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I DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY GOD ANYMORE BECAUSE OF DIVORCE, ADULTERY, A BROKEN HOME AND A DESTROYED FAMILY

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Oct 4, 2007, 5:14:47 AM10/4/07
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i don't know how else to say this.i don't believe in any god anymore.
one of my parents decided to be a selfish fucking piece of
shit..cheated for apparently years with several partners.. lovers..
fuckers.. or whatever the fuck .. then decides to leave us..then on
top of all that decides to seek a divorce and obtained it, thus
destroying my family forever. then heaps on the destruction by getting
married to one of the scumbags that they fucked around with.

i'll tell you something i used to believe in god..i don't believe in
god anymore.

so much fucking awful awful awful shit has happened that i cannot even
fucking begin to explain it. this is not even the fucking tip of the
fucking iceberg. i fucking hate all of the christian
fucking bullshit about god being able to fucking heal us from this
fucking pain. it doesn't happen.

so now i am a n00b athiest. i don't know much. but what is there to
know right? lmao.

all of those preachers, pasters, fathers and ministers can go fuck
themselves straight into oblivion.. and so can all the cheaters, all
the homewreckers, all of the fucking, cocksucking 'soccer moms' and
'nascar dads' because they're all full of cum. i hope this world tears
itself
apart. i don't actually hate the world, i don't hate everything. i
just want it all to end. i want the world to break like my home is
broken.

and people believe in
GOD ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

where was "GOD" as all this fucking shit was happening to me?

where was "GOD" when all of the fucking horrid things were happening
to you?

The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN.

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Oct 4, 2007, 5:33:03 AM10/4/07
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On Oct 4, 10:14 am, i quit everything now

Sorry to read of your troubles. You know what? I don't think anybody
honestly believes in God. I think they pretend to in order to appease
those around them. It draws people into the social network of family
and community and makes them feel they belong to something.

The world IS broken, community is a fraud and the nuclear family,
unsupported by extended family or genuine community is a pressure
cooker. In order to fix the world we need to get rid of religion
amongst other things. It is false and fundamentally full of hypocrisy
just like you have experienced.

Good luck with it all, and I hope life improves for you soon. Go and
bin some Bibles in the meantime. Don't assault anybody.

Nosterill

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Oct 4, 2007, 5:50:17 AM10/4/07
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<iquiteverything...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sorry that you are going through such a dreadful time. I
understand because something similar happened to my family. My ex
screwed around and then walked out on me and my sons. It was easier
for me for two reasons. Firstly because I'm older than you and I've
had to survive a few bad patches before - so I know that there's a
future once you come out the other side. Secondly, because none of us
believe in a god so no expectations were shattered. We just did what
we've always done - looked after ourselves and each other. That really
works and, once you get used to it, it's quite refreshing to just plan
your life without expecting a phantom helping hand from the sky.

My advice is to keep your head down - don't do anything desperate -
and you will come through this stronger than you were before.

Best wishes. I really do know how tough it is.

Michael Gray

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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:14:47 -0700, i quit everything now
<iquitever...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>i don't know how else to say this.i don't believe in any god anymore.

:

Welcome to reality.

Robibnikoff

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"i quit everything now" <iquitever...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ooooookay. Have you considered switching to decaf?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557


Mark K. Bilbo

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Oct 4, 2007, 10:29:00 AM10/4/07
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:14:47 -0700, i quit everything now wrote:


> i don't know how else to say this.i don't believe in any god anymore.
> one of my parents decided to be a selfish fucking piece of shit..cheated
> for apparently years with several partners.. lovers.. fuckers.. or
> whatever the fuck .. then decides to leave us..then on top of all that
> decides to seek a divorce and obtained it, thus destroying my family
> forever. then heaps on the destruction by getting married to one of the
> scumbags that they fucked around with.

<snip>

First of all, you'll survive. Believe it or not. Something similar
happened in my family almost thirty years ago now. I barely ever think
about it now. You do get past it.

And I can tell you this, the parent who fucks up their relationship with
their kids is the one who loses in the end. I ran into my father twelve
years after the divorce and realized I'd dealt with it all and moved on.
It was one of those polite chats like running into some distant cousin
you only vaguely remember. I was so past it all, I wasn't even angry.
Just... not interested.

He tried, after that, some rather lame attempts to make contact with me
again but all I felt was a kind of vague pity. It was too little, too
late. He was, by then, distant history and I had other things to do.

