Triple D, packratting junk for the "season"
DeserTBoB
these days...packratting more junk ripped out of dead old coal miners'
homes to try to scam on eBay. Now, he's adding more Google Groups
accounts in hopes he can spam all that crap this winter.
Ain't gonna happen, Noodles. They're onto you now, and I'm onto you
like a license tag!
BTW....Pontiacs NEVER used Chevrolet THM350s. You were outed again as
a FRAUD in that Chrysler group!
White Trash 1994 Pontiac!
Funny how he "sold" that Bronco but feedback never appeared. That's
what happens when you shill bid your own auction.
DeserTBoB
<Rt309ra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Funny how he "sold" that Bronco but feedback never appeared. That's
>what happens when you shill bid your own auction. <snip>
Hmmmm...seems eBay didn't show due diligence in following up on that.
Perhaps a bigger hammer will get their attention....
The Paris Gun
obviously DeserTBob never owned a decent car with this classic
transmission in it, the best automatic ever made in history
http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/th350.htm
Engine Compatibility and Adaptability
GM
The front face TH350 is natively compatible with either the Chevrolet
90 degree "Small Block" & "Big Block" patterned engines,
including the V6, V8, I6 & Iron Duke I4. Another version, the Buick /
Oldsmobile / Pontiac (BOP) TH350 will be compatible with the Buick 90
degree V6 & V8 engines, and the Olds & Pontiac 90 degree V8. This
"BOP" version features a "valley" at the twelve o'clock
position of the block flange where the peak would be on the Chevy
(pictured) version.
The Paris Gun
DUMB-ASS DeserTBoB wrote:
> >
> > BTW....Pontiacs NEVER used Chevrolet THM350s. You were outed again as
> > a FRAUD in that Chrysler group!
I still have the owners' manual for my Firebird, it says TH350 right in
the manual
and explain this, you DUMB ASS
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/convtrans/gm/gmth350id.html
Bolt Pattern
The Turbo 350 case commonly comes with three different bolt patterns.
Some cases have a Chevy engine bolt pattern, some cases have the Buick,
Olds, Pontiac, and Caddy bolt pattern, and some have both. It is well
worth getting the dual pattern, or unicase, Turbo 350. If you ever
think you might do an engine swap, you won't have to worry about the
transmission. It will also help the resale of the transmission because
it will work with more engine combinations.
The Buick, Olds, Pontiac, and Caddy engine bolt pattern is easily
identified by the valley at the top and the Chevy pattern is peaked on
the top. The dual pattern transmission in the picture on the right has
both patterns. You can see the valley and peak. Each set of bolts
around the top is in a pair. The alignment pin and the lower bolt is
the same.
DeserTBoB
<dutyhono...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>WRONG- Pontiac, Buick, Olds, and Chevy all used the TH350 trans- from
>mid-1960's to 1980's <snip>
HAHAHAHAHA! The THM350 didn't even EXIST until 1969, because
Chevrolet Division was too cheap to pay for 400s.
>Engine Compatibility and Adaptability
>GM
>The front face TH350 is natively compatible with either the Chevrolet
>90 degree "Small Block" & "Big Block" patterned engines,
>including the V6, V8, I6 & Iron Duke I4. Another version, the Buick /
>Oldsmobile / Pontiac (BOP) TH350 will be compatible with the Buick 90
>degree V6 & V8 engines, and the Olds & Pontiac 90 degree V8. This
>"BOP" version features a "valley" at the twelve o'clock
>position of the block flange where the peak would be on the Chevy
>(pictured) version. <snip>
See, Noodles...you do what you accuse me of doing...getting all my
knowledge from the Net and shop manuals. Not only that, your
information here is faulty. Anyone who KNOWS anything about
transmissions knows that:
Chevrolet Division originally developed the THM350 to go behind their
small blocks to save costs over Detroit Transmission's THM 400.
Chevrolet didn't even OFFER anything with three speeds until 1968,
when falling sales demanded that they start offering THM400s behind
their "big blocks" in the Impala/Caprice line AS AN OPTION. The
standard was still PowerSlide in '68. The THM350 was offered in all
V8 powered cars in '69 while they cleaned out the rest of the
PowerSlides as standard equipment. 1970 Chevrolets all used their own
THM350, with the Chevy bolt patters and the 27 (I think?) tooth yoke
spline, same as the PowerSlide.
