IVySpec: IVy 42 - Terry Scott becoming editor
Antony Phillips
to a.c.t.
Dear You,
IVy number 42 is out and probably now received in all corners of the
globe by paid up subscribers. IVy (Internaional Viewpoints) is a paper
magazine sent out five times a year to paid up subscribers.
Read a lot about it in our home page: http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/.
There are also robopostings of articles in the early numbers of IVy,
posted to act with the subject beginning iv- (example iv-04-04, that
particlular one, posted to act yesterday was an article by Terry Scott)
IVy 42 magazine contained an article: Sly and Tall Edgy Lurks by Brian
Ambry, USA, which was possibly a little out of character with our usual
run of things (where we tend to emphasis positive things, believing that
what we put peoples attention on, they would to some extent get - what you
put your attention on you get principle). This
article detailed some of the less positive writings of LRH. I am
curious to know how IVy readers felt about the article. One person
staying with me said he found it depressing just before going to sleep.
Perhaps I should mention that one of my motives for publishing the
article was that I felt it was data that some IVy readers were not aware
of, and knowledge and confrontation of this data was a necessity if one
was to be an open and free "free from the Church (ex-) Scientologist".
(Concentrating on the negative, and "fighting the church" do not seem
to me very constructive, but that is just a personal view, not shared
by a number of people).
I got the following feedbacks on Brians article already:
"Talking of LRH I was a bit surprised at Brian Ambry's very strong
attack upon him and the C of S in IVy 42. Do you read the articles that
you print because this is the most vicious attack on LRH that I have
ever read. I am sure that what he says is perfectly true and I wonder if
you ever had really read it as I thought that you were rather pro LRH
and I have never read anything quite as vicious as this."
I had rejected another article because it was long, I found it difficult
to read, and it did not fit the style usually associated with IVy. The
author of that article wrote to me stating his disappointment at
rejection of the article: "However, my disappointment decreased when I
studied the article of Brian Ambry instead. Some people would say that
we both made use of the famous pool of ideas which was described by
Jung, Hubbard and Sheldrake. I feel thankfulness towards Mr Ambry. While
I have tried to disclose the religious/philosophical aspects in short
form, he has a rather psychological approach. The statement in both
cases is the same: There is a "white" and a "black" side in the
Scientology movement, which strictly spoken is a tremendous expansion of
L.Ron Hubbard bipolar mind. To recognize the white and the black side of
LRH and the self-reliant Scientology movement (and of one's self too)
is a great challenge. The recognition and acceptance of this reality
unfortunately is a hard but necessary step for those who want to
develop themselves in a religious sense."
Incidentally, other people put labels on one, and that one has to
accept. I have not regarded myself as pro-LRH, though I have and do
regard myself as a Scientologist (much to the disappointment of some who
have been ravaged, or seen others ravaged, by the _Church_ of
Scientology). What I am "pro" is positive aspects and data in
Scientology - and I feel it important that the negative is highlighted
so people can avoid it, and benefit from the positive.
So as for being "pro-LRH" I have learned that no man is perfect, take the
good and reject the bad, and one of the good things (opinion) is the matter
of granting of beingness.
*******************************'''
IVy Editor
I have been editing IVy since its start in 1991, and have recently felt
the need to stop the actual "dog work" of editing. Consequently IVy 43
will be the last IVy I personally edit, and from IVy 44 Terry Scott,
resident in England, will be the editor. Terry was here in Denmark to
look the job over. He has some invigorating ideas, but generally the
magazine will continue on the same lines. I continue doing the rest of
what I do, a good deal connected with IVy, its distribution, its lists
and its Home page (in all of which areas there are others doing good and
much appreciated jobs helping).
Here is something about Terry:
*****
Terry E. Scott, the Editor-Designate of International Viewpoints (IVy)
magazine, has a lot of track in Scn and in journalism.
