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::: Jesus is LORD :::

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Jul 5, 2009, 8:04:53 AM7/5/09
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Just in case people might wonder about my new style how to deal with
usenet trolls and my telling them to TROLL OFF...

I really do not want to lose all my energy to explain why they are doing
what they are doing, which is TROLLING, and use my energy for better
things. TROLLING is a newsgroup term which is understood by usenet
users. I have to admit that it is not a Christian term, but it is a term
the TROLLS understand. They do not understand Christian kindness,
because they are of the world, like the term TROLLING is. In addition we
should never forget that this here is a public place where readers
cannot filter out the difference between a Christian and a fraud, and
they might misinterpret the Christian kindness and think it is an
agreement with the blasphemers or their supporters. Never forget that
this is no conversation between four eyes, and never forget the effect
your posts can have on the innocent Readers who might want to find
solutions, answers and a hint of who is who.

So many people just come here for TROLLING and TORPEDOING the Christian
faith - just to name a few: Diana, Matt, Jani, Sensi, Glenn, Kelly,
"Pastor" Dave, Michael Christ, Rowland Croucher, Andrew B. Chung, Mark T
("I") and some others, please be on the watch) come here to rebel
against God and God's Word. Some of them have their own ideas about it,
thinking Jesus Christ came back in 70 AD already, or that Jesus is god
but not the God, or that they are Christ themselves, or that
homosexuality (or any other sin in general) would ever be acceptable for
God, or that they just hate Christians and attack them with the goal to
chase them off the Christian newsgroups, or that they just flatter
around any blasphemers around for getting the necessary attention and
strokes.

How can the Readers who are interested in serious questions about the
Christian faith filter that out? They actually cannot see what insiders
can see. I have been around for about six years and will do what Paul
suggested, but without having myself involved emotionally, yet marking
them by words ("TROLL OFF", no pearls for them, no endless debates about
what the Christian faith is NOT about) they understand:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and
offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own
belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the
simple. (Romans 16:17-18 KJV)

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Randy ®

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On Jul 5, 7:04 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
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Correct.

dolf

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WHINGEING POM -- The Expat Bites Back May / June 2009

WIRED May / June 2009

New Scientist May 30 - June 5

Psychology Today June 2009

ADBUSTERS -- Generation F*CK the tyranny of 21st Century Porn

Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
> Dolf please, no one reads it.
>
>
> Michael Christ

Unsettling isn't it?

I'm starting to get open derision from the streets... Your generation
will not be forgiven...

(ru) dolf: "Treason is what treason does! I used that www-page as a
reference on Bill Feuerer ("the Dolt")

And mention the 'Mental Block' on 2009.2.18 in a discussion tread 'The
Truth Behind Leviticus 18:22' in newsgroups: alt.bible,
alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, aus.religion.christian

As comment which was applied to me just the other day--wherein I falsely
was accused: "Much like the Dolt, aren't you...twist reality to sooth
your senses...

"Just as the idea of marriage or the opposite sex (or same sex,
depending on which way your wind blows) generally loses its allure after
the apocalyptic end of a long relationship, the emigre becomes
disconnected from the merry-go-round of public life. It's been a long
haul. It all ended in tears and we just can't be bothered anymore.
What's the point? Who cares? Rah, rah, rah. Ironically, this lack of
interest in turn, places our original, European BIG issues in
context...what a waste of breath and effort they all were." ["The Back
of Beyond", Jamie Hilton, Whinging POM--The Expat Bites Back, p 112]

Correct yourself... But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his
brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and
whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the
council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool {ie. *Dolt* a stupid
person}, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest
that thy brother hath ought against thee;

Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be
reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Agree with thine adversary quickly, whilst thou art in the way with him;
lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge
deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till
thou hast paid the uttermost farthing--a former monetary unit and coin
of the UK, withdrawn in 1961, equal to a quarter of an old penny."
[Matthew 5:22-26 (KJV)]

"Curiously enough, that particular epiphany comes as a blessed relief.
No more energy wasted over issues outside our control. No more worrying
about the lives of trivial people trivially slasphed across the
mainstream media. All in all, it leads to a less intense pace of life,
albeit a more cyncical one. For instance, I can't help but get mildly
irritated (call it 'FrustratedLife') that the federal and state
authorities consider it wise to imitate the policies of the BIG
economies and institute a raft of legislation and bureaucracy to govern
every tiny detail of daily life. If find it ludicrous that, in the
middle of the global economic cluster***k, K Rudd can blithely announce
a huge expenditure on an updated arsenal for the Australian armed forces.

(ru) dolf: "Speaking of following BIG economies and the role of male and
female, do any of you work for News Corporation and how is Rupert?"

According to media reports coinciding with American's celebration of
Indepence Day, a group of sailors from HMAS Success has been sent home
and an inquiry is underway after they allegedly plotted, a mission
accomplished, as challenge to have sex with as many female crewmates as
possible.

The sailors allegedly detailed their plot in a document called �The
Ledger� where dollar values were placed on each woman's head, during an
overseas deployment in May, Channel Seven reports.

Larger amounts were offered if the sailors could sleep with a female
officer or a lesbian and sailors challenged each other to have sex in
various locations, including on top of a pool table, the report said.

"Hang on; couldn't much of that money be used to revive the economy on
one fell swoop? Does anyone really care enough to mount a full scale
attack on Australia? Is all this money simply a gargantuan subsidy to
make that godawful programme 'Border Security' even vaguely exciting"

The statement said the navy demands a working environment �free from
unacceptable behaviour�. It warns all of its staff to �treat others
fairly� and that any form of unacceptable behaviour �will be dealt
with�. [The Australian newspaper, Sex plot' thickens as sailors sent
home, July 04, 2009]

"The Great Australian Defence Splurge, we chuckle. What a load of
pompous, self-aggrandizing filibustering. Hundreds of billions of
dollars ejaculated on missiles and jets and submarines? Which, again in
turn, provides a counterpoint to the rest of the world. It's a recession
and STILL every government is spending fortunes on arms for their armies
whilst continuing to piously bleat on about the environment. Doesn't
quite gel, does it?" ["The Back of Beyond", Jamie Hilton, Whinging
POM--The Expat Bites Back, p 112]

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com.au): "How could God so ACCURATELY predict
the fate of EVERY ATHEIST REGIME, Centuries ago!?!?!!!"

Virgil (vir...@nowhere.com): "Depends on which 'God' or 'Gods' are
alleged to have done so and what evidence that 'gods' followers have of
such prediction."

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com.au): "Atheists can't answer, real men know,
little boys run away... ;-)"

Virgil (vir...@nowhere.com): "In this respect, both Buddha and Brahma
trump Ya[h]weh."

Linda Freeman (lfreemanli...@webtv.net): "Christian belief
doesn't save Amen bruddah..."

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com.au): "The One that counts, you poor deluded
moron!"

Linda Freeman (lfreemanli...@webtv.net): "Most of us wish we
could die in our sleep. Not many want to die in pain or face another
plane of existence of which they have not prepared for.
If you do not believe you are immortal, then what a Christian says
shouldn't bother you. Your just gonna die like a animal, right?

If you ask me, from what I've heard, a plane crash is a pretty fast way
to go. You could liken it to being taken, like in the rapture."

(ru) dolf: "I've heard of Yahweh, and of statues to Buddha and Brahma,
but who is Bruddah? Ja Haag!"

Virgil (vir...@nowhere.com): "They all count, to their worshippers, but
none of them count otherwise."

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com.au): "You snipped it."

Virgil (vir...@nowhere.com): "It wasn't ever there to be snipped. All I
have snipped from fasgnadh's delusional maunderings are some of his less
coherent ones."

Zencycle (abandoned the argument he has lost): "Islam considers every
one who does not follow islam to be a non-believer."

Virgil (vir...@nowhere.com): "No more twaddley than christian delusions."

(ru) dolf: "In Victoria the Equal Opportunity and Human Rights
Commission postpones legal matters of human rights abuses against the
American originating Seventh-day Adventist Church, Telstra Corporation
and AXA Group Insurance in relation to the natural and common law
definition of autonomic right and marriage associated to an AIDS
exclusion in an employment contract as occurring before ANZAC Day to
coincide with the statue plaque commemorative dates (24 April to 5 May)
of an event in another state under the Commonwealth.

So much for catholic sons in parliament.

