upward by the CPU
>fan. If the power supply fan ran backwards, the hot air would go out
>through the power supply. However, the power supply fan also seems to
>be blowing inward, which isn't going to work.
No it does not. Tell me when you have ever seen a ps fan blowing inwards?
All of the rear fans and top fan vent outward, the 3 120mm front fans blow
inwards.
>First, the hot airwants to rise. Second, there's lots of intakes, but no exhaust. \
There are 2 120mm fans on top rear venting out, the top 200mm vents up and
out, the PS fan vents out!!!
>that the exhaust port area has to be somewhat larger than the intake
>due to the expansion of hot hair.
No, the top 200mm blows up and out the two 120mm rear pushes out, the three
120mm front fans suck in.
F#$k!!!
2 120mm Fans, 1 200mm fan, and PS fan all blowing exaust.
3 120mm fans doing intake duty!!!!!
440mm worth of output, 360mm worth of input, whats the problem here?
>Get and IR thermometer and see if this mess is going to work.
ANTEC and tens of review sites give the case and its airflow high marks!!!!
If not, leave the PS fan alone and
>Get and IR thermometer and see ifreverse the flow of the two rear fans so that the hot air goes OUT of
>the box, not in.
Why the hell would he want to reverse the rear fans so that it would blow air
IN from the rear???? They are already there as exaust fans. Go to antecs site
and read the mechanical drawng of this case.
http://www.antec.com/pdf/drawings/1200_mechdrawing.pdf
Stabuck, do not reverse any of the fans in this case!!!!!!!!!
>
>
do_not_...@my-deja.com
Skybuck Flying wrote:
> http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/
Be considerate of other people by linking only the relevant photos and
not dozens of duplicate or useless ones.
The photo of all the components laid out on the table shows you're
either ignorant or careless regarding the handling of components to
protect them from static electricity. Search for a FAQ about ESD
from a chip maker, and follow its most basic recommendatons.
I didn't see an indication of the power supply make, model, or power
rating, but a computer running dual video cards needs a very good
supply. I hope your initial run is with just one video card installed.
nobody >
> In article <hes69495pd22svtgo...@4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:31:41 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
>> <http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/DSCN1136.JPG>
>> Lots of air going nowhere. Looks like air goes in through the two
>> fans on the back. It goes to the CPU base and blown upward by the CPU
>> fan. If the power supply fan ran backwards, the hot air would go out
>> through the power supply. However, the power supply fan also seems to
>> be blowing inward, which isn't going to work.
>
> No it does not. Tell me when you have ever seen a ps fan blowing inwards?
Gateway PII/PIII slot 1 machines that used the PS fan to cool the CPU
as well via a shroud. I'm sure there are others.
Craig Sutton
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Oh man that mess has to go up on digg.com
GMAN
drawing air away from the cpu via that little shroud or tunnel out thru the
ps. They were just too cheap to provide a dedicated fan to their cpu's.
Jeff Liebermann
<FatByt...@somewheronyourharddrive.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:08:09 -0400, "cside"
><chris....@spamfreeverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> However, the power supply fan also seems to
>>> be blowing inward, which isn't going to work.
>
> I doubt seriously that the PS fan blows into the case. I believe that
>violates the ATX PSU spec.
Assumption, the mother of all screwups.
Look at the photograph:
<http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/DSCN1136.JPG>
Which way would you assume that the PS supply fan is going to rotate?
My astute guess, is that with the swept back blade configuration, the
direction of rotation is clockwise. If that's true, then the fan is
moving air INTO the case. I'll admit that it's possible that I'm
wrong, which is why I asked Mr Flying to verify the air flow and
rotation.
Y'er wrong about the ATX specs.
ATX Motherboard Spec 2.01:
<http://download.intel.com/design/motherbd/atx_201.pdf>
See section 4.1 which proclaims:
The intended location and fan direction in an ATX system
is for the power supply fan to draw in cool air from
outside the chassis and exhaust it directly onto the
processor.
Never mind that this "cool" outside air is pre-heated by the power
supply before it gets to the processor and fights convective air flow
(hot air like to rise).
I once wrote a rather nasty critique of the air flow problems with the
ATX design when it first appeared. I couldn't find my original, but
this rant from Dec 2000 covers the main points:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.sco.misc/msg/d9e1ec9cd7b21bc8>
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>ATX Motherboard Spec 2.01:
><http://download.intel.com/design/motherbd/atx_201.pdf>
>See section 4.1 which proclaims:
> The intended location and fan direction in an ATX system
> is for the power supply fan to draw in cool air from
> outside the chassis and exhaust it directly onto the
> processor.
Weird. The Intel web pile has version 2.01. The current version is
apparently 2.2. See:
<http://www.formfactors.org/developer%5Cspecs%5Catx2_2.pdf>
The aformentioned hint as to airflow direction was deleted and
replaced by a vague section 5.1 (Venting) that fails to specify the
air flow direction.
The power supply should be placed in close proximity
to the processor if the power supply is expected to
cool the processor properly...
Not very useful or specific. I guess the airflow is the
responsibility of the builder.
Bernd Paysan
> The photo of all the components laid out on the table shows you're
> either ignorant or careless regarding the handling of components to
> protect them from static electricity. Search for a FAQ about ESD
> from a chip maker, and follow its most basic recommendatons.
Well, he certainly is ignorant, but the table is wooden. Wood is a
sufficiently good conductor (depends on how much remaining humidity it has;
usually more than enough), so it's quite unlikely that you can cause ESD
damages by placing sensitive items on wood.
Anyway, the likelyhood that you can actually case ESD damages is relatively
low today; CMOS devices used to be much more sensitive to ESD 20 years ago.