Last I heard, he had ended up living alone and hasn't had contact with
two of this three sons in something like fifteen years. Oh and he's
developing Alzheimer's and has heart trouble.


When you're in the middle of all of it, it's going to look pretty fucking
dark. But at least try to keep in mind, you're not the first one this has
happened to, you're not going to be the last, and people do survive it
and come out okay.


Finally...

Atheism is not about anger, it's about evidence.

Yeah, you're on your own. But you always were. There wasn't, isn't, and
never will be some daddy in the sky to take care of things. That hasn't
changed.

Sounds cold I know but you got this far with no god existing, no reason
you can't keep going with no god existing. People do. Folks here have
been through similar things. Even worse things. Personally, I think if I
had to compare the trauma of my parent's divorce (and dad running around
and all that) to getting through the destruction of New Orleans and the
closest friend I'd had in my life dying right after that... well, I'd
take the divorce trauma. At least nobody died when dad fucked around and
mom divorced him.

Okay, now "finally"...

You wrote:

"...then on top of all that decides to seek a divorce and obtained it,

thus destroying my family forever."

To that, I can only say: "Wrong."

Things have changed. But to say "destroy" is to give one person *way* too
much power. It's not up to one member of a family whether the family
survives.

Hell, my idiotic family (all Bible toting church folk) just had a second
big explosion starting about four years ago. My mom's side split and
nobody's talking to each other anymore (and it was about money, of
course, as Jesus said, "Grab all you can get and backstab your relatives
to get it!"). With the divorce and the latest split, we're down to my
mom, one brother, and me.

Actually, add in my sister-in-law who's just a really great person and
she's got relatives running out the ears and a daughter who just had a
baby (making me feel even older at the thought of being a "great-uncle by
marriage" or whatever the term is).

Ending up as a smaller family isn't such a bad thing. And often you can
end up realizing you're rather glad the ones who left are gone...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"How come God gets credit whenever something good happens? Where was he
when her heart stopped?"

- Dr. House

Mark K. Bilbo

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Oct 4, 2007, 10:34:30 AM10/4/07
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Oh come on now, if you're young going through all this, it really does
look like the end of the world. I remember just how insane it was in my
house when something like that happened.

There's nothing quite like finding out your father has been "allowed to
resign" because teenage girls at the high school where he taught were on
the verge of pressing charges.

I think I was about 16 at the time.

And we're talking a small town. I had people making comments to me at
school. *Everybody* was chattering about that one.

Let's just say it was a "nasty" divorce...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------

"Oh Log Cabin, full of taste, my stomach is with thee.
Blessed are three among syrups..."

- Homer

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On Oct 4, 6:49 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:

> Ooooookay. Have you considered switching to decaf?
> --


when i wrote that i was half wasted. 2 beers, 2 vicodins. i was as
decaffeinated as possible.
i could hardly even see the screen.

Uncle Vic

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Oct 4, 2007, 12:26:25 PM10/4/07
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i quit everything now wrote:

I think you are just mad at life. Hey, shit happens. Did you try
praying? Nothing happened, right? Join the club. But do the homework,
atheism might not be your thing. Google up some atheist websites and
read up. If you find yourself agreeing objectively, great. If not,
don't call yourself an atheist because you'll probably end up going back
to church.

Here's a start.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/

Enjoy.

--
Uncle Vic
#2011

Robibnikoff

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Oct 4, 2007, 12:44:06 PM10/4/07
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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Oh my. Hey, I understand what you're saying. At least I didn't find out
what a shit my dad was until after he croaked. I just skimmed the original
post - too much bad grammar to take seriously.

Robibnikoff

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Oct 4, 2007, 12:44:39 PM10/4/07
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"i quit everything now" <iquitever...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ah, that explains a lot. Hope you're feeling better.

BTW, don't mix booze with drugs.

Uncle Vic

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Oct 4, 2007, 12:56:05 PM10/4/07
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I used to do that in college. I've always hated vicodin, I prefer
codeine instead. Codeine and a few beers makes for a nice buzz. So
does pot and beer, but it's best to smoke out first. I was sitting in
my garage drinking a bunch of beer once and my daughter's boyfriend came
by and smoked me out. The quick come-on of the pot started the whole
neighborhood spinning and I had to go to bed. What a waste...