That I have left the jurisdiction of Victoria due to a culture of denial
and perversion of justice particularly as the Victorian Equal
Opportunity and Human Rights Commission by Mr Thwaites 24 April 2007
deferral of matters, the granting of a gay pub exemption to create a
reserved space free from heterosexist antagonism, as prejudiced conduct
against the unlawful nature of my arrest on ANZAC Day 25 April 2006.

That I have written the following 4 chapters with the view of advancing
my claim against Senior Constable Peter Andrews, the Victoria Police,
and the Internet Personality known as Athanasius:

Deus ex Machinas: Shredding Disbelief (Extrusion of Ideas (sexual
exclusion) & Three-Dimensional Cellular Automata)
Arselifter beheads and disembowels kangaroo (About the Dolt: Their['s]
is no real god)
Germ(-)nation: Operation Spruce Goose (OZ2'y)! (War Against Faux Piety)
The Adversaries of Piety and Proof (Measured Force and Hypostatic
Equilibrium Models of Governance)"

"Jesus had it tough the first time around, dealing with all the bitching
and bullying from the Pharisees and the Romans, but it'd be no picnic if
he comes to Australia now." [Dominic Cadden, Whinging POM--The Expat
Bites Back, May/June 2009, p 76]

Mark [I] Tindall (Iam@home0000316): "Australian politicians, unlike
their US counterparts, have traditionally been reluctant to bring God
into politics: Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has promised two nuns that he
will press the Pope on the canonisation of Mary MacKillop.

The Archdiocese of Sydney said Mr Rudd would raise the issue in a
meeting with Pope Benedict XVI in Rome on July 9.

The Prime Minister had made the promise to two nuns at a Sydney church
"over a cup of tea'' on yesterday evening: 29 June 2009.

But a new study shows federal MPs are invoking Christian beliefs with
increasing frequency to justify their policies and articulate their
personal values and visions for the nation." [In the name of the father
-- MPs flock to Jesus, Mark Davis, National Editor to The Australian
Newspaper, 30 June 2009]

(ru) dolf: "I cannot believe, that not a single journalist on 2009.6.29
asked the fashionable Bruno whether women confuse his hysterical Prince
Albert (Prince of Thurn and Taxis) performance as accessory helmet
carrying knight of the Austrian Order of the Golden Fleece, with an IUD
or IOU?

That not only does he continue to steal my creative ideas, but he
perpetuates a grotesque parody of me and other gay participants within
our Community. Media reports (the Australian 2009.6.30) gives his
justification as follows: "Look, what I'm trying to do is undo all the
damage done to my community by the movie Milk (about gay activist Harvey
Milk, starring Sean Penn). Apparently the lead actor from that wasn't
even gay."

"Mind you, Aussies would probably milk that wine-into-water move for all
it's worth--just until the Liquor Licensing Bureau turns up after
there's a Responsible Service of Alcohol complaint. Australia is a tough
gig if you are a Messiah, prophet, saint or even the one and only true God."

Bruno wore a skimpy schoolboy uniform changing into shining armour for
the State Theatre premiere. The uniform appeared an obvious homage to
AC/DC guitarist Angus Young {ie. Rivers Bob's cover as dirty deeds done
with sheep to the tune of AC/CD's Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap: The
category comparator is to fanatics with whom you'd shake hands and leave
your children with}, although Bruno feigned ignorance. Rather, he's
inspired by the great leaders, Gandhi and Jesus Christ, who like him,
look good in underwear.

"Attitudes to religion in Australia range from aggressive atheism to the
fanatical, but with a sea of indifference in between. Australia has
historically had a cynical attitude to religion, largely thanks to the
Poms. It goes right back to the convict days, especially with morals
crusader Governor Hunter ordering convicts to be flogged for even
picking their noses in an unglody matter."

Olrik (olri...@yahoo.com): "Dolf lost it...Mary had a little lamb,
little lamb, little lamb, Mary had a little lamb, whose fleece was white
as snow. [words by Sarah Josepha Hale]"

"The convicts could handle the floggings, but they couldn't stomach
being forced to go to the church on Sundays, so they burnt it down."
[God's Country, Dominic Cadden, Whinging POM--The Expat Bites Back,
May/June 2009, p 78]

Sanity's Little Helper (elv...@noshpam.org): "Andy CHUNG, can you
publicly say 'Mary had a little lamb'?"

"So while a 'New Puritanism' has risen up among the few, the majority of
Australians still feel separated from both church and state.

Their main temple is outdoors and they worship at various altars to
sport, with all the Sabbaths from Friday to Sunday abused equally.
Nineteen of the world's 22 major religions are represented in Australia,
making a kind of Lions side, with Buddha throwing his weight around in
the forwards, Jesus and Muhammad looking to strike from either wing,
while Krishna feeds the scrum. Hopefully they can gel as a team." [God's
Country, Dominic Cadden, Whinging POM--The Expat Bites Back, May/June
2009, p 81]

(ru) dolf: "Look I'm not interested in providing anymore foundational
cognitive elements for multi-media Alice-in-Wonderland marketing
opportunities."

Olrik (olri...@yahoo.com): "Pure quote fabrication. 'dolf', you're a
dishonest person. Shame on you. You should buy a gun, at least one
bullet, and do the honorable thing."

(ru) dolf: "Do you have any relationship with media, radio, television
and the arts that might derive some benefit from your stalking?"

Olrik (olri...@yahoo.com): "Yes."

(ru) dolf: "Because I'm not into organized crime, my assassins are clear
to me and will poonam their shorts in not having a calm mind as
conscience--Cause everybody knows!"

Olrik (olri...@yahoo.com): "Exactly"

(ru) dolf: "You do cautiously know that anything you say here can be
used in a court of law... "

Olrik (olri...@yahoo.com): "Riiiiiiiiight... Poor dolf... "

(ru) dolf: "Thank-you for acknowledging that you know right from wrong
as well!"

Olrik (olri...@yahoo.com): "The important thing to consider here is :
do *you*?"

(ru) dolf: "You're as convincing as British chef Gordon Ramsay's
journalistic spoof radio announcement of a romance cookery piety series
for Mills and Boon--The etruscan occultist bling banger!"

Sacha Baron Cohen is reported to have said at his conference: "I want to
be the gay stereotype, I want to be the gay role model -- accept it!"

(ru) dolf: "Should I expect to go to a shaver's shop to get a plough for
my face? From 12 years of age, my face was often pressed against the
side of a cow as I milked them!"

Great Sage Itchy (it...@itchyandscratchy.com): "Andrew B. Chung, You are
a supreme egoist, You are a sick asshole, You are a hated internet creep
and troll, There is NOTHING 'spiritual' about what you do here, or
anywhere else, It's all EGO. Your whole life is nothing but EGO, You are
a loser, You have NO friends, You never will have friends. Nobody likes
an asshole, And that's what you are. And always will be.

And now let us pray for usenet creep Andrew's perishing asshole soul:
"Our Lord who lives in the sky, We acknowledge that you are all
powerful, and that Andrew B. Chung is a sick asshole.

We worship you Lord, in the knowledge that you will soon bring a
glorious day when Andrew Chung will no longer be a total asshole, loser
and usenet creep...

But until then, he's lazy and stupid, so can you spare him some bread,
SkyDude?

And as you know, SkyGod, Andrew Chung is a weak, perverted, worthless
creep, but please protect him from those who try to take advantage of
his weakness, perversion, and stupidity...

And stop him from doing creepy things he will later regret..

Because, SkyGod, he wants to be a winner who does the right thing, but
he's a loser and pervert, so he needs your help...

For you are the Great Overlord and his Master, SkyGod, and only you can
save his broke loser faggot ass. Amen." [The Internet Lord's Prayer by
GreatSageItchy (c) 2009]

And now, Andrew B. Chung, can you now publicly say "Jesus is a SKELETON" ?

Love in the truth, Great Sage Itchy, Greater than Heaven and God
combined! His Holiness Great Sage Itchy, GS, GTH/AGC God-certified Great
Sage, and Author of "The Internet Lords Prayer", now translated into 167
languages."

Michael Christ (Jesus...@Father.com): "Like all your vitriol, it is
all just a projection of yourself upon others. It is you that is the
arsehole and the egotist, and the evidence is right before you."

(ru) dolf: "Given past discrimination by Jews of gay persons in this
country, I have vowed never to attend the Jewish Synagogue Elizabeth
Street Sydney and this prohibition extends to my attendance at the
Jewish Museum or paricipation in any way within ANZAC Day 25 April
memorials on the grounds I will derive too much pleasure and
contemptuous disdain for you and this nation as a people.

