The OMG case
Inside...@yahoo.com
"Occasionally you will have to deal with a person that falls into the
OMG case category. OMG comes from the Trainers’ expression, "Oh, my
God!" But this is a misleading association, because the case is far
from God. They are the insane, antisocial, evil-intentioned case. They
attempt to dominate and overwhelm others by keeping them upset and
doubtful. They empower other people’s secondaries by making them
serious and dis-empower other people’s primaries by poking fun at
them. The reason they act this way is because they fear the truth.
That’s a bold statement, but hundreds of hours of investigation into
OMG cases found that the basic motivation in every single case was to
dodge some truth. Typical OMG behaviors are psychosis, blame,
intentionally causing upsets, obsessively making others wrong,
sabotage of projects, bad directions, bad news, bad advice,
misdirected criticism, invalidation of successful people, and
interference with effective actions. Their general reasoning seems to
be, 'If others don’t look quite so good, then I don’t look quite so
bad.'
If you must handle an OMG case, use only debug or ReSurfacing
processes that increase attention control, willingness to experience,
and responsibility."
...from EPC Briefing
Alrik Hamer
Let's just take a deep breath and calm down, shall we?
Let's just stop pretending we are LRH for a brief moment and see how
that feels.....
Because the truth is you are not LRH. Could you deal with that truth?
Eldon
ROFL, Alrick! That's the funniest thing I've read all week. Of course,
as a fellow suppressive, I appreciate snide sarcasm a lot ;-)
It really does sound a lot like LRH, especially the "hundreds of hours
of research...." line. He always blithely said his claims and decrees
were the result of major research.
Inside...@yahoo.com
Hint for you. LRH wasn't LRH either. Which might imply that Alrick
isn't really Alrick. OMG!
On the other fin, I'm pretty sure Eldon is Eldon. Solid and bitter all
the way through. No tootsie roll center there.
Hey, you see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYbFQFXG0U
Eldon
> Alrick...ouch, ouch, ouch.
>
> Hint for you. LRH wasn't LRH either. Which might imply that Alrick
> isn't really Alrick. OMG!
Well thank God. LRH was a nutcase, and Hari is close behind as his
wannabe clone.
>
> On the other fin, I'm pretty sure Eldon is Eldon. Solid and bitter all
> the way through. No tootsie roll center there.
>
> Hey, you see this?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYbFQFXG0U
How about the Siegfried and Roy mauling incident? That might be more
relevant.
Inside...@yahoo.com
> On Aug 6, 2:24 pm, InsideAva...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Alrick...ouch, ouch, ouch.
>
> > Hint for you. LRH wasn't LRH either. Which might imply that Alrick
> > isn't really Alrick. OMG!
>
> Well thank God. LRH was a nutcase, and Hari is close behind as his
> wannabe clone.
>
It's not what you don't know that keeps f*king you over. It's what you
think you know but don't that drives in the blade.
Eldon
Projecting as usual, I see.
Inside...@yahoo.com
It's not wise to argue with a fool. Someone might mistake you for the
fool.
Eldon
There you go, trying to sound like LRH again.
Inside...@yahoo.com
> > fool.
>
> There you go, trying to sound like LRH again.
Sorry to offend you by sounding like people you don't like.
Maybe this can help me. http://www.avataroverdrive.com/avatar_journal/vol8_3/exercise.htm
HAPPYsamuri
> "Occasionally you will have to deal with a person that falls into the
> OMG case category.
and here comes the criteria for what makes hari go OMG
OMG comes from the Trainers’ expression, "Oh, my
> God!" But this is a misleading association, because the case is far
> from God.
>They are the insane, antisocial, evil-intentioned case.
each one individually or all three together?
i'll assume all three
EVIL
this assumes a ethical suggestion at some level of ethical development
in the existence of EVIL
or right and wrong...
They
> attempt to dominate and overwhelm others by keeping them upset and
> doubtful. They empower other people’s secondaries by making them
> serious and dis-empower other people’s primaries by poking fun at
> them. The reason they act this way is because they fear the truth.
> That’s a bold statement, but hundreds of hours of investigation into
> OMG cases found that the basic motivation in every single case was to
> dodge some truth.
hundreds of hours of investigation by who?
where do we see this data in raw form?
can we discus data bias?
