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CONTENTS:
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1.0 - Welcome

2.0 - What's New

3.0 - The Charter

4.0 - Frequently Asked Questions.

4.1 What is alt.atheism?

4.2 - What is a atheism?( WIP)
4.2.1 Some definitions

4.3 - History of the NG (WIP)

4.4 - Who are the Key Figures In Atheism (WIP)
4.4.1 Modern Atheists

4.5 Atheism as part of Non-Belief

4.6 Atheism in History

4.7 Common terms

4.8 Where can I find archived messages?

4.9 Who moderates alt.atheism?

5.0 - Contributors

6.0 - Additions / Amendments to the FAQ

1.0 WELCOME
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Welcome to alt.atheism, an open, unmoderated newsgroup
for the discussion of all topics relating to
atheism in an open forum dedicated to
Free Speech and rights for all.

2.0 What's new:
=============

The BAWAA faction have revived their Warlord after a series
of defections and the general decline of the NG for some years now.

Can the rot be stopped?

Ask the new Warlord, Fluffy

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

3.0 THE CHARTER
================

CHARTER: alt.atheism

An unmoderated newsgroup which would provide a
forum for the discussion of all aspects
of atheism.

Possible discussions are, but not limited to:

- Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression(USSR)
- Mao's Great Leap Backwards
- Mao's Cultural Devolution
- Pol Pots Cambodian Genocide
- Nth Korea
- Atheist fundamentalism
- The decline in global Atheism
- Metaphysics.. Just kidding!
- Jesus jokes
- Hard-Core Atheist thuggery
- forging
- Slandering
- Lying
- Pack Hunting
- BAWAA

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.

This group will be unmoderated.
Binary postings, chain letters and unrelated
commercial advertisements are prohibited.

Cross-posting should not be discouraged.

Knowledge is Holistic, Users should exercise their
judgement as to which NGs are relevant

4.0 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
================================

4.1 What is alt.atheism?

alt.atheism is the Internet network news forum
for discussing atheism

4.2 - What is a atheism? ( WIP)

Here are some starting points, feel free to
submit/discuss your own:

4.2.1 Definition

1. "The Doctrine that their is no God"
2. "A Disbelief in the existence of a God (or gods)
3. Godlessness

The Macquarie Dictionary (2nd Revised edition) 1989

4.2.2 Some Individual Perspectives:

Send us your views.

4.2.2.1 Historical Atheism:

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

Atheist States

# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodiaï¿½s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Potï¿½s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg

#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.

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4.3- History of the NG

Achievements:

Goals:

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4.4 - Who are the Key Figures in Atheism (WIP)

4.4.1 Modern Atheists

Lenin

Mao

Stalin

Pol Pot

Kim ill Fuk

Kim ill Suk

Richard Dawkins

Christopher Hitchens

Fluffy the BAWAA Warlord{Snigger)

BAWAA Nights

http://www.computerpranks.com/download/images/sheep_guy.jpg

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4.5 Atheism as a minority sub-group of Non-Belief

# Highlights: US religious majority: 80%
#
# Atheists 2.3% worldwide
# 0.7% in the USA
#
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#

#
# 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST
#
# Atheism is

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4.6 Atheism in History (WIP)

Epicurus

Hypatia

Not Much Happening for millennia

No great and enduring civilisations

@0th Century Atheist States

USSR

Maoist China

Pol Pots Cambodia

Nth Korea

Albania?

Russell

Dawkins

Hitchins

Bus Ads

In May 2009, their support waning and their numbers dwindling
to a mere handful, the BAWAA faction decided to emulate the
historical political structure of the infamous Atheist states
of the the 20th Century and chose a Warlord to control their
thoughts and actions See Fluffy

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

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4.7 Common terms

4.7.1 What is "BAWAA"

A cult formed around a self-appointed 'Warlord'

Like the priesthood, they are dying out, for
much the same reasons ;-)

4.7.2 What is a Baaa Baaa Waa Waaa Night

Here are two of them, they are interchangable

http://www.computerpranks.com/download/images/sheep_guy.jpg

4.7.3 What is "Blind Cricket"

Fluffy goes sub-orbital

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

4.7.4 What is ad-hom

'ad-hom', a contraction for 'ad-hominem argument',
means literally 'argument against the man'.
In alt.atheism ad-hom is synonymous with 'abuse'.
This is in distinction to the formal meaning of
ad-hominem argument in which the truth or falsity
of a proposition is said to follow from the source
of the proposition.

