looking for a program to add comment or description files in Explorer
Flo
I need your help to find:
a program to add comment or description files in Explorer.
Thanks in advance
Bob Adams
news:ADcb8.130$L34....@news.chello.be...
Hi, Flo.
FileNote is a little shell extension that allows you to add textual
descriptions to your files. It adds one command to the shell context menu of
a file object. This command lets you easily edit or create a text file that
has the same name as the initial file, but with the extension TXT.
For example, if you have a file, MyImage.jpg, you right-click on that file
and choose the FileNote command from the context menu. A new text file
called MyImage.txt is created and Notepad is opened to edit that text file.
If a text file with that name already exists, it will be opened for
viewing/editing.
Homepage:
http://www.moonsoftware.ee/
Direct Download link:
http://www.moonsoftware.com/cgi-bin/download.exe?filenote
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moz...@dev.null
> "Flo" <cr3...@chello.be> wrote in message
> >
> > a program to add comment or description files in Explorer.
> >
> FileNote is a little shell extension that allows you to add textual
> descriptions to your files. It adds one command to the shell context menu of
> a file object. This command lets you easily edit or create a text file that
> has the same name as the initial file, but with the extension TXT.
> For example, if you have a file, MyImage.jpg, you right-click on that file
> and choose the FileNote command from the context menu. A new text file
> called MyImage.txt is created and Notepad is opened to edit that text file.
> If a text file with that name already exists, it will be opened for
> viewing/editing.
> Homepage:
> http://www.moonsoftware.ee/
Another utility is Annotx, File Annotater Shell Extension. Context-click
a file in explorer, choose Properties... Annotx adds there, behind the
Properties tab, a second tab called Annotations. In the Annotations tab,
you can type whatever you wish.
Note that with this utility, the only way to see your annotations, is to
access the Properties menu in explorer for each annoted file. This utility
would become interesting if the author were to come through with what he
mentions in the <quote>soon to come</unquote> section of his page.
| SOON TO COME ...
|
| Annotator Browser: Organize your Annotations
| Annotator Find Extension: Use your Start menu/Find to search files
| via your annotations
http://www.jps.at/anotsxinfo.html
. . .
As far as a utility that would add another column in explorer, besides the
name, size, attributes, etc, a column where short text could be added, is
there one? Or a file manager that has such an additional column? I've never
seen one, and think it does not exist....
Second question, did I read that this is something that XP has built in?
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moZ
scribex
moz...@dev.null took time out of a busy life to say ...
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:59:45 -0500, "Bob Adams" wrote:
>
>
> As far as a utility that would add another column in explorer, besides the
> name, size, attributes, etc, a column where short text could be added, is
> there one? Or a file manager that has such an additional column? I've never
> seen one, and think it does not exist....
>
> Second question, did I read that this is something that XP has built in?
>
>
>
> --
> moZ
>
There was (is?) a shareware program (pardon) that does just that. As
I recall, it had a bug and when I asked the author about it, after
registering, I was given to understand it was a WYSIWYG deal -- no
more to come. Also, that program used the registry to store
annotations, which led to registry bloat. I ended up uninstalling it
and chalking the cost up to experience.
Rant Department, Microsoft Division:
LACK OF THIS ANNOTATION FEATURE IN WINDOWS EXPLORER, AFTER ALL THESE
YEARS OF LARGELY COSMETIC HYPEWARE SO-CALLED UPGRADES (can you say
"ME," kiddies?), IS INEXCUSABLE STUPIDITY ON MICROSOFT'S PART.
There, I feel better.
scribex
NewsMan
wrote:
>
>Rant Department, Microsoft Division:
>
>LACK OF THIS ANNOTATION FEATURE IN WINDOWS EXPLORER, AFTER ALL THESE
>YEARS OF LARGELY COSMETIC HYPEWARE SO-CALLED UPGRADES (can you say
>"ME," kiddies?), IS INEXCUSABLE STUPIDITY ON MICROSOFT'S PART.
>
>There, I feel better.
>
>scribex
"Actually," he said in a deceptively quiet and controlled voice, "I do
believe that the entire existence of Microsoft is inexcusable."
moz...@dev.null
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 07:09:24 GMT, scrib...@excite.com (scribex)
> wrote:
> >
> >Rant Department, Microsoft Division:
> >
> >LACK OF THIS ANNOTATION FEATURE IN WINDOWS EXPLORER, AFTER ALL THESE
> >YEARS OF LARGELY COSMETIC HYPEWARE SO-CALLED UPGRADES (can you say
> >"ME," kiddies?), IS INEXCUSABLE STUPIDITY ON MICROSOFT'S PART.
