winxp to join win98 network - problems
Sean Cleary
I have often found good advice from this group. I am hoping for some
now.
I have a new laptop. It has WinXP on it.
I have a 2 computer and a switch win98 network. I can not see the WinXp
machine; it can not see me when it I try.
I have the workgroups all named the same.
I may have changed some setting or other that will prevent me from
networking.
I have all the gateway settings and port settings at variations on
192.1681.x where x is 1&2 for the older machines and 3 for the LAN 1394
connection. I have a Broadcom 440x 10/100 integrated LAN connection
that has an address of 192.168.0.1.
I really do not know which of these two connections is attached to the
J45 jack, and thereby to the cable to the switch.
The Broadcom connection said that it is repaired. The 1394 connection
said that TCP/IP is not enabled for this connection.
I have modified the 98 machines to have gateways that could use the
addresses of either LAN.
I do not have a network cert., and only completed half of A+ long ago.
XP is mostly new to me
I have tried pinging, I have made a *.bat file that will do that from
dos on the 98 machines. No response.
Please help,
Sean
Michael A. Terrell
Did you create the disk on the XP machine to allow the older
computers to talk to it on your network? When you run the network
wizard on the XP machine it will ask you to make the disk and run it on
any non XP computer.
--
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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Fred the Ferret
"Sean Cleary" <seanea...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have often found good advice from this group. I am hoping for some
> now.
>
> I have a new laptop. It has WinXP on it.
> I have a 2 computer and a switch win98 network. I can not see the
> WinXp machine; it can not see me when it I try.
> I have the workgroups all named the same.
> I may have changed some setting or other that will prevent me from
> networking.
> I have all the gateway settings and port settings at variations on
> 192.1681.x where x is 1&2 for the older machines and 3 for the LAN
> 1394 connection. I have a Broadcom 440x 10/100 integrated LAN
> connection that has an address of 192.168.0.1.
>
> I really do not know which of these two connections is attached to the
> J45 jack, and thereby to the cable to the switch.
>
> The Broadcom connection said that it is repaired. The 1394 connection
> said that TCP/IP is not enabled for this connection.
1394 is a firewire socket, nothing to do with networking.
>
> I have modified the 98 machines to have gateways that could use the
> addresses of either LAN.
>
> I do not have a network cert., and only completed half of A+ long ago.
> XP is mostly new to me
>
> I have tried pinging, I have made a *.bat file that will do that from
> dos on the 98 machines. No response.
>
Have you tried pinging the win98 machines from the laptop? What happens?
What is the subnet setting on the Broadcom connection? Is it 255.255.0.0?
Has the laptop XP got firewall enabled? Do the firewall settings allow the lan
connections?
Sean Cleary
mask is 255.255.255.0
firewalled, will try to find if firewall is OK.
Can not do disk thing: laptop does not have floppie, nor does it
believe that CD writer is a way of writing such a disk.
Thank you for replying.
Sean
Michael A. Terrell
Do both computers have USB ports?
Shade
Try this I find it fixes 98 and XP networking issues.
Install NetBEUI on Windows XP
The files that you need for installing the NetBEUI protocol on Windows
XP are Netnbf.inf and Nbf.sys. To install NetBEUI, follow these steps:
1. Insert your Windows XP CD-ROM in the CD-ROM drive and then locate
the Valueadd\MSFT\Net\NetBEUI folder.
2. Copy the Nbf.sys file to the %SYSTEMROOT%\System32\Drivers folder.
3. Copy the Netnbf.inf file to the %SYSTEMROOT%\Inf hidden folder.
Note To make a hidden folder viewable, follow these steps:
a. Click Start, click Run, type Explorer, and then click OK.
b. Click Tools, click Folder Options, and then click the View tab.
c. Under Advanced Settings, click to select Show hidden files and
folders under the Hidden files and folders Folder.
4. Click Start, click Control Panel, and then double-click Network
Connections.
5. Right-click the adapter you want to add NetBEUI to, and then click
Properties.
6. On the General tab, click Install.
7. Click Protocol, and then click Add.
8. Click to select NetBEUI Protocol from the list and then click OK.
9. Restart your computer if you are prompted to do this.
The NetBEUI protocol is now installed and working.