4.7.5 What does "fasgnadh" mean

"Sorting the Wheat from the Chaff"
separating the worthy from the unworthy.

4.7.6 What is post forgery
The unconscionable alteration of text and attributions
to make the posters words appear to be attributed to
their victim See Syd Slander and Virgil

4.7.7 What is a Killfile?

The standard tactic for atheists to avoid questions they
can't answer, arguments too rational for them to rebut
and their major method of Running Away

4.7.8 What Snip and Run

Snipping all of the opponents text and saying nothing

4.7.9 What is the future for alt.atheism

# "The Kooks and assholes are way louder and more visible
# it is getting to me lately.
#
# The kooks are stupid but tedious and boring with it
# -not even "kooky" in an entertaining - fun to poke at - way.
#
# There are no decent arguments"
#
# Subject: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farewell.
# From: Richo <m.richa...@gmail.com>
# Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<acbca475-4901-4b6d...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>

4.7.10 What is a "Drongo", "fruit loop", "Boofhead", "Bozo", "mullet",

"nong", "rabbit" ..an idiot cf: Virgil

4.7.11 What is an "Ankle-biter"

- a (small) child
(cf: apprentice Baaa Baaa Waaa Waaa Nought ;-)

4.7.12 What is a "Wanker"

- someone prone to self-abuse,
often in public. eg: Bukakke

4.7.13 What is

4.7.14 What is

4.7.15

4.7.16

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4.8. Where can I find archived messages?

Posts are archived at www.google.com.

Except for Fluffy's, he's shy.

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4.9 Who moderates alt.atheism?

No-one. This is an unmoderated NG.
Anyone is free to post here within the defamation,
libel and vilification laws of the land

This was the founding principle of USENET and is supported,
at least in principle, by most people who value freedom

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights turns 60 next week
and, as the founding document for all international human rights
treaties, it has played an important legal and intellectual
role for the past 60 years.

We are all free to believe, think and speak
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HmHS-bSIH9g

"Human right # 18

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience
and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or
belief, and freedom, either alone or in community, with others
and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in
teaching, practice, worship and observance."
- The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Which of these people don't have rights?
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ixjACBvv2mE

No one can take them away
http://www.youthforhumanrights.org/watchads/view/psa30_h.html

5.0 CONTRIBUTORS
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fasgnadh -Comic Inspiration
Morton Lucifer -FAQ creator
Steve Knight - Playing with Swords and stuff
Ritcho - Showing Atheists the way
Bukakke - Sewer Inspector
Virgil - Photocopying
Trance Stupor - zzzzzzzzzzzz

I wouldn't want to upset anyone by leaving them out

6.0 - ADDITIONS / AMENDMENTS TO THE FAQ
=======================================
Post submissions to the alt.atheism NG
with

AAA FAQ ... in the header

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fasgnadh

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Love it!

Fluffy goes sub-orbital! B^D

Here's my first suggestion:

Lets do a Book!!!!

I'm serious!

Dawkins and Hitchens have gone off the Boil

A real challenge, by agnostics, not fundies
to the New Barbarians.

A whole Chapter on the BAWAA CULT in Usenet! B^)

I have reams of material archived and they are just so damn funny!

Especially the dummy spits.

I have a friend who does his own piublishing and
his son does illustrations.

Let me know if you would like to participate!

Heres my submission for the FAQ:

Under 4.4.1

The Modern Atheists:

>> # From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Merry Christmas
>> # Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
>> # Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
>> #
>> # Hello Folks;
>> #
>> # I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
>> # and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
>> #
>> # Cheers,
>> # John
>>
>>
>>
>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.