B-O-P didn't go along and had Detroit Transmission develop their
own...the THM375, which was essentially a scaled down 400 without the
350's cheapness. You didn't even have to get under the car to
identify a 375 from a 350...the 375 didn't have that overly late,
drawn out 1-2 part throttle shift the 350 had. The 350s had a
kickdown linkage, while the 400s held on to solenoid kickdown, as did
the 375. The 375 was installed in ALL B-O-P cars with displacements
up to 400 cu in until 1972. Buick had their own version with a
switch-pitch conveter, a Buick Division trademark since 1954. 455s had
the THM400, Buick's version with the switch-pitch conveter, a
desireable find today.
Under orders from Woodward Ave. to cut costs (and quality) further
during their "less car for more money" campaign of the early '70s,
B-O-P divisions were forced to abandon their own THM375 and use
Chevrolet's THM350 with a different bolt pattern/bell housing until GM
could start eliminating the other divisions' engines in yet another
cheapening and economy move. This was the THM375B, which caused a lot
of trans shops a LOT of dyspepsia, since a THM375 kit would NOT
service a THM375B, and the case lengths were different (shorter) and
they used linkage kickdown. The 375B also had extra clutch disks and
plates in the clutch packs to try to handle (not all that well, mind
you) the extra torque of 400" engines. B-O-P 455s also got this
shitbox in '72, while Chevrolet and GM Truck and Coach pickups still
used the THM400. I remember working on a '72 Pontiac Catalina and
spying the new "375B." The test drive after the tune-up confirmed the
late 1-2 shift of a 350. A neighbor's '70 Catalina 400 had the
THM400. GM had started its long drive to where it is now...the bottom
of the barrel.
Later, starting in '75, GM would dictate that Chevrolet engines AND
transmissions (the THM350) would be used in ALL V8-equipped cars
interchangably to give them yet another cost savings (and quality
decrease). This plan was hindered by years due to the famous
"Chevy-in-an-Olds" lawsuit against GM by a disgruntled customer who'd
bought an Olds Omega, got it home, and found a Chevy 350 under the
hood and the THM 350. GM was ordered to replace the car at no cost to
the buyer, and many Olds Omegas were similarly turned in for Olds 350s
with THM375Bs. Thus, GM tried to pull a fast one, got caught, and it
would up wiping out any cost savings. This didn't stop them, and by
1980, almost all Olds Cutlasses and Buick Regals had Chevy powertrains
as their base offering. If one wanted a "real Olds" or "real Buick,"
he'd have to pay more for a larger displacement engine.
I remember this well, because while I was at the local Olds/Cad
dealership getting parts, I'd stopped by the lot to check out the new
Olds Omega, essentially a rebadged Chevy Nova, but supposedly with
Olds "niceties." It was bizzare! I opened the hood on one, there was
a Chevy 350. Open another, there was an Olds 4 bbl 350! Different
transmissions, too! The salesman was VERY upset that I was looking at
this, but I told him to piss off. There was 12 Omegas on the lot that
day...eight with Chevrolet powertrains, and only four with Oldses,
most being the 4 bbl option. A discussion with my attorney father
confirmed that this was fraud, and they'd probably get caught. I read
about the lawsuit about six months later in the LA Times. GM would,
nonetheless, go one cheapening and chintzing in the late '70s, when
they started putting Chevette transmissions (THM200) in full- and
intermediate-sized products, which instigated another nationwide
lawsuit in the '80s.
GM...the worst there is!
Go ahead, Noodles...try to refute these facts.
DeserTBoB
<dutyhono...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>obviously DeserTBob never owned a decent car with this classic
>transmission in it, the best automatic ever made in history <snip>
"Classic" piece of shit. See my previous post and eat gravel, idiot.
>
>http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/th350.htm <snip>
This site is WRONG.
