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156 2.0 vs 2.5 V6

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Adam Tomaszewski

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Aug 1, 2002, 6:52:55 AM8/1/02
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Hi, I am going to buy second hand AR 156 (I also consider Volvo S40), it
will be 1998 maybe little newer, but I need an advice. Could you tell me
what are differences beetwen cars with those engines. I mean is it worth to
spend more money for V6 or maybe 2.0 is enough (whats your private
impressions), second, what is durability of that engines (maybe it is better
to chose one of them as a second hand) and what is real fuel consumtion.
Could you advice me some hints what to check, some weak points,
Thanks


Davide Todaro

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Aug 1, 2002, 7:35:03 AM8/1/02
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I first bought a 156 2.0T.S. (1998 - 30.000km), I got tyred of it
performance..., hesitating engine when cold, well I had expected far more
from this 2.0T.S. (155bhp)
but it was limited.... fuel consumption was about 13ltr/100km (mostly
urban), well I wanted a serious bhp upgrade, I tried a No CAT bar,
chiptuning, novitec exhaust, K&n sportsfilter ... this didn't satisfy me
either as it was hardly noticible. Highway it consumes 7ltr/100km.

Then I could do a bargain on an alfa 156 V6 2.5 24v ZENDER concept 48.000km
1998, sold mine as quick as I could and bought the V6, a collegue of my
father had one, and if you've ever driven an alfa V6, you dream of it a lot
:)

The V6 engine seems, 1. better sounding 2. more robust engine, which doesn't
suffer if it's cold, it is alway willing to give power 3. Engine doesn't
suffer from any power dips or what soever. 4. It's an electronic gas pedal,
which is quite good actually, the car couldn't have been revved harder then
7200, it just cuts fuel not the whole engine. 5. I knew urban fuel
consumption was much more, but I couldn't resist the V6, and actually it
even consumes less then on their specs ! I do mostly urban and get
14ltr/100km... it is 1ltr more then the 2.0 and highway 9ltr/100km... 6.
High rev power + you get low end power as a bonus 7. The V6 seems even that
it could handle twice the amount of power that it has, which can't be said
of the 2.0. 8. It's still a real alfa engine apart from te 24v head which
can't be said of the 2.0 FIAT disguised 16v engine... 9. 6 speed gearbox is
alot better then the 5-speed of the 2.0, faster shifting 10. Clutch is a lot
harder :( but better for red-light racing.
10. If power ain't enough of the 2.5ltr you can alway try a squadra chip +
larger intake tubes at a very low cost, or you put in the 3ltr cylinder
units...

If you can aford the V6 2.5 I don't see why one would buy the 2.0T.S.

Only advantage of the 2.0 as they claim is that the car is more balanced,
but I can't remember that my road-handline was better on my 2.0, as far as I
can remember it's the same, I had my 2.0 weight... --> 1360kg !! my V6
weights is 1385kg.... specs provided by alfa is 1250kg and 1320kg.

The V6 is the most durable engine, no doubt in that.... My dealer has some
V6 running (alfa 75 & 164) with more then 250.000km on the counter and they
are still deliviring power as it should be.

Greetz,

Djbase

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James Lucy

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Aug 1, 2002, 3:12:15 PM8/1/02
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Weak points:
-dashboard rattle
-squeaking suspension
-worn steering rack
-worn rear suspension bushes
- 2.0 Twinspark variator (sounds like a diesel at idle)
-rust bubbles on external mirrors
-poor aircon
-seized bolts on air filter housing

Incidentally, I have driven an S40 and in my opinion they are totally
different types of car, to the extent that I can't see how you can be
considering one or the other!

James

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Harp

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Aug 1, 2002, 6:13:18 PM8/1/02
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The aircon is a substandard system. Full stop. HOWEVER, mine is now
performing quite well, as never before (even in temp's of 30C!!!). AFTER a
complete flushing of the compressor gas, vacuuming of the cylinder and then
a top-up; they included an full examination incl. checking of
pressures/leaks. It cost £60 and well worth it.

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Adam Tomaszewski

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Aug 2, 2002, 2:28:27 AM8/2/02
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"James Lucy" <Ja...@Lucy.net> wrote in message
> Incidentally, I have driven an S40 and in my opinion they are totally
> different types of car, to the extent that I can't see how you can be
> considering one or the other!

In my opinion there are quite few cars with sth I call "style". It is no VW,
Fiat, Opel or Ford but Alfa Romeo and i.e. Volvo. I know they are completly
different cars but I can't afford to buy both. So that is my choice.

Adam


Marcin Mazurek

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Aug 2, 2002, 7:16:00 PM8/2/02
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Davide Todaro <dav...@compumania.be> wrote:

> The V6 engine seems


> 2. more robust engine, which doesn't suffer if it's cold, it is alway
> willing to give power

Wish you good luck if you rev V6 when cold.

My advice - do not push it beyond 3krpm until water temp reaches 80C.

No engine, and esp. Alfa engine, likes to be revved before reaching full
working temperature.

M

Davide Todaro

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Aug 3, 2002, 5:58:34 AM8/3/02
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> Davide Todaro <dav...@compumania.be> wrote:
>
> > The V6 engine seems
> > 2. more robust engine, which doesn't suffer if it's cold, it is alway
> > willing to give power
>
> Wish you good luck if you rev V6 when cold.

I know but my engine doesn't hesitate and doesn't let me know he doesn't
want to.

What I especially ment is, the V6 gives his normal power when cold under
3krpm which can't be said of the 2.0T.S.

I don't rev it to the max when it's cold or over 4000rpm.

Greetz,

Djbase

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