# From: Budikka <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism
# Message-ID:
<f7b40bcb-cf4f-40b5...@d21g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
# Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT)
#
#
# He doesn't defecate like the rest of us
#
# Budikka

You can see how this stuff is Gold....

Dr Phil would love to do a piece on any of them.

Bukakke? Fluffy? Chuk Lee?

How would you like to make some money? ;-)

--

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

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As Fasgnadh nym-shifts yet again to avoid killfiles. How pathetic.

Government Shill #2

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:37:36 -0400, raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
wrote:

>As Fasgnadh nym-shifts yet again to avoid killfiles. How pathetic.

Nym-shifting is one of the categories in the Kookometer

http://www.hyperdeath.co.uk/kook/

--
Shill #2

Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
theobviousgcashman

duke

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:59:02 GMT, "alt.atheism regulator" <"alt.atheism
regulator"@monitor.net> wrote:

>CHARTER: alt.atheism

>An unmoderated newsgroup which would provide a
>forum for the discussion of all aspects
>of atheism.

And it's errors.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

Government Shill #2

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:14:38 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:59:02 GMT, "alt.atheism regulator" <"alt.atheism
>regulator"@monitor.net> wrote:
>
>>CHARTER: alt.atheism
>
>>An unmoderated newsgroup which would provide a
>>forum for the discussion of all aspects
>>of atheism.
>
>And it's errors.

Such as? And no using quotes from your fairy tale book.

--
Shill #2

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
Robert M. Pirsig

alt.atheism regulator

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Document and submit them Duke!

Unlike the old, rigged AQOTM witchunt,
the FAQ is Fair and Balanced. ;-)

The FAQ is also interested in atheist art, photography,
music, if you can find any of interest or concern;

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6349?context=latest

there will be a gallery 'featuring' it,
with links to the atheist source.

It is time atheists stood up proudly and let the world
see their work for what it is;

Kill Jesus
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
Jesus light switch
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest

And I have it archived if they try to delete it,
as they did on previous occasions when I
exposed their sludge... B^]

Screen prints, showing the website. ;-)

The FAQ is also interested in atheist
humour, if you can find any.

A rogues gallery of post forgers and other kooks
would be a community service...

Pass the word and start posting it in.

Once we pass critical mass there is a very funny satirical book in the
making and why not a film...

these characters are wonderful, if inadvertent, comic material!

'Warlords', 'Knightesses', 'Excalibur.. ' Hilarious.

Especially Fluffy.

raven1

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:01 +0200, Government Shill #2
<gov....@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:14:38 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:59:02 GMT, "alt.atheism regulator" <"alt.atheism
>>regulator"@monitor.net> wrote:
>>
>>>CHARTER: alt.atheism
>>
>>>An unmoderated newsgroup which would provide a
>>>forum for the discussion of all aspects
>>>of atheism.
>>
>>And it's errors.
>
>Such as? And no using quotes from your fairy tale book.

He won't. This isn't a typical fundie kook you're replying to, it's
Fasgnadh, an extremely obnoxious (and completely insane) agnostic,
with a massive chip on his shoulder towards atheists, whom he blames
collectively for the atrocities of Communist regimes.

Government Shill #2

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:13:03 -0400, raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
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duke is Fags?

If I'd known it was Fags, I wouldn't have even read it, let alone replied.

fasgnadh

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alt.atheism regulator wrote:
> duke wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:59:02 GMT, "alt.atheism regulator" <"alt.atheism
>> regulator"@monitor.net> wrote:
>>
>>> CHARTER: alt.atheism
>>
>>> An unmoderated newsgroup which would provide a
>>> forum for the discussion of all aspects
>>> of atheism.
>>
>> And it's errors.
>>
>> The Dukester, American-American
>> *****
>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> Pope Paul VI
>> *****
>
>
> Document and submit them Duke!
>
> Unlike the old, rigged AQOTM witchunt,
> the FAQ is Fair and Balanced. ;-)
>

This is an excellent, intelligent documentary which
is informative, fair and balanced;

Johnathen Miller

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3162184064060187674#

Could it go in a 'resources' component of the FAQ?