Typical OMG behaviors are psychosis, blame,
> intentionally causing upsets, obsessively making others wrong,
making others wrong?
isn't labelling someone as EVIL the same as "making others wrong"
hasn't the person who wrote this made someone WRONG by labelling them
EVIL ?
> sabotage of projects, bad directions, bad news, bad advice,
> misdirected criticism, invalidation of successful people,
invalidation of successful people,
what does that mean - what about invalidating a morally corrupt person
if they are financially successful?
what are the criteria for assessing this person then?
Hitler was a very sucesful man
is a person who points out Hitlers lack somehow critisizing his
success in other areas?
and
> interference with effective actions. Their general reasoning seems to
> be, 'If others don’t look quite so good, then I don’t look quite so
> bad.'
>
yes this happens in the world - havn't we all watched those US high
school movies where the "popular" kids put down the nerds
so it makes them feel superior
this is basic "childs play"
but not only do we live in that world - we also live in the world
where financially successful people can hide corrupt immoral behavior
or do avatar masters never come in contact with grown up scenarios ?
> If you must handle an OMG case, use only debug or ReSurfacing
> processes that increase attention control, willingness to experience,
> and responsibility."
>
> ...from EPC Briefing
how do you handle a grown up who see's that avatar seems to only
handle "high school" level social scenarios
do you judge them as EVIL ?
how do you handle that dilema
on alt fan landmark there s the case of a man who got the local parent
of the year award
sign of sucess?
the same man - went on to murder his wife and leave his children
parent less
if someone had pointed out he was a bad parent - would they be judged
as EVIL and insane for raining on this man's "success" ... ?
what is SUCCESS ?
does it have a moral component
does it have a financial component
does it have other components
what happens when two components contradict each other
what do you label a person who points out these contradictions ?
sane or insane
good or evil
Eldon
It can probably only confuse you, since your personality disorder
precludes the possibility of compassion.
Inside...@yahoo.com
sane or insane
good or evil
****
Needy.
HAPPYsamuri
person to judge his level of ethical/moral understanding - and then to
post a quote about labelling someone EVIL
but lets work with the idea that some people are EVIL
what if this eveil person is a very good actor
- people can have acting skills
what happens if this EVIL person has a natural "charisma" - people can
have natural charisma
charisma can be used a tool for sucess - does them now being sucessful
overcome the inherant EVIL we established earlier
or are EVIL and CHARISMA mutually exclusive in IAs experience
is it possible for an EVIL person to obtain worldly success
how does the above criteria of worldly SUCCESS really help a young
avatar master distinguish EVIL
isn't this based on the erroneous premise that worldly SUCCESS and
EVIL are mutually exclusive
how would an avatar master deal with a young woman claiming to have
been raped by a world title holding boxer ?
would they assume the girl was EVIL for trying to bring down a
SUCCESSFUL boxer ?
what about the OJ Simpson case
successful actor and football star
are his ex wifes family EVIL for taking him to civil court ?
real life scenarios for grown ups
Inside...@yahoo.com
Check. My bad. Sorry to have a personality disorder that you are
resisting.
HAPPYsamuri
it is easier for camel to pass thru the eye of a needle
the a [sucessful] rich man to enter heaven
was he just being OMG
EVIL
is the level of understanding of the SE reps that "basic"
if Jesus did avatar - and said stuff like this - and stuff about
throwing down the tables of the "money" lenders ...how would they
percieve him
sure he also said - give ceaser his due
but where is the ability to descern between these two aspects
Eldon
As in rationaly or ethically deficient? What a ridiculous thing to
say. Nice projection, though. Pot kettle black sorta thang.
But hey -- why don't you use that concept as a starting point for EPC
Briefing #46. We've all been waiting with bated breath to see you make
a bigger, more pompous fool of yourself.
HAPPYsamuri
and yet you keep coming back
don't argue
just make a statement
ie
this is what happened at Elmira....
this is what hari thinks about his years a a CoS mission holder
this is SEs stand on ethical business practices
i know IA doesn't seem to "believe" in the value of moral or ethical
understanding
so i don't want to drag hm out of his depth
but old george T mentioned a thing called virtuous doctoring
so i am open to other avatarites giving more creedence to the
existence of virtue and its relationship to ethical understanding in
the lives of some people not so "challenged" or set in their "belieifs"
HAPPYsamuri
i assume this is aimed specifically at Eldon
perhaps if you got specific here your words might have context rather
than mere implication
HAPPYsamuri
> OMG case category. OMG comes from the Trainers’ expression, "Oh, my
> God!" But this is a misleading association, because the case is far
> from God. They are the insane, antisocial, evil-intentioned case. They
> attempt to dominate and overwhelm others by keeping them upset and
> doubtful. They empower other people’s secondaries by making them
> serious and dis-empower other people’s primaries by poking fun at
> them.
you are not tryin to BLAME them for the mental landscapes of others
are you ?