Has anyone seen that cougar rosy belle <<k�ll�>> (316...@gmail.com)
following close behind? How's that itchy vagina of yours? This use to be
a funhouse... "

Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Still throwing the
f-bomb around euphemistically, Vera? ::: Jesus is just so very PROUD :::"

Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "I pitched a zombie/porno to a producer in
film school once.

Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Back to your
euphemistic vulgarities I see. ::: Jesus is so PROUD ::: of you, Vera. "

Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "Zombie-ism as Sexually Transmitted
Disease. The whole script was about unprotected sex and everyone who was
infected got infected by fucking."

Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Well...at least we
now know you're reading the posts you need to."

(ru) dolf: "Ali 'G' as intense sensual prelude, Borat's what sexy feels
like and Bruno's add-lib for increased sexual desire and passion doesn't
do it for you?"

Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "And, of course, everyone fucking gets
infected except the two virgins."

Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "I wonder when
she's going to realise that a major part of her 'testimony' was getting
away from inadequate / abusive men."

Jani [Minx] Juicer (ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "I think she subconsciously
uses those stories in order to attract abusive men."

Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "And now she's
chasing round defending exactly the same type (except that these do it
with 'scripture')."

Jani [Minx] Juicer (ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Not only "chasing round"
but right on the heels of Randy (and any other male who shows even just
a smidgen of interest in her) because she needs his approval. I imagine
her father was also abusive (her stories of how she would sleep in his
bed are revealing) and she's been attracting and chasing the same kind
of men ever since. There was a time when John Weatherly told her he
would propose to her with a gun held to her head and she didn't even
blink and eye. In fact, she continued to chase after him even after that."

Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "Oh, and instead of saying "BRAINSSSSS" the
female zombies would moan "COCKKKKKK"

Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Excuse me,
but...what? I never said any such thing - I've never said 'don't do
works because you don't have to in order to be saved'. Funny...you
accuse Randy of putting words in people's mouths but that's exactly what
you just did to me. I'm done with you - you're poisonous."

Jani [Minx] Juicer (ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Another one with deep,
deep emotional issues."

(ru) dolf: "According to the May/June 2009 (Vol 42 No 3) edition of
Psychology Today: Failure destroys some people and scientists are
discovering that such in-utero events can have lifelong effects."

Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "I thought I might eventually actually
write it. Seemed pretty epic at the time." [The Joblo Movie Network,
Arrow in The Head's Porn Star Zombies (2010)]

(ru) dolf: "K�ll� or is it Kelly? What is the difference between the
cartoon Family Guy, Bruno parading the streets as a Knight with a horse
and his daughter Olive Cohen at the Farmer's Market holding a rabbit?"

Bazza Magoo (Barry [Lucy Boots] OGrady): "What is Qolan Dolt? You should
quore something before your reply. Only fools top post."

(ru) dolf: "But how honest is his Karl Stefanovic impersonation?
According to 2009.6.24 media reports by Jason Koutsoukis courtesy: The
Age Newspaper, former treasurer Peter Costello and Ms Gillard visiting
Jerusalem, have called for a different kind of conversation from world
leaders trying to promote freedom and justice: "If the root of democracy
is conversation, then the true root of friendship is honesty," Ms
Gillard said.

"We should be honest about the difficulty of achieving a just and
lasting settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."

"We should be honest about where we all fail to live up to our ideals.
We should be honest about how, despite its importance, politics is only
one small part of what shapes our lives and our actions. We should be
honest about what each of our nations still has to learn.

"And we should use honesty to make our exchanges and our differences
more valuable and better appreciated." [(c) 2009 Fairfax Digital, The
Australian Newspaper 2009.6.24 on-line edition]

(ru) dolf: "I had to have an ugly discussion on stalking with my local
Arab deli store owner about the probity of telephoning radio stations to
inform on their customers consumer habits.

Carl McCluskey (sai...@nettally.com): "This public service announcement
has been brought to you by 'Citizens For Truth In Advertising' {tm}
which is solely responsible for its content."

(ru) dolf: "That's qolon spelt without a 'u' and semantical
justification for that is found in the zeitgeist inspired name Qantas as
spirit of a nation!"

Monkfish (monkfish@nowhere): "Ther[e] are many many things you don't
understand. Get over it soon."

(ru) dolf: "Such as e=mc�? How then do you explain the semiotic and
cosmological basis to language and mind? "

Monkfish (monkfish@nowhere): "Do you really want the universe to be only
with things you understand?"

(ru) dolf: "If empty conjecture is all you are capable of conveying then
you do have the alternative where you don't need to speak."

Monkfish (monkfish@nowhere): "Do I have to? How about something much
more complex than us?"

(ru) dolf: "Are you an �bermensch American, what other than Br�no could
be more complex than that? Thirty-four-year-old John Adams agreed to
defend the soldiers who committed the Boston massacre. 5 March 1770 was
a cold, moonlit night. A few men and some boys went to the Old State
House looking for trouble. A lone British sentry became the brunt of
taunts from these angry colonists incensed by the policies of the king.

Shortly after nine o'clock a church bell sounded the fire alarm and
called men to action from all over the city. Some converged on the State
House where the Redcoats were reinforced by eight soldiers with loaded
muskets and fixed bayonets. Snowballs followed by chunks of ice and
stones provoked one of the sentries to open fire. When the smoke
cleared, five Bostonians lay dead on the street. Paul Revere published a
print of the encounter that Sam Adams called a 'bloody butchery.'"

- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/kangaroo.html

Randy � pulpi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:13:32 +0930,
> In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife", Article
<4A503D84...@internode.on.net>, Subject: Re: Love your enemies
> Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>> I hear those who are out to condemn the sinners and to exalt
themselves as the
>> righteous.
>> They need to ... condemn the righteous ... because the salvation
they have is
>> that JC has salvation and righteousness.
>
>
> That's just it. We're not the one's saying we're not sinners,
> who don't need to have our sinful ways of life atoned for, and
> trying to justify sinful lifestyles. They're the ones who
> labor to justify what the Bible says is sinful lifestyles,
> instead of admitting those lifestyles are wrong, and accepting
> forgiveness in Christ.
>
> For example, if the Bible says that no homosexual will inherit
> eternal life, some of them simply try to justify
> homosexuality. That's not us condemning sinners, that's just
> telling them what the Bible plainly states. Their attempt to
> justify homosexuality, then, is the self righteousness that
> seeks to avoid Christ as an atonement for that sin.
>
> --
> Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
> from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and gives you
eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
> not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the glory (Eph.
2:8-9).
> ______________________________________________
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Fear is an issue we all have to deal with. People are afraid and most
of us don’t want to admit it. Atheist many times skulk around
Christian and Messianic newsgroups and with every post they put into
cyberspace, they betray their own fears.

You won’t see Atheist lurking around spending their lives bemoaning
Santa Clause, the Easter bunny or Batman newsgroups telling everybody
they don’t exist because they aren’t afraid if people believe they are
real. The vast majority of people recognize fictional characters but
some do still believe they are real.

The NT notion that all members of a congregation should be of “one
mind”, is short sighted in that growth comes from competing ideas.

Rev 17:13 “They have one mind, and they shall give their power and
authority to the beast.

If we only went to churches where everybody agreed with every issue
within the church, none of us would ever go to a church ever! I bet
if we made list of issues that should be taught in the church,
everybody would come up with their own list and nobody would agree.
For instance, I do not agree with my Christian brothers that teach we
have no need to guard the Sabbath. I don’t agree with them on the
issue that Yehoshua is the Almighty either when scriptures provides
several comments that indicate he served a deity in the Father.

These different perspectives don’t mean that I don’t love my Christian
brothers or my Messiah Yehoshua that they call Jesus Christ. I don’t
even agree with the Roman Paul’s teachings as needed canon that I
should consider his letters, “the inspired word” but I don’t hate
Apostle Paul either.

People that are dogmatic about things like King James Only scriptures
fail to reconcile that this version is just another version of
scriptures. To say that the King James Version is the only version
people should respect is ignorant of its history and the very reason
it was made in the first place in respect to the Geneva Bible and
Calvin’s margin notes that inspired a power thirsty tyrant to
authorize a version of scriptures with his name on it. The view that
we should only use the KJV scriptures is harmful to the growth of the
individual in my opinion when scriptures says:

(RNKJV) http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip
Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of YHWH is with us?
Lo, certainly the lying pen of the scribes hath made it falsehood.