He was born in London in 1939, and has been married since 1964. In
February 1956, he saw an advert for Scn in _Astounding Science Fiction_
and immediately rang the HASI in London and spoke with Ann Walker
(Dennis H. Stephens's wife).
She gave Terry a free copy of _Evolution of a Science, he went into a
group auditing session -- and by the end of the year had done his first
course (run by Herbie Parkhouse) and was on daytime staff (in a minor
post). From the first, he had very good gains from processes such as
Objectives and creative processing. And Dennis was his personal auditor
at one time.
On the journalism side, things began tentatively in '56 when he would
ring national newspapers with story tips. By 1958, Terry was working
full time on manuscript revision in an agency. In 1963, he became very
interested in photography and began freelancing in that field. In 1967,
he joined HASI London Foundation and did some of the photography for
_Horizon_ magazine, as well as doing letter reg'ing.
1968, Terry joined Publications Organization World Wide at Saint Hill,
and worked as a photographer in what had been Ron's darkroom. He was
selected by Judy Ziff to join _The Auditor_ magazine, but was promoted
to Treasury Sec as that post was created when Pubs was made independent
of HCO World Wide. Not long after, in Edinburgh, he was made
Organization Secretary.
He left Pubs, and became a full time journalist in 1974, and since then
has alternately run his own business as a journalist/photographer and
held senior editorial posts. To date, he has had around 2 million words
published in 49 magazines (plus a book and an encyclopedia). He enjoys
travel immensely, and his work has taken him to several European
countries, the Middle East, and the USA.
Terry became an Independent in 1983. He wrote for The Danish
"FriScientology" magazine _Uafhængige Synspunkter_ and has frequently
appeared in _International Viewpoints_ . Terry created the UK
conferences, and ran the first seven of them (and is credited by the
current organizers as being "Founder of Conferences", a title he
appreciates).
As to _IVy_ magazine, Terry aims to continue Antony's good work, but
naturally will bring to the magazine his own experience in design and
editing. He feels the sky is indeed the limit as far as its circulation
and development might go, and looks to the Internet in particular as a
means of expanding IVy's reach and further development.
Terry welcomes good ARC from present and potential readers and
contributors. He can be reached in care of the current IVy address and
e-mail address, but should soon have fresh addresses of his own specific
to IVy magazine.
***********
That's it for this special letter going out to both ivy-subscribers and
ivy-special. IVy-subscribers is a lively and informative chat and article
list in which about 80 fully paid subscribers to IVy magazine participate
(about twenty or so originating). IVy-special is a free one way list that
any one can join. It gives out occasional data on IVy, such as this message.
Hi, Ant
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Box 78
DK - 2800 Lyngby
Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy). See Home Page:
Home Page: http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ - with extensive links to FZ!
**
Ryan Q.Lee
You publish any crap sent to you without examining content.
You are so desperate for articles that you'll copy/paste any old rubbish
from a newsgroup. And you don't even work with the original writer to
improve or edit the content.
Your magazine is a waste of money.
Give it up. That's my professional opinion.
Arc, Ryan
----Original Message Follows----
From: Antony Phillips <i...@post8.tele.dk> (by way of Antony Phillips
<i...@post8.tele.dk>)
Reply-To: i...@post8.tele.dk
To: Multiple recipients of list <cle...@lightlink.com>
Subject: IVySpec: IVy 42 - Terry Scott becoming editor
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 04:42:31 -0400 (EDT)
Dear You,
*******************************'''
IVy Editor
*****
Hi, Ant
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Heidrun Beer
<1999060509054...@hotmail.com>:
>Anthony.
>
>You publish any crap sent to you without examining content.
>
>You are so desperate for articles that you'll copy/paste any old rubbish
>from a newsgroup. And you don't even work with the original writer to
>improve or edit the content.
>
>Your magazine is a waste of money.
>
>Give it up. That's my professional opinion.
Ryan: I think you should provide us with evidence for each of the
claims you make here, including the claim that your opinion is
a professional one.