> >
>
> "Actually," he said in a deceptively quiet and controlled voice, "I do
> believe that the entire existence of Microsoft is inexcusable."
<VBG>
[Now there's the theatre as it should be.]
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moZ
moz...@dev.null
> moz...@dev.null took time out of a busy life to say ...
> >
> > As far as a utility that would add another column in explorer, besides the
> > name, size, attributes, etc, a column where short text could be added, is
> > there one? Or a file manager that has such an additional column? I've never
> > seen one, and think it does not exist....
>
> There was (is?) a shareware program (pardon) that does just that. As
> I recall, it had a bug and when I asked the author about it, after
> registering, I was given to understand it was a WYSIWYG deal -- no
> more to come. Also, that program used the registry to store
> annotations, which led to registry bloat.
It makes sense to me that it was done with registry entries. I'm thinking
about the columns that explorer does have. The name, the size, the date,
and the attributes (albeit that this last one is not displayed by default
in w9x until a reg mod). Those are four real things, properties of the
file. Then there is one more column, intrinsic to the registry only, but
not the files. The "Type" column. This being arbitrary names assigned to
invented file types. Arbitrary names that explorer displays in the "type"
column based on whatever the registry has been told about an extension's
connection with an assigned file type name. Now, to makes some sense to
me that the program used registry entries for an additional column (not
that it's within my scope to speculate where/how it wove them in)....
But what I cannot visualize is how the actual interface of explorer could
get modified to have an additional column. If that's what the program
tried to do, then it's definitely no surprise it was buggy. A program
I would like to see then would be a separate file manager that offers up
an extra column for on-the-fly annotations. This would be useful not just
for one keeping track of system info, but too that one could take advantage
to use the interface as a flexible workspace, eg marking document files
with priority markers and so on.
If XP already does have this going on, then for me, I'll just look that
direction for this wish, since, got to admit, I expect to get Borg'd to
that purchase soon enough.
Oh, my one other thought about how an additional annotation column could
possible be made up with explorer. Making a folder.htt file that uses
some advanced scripting. Might be an interesting exercise for scripters.
And this approach would hole the advantage of not needing to involve the
registry.
On the other hand, those of us who stay far away from "web view" display
in explorer, we'd not benefit.
> I ended up uninstalling it
> and chalking the cost up to experience.
Yeah, I too know about learning that lesson, to avoid purchase until a
good fair amount of time spent testing the prospective software...
In any case, I appreciate your info, that at least once, there had been
an attempt to write the kind of utility I asked about. And that it stands
that no real success in the venture has appeared to make it forth.
Best,
--
moZ
Colin J Denman
freeware.
scribex stated in
>news:MPG.16d8f732f...@netnews.worldnet.att.net:
><snip>
>> There was (is?) a shareware program (pardon) that does just
[]
>> registry to store annotations, which led to registry bloat. I
>
>Maybe ask another group about this 'shareware' program?!
Boomer
> http://www.na.rim.or.jp/~norio/index-e.shtml Infotip extension?
> but it is freeware.
Read under "License"
http://www.na.rim.or.jp/~norio/InfoTipX/readme-e.shtml
HTH
> scribex stated in
>>news:MPG.16d8f732f...@netnews.worldnet.att.net:
>><snip>
>>> There was (is?) a shareware program (pardon) that does just
> []
>>> registry to store annotations, which led to registry bloat. I
>>
>>Maybe ask another group about this 'shareware' program?!
>
>
>
>
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* Funny, I don't remember being absent minded. *
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
_Top posters use IE/OE_ ;-)
Colin J Denman
"InfoTip Extension is free!
You should send notification by e-mail when redistributing this package."
I seem to be missing your point. The package appears to be free. I would
think notification before *redistributing* (on CD, websites etc) is standard
etiquette, even for freeware.
Boomer wrote in message
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Blinky the Shark
news:3i007uchl6m13617q...@4ax.com:
> It makes sense to me that it was done with registry entries. I'm
> thinking about the columns that explorer does have. The name,
> the size, the date, and the attributes (albeit that this last
> one is not displayed by default in w9x until a reg mod). Those
> are four real things, properties of the file. Then there is one
> more column, intrinsic to the registry only, but not the files.
> The "Type" column. This being arbitrary names assigned to
> invented file types. Arbitrary names that explorer displays in
> the "type" column based on whatever the registry has been told
> about an extension's connection with an assigned file type name.
