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Franklin

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Aug 11, 2006, 4:27:36 PM8/11/06
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Can't remember if someone here mentioned it recently but am trying to
find a utility which improves on Windows "Save As".

Rather than press the "Save As" dialog buttons, the utility let you to
change the default display in the Window.

For example, you could get a "detail" display of files. Perhaps it even
let you select the columns.

Does anyone know which utility this is?

... et al.

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Aug 16, 2006, 10:07:11 PM8/16/06
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Franklin wrote:

You are perhaps trying to remember Luke Hudson's 'OpenWide':
<http://lingo.atspace.com/openwide.html>


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Roger Johansson

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Aug 17, 2006, 5:52:18 AM8/17/06
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... et al. wrote:
> Franklin wrote:

> > Can't remember if someone here mentioned it recently but am trying to
> > find a utility which improves on Windows "Save As".

> > Rather than press the "Save As" dialog buttons, the utility let you to
> > change the default display in the Window.

> > For example, you could get a "detail" display of files. Perhaps it even
> > let you select the columns.

I have been looking for such a utility too.

> You are perhaps trying to remember Luke Hudson's 'OpenWide':
> <http://lingo.atspace.com/openwide.html>

The problem with this program is that it doesn't work, otherwise it is
exactly the kind of program I am looking for.

I set it to show detailed list, and it only shows a list.
I have tried all kinds of settings, like setting to show list, it shows
list.
Set to show thumbnails, it shows list. Set to show small icons, it
shows list.

It shows list in all settings, and it does not make the save window as
big as I have set it. The same goes for the open file window.

It simply doesn't work at all.

I use win2000pro sp4.

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Roger J.

Franklin

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Aug 17, 2006, 3:00:41 PM8/17/06
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On 17 Aug 2006, Roger Johansson<roge...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> ... et al. wrote:
>> Franklin wrote:
>
>> > Can't remember if someone here mentioned it recently but am
>> > trying to find a utility which improves on Windows "Save As".
>
>> > Rather than press the "Save As" dialog buttons, the utility let
>> > you to change the default display in the Window.
>
>> > For example, you could get a "detail" display of files. Perhaps
>> > it even let you select the columns.
>
> I have been looking for such a utility too.
>
>> You are perhaps trying to remember Luke Hudson's 'OpenWide':
>> <http://lingo.atspace.com/openwide.html>
>
> The problem with this program is that it doesn't work, otherwise it
> is exactly the kind of program I am looking for.

Partly works on XP.

>
> I set it to show detailed list, and it only shows a list.
>
> I have tried all kinds of settings, like setting to show list, it
> shows list.
> Set to show thumbnails, it shows list. Set to show small icons, it
> shows list.
>
> It shows list in all settings,

I get detailed as requested. If I change details to large icons then
that too works.

> and it does not make the save window
> as big as I have set it. The same goes for the open file window.

It is ok with XP. Metapad and Windows Notepad are changed. Although
MS Word (ver.11) is not.

Frank Bohan

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Aug 18, 2006, 10:36:54 AM8/18/06
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"Roger Johansson" <roge...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155808338.1...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

Take a look at XYplorer. It's now payware, but the last freeware version is
on the Pricelessware site
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2006/PL2006FILEUTILITIES.php

===

Frank Bohan
ś You're never fully dressed without a smile.

Franklin

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Aug 19, 2006, 9:49:15 AM8/19/06
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On 17 Aug 2006, Franklin<fran...@nomail.com> wrote:

> Partly works on XP.
>
>>
>> I set it to show detailed list, and it only shows a list.
>>
>> I have tried all kinds of settings, like setting to show list, it
>> shows list.
>> Set to show thumbnails, it shows list. Set to show small icons, it
>> shows list.
>>
>> It shows list in all settings,
>
> I get detailed as requested. If I change details to large icons then
> that too works.


Hmmm ... some other apps are not happy with it.

Roger Johansson

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Aug 19, 2006, 3:44:39 PM8/19/06
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Frank Bohan wrote:

> >> > find a utility which improves on Windows "Save As".

> >> <http://lingo.atspace.com/openwide.html>
> > The problem with this program is that it doesn't work, otherwise it is

> Take a look at XYplorer. It's now payware, but the last freeware version is

Why? Does it change the open and save as dialog boxes?

I have read about its features, and it says nothing about changing
these dialog boxes.


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Roger J.

... et al.