The very scriptures themselves confess that the scribes have made the
truth a lie.

This same hard headedness is found in the counterpart to the
“Fundamentalist”, the atheist. While one is dogmatic in their
insistence that everybody not using the KJV scriptures is going to
hell, the atheist is dogmatic in something they have no proof about,
that there is no Almighty creating spirit.

Atheist can spout off things they learned from other people just as
Christian do and they both limit the amount of sources they obtain
information from. While Christians will say the KJV is the word of
GOD, atheist are dogmatic about trolling and parroting different
theories that attempt to compete even if they have been shown to be
false and full of faulty information dependant on the sources. The
only real difference is they believe opposing viewpoints.

"I am not discouraged, because every wrong attempt discarded is
another step forward."
—THOMAS EDISON

Tony Robbins in his book, Awaken the Giant Within said, “There is one
final impediment to really utilizing the power of decision. That is
that we must overcome our fears of making the wrong decisions. Without
a doubt, you will make wrong decisions in your life. You're going to
screw up! I know I certainly haven't made all the right decisions
along the way. Far from it. But I didn't expect to. Nor will I always
make the right decisions in the future. I have determined that no
matter what decisions I make, I'll be flexible, look at the
consequences, learn from them, and use those lessons to make better
decisions in the future.

Remember: Success truly is the result of good judgment.

Good judgment is the result of experience, and experience is often the
result of bad judgment! Those seemingly bad or painful experiences are
sometimes the most important. When people succeed, they tend to party;
when they fail, they tend to ponder, and they begin to make new
distinctions that will enhance the quality of their lives. We must
commit to learning from our mistakes, rather than beating ourselves
up, or we're destined to make the same mistakes again in the future.”

(Snow) We need to stop being afraid of information that comes from
other sources and learn from mistakes. As technology grows and
understanding of the truth grows deeper, we should be ready to and
willing to adapt and learn, otherwise were never going to live up to
the perfection that is taught by our Messiah.

When we attain that perfection, truly nothing will be impossible but
until we can set aside irrational fear of competing ideas, we can
never grow.

Even the King James Version has been updated and modernized and the
KJV we use today is not the version originally issued back in 1611
that included the Apocrypha. We should not be afraid to update and
correct historical errors that are written into scriptures that have
many pagan references and speak of non-existent mythical creatures
like Unicorns. We do not worship a book, which is idolatry; we
worship the author of that book YHWH.

Atheists who stalk believers only highlight their fear and illustrate
their self knowledge that they are wrong at the core of their beings,
they know it and that is what drives them, fear. They are not stupid
but they do show evidence of the axiom, “Misery loves company”!

Mat 15:13 But He answering, said, “Every plant which My heavenly
Father has not planted shall be uprooted.
Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”

Every false belief will be uprooted and if mine were such, it would be
too and my posting would be simple vanity, my many detractors might be
correct but the issue is, who are they to make that choice? I’ve
learned many things speaking to the people that disagree with me
because my journey is about growth, clarity and truth and my worship
in the spirit of that truth which is in YHWH.

Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)

Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/

Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Footnote: Verses 24 to 26 is the Priestly Blessing.

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http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
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Do you feel neglected because I did not mention cherry pickers? Oh
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In
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guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> typed:

> -THOMAS EDISON

> �..� �..*��) �..*�)
> (�..� (�.. (Snow(.�..*��)


>
> Respond directly:
> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
>
> Num 6:24 "Yahweh bless you and guard you;
> Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
> Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace." '
> Footnote: Verses 24 to 26 is the Priestly Blessing.
>
> http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download scriptures free
> http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
> download of the Restored Names King James for E-sword

> http://www.e-sword.net/ ? Free bible software

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Just out of curiosity, can you translate and decipher your codes and
arguments for me, in the form of a simple, straightforward paragraph,
to give me a clue as to just what you might be trying to accomplish in
here?

guardian Snow

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On Jul 5, 10:46 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:

> Do you feel neglected because I did not mention cherry pickers? Oh
> sorry... TROLL OFF!!!!!

Hardly. I respect your point of view in fact and thought I would
share my thoughts on the topic. It's good to see you have a sense of
humor about it, take care and be blessed Vera.

Dr. House

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On Jul 5, 5:04 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
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> Just in case people might wonder about my new style . . . .

Heretics Hunting Heretics:
They believe that their belief is better than other people's belief,
and they have the belief to prove it.

Jani

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" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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[]

Never forget that
> this is no conversation between four eyes, and never forget the effect
> your posts can have on the innocent Readers who might want to find
> solutions, answers and a hint of who is who.

Perhaps you should print that out and pin it to your monitor, before you go
on another of your rampages designed to demonstrate that christians are
incoherent, ignorant, intolerant and vindictive?

Jani


Randy �

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT),

In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article
<1b251b2c-0fc9-4e70...@d36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!
guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:


_That_ is correct.


>The NT notion that all members of a congregation should be of �one
>mind�, is short sighted in that growth comes from competing ideas.
>
>Rev 17:13 �They have one mind, and they shall give their power and
>authority to the beast.
>
>If we only went to churches where everybody agreed with every issue
>within the church, none of us would ever go to a church ever!


You quote a verse that single-handedly proves that not all
unity is good unity, as a proof text for uniting with
"brothers or sisters" who reject Christ as the Almighty God?
And the doctrine of Christ we learned is supposed to be a
matter on par with "every [other trivial] issue"?


>I bet
>if we made list of issues that should be taught in the church,
>everybody would come up with their own list and nobody would agree.
>For instance, I do not agree with my Christian brothers that teach we
>have no need to guard the Sabbath. I don�t agree with them on the
>issue that Yehoshua is the Almighty either when scriptures provides
>several comments that indicate he served a deity in the Father.
>
>These different perspectives don�t mean that I don�t love my Christian
>brothers or my Messiah Yehoshua that they call Jesus Christ. I don�t
>even agree with the Roman Paul�s teachings as needed canon that I
>should consider his letters, �the inspired word� but I don�t hate
>Apostle Paul either.


And here we have it. Once again, he has to do away with prime
NT doctrine, before he can float his lies.


>People that are dogmatic about things like King James Only scriptures
>fail to reconcile that this version is just another version of
>scriptures. To say that the King James Version is the only version
>people should respect is ignorant of its history and the very reason
>it was made in the first place in respect to the Geneva Bible and
>Calvin�s margin notes that inspired a power thirsty tyrant to
>authorize a version of scriptures with his name on it. The view that
>we should only use the KJV scriptures is harmful to the growth of the
>individual in my opinion when scriptures says:


It does not follow that if using the KJV isn't a standard for
determining whether someone is your brother in Christ, then
neither is whether they reject Christ as Almighty God, or
Paul's writings as Scripture.


>(RNKJV) http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip
>Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of YHWH is with us?
>Lo, certainly the lying pen of the scribes hath made it falsehood.
>
>The very scriptures themselves confess that the scribes have made the
>truth a lie.


It doesn't say that the scribes whom God used to write the
Bible have made the truth a lie! If that were the case, we
couldn't believe this verse you've quoted, or any other
Scripture.


>This same hard headedness is found in the counterpart to the
>�Fundamentalist�, the atheist. While one is dogmatic in their
>insistence that everybody not using the KJV scriptures is going to
>hell, the atheist is dogmatic in something they have no proof about,
>that there is no Almighty creating spirit.


ibid.


>Atheist can spout off things they learned from other people just as
>Christian do and they both limit the amount of sources they obtain
>information from. While Christians will say the KJV is the word of
>GOD, atheist are dogmatic about trolling and parroting different
>theories that attempt to compete even if they have been shown to be
>false and full of faulty information dependant on the sources. The
>only real difference is they believe opposing viewpoints.


ibid.