We really must encourage the development of
INTELLIGENT discussion in contrast to the
fantacists and Kooks who think they are
Warlords or Wolves, and ACT OUT their pagan delusions! B^D

--

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

raven1

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:32:55 +0200, Government Shill #2
<gov....@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:13:03 -0400, raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:01 +0200, Government Shill #2
>><gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:14:38 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:59:02 GMT, "alt.atheism regulator" <"alt.atheism
>>>>regulator"@monitor.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>CHARTER: alt.atheism
>>>>
>>>>>An unmoderated newsgroup which would provide a
>>>>>forum for the discussion of all aspects
>>>>>of atheism.
>>>>
>>>>And it's errors.
>>>
>>>Such as? And no using quotes from your fairy tale book.
>>
>>He won't. This isn't a typical fundie kook you're replying to, it's
>>Fasgnadh, an extremely obnoxious (and completely insane) agnostic,
>>with a massive chip on his shoulder towards atheists, whom he blames
>>collectively for the atrocities of Communist regimes.
>
>duke is Fags?
>
>If I'd known it was Fags, I wouldn't have even read it, let alone replied.

Sorry, I have Duke killfiled, so it looked like you were responding to
Fasgnadh in the thread view. My bad. Duke *is* a religious nutjob.

fasgnadh

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Government Shill #2 thinks Duke is fasgnadh:

> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:13:03 -0400, raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:01 +0200, Government Shill #2
>> <gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:14:38 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> This isn't a typical fundie kook you're replying to, it's

>> Fasgnadh, an agnostic,

No, he's replying to Duke, cretin

I'm not Duke! You are a confused net Kook!

> duke is Fags?

No, you are a gullible atheist twonk listening
to a confused atheist kook, never a good substitute
for independent THOUGHT! B^D

> If I'd known it was Fags, I wouldn't have even read it

We know, you are all terrified of me, for reasons like those
exposed here, now.

Neither of these lying slandering atheist fuckwits will
apologise for their slander, or their idiocy, they are atheists
and have no integrity.

--

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:41:19 -0400, raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
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np. I have fags killfiled, so... vice versa

fasgnadh

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raven1 wrote:

> Government Shill #2 thinks Duke is fasgnadh:

>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:13:03 -0400, raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:01 +0200, Government Shill #2
>>> <gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:14:38 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> This isn't a typical fundie kook you're replying to, it's

>>> Fasgnadh, an agnostic,

No, he's replying to Duke, cretin

I'm not Duke! You are a confused net Kook!

>> duke is Fags?

No, you are a gullible atheist twonk listening
to a confused atheist kook, never a good substitute
for independent THOUGHT! B^D

>> If I'd known it was Fags, I wouldn't have even read it

We know, you are all terrified of me, for reasons like those
exposed here, now.

These atheists demonstrate their irrationality by
falsely accusing those they don't even READ:

> Sorry, I have Duke kill-filed, so it looked like

> you were responding to Fasgnadh in the thread view.

So we have classic examples of how these confused
atheists operate:

a) can't think for themselves, but uncritically swallow
ANY false information a fellow atheist feeds them!

b) blind themselves with their Killfile Kowardice!

c) attack those they haven't READ for things they
HAVEN'T SAID! It's ATHEIST WITCH-HUNTS! B^p

d) NEVER APOLOGISE, EVEN WHEN IT IS CLEAR THEY
HAVE FUCKED UP!

Neither of these lying slandering atheist fuckwits will
apologise for their slander, or their idiocy, they are atheists
and have no integrity.