> Now, to makes some sense to me that the program used registry
> entries for an additional column (not that it's within my scope
> to speculate where/how it wove them in)....
>
> But what I cannot visualize is how the actual interface of
> explorer could get modified to have an additional column. If
I'm wondering if it really *did* perform that surgery on Explorer,
or if it used its own Explorer clone. I tested/discarded a piece of
software once, that did (displayed) what you describe, but only via
its own FM, which was *very* close to Explorer in look and feel. If
I remember correctly, when you copyied/moved annotated files around
- with that FM - the annotations would follow them; but that was not
the case if you used Explorer. And no, I don't have a clue as to
the name of the utility I'm addressing -- so sorry about that.
As a pre-emptive strike, I shall apply this to myself: D'oh! :)
As it works out, I'm using an annotator that adds an Annotation tab
under file properties.
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Blinky
moz...@dev.null
<sp...@cjdenman.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> http://www.na.rim.or.jp/~norio/index-e.shtml Infotip extension? but it is
> freeware.
Hey, thanks. In my contemplation earlier about file info displayed in
explorer, I'd totally forgotten about the "infotip" entries in the
registry.
I am looking at a screenshot of this utility....
<http://www.na.rim.or.jp/~norio/InfoTipX/images/InfoTipX_sample_English_Display_Properties.gif>
From that image, it appears that the utility adds annotations for files
according to categories based on extensions. Along similar lines to the
"File Types" names in the registry and explorer's display.
The utility appears to do annotations by category, not by individual files,
so it's not what I was wishing after.
Still it looks interesting. I think I have use for trying it out too. For
one thing, I've lately been messing with adding some custom file extensions
into my registry. An example: *.exe files renamed to a defined *.8
extension when they are of the executable installer/setup type. Problem
is my memory, what my new extensions were supposed to represent. This
tooltip utility looks like it could come in handy for that, displaying
the category definitions that I forget.
So I think I'll experiment with poking around with this Infotip Extension
utility you've pointed out. (After I've safely backed up the registry of
course.)
Best,
--
moZ
Colin J Denman
particular extensions contain relevant info, but you can also specify
information (a small note) for individual files. Having said that, the note
is associated in the registry with the file's path and is not subject to
change when a file is moved or archived. Registry bloat can be a problem.
An intriguing sideline occurs if you use the "web page" view in explorer.
Infotip's data is then rendered in the left hand panel along with the usual
extension description. Using the content of the file (as in the .txt style)
can lead to interesting interactions if the content is itself html.
The software is somewhat old now, and looks like it will not be improved,
but I've never had any problems with it either in operation or with its use
of the registry.
moz...@dev.null wrote in message ...
[]
>From that image, it appears that the utility adds annotations for files
>according to categories based on extensions. Along similar lines to the
>"File Types" names in the registry and explorer's display.
>
>The utility appears to do annotations by category, not by individual files,
>so it's not what I was wishing after.
>
[]
moz...@dev.null
> moz...@dev.null wrote in
>
> > But what I cannot visualize is how the actual interface of
> > explorer could get modified to have an additional column. If
>
> I'm wondering if it really *did* perform that surgery on Explorer,
> or if it used its own Explorer clone. I tested/discarded a piece of
> software once, that did (displayed) what you describe, but only via
> its own FM, which was *very* close to Explorer in look and feel. If
> I remember correctly, when you copyied/moved annotated files around
> - with that FM - the annotations would follow them; but that was not
> the case if you used Explorer. And no, I don't have a clue as to
> the name of the utility I'm addressing -- so sorry about that.
Some help you are! Get my hopes up. Then leave me abandoned without the
name. <sulk>
(Although your uninstalling it might be because it was buggy/limp instance
#327 of the file managers..?)
> As a pre-emptive strike, I shall apply this to myself: D'oh! :)
Ah well. Memory issues. <g> [My biggest D'oh this week occurred after
burying a deceased pet in an unearthed spot that turned out to have bones
from someone's previous small animal, leading me to inquire after what year
the earlier pet could have been buried, that the bones were still around;
answer given me was "uh have you ever heard of paleontology?"]
> As it works out, I'm using an annotator that adds an Annotation tab
> under file properties.
I think that might be the same one that I've got installed? Annotx? If
so, then mainly on that one, I would like to see what its author claimed
he was working on, a way to call up the annotation entries independently
(find or browse), instead of just clicking up an individual file.