>"I am not discouraged, because every wrong attempt discarded is
>another step forward."
>�THOMAS EDISON
>
>Tony Robbins in his book, Awaken the Giant Within said, �There is one
>final impediment to really utilizing the power of decision. That is
>that we must overcome our fears of making the wrong decisions. Without
>a doubt, you will make wrong decisions in your life. You're going to
>screw up! I know I certainly haven't made all the right decisions
>along the way. Far from it. But I didn't expect to. Nor will I always
>make the right decisions in the future. I have determined that no
>matter what decisions I make, I'll be flexible, look at the
>consequences, learn from them, and use those lessons to make better
>decisions in the future.
>
>Remember: Success truly is the result of good judgment.
>
>Good judgment is the result of experience, and experience is often the
>result of bad judgment! Those seemingly bad or painful experiences are
>sometimes the most important. When people succeed, they tend to party;
>when they fail, they tend to ponder, and they begin to make new
>distinctions that will enhance the quality of their lives. We must
>commit to learning from our mistakes, rather than beating ourselves

>up, or we're destined to make the same mistakes again in the future.�

On the other hand, we don't have to personally experience
doing the wrong thing, and go ahead and taste of the forbidden
fruit, in order to become wise and discern between right and
wrong, if we already have God telling us in His word (Genesis
1-3).

>(Snow) We need to stop being afraid of information that comes from
>other sources and learn from mistakes. As technology grows and
>understanding of the truth grows deeper, we should be ready to and
>willing to adapt and learn, otherwise were never going to live up to
>the perfection that is taught by our Messiah.


ibid. Is it not desirable fruit, to make one wise? Don't be
afraid to eat of the forbidden fruit, it will make you wise!
(Satan)


>When we attain that perfection, truly nothing will be impossible but
>until we can set aside irrational fear of competing ideas, we can
>never grow.


ibid. I've heard enough to discern you're leading us down the
wrong path.

dolf

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Oh look he talks as well!

- dolf

Dr. House

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On Jul 5, 5:16 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> > TORPEDOING the Christian
> > faith
[...]
> Correct.

Heretics Hunting Heretics:
All the indignation and self-righteousness of a Medieval Inquisition
only without being orthodox.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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Sorry I did not count you in...

TROLL OFF!!!


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Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:

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TROLL OFF!!!


In news:h2q9cl$t3n$1...@energise.enta.net,
Jani <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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Jani

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"Dr. House" <hso...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Can you imagine living under a theocracy run by these people? It's the stuff
of nightmare.

Jani

Jani

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So you *do* want to prove that christians are incoherent, ignorant,
intolerant and vindictive. Why is that, Vera? Even the militant atheists
don't present christianity in such a bad light as you do.

Jani


" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message

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::: Jesus is LORD :::

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Jani <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:

You will not have to, do not be afraid. You will be where you chose to
be: in hell.


> Jani


And now troll off!!!

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF!!!

In news:h2qc9r$12br$1...@energise.enta.net,
Jani <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:

Sensi

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::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
> Just in case people might wonder about my new style how to deal with
> usenet trolls and my telling them to TROLL OFF...
>
> I really do not want to lose all my energy

Sensi:
It does take a lot of energy to keep that fire going even in
a negative light. It's a lot of *work* to work against
peoples enlightenments. All of life is a book and we're not
all on the same page...
No one can change what others have come to know, you can't
change knowledge but you can grow in it and with it. Lets
just hope that people encourage each other to learn and
share to help others keep turning the pages of life.

Sensi


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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:19:47 +0200,
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <7bbr43F...@mid.individual.net>,
Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!

" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:


>In news:h2qbt3$11il$1...@energise.enta.net,
>Jani <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
>> "Dr. House" <hso...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1d608e8b-3a08-4096...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 5, 5:16 am, Randy � <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> TORPEDOING the Christian
>>>>> faith
>>> [...]
>>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> Heretics Hunting Heretics:
>>> All the indignation and self-righteousness of a Medieval Inquisition
>>> only without being orthodox.
>>
>> Can you imagine living under a theocracy run by these people? It's
>> the stuff of nightmare.
>
>You will not have to, do not be afraid. You will be where you chose to
>be: in hell.


Not to mention that the Bible shows the world governments she
feigns to represent, _are_ heading towards the nightmare of a
Christian persecuting, false theocracy, headed by Anti-Christ
(Revelation).

Fred A Stover

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Amen!


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I don't represent any 'world governments', Randy. What on earth are you
talking about?

Jani

Randy ®

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On Jul 5, 11:17 am, "Jani" <j...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote:
> "Randy ®" <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:4qg1551mao3voh3cm...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:19:47 +0200,
> >  In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> >  Article <7bbr43F22pij...@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!
> >  " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> >>Innews:h2qbt3$11il$1...@energise.enta.net,
> >>Jani <j...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
> >>> "Dr. House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:1d608e8b-3a08-4096...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> On Jul 5, 5:16 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> [...]
> >>>>>> TORPEDOING the Christian
> >>>>>> faith
> >>>> [...]
> >>>>> Correct.
>
> >>>> Heretics Hunting Heretics:
> >>>> All the indignation and self-righteousness of a Medieval Inquisition
> >>>> only without being orthodox.
>
> >>> Can you imagine living under a theocracy run by these people? It's
> >>> the stuff of nightmare.
>
> >>You will not have to, do not be afraid. You will be where you chose to
> >>be: in hell.
>
> > Not to mention that the Bible shows the world governments she
> > feigns to represent, _are_ heading towards the nightmare of a
> > Christian persecuting, false theocracy, headed by Anti-Christ
> > (Revelation).
>
> I don't represent any 'world governments', Randy. What on earth are you
> talking about?

Notice, you don't dispute the Bible fact that the world governments
_are_ heading towards the nightmare of a christian persecuting, false
"theocracy" headed by Anti-Christ. You simply deny that you represent
"any" world governments.

Yet by what standard have you continuously sought to _falsely_
incriminate people like Dave, other than secular law?

Matt

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Sounds like Vera wants to Bring back how it was in the years of the
Griz Cult, The Building Crew, The fellowship, Don't know their new
name. Vera and her gang have been trying for years to keep this NG
from being a positive example of Christian Life. They at one time
wanted ACC for their private Church.

You agree with them or you are a heretic or blasphemer. The
definition of such things for her group to decide.

Readers if you watch Vera's as she does this you will notice that it
is many times not the post that she attacks but the poster. BTW to
see this you would have to come to ""alt.christnet.christianlife""

Think if you do you will have a eye opener.

Just a last warning be very careful with giving out any personal
information either in post or private e-mail.

God Bless

Matt

Randy ®

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On the contrary:

1) Instead of tangling up with you people, now she's simply saying
"Troll Off". You'd think you'd appreciate that, if you don't want to
get into it with her.

2) We know from experience that the "Griz Cult", "Building Crew", and
all the other labels you make, actually mean, "I Will Rebel Against
That Scripture!".

Matt

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No I don't follow her from thread to thread.

>
>2) We know from experience that the "Griz Cult", "Building Crew", and
>all the other labels you make, actually mean, "I Will Rebel Against
>That Scripture!".

No it means I serve Christ not Pope Vera.

Matt


>
>
>>�Don't know their new

guardian Snow

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Wonderfully put Sensi.

Expect the best. Prepare for the worst. Capitalize on what comes.
Zig Ziglar

Yahweh gave you a mind and along with that he gave us the power of
choice.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that
I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore
choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

We can jump off the bridge with “one mind”:

Rev 17:13 “They have one mind, and they shall give their power and
authority to the beast.

Or we can think with this mind that we have been given and we can
discern the truth:
Pro 19:25 Beat a scoffer, and the simple is made wise; And reprove one
who has understanding, And he discerns knowledge.

Eze 44:23 “And they are to teach My people the difference between the
set-apart and the profane, and cause them to discern what is unclean
and clean.

Simply put, when I make one of my many mistakes, please correct me
publically so that others might learn and let’s discuss the issue
together as brothers but not being of the One minded Lemmings jumping
off the cliff together. Turn me if I’m heading for danger, the
possibilities are there:

Eze 21:21 “For the sovereign of Baḇel shall stand at the parting of
the way, at the fork of the two ways, to practise divination. He shall
shake the arrows, he shall ask the household idols, he shall look at
the liver.

At the fork of two ways (A CHOICE) we have the “sovereign of Babel”
shaking the arrows before us. Rather than being of “one mind”, let us
be many minds working together to find the right way, which is
straight ahead.

How would we know there is a problem if we don't listen?

Shalom,
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)

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or
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
download of the Restored Names King James Version

guardian Snow

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You evil blasphemer, how dare you speak out.. :) [just kidding] Hope
life is treating you well Matt.

Matt

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Life is treating me well. Kids home from college for a few weeks.
Wife taking them shopping Hmmmm not sure how I feel about that ;-))

Going up to my mountain spot for a while a great place to reflect and
Pray.

Hope all is well with you.

God Bless

Matt

dolf

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Incoherence and incontinence?