--
Uncle Vic
#2011

Robibnikoff

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"Uncle Vic" <add...@withheld.com> wrote in message
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> Robibnikoff wrote:
>> "i quit everything now" <iquitever...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1191510727....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Oct 4, 6:49 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ooooookay. Have you considered switching to decaf?
>>>> --
>>>
>>> when i wrote that i was half wasted. 2 beers, 2 vicodins. i was as
>>> decaffeinated as possible.
>>> i could hardly even see the screen.
>>
>> Ah, that explains a lot. Hope you're feeling better.
>>
>> BTW, don't mix booze with drugs.
>
> I used to do that in college. I've always hated vicodin,

Vicodin makes me barf :P

I prefer
> codeine instead. Codeine and a few beers makes for a nice buzz.

Ah yes, I remember it well ;)

So
> does pot and beer, but it's best to smoke out first. I was sitting in my
> garage drinking a bunch of beer once and my daughter's boyfriend came by
> and smoked me out. The quick come-on of the pot started the whole
> neighborhood spinning and I had to go to bed. What a waste...

LOL. I could never smoke pot after having alcohol.

chibiabos

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Oct 4, 2007, 2:03:24 PM10/4/07
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In article <1191489287.7...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, i
quit everything now <iquitever...@gmail.com> wrote:

[some snippage]

> where was "GOD" as all this fucking shit was happening to me?
>
> where was "GOD" when all of the fucking horrid things were happening
> to you?

These are the wrong reasons to be an atheist, but it's a good start.

-chib

--
Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor

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Oct 4, 2007, 2:47:47 PM10/4/07
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exactly. when I was a believer (i was half-heartedly raised one, not
really one on my own) i did pray (and pray & pray & pray) that my
family would not be split up. then I prayed that it would not be
destroyed. that this constant sickening black nightmare was not real
and for God to make everything okay again. how pathetic right?


Join the club. But do the homework,
> atheism might not be your thing.

i doubt i'll ever be a "hardcore" atheist, but i've definitally lost
all faith in god, and not just god but man and the world also. i don't
believe in anything. or maybe i just don't care about anything.
sounds typical i know........

Google up some atheist websites and
> read up. If you find yourself agreeing objectively, great. If not,
> don't call yourself an atheist because you'll probably end up going back
> to church.
>
> Here's a start.
>

> http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.comhttp://www.jesusneverexisted.comhttp://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/


>
> Enjoy.
>
> --
> Uncle Vic
> #2011

thanks for the links


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Oct 4, 2007, 2:48:33 PM10/4/07
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On Oct 4, 1:03 pm, chibiabos <chibia...@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <1191489287.721964.266...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, i

> quit everything now <iquiteverything...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [some snippage]
>
> > where was "GOD" as all this fucking shit was happening to me?
>
> > where was "GOD" when all of the fucking horrid things were happening
> > to you?
>
> These are the wrong reasons to be an atheist, but it's a good start.
>
> -chib
>
> --
> Member of SMASH
> Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor


heh, what are the right reasons?

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On Oct 4, 11:44 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in messagenews:TsidnW4PGMJrZJna...@giganews.com...

>
>
>
> > On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 07:49:16 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>
> >> "i quit everything now" <iquiteverything...@gmail.com> wrote in message

bad grammer, caused by drinking and having some painkillers. it felt
good.

JessHC

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Oct 4, 2007, 2:58:55 PM10/4/07
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i quit everything now wrote:

Realizing religious stories don't make sense and frequently contradict
what's known to be true, there's never been any objective, verifiable
evidence for any deities, and that pretty much everything can be
explained rationally.

Robibnikoff

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"i quit everything now" <iquitever...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Alrighty then. Been there and done that.

skyeyes

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On Oct 4, 2:14 am, i quit everything now

<iquiteverything...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i don't know how else to say this.i don't believe in any god anymore.
> one of my parents decided to be a selfish fucking piece of
> shit..cheated for apparently years with several partners.. lovers..
> fuckers.. or whatever the fuck .. then decides to leave us..then on
> top of all that decides to seek a divorce and obtained it, thus
> destroying my family forever. then heaps on the destruction by getting
> married to one of the scumbags that they fucked around with.
>
> i'll tell you something i used to believe in god..i don't believe in
> god anymore.

Oh, dear. You're one of those people who give "atheist" a bad name,
because you're *not* an atheist, you're "mad at god."

If you have any compassion, please just say "I believe that god
exists, but I'm mad at him." Makes life simpler for us *real*
atheists, believe me.

> so much fucking awful awful awful shit has happened that i cannot even
> fucking begin to explain it. this is not even the fucking tip of the
> fucking iceberg. i fucking hate all of the christian
> fucking bullshit about god being able to fucking heal us from this
> fucking pain. it doesn't happen.
>
> so now i am a n00b athiest. i don't know much. but what is there to
> know right? lmao.