Ant: Please don't take it personally. It's just an opinion, and I am
sure that it is not shared by many other people.
Heidrun Beer
Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
http://www.sgmt.at
Paul Smith
wrote:
>Sent both to ivy-subscribers and ivy-special lists and, slightly modified,
>to a.c.t.
>
Hi Ant!
42 issues! What a peice of work you have created!
I just stacked them here on the desk and there are
little yellow markers sticking out of every copy,
articles that must be reread and references that must
be saved. Your list of contributors is a whose who of
the Free Zone, If all of the 'Zone said thank you at
once it would only be the smallest bit of gratitude
that we all would express.
You have done a huge service for mankind in providing
a forum that is the guidon for free people to follow
in the world of Spiritual development.
Thank you for putting IVy there.
Love,
Paul.
Michael Hunsaker
I am sad to see you go but am sure Terry will do a bang up job. However
he needs a nifty nickname like 'Ant'. Maybe 'Termite'?
I agree with the response about having all the back issues with Post-its
marking all the good stuff. Ant you have performed a miracle with this
mag and put out some of the best tech and thoughts on it around.
As to another response in this thread - ignore it. It is just BPC on
pscott. My evaluation for the day.
Mike
Christine
Gosh Ant! You must be doing a wonderful job to get this kind of an attack
from a newbie and/or plant!
But this is quite enlightening. I had *no* idea I was the only one whose
articles you edited, and sent back for approval and markups. That must be
why you always grump at me when I rewrite a section and give it to you.
You old Danish dog you! I didn't know I was sooooo special!
Here's an idea for an IVy supplement: Get Tommy to write an article on
suppressive communications and make nothing of's and Byron Quigley (ha!)
can provide examples.
Defenses aside, you've done a great job with IVy and published what you
believe in and done it with love in your heart and integrity. I want to
acknowledge that. Don't let the little shit who shows up to focus all the
attention on his own [mocked up] case and cheap philosophizing get to you.
Oh Byron: PLONK.
At 05:07 AM 6/5/99 -0400, Byron wrote:
>Anthony.
>
>You publish any crap sent to you without examining content.
>
>You are so desperate for articles that you'll copy/paste any old rubbish
>from a newsgroup. And you don't even work with the original writer to
>improve or edit the content.
>
>Your magazine is a waste of money.
>
>Give it up. That's my professional opinion.
>
>Arc, Ryan
>
anon...@electra.lightlink.com
05:07:43 -0400, "Ryan Q.Lee" <ryan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<1999060509054...@hotmail.com>:
Dear BRYAN QUIGLY:
How is it that an O$A idiot-stooge who specializes in FORGED CANCELLATIONS
has the shamelessness to post criticism of ANYONE else?
NO CLASS?
NO SHAME?
NO CONSCIENCE?
NO BRAINS?
ALL OF THE ABOVE?
>Anthony.
>
>You publish any crap sent to you without examining content.
Bryan, YOU publish any stupid thought your BT's put in your mind, without
even reading it.
>You are so desperate for articles that you'll copy/paste any old rubbish
>from a newsgroup. And you don't even work with the original writer to
>improve or edit the content.
Bryan, you are so desperate to get your NUMBER OF POSTS stat up, you don't
even copy and paste, you just crank out stupid question after stupid
question, to get others to waste their time by responding to you.
>Your magazine is a waste of money.
Gee, Ryan, have you ever read it?
Your thoughts are a waste of time . . .
and you know what they say . . .
>Give it up.
Idiots never take their own advice, do they?
>That's my professional opinion.
I guess you are PROUD that you get PAID by O$A to pump out the mindless
SPEW that YOU specialize in. You are proof positive that $cientology Works
. . . overtime at stupidity!
>Arc, Ryan
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Antony Phillips
emmediately looked for your address on the IVy lists, could not find it,
then saw the .at suffix, and realised you must be getting the copies sent
to Heidrun.