Best,
--
moZ
Blinky the Shark
news:eag07ucu45em5n496...@4ax.com:
> On 17 Feb 2002 23:18:57 GMT, Blinky the Shark
> <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>> moz...@dev.null wrote in
>>
>> > But what I cannot visualize is how the actual interface of
>> > explorer could get modified to have an additional column. If
>>
>> I'm wondering if it really *did* perform that surgery on
>> Explorer, or if it used its own Explorer clone. I
>> tested/discarded a piece of software once, that did (displayed)
>> what you describe, but only via its own FM, which was *very*
>> close to Explorer in look and feel. If I remember correctly,
>> when you copyied/moved annotated files around - with that FM -
>> the annotations would follow them; but that was not the case if
>> you used Explorer. And no, I don't have a clue as to the name
>> of the utility I'm addressing -- so sorry about that.
>
> Some help you are! Get my hopes up. Then leave me abandoned
> without the name. <sulk>
Sort of freeware foreplay, isn't it? :)
> (Although your uninstalling it might be because it was
> buggy/limp instance #327 of the file managers..?)
No, it was definitely an *annotator*, and the FM (if it did indeed
use one) was just a necessary accessory.
>> As a pre-emptive strike, I shall apply this to myself: D'oh!
>> :)
>
> Ah well. Memory issues. <g> [My biggest D'oh this week occurred
> after burying a deceased pet in an unearthed spot that turned
> out to have bones from someone's previous small animal, leading
> me to inquire after what year the earlier pet could have been
> buried, that the bones were still around; answer given me was
> "uh have you ever heard of paleontology?"]
For large *or* small values of "paleo". :)
>> As it works out, I'm using an annotator that adds an Annotation
>> tab under file properties.
>
> I think that might be the same one that I've got installed?
> Annotx? If so, then mainly on that one, I would like to see what
> its author claimed he was working on, a way to call up the
> annotation entries independently (find or browse), instead of
> just clicking up an individual file.
I use Annotsx; and whether or not that's what you intended, that
addition would be far too hip for words.
--
Blinky
prizm
"ANNOTSX" Once installed, ANNOTSX adds a new page to the "properties"
folder of each of your files. This "annotation" page is accessible by simply
right-clicking on any file and choosing "properties". In this page, you can
add, edit and remove file comments that can be longer than the 255 character
limitation that Windows imposes on file names.
http://www.softlookup.com/dis25961.html
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"Bob Adams" <EEZYTX...@spammotel.com> wrote in message
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Jack
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>Z2UgbmV3czpqamVyNnU0cjg0ZmVkbWM5c2V0aDQzazF0dDJmNjhhMmpqQDRheC5jb20uLi4NCj4g
Using FileNotes v4.1 by JAM Software
Filename: FN41.zip
www.flash.net
Are you using ROT13 encoding in your posts? I get all garbled text as
per above.
If responding by e-m-a-i-l drop "ia" after "d".
Blinky the Shark
news:a4pto...@enews4.newsguy.com:
> "ANNOTSX" Once installed, ANNOTSX adds a new page to the
> "properties" folder of each of your files. This "annotation"
> page is accessible by simply right-clicking on any file and
> choosing "properties". In this page, you can add, edit and
> remove file comments that can be longer than the 255 character
> limitation that Windows imposes on file names.
Been using this one. Drawbacks are you can't see annotations in an
Explorer list, and you can't search them -- so you can't find a file
*by* its annotation; you can only get to the annotation if you've
already found the file. But somebody just mentioned something about
the author and a vaporware rumor regarding some kind of
searchability.
--
Blinky
Jack
Forgot to add that FileNotes saves the notes to a newly created column
of Windows Explorer.
Blinky the Shark
news:3c70955d...@news.earthlink.net:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:23:18 +0100, "Flo" <cr3...@chello.be>
> wrote:
>>VGhhbmtzIGZvciB5b3VyIGhlbHANCg0KPG1vemlra2FAZGV2Lm51bGw+IHdyb3RlI
>>GluIG1lc3Nh
>>Z2UgbmV3czpqamVyNnU0cjg0ZmVkbWM5c2V0aDQzazF0dDJmNjhhMmpqQDRheC5jb
>>20uLi4NCj4g
> Are you using ROT13 encoding in your posts? I get all garbled
> text as per above.
> If responding by e-m-a-i-l drop "ia" after "d".
Spaces remain spaces, and numbers don't change -- so if he was ROT-
13ing, what you quoted would've had to be one word, containing a
lot of numbers. :)
--
Blinky
Shakib Otaqui
moz...@dev.null wrote:
> [...]