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Aug 21, 2006, 9:25:25 PM8/21/06
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Roger Johansson wrote:

> ... et al. wrote:
>
>> Franklin wrote:
>
>> > Can't remember if someone here mentioned it recently but am trying to
>> > find a utility which improves on Windows "Save As".
>
>> > Rather than press the "Save As" dialog buttons, the utility let you to
>> > change the default display in the Window.
>
>> > For example, you could get a "detail" display of files. Perhaps it even
>> > let you select the columns.
>
> I have been looking for such a utility too.
>

As have i, and i've seen other people on the 'net requesting that
default setting. It's good that Windows allows you to change your
'View Mode' to details view and also resize the Open/Save Dialog
window, but it's too bad that there is no way to make Windows remember
these settings.

>> You are perhaps trying to remember Luke Hudson's 'OpenWide':
>> <http://lingo.atspace.com/openwide.html>
>
> The problem with this program is that it doesn't work, otherwise it is
> exactly the kind of program I am looking for.

[snip]

> It simply doesn't work at all.
>
> I use win2000pro sp4.

From the web-site:
"This is a test release. Limited testing has shown it to work on a
release of Win2000 Professional and a release of WinXP Home"

I learnt about the program and downloaded it about a year ago, but the
"This is a test release." bit sounded more alpha-release material then
the beta label it has so i never installed it back then.

I use WinXP (Home Ed. Bundle) and seeing that it hasn't been updated
since last time i checked i finally went ahead and installed that
1.2Beta-version anyway when i did my earlier post. and for me it does
function. (I'm sorry to hear it doesn't for you.)

As i see it from using Windows[NT], not programming for it, developers
seem to have several different built-in Open/Save Dialog GUI's they can
choose to call ... or they can program their own.

1.) +PlacesBar, +Resizable,
2.) -PlacesBar, +Resizable,
3.) +PlacesBar, -Resizable,
4.) -PlacesBar, -Resizable,
... and several other ones, that one perhaps can't easily tell apart.

So far 'OpenWide' seem to work for me with program that use Open/Save
Dialogs of the first type above.
The program using type two above, 'OpenWide' manages my prefered
'Details' View Mode but does not resize the window.
For the program using type three above, 'OpenWide' did not manage the
'View Mode' and can't (of course) change the window's size.
Haven't seen any program with type four since i installed 'OpenWide'.

(PS. I did install 'OpenWide' under Win98SE, and starting it there gave
an error-dialog. .. a missing export-function in some DLL.)

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Roger Johansson

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Aug 22, 2006, 12:36:02 AM8/22/06
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... et al. wrote:

> >> You are perhaps trying to remember Luke Hudson's 'OpenWide':
> >> <http://lingo.atspace.com/openwide.html>

> > The problem with this program is that it doesn't work, otherwise it is
> > exactly the kind of program I am looking for.

> > I use win2000pro sp4.

> From the web-site:
> "This is a test release. Limited testing has shown it to work on a
> release of Win2000 Professional and a release of WinXP Home"

Maybe they tested it on a win2000pro without sp4, and sp4 stops it from
working somehow.

> I learnt about the program and downloaded it about a year ago, but the
> "This is a test release." bit sounded more alpha-release material then
> the beta label it has so i never installed it back then.

It's a pity it isn't actively developed so bugs could be fixed.

> So far 'OpenWide' seem to work for me with program that use Open/Save
> Dialogs of the first type above.

I tested it with only two programs, Polyedit and Opera, maybe it would
work with other programs, but those are two of my most used programs.

I have a vague memory of having such a program years ago, when I was
running win98. I thought it was windows powerpro, but when I checked
that for this thread I could not find such a function.

Or maybe it was some kind of tweakui type of programs, there are many
of those.
I bet there are settings in the registry which control these things.

Another possibility it a script program that sniffed the title of every
window, and sent a bunch of keys to each save as and open file window,
quickly setting it to details, selecting sort order column etc.. but it
is too much work.


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Roger J.

Demetris

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Aug 22, 2006, 2:09:17 AM8/22/06
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Roger Johansson wrote:
>> So far 'OpenWide' seem to work for me with program that use Open/Save
>> Dialogs of the first type above.
>
> I tested it with only two programs, Polyedit and Opera, maybe it would
> work with other programs, but those are two of my most used programs.
>
> I have a vague memory of having such a program years ago, when I was
> running win98. I thought it was windows powerpro, but when I checked
> that for this thread I could not find such a function.
>
I now use of OpenWide (I'm happy with it). In the past I've used
MultiEnhancer, which patches the releveant .dll.

* http://www.netcult.ch/elmue/
* http://www.essential-freebies.de/board/viewtopic.php?t=3411

It is actively developed, but there is no change log.