> The reason they act this way is because they fear the truth.
please tell me the TRUTH of what happened at Elmira
please tell me the Truth about hari's participation as a COS mission
holder
> That’s a bold statement, but hundreds of hours of investigation into
> OMG cases found that the basic motivation in every single case was to
> dodge some truth.
please tell me the TRUTH of what happened at Elmira
please tell me the Truth about hari's participation as a COS mission
holder
please don't DODGE this opportunity
>Typical OMG behaviors are psychosis, blame,
like BLAMING someone for empowering someone elses secondaries ?
> intentionally causing upsets, obsessively making others wrong,
like calling them avatar bashers as socalled discribed by the DSM ?
> sabotage of projects, bad directions, bad news, bad advice,
> misdirected criticism, invalidation of successful people, and
> interference with effective actions. Their general reasoning seems to
> be, 'If others don’t look quite so good, then I don’t look quite so
> bad.'
>
how do you know this?
did you ask them?
was this the considered opinion of an overseeing psycholigic adviser -
can we have their name
what was the nature of the "investigation"
is there an "outline" of its nature and who conducted it
did any one '"succesfully write it up"
or do we take it as truth because the speaker "successfully" managed
to post here
i see robert Mugabe "sucessfully" won another election
despite the Mugabe-bashers
HAPPYsamuri
doesn't an avatar master point out the "contradiction" between a
persons primariy and their secondaries
still YOU don't need to understand HOW avatar works
that's just NEEDY
just trust hari and go back to sleep
we can call it non-personal development - like the difference between
a davinci and a paint by numbers
your personal understanding is not required for this en "lite" enment
don't you want world leaders to see how their primaries and
secondaries contradict
wait - hari's words - primary secondary good
contradiction bad
no - mr - call the next guy a fool
it is the desire to overcome "contradiction" that is the key - not the
particular "system" used to overcome the contradiction
just as well hari's getting paid for this - i can see why he didn't
want to teach you for free - despite his level of compassion and
integrity
and he made you feel important by creating an imaginary group that was
even more unteachable than you
now that is compassion
psri...@gmail.com
OMG is right! This is pretty sick stuff when you recognize it.
Yes, the various posters here are so obviously correct you can cut a
knife through it - this is straight out of Hubbard's playbook.
Case = Scientology term
Handle = ditto
Debug = ditto
etc
"hundreds of hours of investigation" = used constantly in Scientology
to give credibility, a phrase started by Hubbard regarding all his
completely unverifiable research, much like everything Palmer ever did
or said.
The rest of it as well - if you changed a couple terms - would be
identified as having come from the Sciontology cult by anyone familiar
with it. Then again, no matter how different it claims to be, Avatar
is based on Scientology, down to its rotten core.
And InsideAvra digs in deeper with each post fighting without any
logic to be oh so right by accusing others of having that very need,
dishing out projection and 'resisting' (Scientology term) onto others
to amke it look like they aren't the ones doing it. He can't help but
treat "non-Avatar humans" as pitiable people whose deep personal
faults are the cause of all their dislikes for something so wondrous
and perfect as Palmer's path.
Simple plan, really. InsideAvra is the one that would appear quite
insane if it wasn't so obviously DELIBERATE. You see, from his years
of leadership in Scientology, Palmer knows and models for his minions
to act ("train") according to a simple principle developed by Hubbard:
If you can redefine sanity and insanity according to your own rules,
the deck is stacked and no one can argue with you once they buy into
the creation (MU in Scio-jargon). THEY decide how people should think,
believe, and feel, and have 'tools' to 'fix' it when they don't
comply. But the real sickness is that they embrace this judgmental
"we" versus "they" instincts by generalized lables ("every single
case" from above statement), then vilify and therefore nullify ANYONE
who dares question, disagree, or heaven forbid, criticize. Once this
axiom is 'implanted' (Scio-Avatar term) the control of brainwashing is
solidly founded. Palmer (or any other cult leader) is then free of any
and all scrutiny and ethical restraints excepting the reach of laws in
the outside world.