DeserTBoB
<dutyhono...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I still have the owners' manual for my Firebird, it says TH350 right in
>the manual <snip>
In 1970?? I do not believe you at all, unless is was yet another
marketing fraud by GM to try to make the 350 and 375 seem like the
same box. The truth is that the 350 cost about $75 less a unit to
build than the 375, and the 375 was a better transmission..
>and explain this, you DUMB ASS
>
>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/convtrans/gm/gmth350id.html <snip>
Another bunch of idiots with misinformation.
>Bolt Pattern
> The Turbo 350 case commonly comes with three different bolt patterns.
>Some cases have a Chevy engine bolt pattern, some cases have the Buick,
>Olds, Pontiac, and Caddy bolt pattern, and some have both. It is well
>worth getting the dual pattern, or unicase, Turbo 350. If you ever
>think you might do an engine swap, you won't have to worry about the
>transmission. It will also help the resale of the transmission because
>it will work with more engine combinations. <snip>
WRONG! The B-O-P pattern until '72 was the THM375, built by Detroit
Transmission Division. The Chevy pattern was the THM350.
>
>The Buick, Olds, Pontiac, and Caddy engine bolt pattern is easily
>identified by the valley at the top and the Chevy pattern is peaked on
>the top. The dual pattern transmission in the picture on the right has
>both patterns. You can see the valley and peak. Each set of bolts
>around the top is in a pair. The alignment pin and the lower bolt is
>the same. <snip>
Cadillac NEVER used a THM375 OR THE350 until late in the '70s, when
they were forced to do so by corporate dictum. THe first year
Cadillac used the THM350 was 1978, another year of extreme cheapening
for GM. By 1980, Cadillac was forced to used a gussied-up Chevette
transmission, the THM200, which instigated a rash of fraud lawsuits,
which buyers won. Cadillac used THM400s exclusively from 1965 to
1977. In 1964, first years of the THM400, half the production had the
Dual Coupling Hydra Matic (4 speed) and the later half had the 400s.
'64 Cads with Dual Coupling HMs. are worth more than the 400s...wonder
why?
DeserTBoB
The Paris Gun
just like the Chrysler manual was wrong, right Boob ?
Pontiac, Buick, and Olds used the TH350 on all their base-line GM
A-bodies, that means Cutlass-Skylark-F85-Tempest-LeMans-from 1968 all
the way to 1980
also in all base-line Camaros and Firebirds 1968 to 1981
where the HELL have you been ?
The TH350 in my car is ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT
this scan directly from Chiltons 1964-71 repair manual
http://i9.tinypic.com/2z7eefa.jpg
you are one stupid, dumb-ass liberal idiot
obviously you never owned or worked on a GM V-8 powered car at ALL, it
was their most common automatic of the 1970's
you DICK !
DeserTBoB
<dutyhono...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>obviously you never owned or worked on a GM V-8 powered car at ALL, it
>was their most common automatic of the 1970's <snip>
Oh yeah, I have. You just get your "knowledge" from hairball Internet
sites. You don't know a 375 from a 375B from a 350....idiot.
The Paris Gun
you DUMB ASS !!
The Paris Gun
The Paris Gun wrote:
> TOO FUNNY, you're foot's in your mouth, again !
>
> you DUMB ASS !!
a TH375 is a TH400 with a TH350 output shaft size
the TH400 had a large output shaft and large driveshaft yoke
the TH375 used a small output shaft and small driveshaft yoke
then again, you could never afford the gas for anything that ran those
transmissions, so you wouldn't know...
(laughter...)
ps- hope your neighborhood is still burning well...BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!
DeserTBoB
<dutyhono...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>a TH375 is a TH400 with a TH350 output shaft size <snip>
Not quite. There were other internal cheapenings and changes in the
case, the clutch packs, the valve bodies...everything. One doesn't
fit the other.
>the TH400 had a large output shaft and large driveshaft yoke <snip>
So?
>the TH375 used a small output shaft and small driveshaft yoke <snip>
Chevy sized, 27 tooth spline, but there were FAR more changes than
that.
>then again, you could never afford the gas for anything that ran those
>transmissions, so you wouldn't know... <snip>
I actually WORKED on some of these transmissions. You, being a 'tard,
are too stupid to do automatic transmission work.