It supports English and German Windows from 95 B to 2003 SP1.

\beginquote

The window is enlarged, scrolling vertically, filesize and date are
displayed. This crack works with EVERY program.

Exception: Microsoft Word and Excel have their own File-Open Box, these
will stay unchanged.

There is a known problem with Corel Draw. The File-Open Box from Corel
Draw may not display correctly (depending on the Corel Version) This is
a bug in Corel Draw, I can not do anything against that. Please write to
the Corel Support and nag them to eleminate this old bug! But you can
still work with Corel although some fields of the file open box are
unavailable.

\endquote

Greetings,
Demetris

Roger Johansson

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Aug 22, 2006, 9:52:16 AM8/22/06
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Demetris wrote:

> I now use of OpenWide (I'm happy with it). In the past I've used
> MultiEnhancer, which patches the releveant .dll.

> It supports English and German Windows from 95 B to 2003 SP1.

Unfortunately is could not patch my system because I am using a swedish
version of windows.

But I found a lot of other very interesting freeware and information on
that site.

Thanks.


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Roger J.

lingo...@googlemail.com

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Aug 23, 2006, 2:18:22 AM8/23/06
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Hi there. I'm Luke Hudson, the writer of OpenWide. I happened to find
that people were discussing the program. I'm sorry it hasn't been
developed in a long time.
The program was very much a tool I wrote for personal use and it has
had only minimal development to make it public friendly. If there is
enough demand for it, I will release it as open source, so that people
can extend it themselves. I would be glad to see it becoming more
fully featured, but don't have the time to work on it myself.
Thanks for the support as well as the criticisms.

- Luke

Roger Johansson

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Aug 23, 2006, 3:11:05 PM8/23/06
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lingo...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Hi there. I'm Luke Hudson, the writer of OpenWide. I happened to find
> that people were discussing the program. I'm sorry it hasn't been
> developed in a long time.
> The program was very much a tool I wrote for personal use and it has
> had only minimal development to make it public friendly. If there is
> enough demand for it, I will release it as open source, so that people
> can extend it themselves. I would be glad to see it becoming more
> fully featured, but don't have the time to work on it myself.

Thanks for replying to this group. I think there is a lot of interest
in this program, there are a lot of people who do not use an english or
german version of windows.

I think it would be enough if you made it known that you make the
program open source and let interested people have access to your
material on the program.
You can leave all the practical details to those who are interested in
developing the program.

Maybe it is possible to remove the dependence on language, because it
doesn't seem necessary theoretically, these dialog boxes work in the
same way no matter what language is used, or it may be possible to
patch it for other languages.


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Roger J.

Demetris

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Aug 24, 2006, 6:11:52 AM8/24/06
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lingo...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Hi there. I'm Luke Hudson, the writer of OpenWide. I happened to find
> that people were discussing the program. I'm sorry it hasn't been
> developed in a long time.
> The program was very much a tool I wrote for personal use and it has
> had only minimal development to make it public friendly. If there is
> enough demand for it, I will release it as open source, so that people
> can extend it themselves. I would be glad to see it becoming more
> fully featured, but don't have the time to work on it myself.
> Thanks for the support as well as the criticisms.
>
> - Luke
>
OpenWide does the basic things that I want (resize, view mode, focus)
and works with the programs that I use in Win XP. I'm grateful for this
little program; it has saved me from some real frustration.

I think you have laid a good foundation. It would be great if the
program devoloped further, either by you if you find some time in the
future, or by someone else if you release the code as open-source.

Kind regards,
Demetris

... et al.

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Aug 24, 2006, 10:03:10 AM8/24/06
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lingo...@googlemail.com wrote:

> Hi there. I'm Luke Hudson, the writer of OpenWide. I happened to find
> that people were discussing the program. I'm sorry it hasn't been
> developed in a long time.
> The program was very much a tool I wrote for personal use and it has
> had only minimal development to make it public friendly. If there is
> enough demand for it, I will release it as open source, so that people
> can extend it themselves. I would be glad to see it becoming more
> fully featured, but don't have the time to work on it myself.
> Thanks for the support as well as the criticisms.
>
> - Luke

- 'OpenWide' does the (basic) things that I want it to do.
(Well, in fact i agree fully with Demetris' post.)

There is some glitch/feature with that the [Enter]- and [Return]-keys
don't execute the dialogs [Open] or [Save] buttons when the initial
focus is set to the default "File Name". (Like how Windows[NT] works
normally when 'OpenWide' is not running).
It does work when initial focus is changed to "File Type" as a
workaround though.

Many thanks Luke.

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