So really you should be on ivy-subscribers or IVy-selections if you want to
be (selections is selected despatches once a week). Let me know which. I
reckon that partners of people who pay for IVy can come seperately on an
IVy list. We get the lists donated to us free, and it would be silly to
demand buying two copies of IVy just for two closely connected people to
come on a list which costs IVy nothing (though of course we could use the
money :-) who couldnt :-)
Admire your meticulousness. But I am all too aware that we have not covered
_everything_, even _everything_ important. But part of the aim was to help
lone scientologists keep both their spirits and their progress up, and I
think we have achieved that with some - but there are many more who have
not heard of us. Hope we Terry working away at editing, I can help get more
to know about it
All best wisehs,
Ant
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Ant Antony A Phillips
i...@post8.tele.dk
tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
Box 78
DK - 2800 Lyngby
Publisher, International Viewpoints (= IVy). See Home Page:
http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/
Administrator: trom-l, selfclearing-l, superscio-l, IVy lists
Antony Phillips
>Dear Antony,
>Thank you for publishing my series of articles on Nordenholz,
>a 20th century philosopher. The series appeared first in IVy.
>Best wishes,
>C.B. Willis
I think that is the wrong flow :-)
I was very glad C.B Willis wrote the articles and let us publish. The
Nordenholz aspect of Scientology is quite an interesting one and I
felt C.B Willis' articles very valuable. The curious will find a link
to them on IVy's Home page.
Ant
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Ant Antony A Phillips
i...@post8.tele.dk
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Box 78
DK - 2800 Lyngby
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Antony Phillips
>Gosh Ant! You must be doing a wonderful job to get this kind of an attack
>from a newbie and/or plant!
>But this is quite enlightening. I had *no* idea I was the only one whose
>articles you edited, and sent back for approval and markups. That must be
>why you always grump at me when I rewrite a section and give it to you.
>You old Danish dog you! I didn't know I was sooooo special!
Oh dear Christine. I am sorry to prick your self esteem. I do it to
_all_ authors. (no, naughty boy, I did not do it with John Macmaster
as I did not have his address) I nearly fell off the chair laughing
when I learned that I am "so desperate for articles that you'll
copy/paste any old rubbish from a newsgroup. And you don't even work
with the original writer to improve or edit the content."
As a seeker after the truth I can see I need to pay more attention to
what goes on on a.c.t.
snipped
>Defenses aside, you've done a great job with IVy and published what you
>believe in and done it with love in your heart and integrity. I want to
>acknowledge that.
Much appreciated. Thank you
Incidentally, despite it being in writing, and being on a.c.t, Ryan
did get one little thing wrong, My name is spelt without an 'h'. I
feel so hurt ;-)
Hi, Ant (=Antony)
Ryan Q.Lee
>It is just BPC on pscott.
Not bypassed-charge. Lightning bolts! Fury.
Anyone promoting a PScott viewpoint on this discussion group or in a
publication is promoting anti-clearing activity.
The new editor needs to be aware that publishing articles provides
credentials to the author of an article. The "author" thus becomes an
authority. PScott as an authority in clearing?
Do a little research and see that his so-called "drills" are confusion
techniques used in hypnosis mixed in with LRH training routines. This sham
is used to give him credibility. He will _not_ discuss tech. He can't. Not
even his own "drills." Try him.
No wonder outsiders think we're mostly nuts here; allowing the likes of Koos
Trenite, Phil Scott, and Konchok Penday, to spray their psychosis around. As
if we don't have enough case dramatization ourselves. (Including me.)
How about taking responsibility on the group dynamic?
Acts of omission.
Arc, Ryan
----Original Message Follows----
From: Michael Hunsaker <mi...@fza.org>
Reply-To: mi...@fza.org
To: Multiple recipients of list <cle...@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: IVySpec: IVy 42 - Terry Scott becoming editor
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:22:32 -0400 (EDT)
Ant,
Mike
Ryan Q.Lee
>As a seeker after the truth I can see I need to pay more attention to what
>goes on on a.c.t.