> From that image, it appears that the utility adds annotations for files
> according to categories based on extensions. Along similar lines to the
> "File Types" names in the registry and explorer's display.
>
> The utility appears to do annotations by category, not by individual files,
> so it's not what I was wishing after.
> [...]
Have a look at DescExt, a freeware shell extension that allows
adding descriptions for individual files. A companion utility,
DescExp, displays the descriptions in Explorer. While intended
for users of 4DOS and Take Command, both work without them.
Some limitations (from the readme file):
- DescExt does not hook into the copy, move or rename process of
the explorer. So if you have a description to a file, and copy,
move or rename the file with the explorer, the description will
not be moved or copied to the new file.
- If you rename or delete a file with the explorer the
description won't be deleted from DESCRIPT.ION
- The maximum length of descriptions DescExt can handle is 1024
characters.
Available at <http://www.rbahr.de/>
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moz...@dev.null
> moz...@dev.null wrote in
> >
> >> close to Explorer in look and feel. If I remember correctly,
> >> when you copyied/moved annotated files around - with that FM -
> >> the annotations would follow them; but that was not the case if
> >> you used Explorer. And no, I don't have a clue as to the name
> >> of the utility I'm addressing -- so sorry about that.
> >>
> > Some help you are! Get my hopes up. Then leave me abandoned
> > without the name. <sulk>
>
> Sort of freeware foreplay, isn't it? :)
Bait and tease. Are you sure that such freeware foreplay is in the license
agreement? Mais en guarde! What if the user gets frustrated enough she
chooses to just leave it prone, on a handcuffed hard disk, while she
ventures off to turn on someone else's computer?
> > (Although your uninstalling it might be because it was
> > buggy/limp instance #327 of the file managers..?)
>
> No, it was definitely an *annotator*, and the FM (if it did indeed
> use one) was just a necessary accessory.
There was a program brought up in this thread last night (by
jdia...@yahoo.com), one called Jam FileNotes. I wonder if by chance
that might be an earier incarnation of the one you'd once tested out.
I installed it tonight. Now this one does add on to explorer itself;
it's not a separate FM. Main thing: it adds that extra column whose
possibility I've been wondering about. And it includes the feature
that you were mentioning with the program you'd once tested, of the
annotations moving with their parent files during copy/move operations.
How this column is added in, while I studied the registry entries after
installation, that's not clear to me. I'm feeling inclined to conclude
that it must be in the OS, the room for one extra column. Since I'm
not a programmer hanging out in MSDN scouring the Windows API documenation,
I suppose I shouldn't, as they say, fret my pretty little head over it
too much longer.
> > me to inquire after what year the earlier pet could have been
> > buried, that the bones were still around; answer given me was
> > "uh have you ever heard of paleontology?"]
>
> For large *or* small values of "paleo". :)
Heh. Yes you got it, or -very- small values of paleo. It wasn't as
if any step along the way I'd figured myself stumbling across some
American aboriginal pets burial grounds.
> > Annotx? If so, then mainly on that one, I would like to see what
> > its author claimed he was working on, a way to call up the
> > annotation entries independently (find or browse), instead of
> > just clicking up an individual file.
>
> I use Annotsx; and whether or not that's what you intended, that
> addition would be far too hip for words.
What I intended. yeah; I'd typed the name incorrectly. Tonight I went
again to the author's site, where he'd posted those big promises, and
this time I did the "javascript:alert(document.lastModified)" string
into the browser address bar. The answer returned: "06/09/2000."
On the other hand, the Jam FileNotes includes this ability (browse
annotations externally), amongst its features. The limit is that it's
only for w9x platforms; explicitly not for 2000/XP.
<http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,28189,.html>
So far, I'm liking it. I'll have to watch for whether explorer gets slowed
down after longer use. Although I do note that the text of the annotations,
it is stored in files in a given directory, not the registry, so that much
is encouraging...
Best,
--
moZ
moz...@dev.null
(Shakib Otaqui) wrote:
> Have a look at DescExt, a freeware shell extension that allows
> adding descriptions for individual files. A companion utility,
> DescExp, displays the descriptions in Explorer. While intended
> for users of 4DOS and Take Command, both work without them.
>
> Some limitations (from the readme file):
>
> - DescExt does not hook into the copy, move or rename process of
> the explorer. So if you have a description to a file, and copy,
> move or rename the file with the explorer, the description will
> not be moved or copied to the new file.