Please review IA's posts again, and ask yourself if someone outside
Avatar would see this as anything more than manipulative pseudo-
spiritual psychobabble - perhaps to amuse himself and other people
stuck in that huge assumption of infallibility. I'd like to see him
try to argue using an accepted frame of reference or even common sense
- you know, actually answering questions instead of veiling insults in
bumper-sticker wisdom - but then he's already claimed to be unwilling
to argue with a fool (ie. suppressive person, avatar basher,
psychopath, child molester, or any other insinuating label that suits
his taste at the moment)
But if he believes his own bullshit about other people fearing the
truth, then it confirms that Palmer and his ilk are as many suspect -
quite insane. Too bad they don't have the tools to 'handle' that.
waynemcmahon
pencildick, as it would be informative to line up a sociopath like
yourself with your name.
You think people who read IA's post, people who have had no experience
with Scio or Avatar, haven't met an Oh My God type of person? An
asshole who has never done anything useful in his life but believes he's
an expert in everyone elses life? This stuff is so goddamned obvious
only a screwball who fits the bill of an OMG would be wriggling around
trying to convince others that don't exist.
Your style of writing and debbasing is so transparent there isn't a
person here who doesn't know who you are. This really is the board for
broken-down old guys who were kicked out of Scientology decades ago and
usually for good cause.
You're trying to convince someone that the OMG is a fiction, and that
you guys here who have been spewing hate-filled garbage for more than a
decade are freakin' humanitarians? And that words in common usage are
specialty Scientology terms understood only by elderly 'experts' like
yourself? It seems that you, rather than those you accuse, are the one
who believes he can control how others think.
Eldon has been deemed vicious by a court of law, Slap Happy never met a
thought he couldn't confuse with something other than what it is. But
YOU, p'dick, are the one they call in when they're beginning to look
particularly pathetic because you are way WAY beyond ever having to
examine what crap you try to pass off as rationality.
I believe Harry Palmer had a pretty good idea of what he was doing when
he wrote that article.
Examine your own lives, fallas. How many times have others thought "how
the hell do I get rid of this guy?"
Eldon
diarrhea.
psri...@gmail.com
> It's unfortunate that you feel compelled to use so many psuedonyms,
> pencildick, as it would be informative to line up a sociopath like
> yourself with your name.
It is unfortunate you feel compelled to identify someone (who in fact
uses only THIS quasi-pseudonym here), as you have only one way to deal
with people who have a perspective threatening your emotional security
- ridicule them, profile them, write them off. It was so good of
Palmer to teach you how to do that, which was exactly what my post was
about. I dare you to categorize me as a sociopath because of my
position. That only makes YOU look pathetic.
The fact is you WISH you knew who I was, just to have a target for
dead agenting instead of dealing with reason. But you don't, therefore
you must use your CULT-LOGIC to ASSUME I am this or that person, as
you have no other way of dealing with criticism. You have successfully
proven just now that Harry Palmer has ruined your mind. It is pure
mush, with you spinning in circles desperate to use his depraved logic
to attach the attacker because you have no other means to deal with
it. Please seek help OUTSIDE the Avatar spin bin. Don't waste any more
of your life as a total sucker.
> You think people who read IA's post, people who have had no experience
> with Scio or Avatar, haven't met an Oh My God type of person? An
> asshole who has never done anything useful in his life but believes he's
> an expert in everyone elses life? This stuff is so goddamned obvious
> only a screwball who fits the bill of an OMG would be wriggling around
> trying to convince others that don't exist.
Only someone so desperate to believe in obvious CULT LOGIC would read
my post to mean I am denying such people exist. The fact is they
exist, but not at all like he conveniently describes. If he was
telling the truth, it would be too self-incriminating. Remember, some
people actually have a REAL background in psychology and know Palmer
has serious issues through and through. He is a very sick man, and you
are his abused victim - you've been inner-child-molested and think
your molester loves you. I think some other poster here has a doll
waiting for you to that effect, and they were right.
> And that words in common usage are
> specialty Scientology terms understood only by elderly 'experts' like
> yourself?
They are not commonly used that way in the real world - AT ALL. If you
visited it once in a while, you'd know.