It's easy to do background research on a.c.t posters.
Search www.deja.com.
Arc, Ryan
----Original Message Follows----
From: i...@post8.tele.dk (Antony Phillips)
Reply-To: i...@post8.tele.dk
To: Multiple recipients of list <cle...@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: IVySpec: IVy 42 - Terry Scott becoming editor
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:02:32 -0400 (EDT)
Christine <xi...@altavista.net> wrote:
Much appreciated. Thank you
Hi, Ant (=Antony)
_______________________________________________________________
Antony Phillips
caused me to think a bit.
In 1954 I came "under the influence" of Scientology. I had major
breakthroughs in understanding life, first in teaching the Personal
Efficiency Course in Dublin in 1957, and then instructing the Upper indoc
part of the HPA/HCA course (the profesional auditors course of that time at
weekends in 1958 (Upper indoc consisted of Trs 7 to 9). Though my father
had given me lots of useful data on Scientific subjects, I received nothing
useful on religious or philosophical subjects in childhood, and at the age
of about 20 fell into the Christian (actually Methodist) Church as
something to fill the gap as to what life was about. What I got in my early
Scientology was _far_ more useful for everyday life.
I was very badly out of communication (reckon I was minus 800 on the then
existing OCA/APA test, which only went to -100 on communication) and
apathetic. I got no sudden case change, but improved under auditing in an
almost imperceptible way. I was sold on Scientology which gave me stable
data on life which I lacked (the Personal Efficiency material was simple
stuff, which you find in Hubbards books Problems of Work, and Fundamentals
of Thought - ARC, Tone Scale, Communication cycle Cycle of Action, control
- you try teaching those under the "teaching by agreement" method we used
them, to strangers to Scientology, week after week for six months, and see
if you don't get more reality on them :-) )
In the state of about -500 on communication I tried to run a "Scientology
practice". And became a Franchise holder.
As Franchise holder one paid 10% of ones Scientology income (mine was
usually nil) to HCO at East Grinstead and received a weekly mailing from
Ron (and the promise of help). You can be sure, lonely out there in the
field, I was very glad for those weekly mailings from Ron.
In 1954 (August it was) I went on Staff at that HCO East Grinstead, known
as Saint Hill. I shortly became Franchise Secretary, first part time, then
full time.
I was at the other end of the comm line, knowing how vital those mailings
were to people (some of them a lot more successful than I had been, some
producing as little Franchise income as I had). I made sure those people
got their weekly mailings, sometimes sending Ron reminders to write some
thing, sometimes suggesting to him (on written comm lines of course, I
never spoke to him on the subject, and was too shy to be around in the
evening when he spoke to the staff, which at the beginning was only about
10 Scientologists) items to send to Franchise Holders.
Perhaps even at that time my power of judgement was not the best, for I
remember at a time when he had not written something, that week for
Franchise I suggested to him that the Policy Letter "Keeping Scientology
Working" that most who have been on Scientology courses are familiar with,
be also sent out to Franchise Holders (that explains why, in the
distribution list, top hand left of the first page, it ends "Franchise
(issued May 1965" - I got that put in, as I was a bit pedantic about
distribution lists).
Time went on. Ron managed to get me off the Franchise post despite my
protest, I went on part of the Briefing course, was an early Power release
(under Ron's C/S, and overrun by four auditors). Then I did a number of
posts disgracefully on the fastly expanding Saint Hill. In some disgrace I
was put into a thoroughly untidy mimeo (duplicating section). At this time
there were no tech or Policy Volumes. Just duplicated (mimeoed) issues
turned out by me or similar posts in what we called "the outer orgs". The
Briefing Course at Saint Hill lacked a large amount of materials (and you
could only borrow those they had). Because of this, The LRH Communicator,
Ken Delderfield put mimeo (in Dissem Division) and Tech Srvices (in Tech
Division) into Danger, Mimeo got tidied up (the stencils, which should have
been filed in date order, and there were about 7,000 of them, had not been
refiled after use for many months). With Kens help, order was put into
chaos, and, as far as I remember all the "missing" stencils were found. Up
to that point people had been passing the Briefing course with many items
on the check sheets marked "not available").