Here's what there is to know: If you claim to not believe in god
merely because bad stuff has happened to you, then you're *not* an
atheist.

Atheists *lack* a belief in any god (including the judeo-christian
one) because THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT ANY GOD EXISTS.

We're not mad at god. We're not withholding belief to punish him
because we're miserable. We're not claiming to be atheists to punish
people in our lives who have disappointed us or hurt us.

We're atheists because there's no reason to be theists.

Got that?

> all of those preachers, pasters, fathers and ministers can go fuck
> themselves straight into oblivion.. and so can all the cheaters, all
> the homewreckers, all of the fucking, cocksucking 'soccer moms' and
> 'nascar dads' because they're all full of cum. i hope this world tears
> itself
> apart. i don't actually hate the world, i don't hate everything. i
> just want it all to end. i want the world to break like my home is
> broken.
>
> and people believe in
> GOD ???????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
> where was "GOD" as all this fucking shit was happening to me?
>
> where was "GOD" when all of the fucking horrid things were happening
> to you?

Actually, I'm having a very nice life. Oh, I'm in my late 50s and my
parents have died - but then, elderly people *do* die - and I'm
divorced - but then, marriages fail, mainly because humans aren't
naturally monogamous - but that doesn't mean I'm not enjoying my life.

And all that has nothing to do with god belief. There's no evidence
that any god exists. *That* is why I'm an atheist. It has nothing to
do with how my life is going.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net

skyeyes

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On Oct 4, 9:56 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
> Robibnikoff wrote:
> > "i quit everything now" <iquiteverything...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:1191510727....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Oct 4, 6:49 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Ooooookay. Have you considered switching to decaf?
> >>> --
>
> >> when i wrote that i was half wasted. 2 beers, 2 vicodins. i was as
> >> decaffeinated as possible.
> >> i could hardly even see the screen.
>
> > Ah, that explains a lot. Hope you're feeling better.
>
> > BTW, don't mix booze with drugs.
>
> I used to do that in college. I've always hated vicodin, I prefer
> codeine instead. Codeine and a few beers makes for a nice buzz. So
> does pot and beer, but it's best to smoke out first.

Ewwwww. We used to call mixing pot and alcohol "pissing in the
wind." (Of course, I've never been much of a drinker.) Give me a
glass of wine with dinner, *or* give me a joint and a soft drink.
(And some chips-n-dips, and some cookies, and some olives, and some
cold pizza, and some leftover tuna casserole, and some canned fudge
frosting, and...and..and...and...) But mix the two? Not this aging
hippie. Life's too short for that kind of self-inflicted physical
abuse.

Ghod

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"Nosterill" <flad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: On Oct 4, 10:14 am, i quit everything now

: <iquiteverything...@gmail.com> wrote:
: > i don't know how else to say this.i don't believe in any god
anymore.
: > one of my parents decided to be a selfish fucking piece of
: > shit..cheated for apparently years with several partners..
lovers..
: > fuckers.. or whatever the fuck .. then decides to leave us..then
on
: > top of all that decides to seek a divorce and obtained it, thus
: > destroying my family forever. then heaps on the destruction by
getting
: > married to one of the scumbags that they fucked around with.
: >
: > i'll tell you something i used to believe in god..i don't believe
in
: > god anymore.

It's really a piss poor reason to stop believing. A guy I knew in the
late '70s decided to stop believing, because something really bad
happened to his sister. He then went around doing dumb things that
hurt other people (like getting my underage sister pregnant and
refusing to take responsibility for it). Xians who decide to spite
the god they pretend to no longer believe in tend to act as though the
belief was responsible for what morals they had......so don't go doing
immoral things now, just because you're losing your faith.

People who do this can also be returned to the fold. If you're going
to leave your theism behind, you need to have a solid understanding of
why you shouldn't believe, instead of merely denying your religion out
of anger and frustration.

I don't feel up to digging up URLs for you just now, but Google is
your friend. Check out some of the skeptical websites.

: > so much fucking awful awful awful shit has happened that i cannot


even
: > fucking begin to explain it. this is not even the fucking tip of
the
: > fucking iceberg. i fucking hate all of the christian
: > fucking bullshit about god being able to fucking heal us from this
: > fucking pain. it doesn't happen.
: >
: > so now i am a n00b athiest. i don't know much. but what is there
to
: > know right?

What we'd really like to know just now, is whether you're sincere, or
just another fucking troll.