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:06:09 GMT, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

1941 mccabe fyi
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/joseph_mccabe/big_blue_books/book_05.html
"You have only to turn back a few years and compare its feeling at the
time when, at the beginning of 1930, Pacelli virtually took over the
rule of the Church. Then the Church of Rome was disintegrating more
rapidly than ever before. The steady loss by leakage until 1914 had
been succeeded, as I showed, by a catastrophic loss of between
50,000,000 and 100,000,000 in about ten years. Russia, the principal
source of the new corroding force, had made good and was preparing to
offer to the world something which Rome had always declared
impossible: a great civilization built without the least religious
inspiration, for no one questions that the constructive class in
Russia was entirely atheistic. Without anything that could justly be
called persecution of religion this class had communicated its atheism
to something like 100,000,000 people within its own frontiers, won
tens of millions in China and even French Indo-China and Siam, and
crossed the Pacific and devastated the Church from Mexico to
Patagonia. The same influence had pervaded Europe and had in Germany
and the southern half of the continent detached tens of millions of
Catholic's from the Church. I have given the figures and the
evidence."

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Judicial Corruption Australia

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Sep 27, 2009, 12:30:39 PM9/27/09

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Australia's de facto Bill of Rights (HREOCA1986) under threat from a
Corrupt, Racist White nation

Inquiry into Access to Justice.d.web.pdf
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2aSuWg5-JMZMGFlNzNjYzAtZjE5ZC00YzNlLTg0ZjQtOWUxN2M3YTRjZjkw&hl=en

Letter to Mr Charles Pham.web.pdf
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2aSuWg5-JMZNzY2YjNhNDYtZTkzYi00NmE0LWJhZWMtOGNhYTQ4ZDZiMTUx&hl=en

Senate.Enquiries.update.31July2009.web.pdf
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2aSuWg5-JMZNTk3OGU2NGQtYTc2MS00ZjI3LTlkZTItZDliMzAyMWI0ZjJl&hl=en

Judicial corruption exposes institutionalised racism that reaches all
up the way to the High Court Australia. An officer of the Royal
Australian Navy is left without medical care as he was harassed
victimised and unlawfully discriminated against as he exposed unsafe
working conditions in the Navy, that put public safety and lives at
risk.

He approached HREOC with a complaint under HREOCA1986 and RDA1975;
what he found was institutional racism, coverup and perverting of the
Human Rights Act, violating Australia's obligation under International
Treaties ICCPR and ICERD. The president of HREOC, John von Doussa
violated HREOAC1986 in refusing to investigate his White mates, and
then refusing to terminate the complaints so that it can be heard in
the Federal Courts.

More institutionalised racism occurred at the Administrative Appeals
Tribunal, where Senior Member John Handley proceeded to pervert
justice by fabricating documents and evidence.

Questions of Law will be asked of the validity of the HREOAC1986 and
RDA1975 as the Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee,
chair and co-chair, Senators Barnett and Crossin indicated that
Inquiries into Access to Justice, Australia's Legal System and the
Role of Judges should not be of assistance to Australian Citizens of
ethnic backgrounds.

Institutionalised racism and corruption in the Judiciary have made
political prisoners of Aborigines such as Lex Wotton, dogwhistled to
corrupt police leading to Black Deaths in Custody, putting public
health and safety in jeopardy, and allowing a four (4) year old
Aborigines girl to die after having been refused medical care at a Qld
hospital, political assasination of Phuong Ngo, political assasination
of Frederick Toben.

They set them up to fail and when they fail, they call them inferior
and lock them up.

Racist and corrupt White nation inciting racial hatred and Black
Deaths in Custody, reduce the Black Man to fight for his basic human
rights

The High Court Australia has been labelled racist by Justice Michael
Kirby. The Australian Michael Pelley called the High Court racist and
hyprocrites. They are so afraid of the HREOCA1986, because even the
High Court Australia must obey an Act of Parliament.

Corrupt and racist Judiciary will fight with all its might and means
to deprive us of HREOCA1986, to deprive us of Habeas Corpus as we file
such writs for Lex Wotton, Phuong Ngo, and Frederick Toben. We might
not like their politics or ethnicity, but their loss of judicial
independence and fairness, and their experience of judicial abuse of
discretionary powers will greatly affect us all now and in the future.