Clearly they mean me harm and do not view me as brother in my
Judaeo-Christian religious belief.

dolf wrote:
> Oh look he talks as well!
>
> - dolf
>
> Randy � wrote:

dolf

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Incoherence and incontinence?

Clearly they mean me harm and do not view me as brother in my
Judaeo-Christian religious belief.

Has anyone else noticed the slander and stooged results of Google
searches on the name 'dolf' or 'dolf boek'?

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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In news:fhp155ttphrmtfsgu...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdell1234@ns%gmail.com> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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Matt

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:53:23 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

>TROLL OFF!!!

LOL The Cult strikes again. Maybe I should say MOO OFF as in put
down that bottle of Mad Dog.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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In news:4qg1551mao3voh3cm...@4ax.com,
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> typed:

Yes, and she is one of those who allows the devil to use her as his
vehicle.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF, INSTIGATOR!!!

In news:7kk1551cah6atb4bp...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdell1234@ns%gmail.com> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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In
news:aee0477d-625c-4f0d...@o7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> typed:

I think a heart-felt "TROLL OFF" for them is what is fitting best and
what is all they deserve. May God give me the power not to give them any
more attention than that, which is actually more than they deserve.

> 2) We know from experience that the "Griz Cult", "Building Crew", and
> all the other labels you make, actually mean, "I Will Rebel Against
> That Scripture!".

Correct!

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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In news:hvl155ljemjqsqnd4...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdell1234@ns%gmail.com> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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Yes, Matt is evil. A really bad and evil lying bully.

In
news:93da12c3-d40c-4faa...@12g2000pri.googlegroups.com,
guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> typed:

Jani

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"Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Of course I do. I don't 'represent world governments', and you're not making
any sense.


> Yet by what standard have you continuously sought to _falsely_
> incriminate people like Dave, other than secular law?

Uhm, anyone who states that they reject the law incriminates *themselves*,
Randy.

Jani

Jani

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"Matt" <trdell1234@ns%gmail.com> wrote in message
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And be careful who you email, in case other people find out and go into a
fit of rabid jealousy ;)

Jani

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF!!!

GO BACK TO YOUR PAGAN OR WICCAN GROUP!!!

In news:h2r1bo$288r$1...@energise.enta.net,
Jani <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:

Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted

Jani

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"Diana" <shech...@reborn.com> wrote in message
news:7bchg2F2...@mid.individual.net...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>
>
>
> "Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:h2r1gt$28i0$1...@energise.enta.net...

> LOL still waiting for that "chapter" to open. :-D

"everything comes to those who wait" ;-)

Jani


>
>

Matt

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:04:09 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

>Yes, Matt is evil. A really bad and evil lying bully.

Please show your proof Vera Six.

Matt

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:49:31 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

The above is good advice Vera Six.

Just telling the Truth Vera Six.

Troll Off Vera's new Cult phrase.

Matt


"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins."

Matt

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:13:13 +0100, "Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk>
wrote:


Yes good advice.

r m

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On Jul 5, 10:04 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>

I understand that the divisions Paul had in mind here, was the tension
between Judaizers and Gentiles. I.e.

"The only possibility of tension within the church is [that] the
Gentile members began to adopt an air superiority over their brethren
of Jewish origin" FF Bruce p.297.

"There are two identifications [of the false teachers] that have the
most support are (1) gnostic libertines and (2) Judaizers. We know
that Jewish-orientated teachers plagued Paul throughout his ministry,
the later suggestion has the most to commend it." Moo p.929.

"Very many interpreters have assumed that they must be Judaizers.
Some partristic writers were inclined - and in this they have been
followed by a good many recent scholars - to see Jews or Judaizers
under every bed" Cranfield p.801.

E.g.: In my church, there's a chap who is inclined towards following
some OT laws, which is raising some concern to the church leadership
as it may influence other church members.

Cheers.


>
> --
>
> ___________________________________________________
> http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de
> http://the-beauty-of-the-psalms.blogspot.com
> http://jesus-christ-is-my-lord-and-my-god.blogspot.com
> http://bible-prophecy-and-revelation.blogspot.com/

Hampshire Pig

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::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
> In news:h2qbt3$11il$1...@energise.enta.net,
> Jani <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
>> "Dr. House" <hso...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:1d608e8b-3a08-4096...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 5, 5:16 am, Randy � <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> TORPEDOING the Christian
>>>>> faith
>>> [...]
>>>> Correct.
>>> Heretics Hunting Heretics:
>>> All the indignation and self-righteousness of a Medieval Inquisition
>>> only without being orthodox.
>> Can you imagine living under a theocracy run by these people? It's
>> the stuff of nightmare.
>
> You will not have to, do not be afraid. You will be where you chose to
> be: in hell.

"Tis NOT for you to say, witch !

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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In news:917255tk2h6nhdf3t...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdell1234@ns%gmail.com> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF, INSTIGATOR!!!

In news:0b725513ahgd5qo73...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdell1234@ns%gmail.com> typed:

TROLL OFF, INSTIGATOR!!!


Randy �

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:10:28 +0100,
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <h2r1bo$288r$1...@energise.enta.net>,
Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!
"Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote:


That's just it. Who "states" they "reject" the law, and what
impression are you trying to convey with that statement?


>Jani

Rod

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Jani wrote:
>
>
> "Dr. House" <hso...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1d608e8b-3a08-4096...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 5, 5:16 am, Randy � <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>> > TORPEDOING the Christian
>>> > faith
>> [...]
>>> Correct.
>>
>> Heretics Hunting Heretics:
>> All the indignation and self-righteousness of a Medieval Inquisition
>> only without being orthodox.
>
> Can you imagine living under a theocracy run by these people? It's the
> stuff of nightmare.

From what I've seen so far, NO WAY ! It isn't going to happen !

Randy �

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:27:19 -0700 (PDT),

In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article
<d447fd6a-9f59-4c3c...@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!
r m <roy...@gmail.com> wrote:


There's a verse of Scripture where Paul said Christ "loved me
and gave himself for me." Does that mean Paul is the only
person Christ loved and gave himself for?

Thus, does it follow that just because the epistles mention
the example of Judaizers and Gnostics, that therefore, unless
someone is an exact clone of Biblical Judaizers or Gnostics,
these passages therefore do not apply to them? Or is that
even what you were suggesting?

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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I forgot to mention you, Roy. Sorry. TROLL OFF!!!

In
news:d447fd6a-9f59-4c3c...@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.com,
r m <roy...@gmail.com> typed:

>> http://bible-prophecy-and-revelation.blogspot.com/Sorry I forgot to
>> mention you, Roy. TROLL OFF, INSTIGATOR!!!


Rod

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Jani wrote:
> So you *do* want to prove that christians are incoherent, ignorant,
> intolerant and vindictive. Why is that, Vera? Even the militant atheists
> don't present christianity in such a bad light as you do.
>
> Jani
>
>

It seems that it matters little in the light of who really
particpates on usenet. Most real gentile Christians have been
given an idea by others as to what manner of people call themselves
Christians that reside on usenet, so you may not see a true follower
of Christ among these groups.

I dare to say that what you may be looking at are the kinds of people
that will be solely responsible for bringing down persecution on
themselves and obediant Christians, which may not amount at first
to any more than reprisals for horrid treatment at their hands.

But just as it always seems to go, their is that "bad apple" in the
crowd that wants to take it all the way.

But the fact remains that Christ came ONLY for the jews, and nothing
I've seen so far directly refutes His own words to NOT go among the
Gentiles.

So, if they want to believe they are going to heaven alone, let them
believe it ! Nothing like a good SHOCK to awaken someone, eh ?

Matt

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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:41:28 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

>TROLL OFF!!!
>
>In news:917255tk2h6nhdf3t...@4ax.com,
>Matt <trdell1234@ns%gmail.com> typed:
>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:04:09 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>> <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Matt is evil. A really bad and evil lying bully.
>>
>> Please show your proof Vera Six.

What no proof? Again Vera six is a liar.

Matt

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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:42:29 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:


Just handing out advice Vera Six.

BTW readers this person telling everyone to "Troll Off" Claims to be
a X Witch.

Rod

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If you haven't seen it already, they've been successful. They've
demonstrated some of the worst that the faith has to offer, and it
would be no surprise if persecution begins at any point.

Matt

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On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:30:36 -0500, Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Think it already has and with a surprise new member.

God Bless

Matt

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF !!!