: > lmao.

Yeah, right.

: > all of those preachers, pasters, fathers and ministers can go fuck


: > themselves straight into oblivion.. and so can all the cheaters,
all
: > the homewreckers, all of the fucking, cocksucking 'soccer moms'
and
: > 'nascar dads' because they're all full of cum. i hope this world
tears
: > itself
: > apart. i don't actually hate the world, i don't hate everything.
i
: > just want it all to end. i want the world to break like my home
is
: > broken.

Ah, the old "misery loves company" crap.

: > and people believe in

:

Empty

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Oct 4, 2007, 4:48:55 PM10/4/07
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Glad to see hardship have brought you insight at least, and I doubt
that came from god... Nothing does...

Ghod

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: "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message

Lucky you. People keep telling me I'm wrong to take no interest in my
father (sits around depressed, when he's not endangering school bus
passengers [he's really a bad driver, too]). My mother's taken refuge
in religion...Southern Baptist.

Ghod

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"i quit everything now" <iquitever...@gmail.com> wrote in
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That's similar to how I like to be on Friday nights...I rarely go to
sleep before 5am those nights.

Ghod

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"Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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: "i quit everything now" <iquitever...@gmail.com> wrote in

That's what they say, anyway. Recipe: 6-12 (or so) strong drinks,
2-3 D...damn, forgot it's name again (painkillers), couple of boxes of
nitrous whippets, and plenty of one-hit weed. Works for me.

Ghod

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"Uncle Vic" <add...@withheld.com> wrote in message
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That's cool, I just don't feel up to digging today, or I would've
earlier.

Michael Gray

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Oct 4, 2007, 6:08:42 PM10/4/07
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Growing up mentally, and discarding Santa Clause.

mc...@sunset.net

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Well, you can't trust everyone, and Christ warns us to beware of
wolves in sheep's clothing. By the way, some of us are quite opposed
to such despicable behavior, but guard yourself from thinking that
your are perfect and without sin. Only Christ was perfect.

JM

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On Oct 4, 4:33 am, "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN."
<hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
> On Oct 4, 10:14 am, i quit everything now
> > where was "GOD" as all this fucking shit was happening to me?
>
> > where was "GOD" when all of the fucking horrid things were happening
> > to you?
>
> Sorry to read of your troubles. You know what? I don't think anybody
> honestly believes in God. I think they pretend to in order to appease
> those around them. It draws people into the social network of family
> and community and makes them feel they belong to something.
>
> The world IS broken, community is a fraud and the nuclear family,
> unsupported by extended family or genuine community is a pressure
> cooker. In order to fix the world we need to get rid of religion
> amongst other things. It is false and fundamentally full of hypocrisy
> just like you have experienced.
>
> Good luck with it all, and I hope life improves for you soon. Go and
> bin some Bibles in the meantime. Don't assault anybody.


thank you for your understanding post. it make a great deal of sense
in a world, even the internet world, where most people don't get it.

i quit everything now

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> I'm sorry that you are going through such a dreadful time. I
> understand because something similar happened to my family. My ex
> screwed around and then walked out on me and my sons. It was easier
> for me for two reasons. Firstly because I'm older than you and I've
> had to survive a few bad patches before - so I know that there's a
> future once you come out the other side. Secondly, because none of us
> believe in a god so no expectations were shattered. We just did what
> we've always done - looked after ourselves and each other. That really
> works and, once you get used to it, it's quite refreshing to just plan
> your life without expecting a phantom helping hand from the sky.
>
> My advice is to keep your head down - don't do anything desperate -
> and you will come through this stronger than you were before.
>
> Best wishes. I really do know how tough it is.

thank you, thank you.

again, thank you for being someone that gets it, in an ocean of people
that are utterly clueless. I don't mean about atheism (i know i'm not
alone in that area)
i mean about what divorce and broken homes do to people.

i quit everything now

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I am not mad at God since I don't believe such a thing exists.

I am fucking furious at the people (who do exist) who destroyed my
family. that includes, but is not limited to, one or both of my
parents. other family, and various "friends" of one of my parents who
played their home-wrecking role.

i suppose in my original post, in my wasted, drugged out state of
mind, I was thinking in terms of "I'm angry at God for letting this
happen". but I don't actually think there is a God. I can't be
sure, but I doubt there is one.

now if this somehow disqualifies me from being an atheist, i don't
give a flying fuck.

i don't have to be a mainstream atheist in your eyes, or anyone else's
eyes.