Until Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee and Australian
Parliament secede from ICCPR and ICERD, even the High Court must obey
HREOCA1986. We must fight for HREOCA1986 even if the Corrupt changes
its name, because it is the only Bill of Rights we have."

administrator
http://kangaroocourtaustralia.com
iWitness: Judicial Corruption
http://iwitness.x24hr.com/judicial_corruption/

> If Institutionalised Racism kills, High Court Australia criminal? You
>bet
>
>http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2137/75221326522959327217259.jpg
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Request that UN Committee on Elimination of Racism to prosecute WHITE
Racist Nations, incl Australia

Request that UN Committee on Elimination of Racism to prosecute WHITE
Racist Nations, incl Australia

Cant the Whiteman be trusted with a signed Treaty?

Come join this petition, and save American Taxpayers' dollars on
useless UN rorts that only go to fuel terrorism through their
hypocrisy and abuse of UN process, and the Universal Declaration of
Human Rights.

<a
href="http://www.change.org/actions/view/
request_that_un_committee_on_elimination_of_racism_to_prosecute_white_racist_nations_incl_australia">change.org</
a>

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href="http://www.change.org/actions/view/
request_that_un_committee_on_elimination_of_racism_to_prosecute_white_racist_nations_incl_australia">Change.org</
a>

<blockquote>
The Hypocrisy of the UN Human Rights Bodies continues unabated. It
seems like the western world can do no wrong, and western countries
like Australia can ride rougshod over UN Human Rights Treaties, and at
the same time can dictate to less developed nations.

REF: G/SO AUS 215/4
http://rapidshare.com/files/101392885/OHCHR.23February2008.web.pdf.html

1. Communication to: Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human
Rights on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers

2. Submitted for consideration under International Convention on the
Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

Kangaroo Court of Australia
http://kangaroocourtaustralia.com
Institutionalised Discrimination and Corruption in Australian Legal
System

Universal declaration on human rights

come join my group and help assist the OHCHR uphold its human rights
mandates
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10385581643

Below and an account of Institutionalised racism within in the
Australian Judicial System and the High Court Australia:

http://iwitness.x24hr.com/judicial_corruption/index.php?/topic/2880-strawman-arguments-expose-australian-senate-legal-and-constitutional-affairs-standing-committee/#mytop

https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/07/435415.html

NB. i need the email address of the UN Secretary General

Torsten Schackel
Acting Secretary of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial
Discrimination
Human Rights Treaties Branch
Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights
Tel. +41.22.917.9614 - Fax +41.22.917.90.29
e-mail: tsch...@ohchr.org
Palais Wilson - 52, rue des P�quis, CH-1201, Geneva, Switzerland
Mailing address: UNOG-OHCHR, CH-1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland

Joyce Fucio,
Administrative Assistant
Secretariat of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial
Discrimination
Treaties and Commission Branch
Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights
Tel. +41.22.917.94.09 - Fax +41.22.917.90.22
e-mail: jfu...@ohchr.org
Palais Wilson - 52, rue des P�quis, CH-1201, Geneva, Switzerland
Mailing address: UNOG-OHCHR, CH-1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland

"Under Article 14 of International Convenant on the Elimination of All
Forms of Racial Discrimination, individuals can file submissions to
the International Committee on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial
Discrimination if the country has signed the UN ICERD Treaty and allow
the Committee to hear such submissions.

The Committee has a moral obligation if not a legal obligation to
investigate and make recommendations. The Committee has a moral duty
if not legal obligation to return correspondence.

REF: G/SO AUS 215/4
http://rapidshare.com/files/101392885/OHCHR.23February2008.web.pdf.html

1. Communication to: Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human
Rights on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers

2. Submitted for consideration under International Convention on the
Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

Kangaroo Court of Australia
http://kangaroocourtaustralia.com
Institutionalised Discrimination and Corruption in Australian Legal
System

The lack of correpondence from the Committee shed bad light on the UN
process as a whole and violates the Universal Declaration on Human
Rights.

We urge Mr Secretary General Mr Ban Ki-Moon to request that the
Committee carry out their duty and make Dignity and Justice for ALL
and not just some people."
</blockquote>