>
> - If you rename or delete a file with the explorer the
> description won't be deleted from DESCRIPT.ION
>
> - The maximum length of descriptions DescExt can handle is 1024
> characters.
>
> Available at <http://www.rbahr.de/>
Thank you for the info. I checked into this tonight...
Several years ago I did have a program installed on my computer that left
"descript.ion" files around, could maybe have been an earlier incarnation
of this one. I remember about the second limitation mentioned above...
and that those descript.ion files can become something of a clutter
annoyance.
But what was new to me was adding an annotation column in explorer.
Yes, true enough, it is accomplished. This program, as well as another
mentioned in this thread last night, Jam FileNotes, both of them add
an extra column, annotations that are typed in on an extra tab in the
file's Properties dialog.
Choosing between those two programs, no contest. Jam FileNotes has more
features, including that a file's annotations follow it on copy/move...
and really is on the whole just a more evolved animal.
Another difference is that DescExp was buggy for me. When it was in
its default location of the startmenu's startup group -- it was causing
a complete freeze (cold boot to bail) of my system during windows load
up. This seemed to have to do with it's feuding with a couple of small
explorer utilities that are also in my startup group. Removed it from
there, but continued to experience some buginess. A system crash when
I tried to run it at the same time as FileNotes. Explorer possibly
only permits one extra explorer column at a time. So that crash was
perhaps reasonable, that the two were pitted against each other for a
single system area. Eh, but the next thing I discovered was that it
punched cold out of the ring a utility whom I depend on constantly
(Powerdesk's Dialog Helper, which works in the FileOpen/SaveAs dialog
boxes). In short DescExp can't play well with others...and needless to
say this is a crowded house of a freeware junkie, so I had to show it
the door.
Main thing however: I appreciated learning of this program, and being
able to look it over. It, along with the others mentioned in this thread,
show that I was fully mistaken to think there did not exist a program
that would give be an additional explorer/FM column to display users'
individual file annotations.
Best,
--
moZ
Blinky the Shark
news:rhv37ucha9binoghj...@4ax.com:
> On 18 Feb 2002 01:32:03 GMT, Blinky the Shark
> <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>> moz...@dev.null wrote in
>> >
>> >> close to Explorer in look and feel. If I remember
>> >> correctly, when you copyied/moved annotated files around -
>> >> with that FM - the annotations would follow them; but that
>> >> was not the case if you used Explorer. And no, I don't have
>> >> a clue as to the name of the utility I'm addressing -- so
>> >> sorry about that.
>> >>
>> > Some help you are! Get my hopes up. Then leave me abandoned
>> > without the name. <sulk>
>>
>> Sort of freeware foreplay, isn't it? :)
>
> Bait and tease. Are you sure that such freeware foreplay is in
> the license agreement? Mais en guarde! What if the user gets
> frustrated enough she chooses to just leave it prone, on a
> handcuffed hard disk, while she ventures off to turn on someone
> else's computer?
If she is so...er...prone, then she, herself, embodies the ultimate
expression of the freeware concept, as long as she distributes
herself intact, in whole, and without any modifications, with no
demands for payment or other consideration.
And not having any viruses would be good, too.
>> > (Although your uninstalling it might be because it was
>> > buggy/limp instance #327 of the file managers..?)
>>
>> No, it was definitely an *annotator*, and the FM (if it did
>> indeed use one) was just a necessary accessory.
>
> There was a program brought up in this thread last night (by
> jdia...@yahoo.com), one called Jam FileNotes. I wonder if by
> chance that might be an earier incarnation of the one you'd once
> tested out. I installed it tonight. Now this one does add on to
> explorer itself; it's not a separate FM. Main thing: it adds
> that extra column whose possibility I've been wondering about.
> And it includes the feature that you were mentioning with the
> program you'd once tested, of the annotations moving with their
> parent files during copy/move operations.
Great combination, however they do it. Can you search a drive for a
string in an annotation? My bet is that you can't, but we weren't
sure that an extra column/field/whatever could be coaxed out of the
gen-u-wine Explorer, either. I think that would be the Killer
Feature in this kind of utility.
> How this column is added in, while I studied the registry
> entries after installation, that's not clear to me. I'm feeling
> inclined to conclude that it must be in the OS, the room for one
> extra column. Since I'm not a programmer hanging out in MSDN
> scouring the Windows API documenation, I suppose I shouldn't, as
> they say, fret my pretty little head over it too much longer.
Still, as barely even a dabbler in that mystic craft, I'm curious,
as well.