Fred the Ferret
"Sean Cleary" <seanea...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ping from XP machine likewise times out no response.
>
> mask is 255.255.255.0
Then no wonder the win98 machines won't communicate with it. change it to
255.255.0.0
> firewalled, will try to find if firewall is OK.
For the time being, so long as you are not using the laptop to connect to the
internet, turn it off. Until you can get the machines to ping each other, you
aren't going to get anywhere.
Barry Watzman
systems as long as the 98 systems have TCP/IP installed. In fact, I
remove Netbeui from XP systems when I see it and there is no specific
need for it. [I have 6 computers here, and almost all of them have dual
boot 98 and XP on them]
Sean Cleary
First 255.255.0.0
later maybe NetBeui. Thank you for the detailed instructions on how to
do this.
Actually all 3 computers have USB ports, and I have fastlynx on the two
98 machines.
Should I change the '98 machines to 255.255.0.0 from 255.255.255.0? or
should I just assign addresses that are sequential in the last hex-like
digit?
Sean Cleary
to each other.
Changed just XP to that, changed 98 back, gave sequencial addresses of
192.168.1.x where x-1,2,3,4. 1&2 are the two 98 machines, 3&4 are
resources on the XP machine. 1,2,4 now respond to mutual pings. (now
have a bat file on each machine for this).
Still XP does not show up on the 98 net.
I now have the MS-DOS prompt on the desktop of the XP machine.
Where can I find the equivalent of network neighborhood on XP?
I have posted this plee elsewhere, and they recommended NetB. I may go
there.
Thank you in advance,
Sean
Steven L Umbach
Windows Firewall is disabled assuming it will not put the computer at risk
until the problem is resolved, that Client for Microsoft Networks and file
and print sharing are enabled on the XP computer, and that the server and
workstation services are started on it as shown using services.msc to view
services and their properties.
If you run the command ipconfig /all on the XP computer it will tell you if
netbios over tcp/ip is disabled. When you run the command nbtstat -n on the
XP computer you should see at least three entries for registered names. Also
realize that the list in My Network Places does not populate immediately and
can take maybe up to an hour so shutting down and rebooting computers a lot
can disrupt the process however if you have file and print sharing access to
a computer you should also be able to access it by entering \\computername
or \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx in the run box of the computer you are trying to access
from where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the actual IP address of the computer with the
share. If the XP computer is XP Pro it is possible for security options like
SMB signing to be configured so that a Windows 98 computer can not access
it's file shares though that is not the default configuration. I also
believe there can be a problem if the computer name or share name for the XP
computer is too long. --- Steve
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Fred the Ferret
"Sean Cleary" <seanea...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your XP machine has address 192.168.0.x subnet 25.25.255.0, so it will only
recognise machines with addresses between 192.168.0.1 thru 192.168.0.255. Your
win98 machines have addresses 192.168.1.x, so will not be recognised. You can
change the subnet settings to 255.255.0.0, so the 0\1 numeration isn't a
problem, or maybe easier to just change the laptop to 192.168.1.x
Don't worry about NetBEUI or not NetBEUI until you've sorted out the above and
you can get pings working in both directions. You are pinging using the IP
addresses I presume? Unless you get responses to pings you can't be sure the
problem isn't a faulty network card on the laptop. But as I said before,
firewalls can stop ping traffic, so you have to ensure that isn't the problem
too.
Patty
I have 4 computers sharing a home network using a router. One is Windows
98SE, one is Windows ME and two are Windows XP Pro. They all use
255.255.255.0 for the mask. You need to make sure that file and printer
sharing are enabled on all machines for them to see each other. They all
need to use the same Workgroup name. They all need to have the same
protocol installed, use TCP/IP. If you have XP Pro on the laptop, you can
try enabling simple file sharing just to see if you can make the connection
that way. You said your broadband LAN is using 192.168.0.1 for an IP
address so your other systems should use consective IP addresses such as
192.168.0.2; 192.168.0.3; etc. I'm not familiar with switches, but my
router has DHCP enabled and it sets the IP addresses automatically for all
the systems on the network.