In news:7bchfsF...@mid.individual.net,
Diana <shech...@reborn.com> typed:
> X-No-Archive: Yes


>
> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:16c522c3-62b1-4264...@h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 5, 7:04 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>

> Correct.
>
>
> ---))) Incorrect.


Jani

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"Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:b1b255hp6kgno9f2j...@4ax.com...

You asked what the standard was for people to be 'incriminated' other than
the secular law. What else do you expect them to be 'incriminated' by, the
magic of Narnia?

Jani

I

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"Jani" wrote:

>> Heretics Hunting Heretics:
>> All the indignation and self-righteousness of a Medieval Inquisition
>> only without being orthodox.
>
> Can you imagine living under a theocracy run by these people? It's the
> stuff of nightmare.


We wouldn't be living but BBQ'd!


r m

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On Jul 6, 8:49 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:27:19 -0700 (PDT),
> In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> Article
> <d447fd6a-9f59-4c3c-a14a-27451b04a...@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
> Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!

In a way it depends how we consider context.

Don Carson used to quote his missionary dad "a text without a context
becomes a proof-text for a pre-text" in the sense to acknowledge the
writer's intent before we bring something to it - i.e let the text
speak for itself on its own terms (as it were). In a recent exchange
on 2Tim 3:16, Chuck argued that God-breathed transcend scripture above
all that.

I have no probs with your Gal 2 example, and one can think of more
personal ones like "when you come, bring the cloak that I left with
Carpus at Troas, also the books, and above all the parchments". Their
insight to that man serves as examples for us to follow (see e.g. 1Cor
11:1 or 2Thes 3:9) or at least be enboldened by the depth and strength
of his faith (e.g. Phil 4:11 on being content).

Cheers.

Randy ®

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On Jul 5, 7:09 pm, "Jani" <j...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote:
> "Randy ®" <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b1b255hp6kgno9f2j...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:10:28 +0100,
> >  In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> >  Article <h2r1bo$288...@energise.enta.net>,
> >  Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!


So you're not going to answer the question then?

Randy ®

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Actually, it's the world government, under the revived Roman empire,
which will be the beast that forces you to receive it's mark, worship
and abide by the "theocracy" of the "Anti-Christ", practice it's
religion, and which will behead or BBQ you if you don't comply (Dan.
2; 7; Rev.).

I

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" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wroteth:

> Just in case people might wonder about my new style how to deal with
> usenet trolls and my telling them to TROLL OFF...

"TROLL OFF!" is Vera Six's Christianese for "Go forth and multiply!"


> So many people just come here for TROLLING

Vera Six (aka " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com>), Randy, Chuck,
Pasta Dave

########################################

VERA SIX FAQ

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WHO is Vera Six ?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com

She is characterised by the following:
- an extreme lack of rationality
- fondness of logical fallacies
- repeated use of emotional appeals
- rigid adherence to Bronze Age mythology
- endorsement of pseudoscientific nonsense
- bigotry and discriminatory attitudes towards minority groups
- propensity to post Bible verses instead of valid argument.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What's wrong with Vera Six ?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

She appears to be as happy as if she were in her right mind.

She has the following unfortunate features:

- a distrust and fear of freedom
- a belief in the importance of authority and in controlling what people
believe
- a corre�sponding preference for obedience rather than love
- a desire to give people what they want rather than the truth
- a refusal to allow themselves to be in the least disconcerted when
confronted with the true nature of their fundamentalist religion
- a readiness to persecute and exclude anyone who is of a different
persuasion.

She prefers authority, obedience, and conformity over freedom, truth, and
dissent.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is Vera Six part of the Griz cult?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes. Key Characteristics of the Griz cult are [adapted from Joanne Ruhland
1995]:

- Content Which Is Authoritarian
- Indoctrinates / clones
- Unquestioning obedience / Leaders do not discuss questions
- Love and loyalty are the bottom line
- Indoctrination /Leaders' conclusions must be accepted.
- Emphasis on uniformity
- Elitist / accepts SOME Christians
- Hidden agenda
- Manipulates
- Leaders "lord" it over the flock
- Results in conformity, rigidity
- Allows one avenue of service ... serving their group
- Individual is responsible to leaders
- Leaders tell individual what God's will is
- Analytical thinking hindered
- Simplistic approach to life
- Pick your own bible verse to lead you / Choices must conform to leaders'
dictates, leaders' approval

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How does Vera Six forgive those who sin against hyer?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The bible says in Matthew 18:21-22 " Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord,
how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven
times?" Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up
to seventy times seven.

So if someone sins against Vera Six she makes sure she follows this verse
exactly and keeps a ....

TREW KRISTYUN FORGIVEN SIN TALLY

70 times 7 minus 1 for today = 489 times left ...and counting.

That way Vera Six knows exactly when she can hit others with her steel
encased KJV bible on the other cheek without sinning.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How does one translate from Ranting Vera Sixian Trew Kristyun to Plain
English?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

TROLL OFF! - Go forth and multiply!

You are a heretic - I don't agree with you

You are satan - I *really* don't agree with you

You support heretics - You are a friend to people on the fringe and show
compassion and love

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Who are Vera Six's beast fiends?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All Trew Kristyuns, rabid funnyMENTALists, Grizian thugs, Fundy Nutcases,
and other assorted Woohoo Wankers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What is Vera Six 's favourite bible verse?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark 17:666 (Trew Kristyun Version )

A new Trew Kristyun commandment I give unto you, That you luv one another as
long as they are Trew Kristyuns ... hunt out the other heretical buggers in
a Trew Kristyun Inquisition and burn them alive at the stake ... in Trew
Kristyun luv.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How does Vera Six discern if people are Trew Kristyuns?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

She knows who are Trew Kristyuns by their plonk.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Should one respond to Vera Six's rants?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is not polite to greet someone who is making water or discharging his
bowels." (Erasmus in Colloquia) ...however it is advised that one answers
with the following Trew Kristyun Flame Template .....

**************************************************************************

Dear Trew Kristyun Vera

Kissy kissy! Now you pucker up and greet me with a kiss. (Romans 6:16;
1Corinthians 16:20; 2 Corinthians13:12; I Thessalonians 5:26; 1 Peter 5:14.)

I am refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view. You make silence
a wonderful thing to look forward to. However I took exception to your
recent scribble

It was:
[X] backmasked with Satanic messages
[X] Pagan
[X] New Age
[X] unChristian
[X] Secular Humanist
[X] written in King James English
[X] written in tongues and did not include the interpretation

Your attention is drawn to the fact that:
[X] You flamed the Archbishop of Canterbury
[X] You flamed the Pope
[X] You flamed God
[X] You contradicted Jesus
[X] You contradicted yourself several times
[X] You mindlessly chanted the Pente Mantra several times
[X] You repeatedly assumed unwarranted spiritual, moral or intellectual
superiority

It is recommended that you:
[X] Buy an indulgence from me.
[X] Send me a triple tithe.
[X] Do penance.
[X] Devote your life to missionary work in Iraq and Afghanistan.
[X] Start up a Christian Clown Ministry
[X] Start up a Kristyun Skool

QUESTIONS TO UNDERSTAND YOU BETTER:

[X] Jesus said in Matthew 5:42, "Give to him that asketh thee, and from
him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away." May I have your house
and car and may I borrow your most prized possession?
[X] Can I have your car after the Rapture?
[X] Have you ever sinned by eating rabbit, pork, shellfish (Leviticus 11:4,
7, 10)?
[X] Have you ever sinned by wearing clothes made of two types of material
(Leviticus 19:19; Deuteronomy 22:11)?
[X] Have you ever sinned by cutting your hair (Leviticus 19:27)?
[X] Were you in the special class at school?
[X] Are you from the shallow end of the gene pool?
[X] Do you want fries with that?

Please save this message and review it occasionally to determine your
progress toward being;

[X] a tolerable Trew Kristyun
[X] a fully-functional human being
[X] integrated into humanity
[X] re-integrated into the wild

If what you don't know can't hurt you, you're practically invulnerable.

Thank you for taking the time to read this flame form.

Deuteronomy 23:12 -13 "You are to have a place outside the camp where you
can go when you need to relieve yourselves. Carry a stick as a part of your
equipment, so when you have a bowel movement you can dig a hole and cover it
up."