A light bulb just went on, directly over *my* head. <clickety>
<click> <click> False alarm. It struck me that my Mystery
Annotator might have been simply named "File Annotator". Indeed,
there is such a creature, but - like Annotsx - it adds an annotation
tab to the files Properties.
>> > me to inquire after what year the earlier pet could have been
>> > buried, that the bones were still around; answer given me was
>> > "uh have you ever heard of paleontology?"]
>>
>> For large *or* small values of "paleo". :)
>
> Heh. Yes you got it, or -very- small values of paleo. It wasn't
> as if any step along the way I'd figured myself stumbling across
> some American aboriginal pets burial grounds.
One expects this rarely. :)
>> > Annotx? If so, then mainly on that one, I would like to see
>> > what its author claimed he was working on, a way to call up
>> > the annotation entries independently (find or browse),
>> > instead of just clicking up an individual file.
>>
>> I use Annotsx; and whether or not that's what you intended,
>> that addition would be far too hip for words.
>
> What I intended. yeah; I'd typed the name incorrectly. Tonight I
> went again to the author's site, where he'd posted those big
> promises, and this time I did the
> "javascript:alert(document.lastModified)" string into the
> browser address bar. The answer returned: "06/09/2000."
Suggest Google on phrase "aft gang aglay". ;)
> On the other hand, the Jam FileNotes includes this ability
> (browse annotations externally), amongst its features. The limit
> is that it's only for w9x platforms; explicitly not for 2000/XP.
> <http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,28189,.html>
98SE here. <raising hand>
> So far, I'm liking it. I'll have to watch for whether explorer
> gets slowed down after longer use. Although I do note that the
> text of the annotations, it is stored in files in a given
> directory, not the registry, so that much is encouraging...
I might check it out. But, of course, there's a big self-
(and software-) inflicted catch: now that I've annotated files with
Annotsx, and have no way of searching/indicating/listing them,
moving to another system will be kind of a pain in the patoot. :)
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Blinky
moz...@dev.null
> Using FileNotes v4.1 by JAM Software
THANKS ! Just what the doctor ordered. So far it does look quite good. :)
. . .
> Filename: FN41.zip
> www.flash.net
(I'll add here some URL info)
Looks to be that the author has registered a domain:
<http://www.jamworkspro.com/>
That redirects currently to his user space over at flash.net. The
download link there was not correct; also it was not updated clearly
about his having last year changed the prog from shareware to freeware.
So it's right now this zdnet link best overcomes both those issues:
<http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,28189,.html>
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moZ
John Fitzsimons
< snip >
>>Using FileNotes v4.1 by JAM Software
>>Filename: FN41.zip
>>www.flash.net
< snip >
>Forgot to add that FileNotes saves the notes to a newly created column
>of Windows Explorer.
If you mean FileNotes at
http://home.flash.net/~jmosier/FileNotes/index.htm
Then you also forgot to add that ;
http://home.flash.net/~jmosier/FileNotes/order.htm
says ;
"Number of Licenses x $24.95"
Not exactly "freeware".
Regards, John.
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Blinky the Shark
news:j3747u8i4url6ahke...@4ax.com:
> Several years ago I did have a program installed on my computer
> that left "descript.ion" files around, could maybe have been an
> earlier incarnation of this one. I remember about the second
> limitation mentioned above... and that those descript.ion files
> can become something of a clutter annoyance.
And they're really just a text file with each line containing the
filename, a space, and your annotation. The dedicated editors just
display them nicely, and give you a UI for annotation and
manipulation. Not that that's inadequate.
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Shakib Otaqui
moz...@dev.null wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:55:32 +0000 (GMT), sha...@tinlc.lumbercartel.com
> (Shakib Otaqui) wrote:
>
> > Have a look at DescExt, a freeware shell extension that allows
> [...]
> Thank you for the info. I checked into this tonight...
>
> Several years ago I did have a program installed on my computer that left
> "descript.ion" files around, could maybe have been an earlier incarnation
> of this one. I remember about the second limitation mentioned above...
> and that those descript.ion files can become something of a clutter
> annoyance.
Quite a few programs use the 4DOS descript.ion files; one I use
is the shareware ACDSee image viewer. I find them preferable
to the alternatives offered by some description utilities: a
separate text file for every file being described, or registry
entries that further bloat that already overgrown file.
> But what was new to me was adding an annotation column in explorer.
> Yes, true enough, it is accomplished. This program, as well as another
> mentioned in this thread last night, Jam FileNotes, both of them add
> an extra column, annotations that are typed in on an extra tab in the
> file's Properties dialog.