The LAN 1394 is your firewire and you need not be concerned with that.
Good luck.
Patty
Sean Cleary
recognize each other. Laptop is changed to 192.168.1.4. I now, thanks
to the good advice I got here, have mutual pings. The firewall is
disabled. The laptop name has been shortened to "Sean Laptop". I am
still working on some of the other suggestions given.
Sean
Sean Cleary
Keys:
255.255.0.0 on every machine did help
Called my brother and we:
eliminated dial up adapter (driver and tcp/ip) stuff from computer that
was not connected to internet.
found all *host.sam files and added the gateway numbers and names for
each machine
Changed all machine names to a single word.
got a couple of batch files going:
rem this computer is fiona
type id.txt > p.txt
ping 192.168.1.4 /n 2 >> p.txt
ping 192.168.1.2 /n 2 >> p.txt
ping 192.168.1.1 /n 2 >> p.txt
type p.txt | more
where id.txt is
this computer is fiona.
went through the checkoff lists of the network help system (not all
that useful).
Sean
Scotech
Im having a newtworking problem & like you have only done half the A+ ,
Networking aint my strongest suit.
I'll try and explain as best as i can and hope that some of the guys on
here , can help.I have tried everything I can thing off. I got a little
further but still theres one little part of the jigsaw missing.
Is it safe to use just the routers firewall ?
I have 3 pc's networked together pc 1(main/host pc is connected to a
Linksys Befsx41 cable/dsl firewall / router) and mortorola SB5100
surfboard cable modem, .theres also a shared printer connected to pc 1.
pc's 1 & 2 run win xp home (both upraded to latest sp + updates)
pc 3 has win xp proffesional.
the workgroup name is the same for all 3
and i use single word computer names.
the latest scenario is that all 3 can go on the net , all 3 can use the
shared printer , all pc's see each other, pc's 2,3 can swap files beteen
each other no problem.all 3 ping each other ok
and tracert works.
but when either pc 2 or 3 try and access pc 1 , the following error
appears \\pc1\shareddocs is not accessible,you might not have permission
to use this network resource.contact the adminstrator of the server to
find out if you have access permissions.
Not enough server storage space is available to process this command.
However pc 1 sees pc'2 & 3's shares and can even put files in to them
and these show on 2 & 3.
I think theres a sofware setting wrong some where but I just cant find it.
apart from the router firewall , I turned all other firewalls off
thinking it was that.
sometimes I cant even access pc 1' s network share the same message
ap[pears.
Has anyone got any ideas.
I have tried , ping , ipconfig , tracert file & print sharing is enabled
on all pc's , even tried sharing seperate folders on pc 1's drive
to no avail.
would appreciate any help
Rascal
Fred the Ferret
Scotech <cheekiew...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Try this:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308007>
Particularly the 'Troubleshooting file and printer sharing' section.
HTH
Scotech
Many thanks for the link Fred
I have been trawling through support , but as yet , still not
cracked it.
I did find out (as I suspected)
that its pc 1 that has the problem via net user guest
active:yes and checking the nw setup log
it said "old computer name is same as new name - not setting". So
I tried a new setup with a brand new name , but I get the same error.
I can search and connect to the other pc s
shares via run / explorer
but I cant access pc 1 locallly or via pc's 1
or 2.
all the addys seem ok, I can ping every pc to
every other pc and the print share is
fine . Its so frustrating & hard to find
that last piece of this puzzler
file & print sharing are on and
the share folder with network is on too
thanks again , I'll keep lookn
Rascal
Sean Cleary
Some have some variations, but all contain the words "winxp to join
win98 network" in the title. Some of these alternates got good advice,
so go find them.
Sean
Barry Watzman
Then number the last octet (last .0) sequentially, safest to start with
2, the router may use 0 or 1.
Netbeui is not needed on either the 9X or XP machines, however, it's
installed by default on 98 and not installed on XP (while not needed,
it's presence should not keep things from working). In general,
however, I prefer to remove as much "unnecessary junk" as possible. Of
course you do need TCP/IP on all machines.
The equivalent of Network Neighborhood in XP is "My Network Places"