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Andy
wrote:
>On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:17:22 -0700, FatBytestard
><FatByt...@somewheronyourharddrive.org> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:08:09 -0400, "cside"
>><chris....@spamfreeverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> However, the power supply fan also seems to
>>>> be blowing inward, which isn't going to work.
>>
>> I doubt seriously that the PS fan blows into the case. I believe that
>>violates the ATX PSU spec.
>
>Assumption, the mother of all screwups.
>
>Look at the photograph:
><http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/DSCN1136.JPG>
>Which way would you assume that the PS supply fan is going to rotate?
>My astute guess, is that with the swept back blade configuration, the
>direction of rotation is clockwise. If that's true, then the fan is
>moving air INTO the case. I'll admit that it's possible that I'm
>wrong, which is why I asked Mr Flying to verify the air flow and
>rotation.
DC fans generally blow air toward the side that has the spokes holding
the fan motor in place.
lordy
>
> DC fans generally blow air toward the side that has the spokes holding
> the fan motor in place.
Or another way of looking at it, fans are designed to blow towards the
concave side of the spokes because thats why the spokes are curved in
the first place. eg if one is fanning oneself with a magazine which
way you naturally curve it?
Lordy
Michael A. Terrell
Bernd Paysan wrote:
>
> do_not_...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > The photo of all the components laid out on the table shows you're
> > either ignorant or careless regarding the handling of components to
> > protect them from static electricity. Search for a FAQ about ESD
> > from a chip maker, and follow its most basic recommendatons.
>
> Well, he certainly is ignorant, but the table is wooden. Wood is a
> sufficiently good conductor (depends on how much remaining humidity it has;
> usually more than enough), so it's quite unlikely that you can cause ESD
> damages by placing sensitive items on wood.
Wood is not a good conductor, We covered all our wood benches with
ESD mats, bonded them to the building ground with bare, solid #8 AWG
wire, and tested the mats fairly often to eliminate worn mats. I tried
the ESD mat test on bare wood to prove to the employees that it did not
even register, let alone pass the test. The wood would have to be damp,
and have a metal plate connected to ground to be acceptable. Keeping
the wood damp enough to pass would allow black mold to grow on the
surface.
> Anyway, the likelyhood that you can actually case ESD damages is relatively
> low today; CMOS devices used to be much more sensitive to ESD 20 years ago.
Sure. That is why people get fired at assembly plants for failing to
wear a wrist strap & or a heel strap.
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> <http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/DSCN1136.JPG>
> Which way would you assume that the PS supply fan is going to rotate?
PS supply fan? Power supply fan?
There's no such thing on that picture :)
The PSU is at the bottom of the box (Antec P1xx I think)
ShutEye
Cub
With respect the ESD mat will if used correctly will ensure components
including Starmuk are at minimum risk of ESD damage
Jeff Liebermann
You might be right. It sure looks like a power supply to me, but I
can't see any components through the grill work, so it might be
something else. Mounting the PS at the bottom of the box is the right
answer for hot air rising. However, I still contend that the upper
(PS?) fan in the picture blows air into the box, as do the 2 fans
mounted on the back panel. No way to be sure about the air flow until
Mr Flying recovers his sanity and discloses the direction. However,
if my guess(tm) is correct, and the bottom mounted power supply is
blowing air into the box, then both the rear fans, and the mystery
upper fan need to be blowing air OUT of the box.
Incidentally, bottom mounted intake fans tend to suck air, dust, dirt,
filth, crud, and whatever is on the floor, carpet, or table that
they're placed upon. I like to mount such boxes on some manner of
spacers go get the box off the floor.
GMAN
>On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:14:30 +0200, "ShutEye" <n...@no.no> wrote:
>
>>> Look at the photograph:
>>> <http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCThirdBuild/DSCN1136.JPG>
>>> Which way would you assume that the PS supply fan is going to rotate?
>>
>>PS supply fan? Power supply fan?
>>There's no such thing on that picture :)
>>The PSU is at the bottom of the box (Antec P1xx I think)
>
>You might be right. It sure looks like a power supply to me, but I
>can't see any components through the grill work, so it might be
>something else. Mounting the PS at the bottom of the box is the right
>answer for hot air rising. However, I still contend that the upper
>(PS?) fan in the picture blows air into the box, as do the 2 fans
>mounted on the back panel. No way to be sure about the air flow until
>Mr Flying recovers his sanity and discloses the direction. However,
>if my guess(tm) is correct, and the bottom mounted power supply is
>blowing air into the box, then both the rear fans, and the mystery
>upper fan need to be blowing air OUT of the box.
>
Why is it that you refuse to respond to what i have said about this case? I
suggested it to Skybuck. The power supply fans blows out thru the bottom
rear. This helps suck air out and away from the lower PCI cards. The two upper
120mm fans blow air out the back,drawing heat away from the cpu. And the upper
200mm blows air up and out. None of the rear fans blow air into the case, they
all blow out the back or top. The three 120mm front fans sucks air into the
case. All front fans are supplied with removeable and washable filters
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=12726&page=11
.
>Incidentally, bottom mounted intake fans tend to suck air, dust, dirt,
>filth, crud, and whatever is on the floor, carpet, or table that
>they're placed upon. I like to mount such boxes on some manner of
>spacers go get the box off the floor.
>
Why the hell would anyone who owns a nice case like this put it on the floor?
You are more paranoid of this shit than Skybuck is!!!!
lordy
> However, I still contend that the upper
> (PS?) fan in the picture blows air into the box, as do the 2 fans
> mounted on the back panel.
Fans blow out from concave side of fins.
Lordy