**********************************************************************
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How should I dress for Vera Six's Fundie Inquisition?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Vera Six will dress you in a san benito, a coroza , a rope
around your neck, and give you a yellow wax candle to carry in your hand .
The san benito is a penitential garment or tunic of yellow cloth reaching
down to the knees, and on it is painted a picture of you, burning in the
flames, with figures of dragons and devils in the act of fanning the flames.
The coroza is a pasteboard cap, three feet high, and ending in a point. On
it are likewise painted crosses, flames, and devils. It is customary to add
long twisted tails to the corozas . Some lucky buyers will have gags in
their mouths, of which a number is kept in reserve in case the HERETICKS, as
they march along in public, should become outrageous, insult the tribunal,
or attempt to reveal any secrets.

This costume indicates that you, the wearer, is to be burnt alive as an
incorrigible HERETICK.

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Compiled July 2009, during Vera Six's Ranting Crusade of July 2009.

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Randy ®

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On Jul 5, 7:33 pm, "I" <Iam@home0000391> wrote:
> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wroteth:

>
> > Just in case people might wonder about my new style how to deal with
> > usenet trolls and my telling them to TROLL OFF...
>
> "TROLL OFF!" is Vera Six's Christianese for "Go forth and multiply!"
>
> > So many people just come here for TROLLING
>
> Vera Six (aka " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>), Randy, Chuck,

> Pasta Dave
>
> ########################################
>
> VERA SIX FAQ
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> WHO is Vera Six ?
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>
> ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com


Actually, all of that is just code talk for "Scripture I will rebel
against!"

Matt

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Randy I'm not saying your wrong here but could you provide more
evidence that it will be the revived Roman empire. I have heard some
who think it will be a Evangelist. Like Benny Hinn ECT.. That name
was just for a example.

Matt


Randy �

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On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:38:48 -0800,
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <mnh255ph505uhq22q...@4ax.com>,
Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!
Matt <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:


Well, there will be the Beast (Revived Roman empire), the
False prophet (the one who persuades people to worship the
beast), and the Anti-Christ (the prince of the revived Roman
Empire). The Anti-Christ ("man of sin": 2 Thess. 2), could
well be some well known religious figure like the pope.

That the Revived Roman empire will be the beast, however,
seems evident, from such facts as that the image of the man in
Daniel 2, which shows the successive world kingdoms leading up
to Christ's return, has the kingdom succeeding Greece being
the one Christ's kingdom will destroy when He comes to set it
up.

The vision of the beasts in Daniel 7 do the same thing, and
are again referred to in Revelation, as describing the beast
of the Tribulation.

--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).

Jani

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"I" <Iam@home0000389> wrote in message news:4a51411a$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

Good point. May I recommend Good Omens, at this point, if you haven't read
it yet? Some useful advice for those sent to the pyre ;)

Jani

Rod

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Jul 5, 2009, 9:45:32 PM7/5/09
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? ....?

>
> God Bless
>
> Matt

Jani

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"Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:71128f10-12d7-4548...@g19g2000yql.googlegroups.com...

Randy, if someone incriminates themselves, they do so according to the
standard set by the law. That's what 'incriminate' means.

Jani


::: Jesus is LORD ::: <

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::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:


I am heartily sorry for my insulting behavior, and I apologize to
all, knowing that my attitude conveys militant hatred towards other not
recognizing me as the ultimate authority on who is saved, as well as a
confession to being a FASCIST, such as my idol and mentor, Hitler.

Anyone believing my words will be my friend whom I will take under
my tutelage, and others not accepting them as truth will be lined up
against a wall and shot at my leisure, of course !

::: Jesus is LORD ::: <

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Matt wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:42:29 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
> <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

::: Jesus is LORD ::: <

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::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
FUCK OFF, everyone !

::: Jesus is LORD ::: <

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::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
> Yes, Matt is evil. A really bad and evil lying bully.

I am heartily sorry for my insulting behavior, and I apologize to

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF !!!

In news:uid255pa3b9t7ac43...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdell1234@ns%gmail.com> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF !!!

In news:hkd2551fci7jvpgk8...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdell1234@ns%gmail.com> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF !!!

In news:h2rdao$a1f$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF !!!


In news:o1e255loda0plvoun...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdell1234@ns%gmail.com> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF !!!

In news:mnh255ph505uhq22q...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdel...@gmail.com> typed:

Matt

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On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:55:08 -0500, Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com>
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Thank you Randy

Matt

I

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CORRECT!

Amen!!!!

"Ein Reich! Ein Fuehrer Griz! Ein Griz Cult!"

Matt

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On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:45:32 -0500, Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Pastor Dave. Just look at his replies to me and his new threads.


>
>
>
>>
>> God Bless
>>
>> Matt

Matt

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So Vera Six you are telling me to troll Off for asking a question of
Randy. He did answer and I thank him for that.

Vera you even look like a Troll in drag.

Matt

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF, FALSIFIER!!!

In news:4a51...@dnews.tpgi.com.au,
I <Iam@home0000394> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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TROLL OFF, BULLYING LIAR !!!

In news:2gr255p1d5uj960em...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdel...@gmail.com> typed:

Randy �

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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 04:47:52 +0200,
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <7bd6ugF...@mid.individual.net>,
Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!

" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:


>> BTW readers this person telling everyone to "Troll Off" Claims to be
>> a X Witch.


How does that rank to a current "pagan"?

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:22:06 +0100,
In newsgroup "uk.religion.pagan",
Article <gt86jh$10v2$1...@energise.enta.net>,
"Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote:
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just fuck off.

Jani
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Randy �

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On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:12:29 -0500,
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <h2rmq8$nut$3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!

::: Jesus is LORD ::: <"" <veralein\"@lycos.com> wrote:


> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
> FUCK OFF, everyone !


Now that sounds more like Jani:

<<kêllÿ>>

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On Jul 5, 8:56 pm, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:12:29 -0500,
>   In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
>   Article <h2rmq8$nu...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>   Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!
>   ::: Jesus is LORD ::: <"" <veralein\"@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> >  ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
> >  FUCK OFF, everyone !
>
> Now that sounds more like Jani:

It's not. It's Rodney.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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That is not from me but from Rod!

Sorry that I missed mentioning you, Rod: TROLL OFF!!!

In news:h2rmq8$nut$3...@news.eternal-september.org,
::: Jesus is LORD :::" <"" <veralein\ <"" <veralein\"@lycos.com> typed:

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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In news:let2551dok28fslr1...@4ax.com,
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> typed:

> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:12:29 -0500,
> In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> Article <h2rmq8$nut$3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!
> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: <"" <veralein\"@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>
>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> FUCK OFF, everyone !
>
>
> Now that sounds more like Jani:

Correct, and it was NOT written by me. It seems the author of that was
Rod.


> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:22:06 +0100,
> In newsgroup "uk.religion.pagan",
> Article <gt86jh$10v2$1...@energise.enta.net>,
> "Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote:
> **************************************************************
> just fuck off.
>
> Jani
> **************************************************************

Nice lady indeed... and then coming here complaining about people trying
to get rid of the trolls... She is too funny and too dishonest!

<<kêllÿ>>

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On Jul 5, 9:25 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:
> Innews:let2551dok28fslr1...@4ax.com,
> Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> typed:

>
> > On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:12:29 -0500,
> >  In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> >  Article <h2rmq8$nu...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> >  Subject: Re: TROLL OFF!!!
> >  ::: Jesus is LORD ::: <"" <veralein\"@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> >>  ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
> >>  FUCK OFF, everyone !
>
> > Now that sounds more like Jani:
>
> Correct, and it was NOT written by me. It seems the author of that was
> Rod.
>
> > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:22:06 +0100,
> >  In newsgroup "uk.religion.pagan",
> >  Article <gt86jh$10v...@energise.enta.net>,

> >  "Jani" <j...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote:
> > **************************************************************
> > just fuck off.
>
> > Jani
> > **************************************************************
>
> Nice lady indeed... and then coming here complaining about people trying
> to get rid of the trolls... She is too funny and too dishonest!

You lying hypocrite. For three days you have been telling people to
"troll off" - it's beyond obvious that "troll" is just a way for you
to use the f-bomb without actually using it. Now, you can fool
yourself into believing we don't know what you're doing and what
you're really thinking when you say "troll off" - but how stupid do
you think we all are, Vera?

And there's no use in you pretending you're not reading my posts
anymore, because you most certainly are. If you weren't you wouldn't
have just told Randy that Rod is the one posting the f-bomb in your
name - no one else here has said that but me (and you're not bright
enough to know how to figure out for yourself it's really him).

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