Mimeo grew from me alone to six people, among them Kens wife, Rosemary
Delderfield, who later did Trojan work with Ken in getting the Tech and
Policy volumes to press.
Pubs Org was formed. Pubs Org moved to Edinburgh (a trauma for me, and
perhaps others). Pubs Org was moved to Denmark (a trauma for me and perhaps
others). Sea org influence made itself felt. My second two and a half year
contract ended. I had got as far as OT IV (I thought, I was actually "on"
OT III from 1968 to 1979 when NOTS came out). I had been allowed OT IV on
credit as one service allowed on credit from my staff contract, so the only
way to go further was to take a Sea Org contract, or earn money the honest
way :-)
At that point (1969/70)some one (in the Sea org of course) said to me "You
have been in service orgs (I worked in London Org as well as the centre in
Dublin),and Pubs Org, the only thing left for you is the Sea Org". Having
felt Sea Org chaos (we slept for a time on Pubs Org shelves in Copenhagen)
I was very heavily in disagreement so I stayed in Denmark, and got a job
printing (small office printing, which I had learned and introduced into
Saint Hill).
I still kept a contact with official Scientology. There was a pile of
emeters for repair in Pubs Org and no one to repair them (with mine last in
the pile. So I took on the job of emeter repair (not my strong point) and
actually organised three people, including Don Maier, who were good at it
to repair meters in their spare time (Don, doing electronic work for the
American forces, toured Germany doing this).
There were (and are) two service orgs in Copenhagn (known as DK Org and
Copenhagen Org). Ron introduced and pushed The Auditors Association at that
time (for field auditors). I managed to persuade the two orgs that there
was only one field in Copenhagen, and only one Auditors Association was
needed. I became Registrar (I think the title was) and Scot Leland became
Secretary. It was a very good idea, but our effort was killed by:
Policy said it should occur on Org premises,
The orgs considered us (or appeared to) solely as a source for getting money
a Senior person went on the Flag Executive Briefing course, and came back
with all the status that implies, and gave the Auditors association a nice
talk, saying that we should make ourselves into a seven division org and
have a department of Inspections and Reports which went around looking at
Field Auditors case folders and sending the Auditors in for cramming (Why
do I go into that - its irrelevant - maybe I still have charge on it).
In 1983 (march) I was shown out of the church (after being on the Deck
Project Force) being told I was suppressive. Painfull.
On June 15th 1983 the Dane Tops letter came through my door, and "Fri
Scientology" in Denmark was started, first with five or six others still in
the church who met weekly in my flat. We all had international comm lines,
and shared the exciting but recopied many times, papers that were flying
around then. The European Information centre was formed, sending out this
badly duplicated material. The Danish Magazine Uafhængigig Synspuynkter was
formed, and I somehow became the editor. And in 1991, IVy.
I have gone deeper than I originally intended. But my object has been to
show that deepest in, I appear to have been implanted with a goal in the
direction of helping people with communication, often printed, and the fact
that Terry Scott is relieving me of the editor job of IVy does not mean I
have withdrawn from that area.
Hi,
Ant
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i...@post8.tele.dk
tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
Box 78
DK - 2800 Lyngby
Publisher, International Viewpoints (= IVy). See Home Page:
du...@net-prophet.net
42 - Terry Scott becoming editor", on 5 Jun 1999 16:49:58 -0400,
<1999060520443...@hotmail.com>:
Actually BRYAN QUIGLY wrote:
>Mike wrote:
>>It is just BPC on pscott.