It's called 'loading the language' in cult studies - using common
words to mean different things to LIMIT AND CONTROL THOUGHT (a la
1984), and Palmer can't even be original enough to do more than have
some of the terms replaced. Don't lie to us and say they weren't
almost all Scientology terms in the original materials.
> I believe Harry Palmer had a pretty good idea of what he was doing when
> he wrote that article.
Yes, he knew what he was doing alright. But you have been programmed
to be incapable of seeing his REAL crafted intention. You proved my
point for me quite well, in fact. Very, very sad.
> Examine your own lives, fallas. How many times have others thought "how
> the hell do I get rid of this guy?"
Yep. We wish we could get rid of people like Palmer, and those who his
pathology rubbed off on such as yourself. The world would be a far
better place. Please take your own advice and look at your life -
REALLY loom at it, meaning WITHOUT the filters of Palmer's warped
'creations.'
So, you think I'm elderly? Who else on this board am I supposed to be?
LOLOL
HAPPYsamuri
>
> You're trying to convince someone that the OMG is a fiction,
not at all Wayne
i'm sure there are lurkers that go OMG at you and IA
that's life
i've been on ARS and gone OMG at the girls smamming the place with bad
psychiatrist stories - so i go OMG
when defenders of hubtech quote a manual written by and fr the psyche
proffesion
suddenly you have learnt to "integrate" with the people the scieno's
hate - but you can't integrate with Eldon yet
OMG
either that or you are just wielding PSYCHE quotes as a weapon - and
still really stand by hubbards hatred of them
any statements from an educational psychologist on hubbys hatred of
psyches ?
HAPPYsamuri
> On Aug 12, 2:49 pm, waynemcmahon <waynemcma...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> > And that words in common usage are
> > specialty Scientology terms understood only by elderly 'experts' like
> > yourself?
>
> They are not commonly used that way in the real world - AT ALL. If you
> visited it once in a while, you'd know.
>
> It's called 'loading the language' in cult studies - using common
> words to mean different things to LIMIT AND CONTROL THOUGHT (a la
> 1984), and Palmer can't even be original enough to do more than have
> some of the terms replaced. Don't lie to us and say they weren't
> almost all Scientology terms in the original materials.
>
the semantisists refer to "calling out the word rulers"
take the esoteric "exprience" out of playing with primaries and
secondaries
and you have what used to be called - prioritising and the concept of
"conflicting goals"
the student then becomes DENTED by the avatar version based on some
"experience" that then cannot see their own state of ":contradiction"
unless they discover it in an avatar session
in a sense - this is what happens when they have an OMG with someone
the next OMG would be- how can i be a catalyst for "integration of
belief systems" when so many belief systems are way out of their realm
of integrating with
do they then go OMG - my mission of integrating beliefs systems is....
and requires....
the irony is Paul
- wayne - the man with the mission of integrating with YOUR belief
system has not seen how he is sabotaging that mission [primary]
OMG
so he develops the secondary - there is a thing called an avatar
basher -
and thereby resolves his inability to integrate with you
OMG
this isn't the only way they separate from others - and in others ways
it appears harmless and even CUTE - in the more "innocent" ones
sorry wayne i don't put you in that catagory
it has a certain naive integrity in a kid who has been brought up with
avatar [minus cos] - like any kid brought up in a new age family i
guess
whether they really have over come the tolle pain body - or whether
they just remain ignorant of it until their character is tested in
that area - only time can tell
psri...@gmail.com
> take the esoteric "exprience" out of playing with primaries and
> secondaries
>
> and you have what used to be called - prioritising and the concept of
> "conflicting goals"
>
> the student then becomes DENTED by the avatar version based on some
> "experience" that then cannot see their own state of ":contradiction"
> unless they discover it in an avatar session
>
>
> the irony is Paul
>
> - wayne - the man with the mission of integrating with YOUR belief
> system has not seen how he is sabotaging that mission [primary]
>
> OMG
>
> so he develops the secondary - there is a thing called an avatar
> basher -
>
> and thereby resolves his inability to integrate with you
Once again, you prove you GET it. This is the closest I've seen you
come to outright laying out the brainwashing schema used in Avatar.
But of course this will go over certain people's heads, as calling you
incoherent or haiku-crazy is a great way to rid themselves of the
secondary created by the existence of a potential "Aha!" moment that
would shatter the cozy stell-clamp trap of Palmer's sick illusions.