I'd love to have something like this, but I never use Explorer
which is a pathetic apology for a file manager. The one I use,
Windows Commander, doesn't support this feature though it may
do so in the future - the author has in the past very
responsive to user suggestions. I should add that I'm a beta
tester and so am prejudiced in its favour.
> Choosing between those two programs, no contest. Jam FileNotes has more
> features, including that a file's annotations follow it on copy/move...
> and really is on the whole just a more evolved animal.
Agreed. My own use of the descriptions does, however, make it
less important for me - I use them to identify odd files whose
origin took me a while to discover and which usually stay where
they are.
> Another difference is that DescExp was buggy for me. When it was in
> its default location of the startmenu's startup group -- it was causing
> a complete freeze (cold boot to bail) of my system during windows load
> up. This seemed to have to do with it's feuding with a couple of small
> explorer utilities that are also in my startup group. Removed it from
> there, but continued to experience some buginess. A system crash when
> I tried to run it at the same time as FileNotes. Explorer possibly
> only permits one extra explorer column at a time. So that crash was
> perhaps reasonable, that the two were pitted against each other for a
> single system area. Eh, but the next thing I discovered was that it
> punched cold out of the ring a utility whom I depend on constantly
> (Powerdesk's Dialog Helper, which works in the FileOpen/SaveAs dialog
> boxes). In short DescExp can't play well with others...and needless to
> say this is a crowded house of a freeware junkie, so I had to show it
> the door.
I meant to mention that I also found DescExp buggy. In fact,
it always locked up during the installation process and I've
always removed it from the Startup directory immediately after
rebooting. I've just written to the author about this and will
pass on any reply.
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Jack
<suffl...@mailexpire.com> wrote:
>Then you also forgot to add that ;
>
>http://home.flash.net/~jmosier/FileNotes/order.htm
>
>says ;
>
>"Number of Licenses x $24.95"
>
>Not exactly "freeware".
>
>Regards, John.
Are you sure we're talking about the same version? My version 4.1 is
absolutely free. Have had it installed for 5 months; no nag screens or
time limitations. I think you're talking about a different version.
My license agreement reads, in part as follows:
"FileNotes (tm) version 4.1
Copyright (C) 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 Jay Mosier, JAM Software.
All Rights Reserved
WELCOME TO FileNotes Version 4.1 FOR Windows 9x
License Agreement for the Released as Free Version of FileNotes
---------------------------------------------------------------
License Agreement
Effective July 1, 2001
The use of FileNotes is subject to the following terms
and conditions.
FILENOTES IS COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL.
It is protected by the copyright laws of the United States,
the State of Texas, and other proprietary rights of Jay Mosier.
THIS LICENSE IS NOT A SALE
Title and copyrights to the program, accompanying documentation
and any copy made by you remain with the original publisher.
RIGHTS GRANTED BY THIS LICENSE
This license grants the user the right to install and operate
the FILENOTES software any computer.
No fee, charge or other compensation may be accepted or requested
by anyone without the express written permission of Jay Mosier.
Public Domain Disk Vendors May NOT CHARGE a fee for any version
of the FILENOTES program itself. However you may include
FileNotes Free on a diskette/CD-ROM for which you charge a
nominal distribution fee."
Jack
<t...@soon.alphalink.com.au> wrote:
>"FileNotes is freeware, courtesy of JAM Software" according to
>rocketdownload, but the site above, which I presume is the homesite.
>is charging for it. Newer payware version?
>
>Alan
Alan, for safety purposes I take manual notes of each file downloaded.
My note, among other bits of info reads:
FN41.ZIP 1.59mb d/l 10/29/01 fr. www.flashnet.com thru a ZDNET link.
Seems that if d/led through ZDNET (or, in your case, through
rocketdownload) the sw is free. Either John is talking about a
different version, or the program is free, courtesy of ZDNET.
Boomer
This it?
http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,10615,28189,00.html
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John Fitzsimons
>On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:44:45 +1100, John Fitzsimons
><suffl...@mailexpire.com> wrote:
>>Then you also forgot to add that ;
>>http://home.flash.net/~jmosier/FileNotes/order.htm
>>says ;
>>"Number of Licenses x $24.95"
>>Not exactly "freeware".
>>Regards, John.
>Are you sure we're talking about the same version? My version 4.1 is
>absolutely free.
< snip >
Go to "evaluation" page at ;
http://home.flash.net/~jmosier/FileNotes/download.htm
and the download link says FNE41.zip . Looks like the same as yours
to me. :-(