>
>Not bypassed-charge. Lightning bolts! Fury.
LOTS of OVERTS and MISSED WITHHOLDS THERE!
>Anyone promoting a PScott viewpoint on this discussion group or in a
>publication is promoting anti-clearing activity.
And how are you entitled to ANY opinion on this? You aren't clear. You
are a know-nothing who is a well-known liar and usenet criminal. Phil
Scott knows a thousand times more about clearing than you do. Your
"consciousness" is a bad joke.
>The new editor needs to be aware that publishing articles provides
>credentials to the author of an article. The "author" thus becomes an
>authority. PScott as an authority in clearing?
Oh YES. He's DONE IT! Unlike you, who just THINKS he knows something
about it because he read some propaganda somewhere.
>Do a little research and see that his so-called "drills" are confusion
>techniques used in hypnosis mixed in with LRH training routines. This sham
>is used to give him credibility. He will _not_ discuss tech. He can't. Not
>even his own "drills." Try him.
Do a little research and see that BRYAN QUIGLY is a liar, O$A stooge, and
usenet criminal!
>No wonder outsiders think we're mostly nuts here; allowing the likes of Koos
>Trenite, Phil Scott, and Konchok Penday, to spray their psychosis around. As
>if we don't have enough case dramatization ourselves. (Including me.)
Even Koos is saner than you.
He hallucinates like mad, but he's up above CRIMINALITY, where you hang out.
But anyway, WE EVEN LET YOU POST!
Be thankful some mad dog cult stooge isn't arranging and arkancide for you.
>How about taking responsibility on the group dynamic?
BY FORGING SOME CANCELS? LIKE YOU!
Tell us about "RESPONSIBILITY" Bryan.
You know as much about that as you do about clearing.
>Acts of omission.
Like FAILING to forge cancels?
He's BAD. He isn't even TRYING to make it go right!
>Arc, Ryan
Get a clue, idiot!
Anyone who would be fooled by your pathetic pretense isn't worth influencing.
Konchok Penday
Technical Writer, GODS CHURCH
<konchok...@net-prophet.net>
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Paul Smith
>My earlier message under that title, sent to IVy lists and a.c.t. has
>caused me to think a bit.
My sword of deletion slashed away your storey and left
in this anecdote (ANTecdote?).
Ron introduced and pushed The Auditors Association at that
>time (for field auditors). I managed to persuade the two orgs that there
>was only one field in Copenhagen, and only one Auditors Association was
>needed. I became Registrar (I think the title was) and Scot Leland became
>Secretary. It was a very good idea, but our effort was killed by:
>Policy said it should occur on Org premises,
>The orgs considered us (or appeared to) solely as a source for getting money
>a Senior person went on the Flag Executive Briefing course, and came back
>with all the status that implies, and gave the Auditors association a nice
>talk, saying that we should make ourselves into a seven division org and
>have a department of Inspections and Reports which went around looking at
>Field Auditors case folders and sending the Auditors in for cramming (Why
>do I go into that - its irrelevant - maybe I still have charge on it).
Ant, I am roaring with laughter!
In the early seventies, as a public I was "Volenteered"
to form the Auditors Association in Vancouver,B.C.
With 7 Student/Auditors to work with I found out they
all wanted to co-audit. Great lets do it! Then pow! I
got comm-eved for crashing the Orgs professional auditing
hours! End of Auditors Association.
Two weeks later St. Hill sent the message: Get the
Auditors Association IN,IN,IN. So the new E.D. asked
me to form up the Association again. Yep! Two weeks
later I am back in a comm-eve for crashing the org
auditing stats again.
But boy! Were the students flying!
22.5 total hours spread between seven students and the
Academy went into power!
Later the C/S kidded me in the hallway about
forming up a third version of A.A. but I said
NO WAY !
Ant, I loved your stories,thanks!
Love,
Paul.