/ramble

skyeyes

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Oct 4, 2007, 7:53:44 PM10/4/07
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On Oct 4, 4:23 pm, i quit everything now

Thank you for clarifying that. In your original post it seemed that
you were one of the "mad at god because bad things are happening"
people. We get accused of it all the time by theists, so some of us
oldtimers on the group are touchy about it. If you're not "mad at
god" but an unbeliever in such critteres, that's fine. And you're
welcome in this group, if that is indeed the case.

Hint: posting while wasted is a *bad*, bad thing. You might want to
consider not doing it in future. It's a great way to get yourself
misunderstood and off on the wrong foot with new people.

And dear, there are no such things as "mainstream" atheists. Atheists
are all kinds of people - liberals, conservatives, scientists,
homemakers, kooks, sages, and everything else you can think of. The
only thing we have in common is that we lack belief in any god. If
you lack belief in any god, then you're just as "mainstream" as the
rest of us.

I'm very sorry that crappy things have been happening in your life.
Keep focused on to this fact: things *always* get better, even if you
think they can't possibly. Listen to Mark Bilbo, he's a wise man
who's been through something similar, and he's a sane, well-adjusted,
happy person today.

"All this, too, will pass away."
- Somebody Famous

Hang in there, kid.

Rev. Karl E. Taylor

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Nameless, your words ring hollow.

Go spew your shit to people that give a damn.

--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
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A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/

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David Canzi -- non-mailable

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In article <1191523713....@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,

i quit everything now <iquitever...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 4, 1:03 pm, chibiabos <chibia...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> In article <1191489287.721964.266...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, i
>> quit everything now <iquiteverything...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [some snippage]
>>
>> > where was "GOD" as all this fucking shit was happening to me?
>>
>> > where was "GOD" when all of the fucking horrid things were happening
>> > to you?
>>
>> These are the wrong reasons to be an atheist, but it's a good start.
>
>heh, what are the right reasons?

The reasons to stop believing differ from one ex-theist to the
next, but the best reasons are the ones people come up with when
they can consider the matter calmly, and the worst are the ones
they come up with when they're emotional, eg. depressed, terrified,
or angry.

--
David Canzi "We don't care. We don't have to care. We're Google Groups."

Christopher A.Lee

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:39:57 +0000 (UTC), dmc...@remulak.uwaterloo.ca
(David Canzi -- non-mailable) wrote:

>The reasons to stop believing differ from one ex-theist to the
>next, but the best reasons are the ones people come up with when
>they can consider the matter calmly, and the worst are the ones
>they come up with when they're emotional, eg. depressed, terrified,
>or angry.

There are also atheists who were never theist in the first place.

The two things they all ha vein common, is that they aren't any kind
of theist, and that they cannot be described accurately according to
the theists' presumption that their god is real.

Frank Mayhar

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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:53:44 -0700, skyeyes wrote:
> Listen to Mark Bilbo, he's a wise man who's been
> through something similar, and he's a sane, well-adjusted, happy person
> today.

Um.

What?

Is this the same Mark Bilbo we all know and occasionally tolerate?

"Sane, well-adjusted, happy." This Is Not The Mark I Know.

:-P

(And just what's so damned great about being sane and well-adjusted,
anyway?)
--
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Christopher A.Lee

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On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:46:35 -0700, Frank Mayhar <fr...@exit.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:53:44 -0700, skyeyes wrote:
>> Listen to Mark Bilbo, he's a wise man who's been
>> through something similar, and he's a sane, well-adjusted, happy person
>> today.
>
>Um.
>
>What?
>
>Is this the same Mark Bilbo we all know and occasionally tolerate?
>
>"Sane, well-adjusted, happy." This Is Not The Mark I Know.

But is it the Mark Bilbo _he_ knows?

de_menezes

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"i quit everything now" <iquitever...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191510727....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 4, 6:49 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
>> Ooooookay. Have you considered switching to decaf?
>> --
>
>
> when i wrote that i was half wasted. 2 beers, 2 vicodins. i was as
> decaffeinated as possible.
> i could hardly even see the screen.

I guess you have just found Jesus, according to Robibnikoff.


Mark K. Bilbo

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Yah but. Be careful with that. It can get outta control...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you're
told. Religion is doing what you're told, not matter what
is right."

- Jerry Sturdivant

Mark K. Bilbo

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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:05:33 -0500, Ghod wrote:

> Lucky you. People keep telling me I'm wrong to take no interest in my
> father (sits around depressed, when he's not endangering school bus
> passengers [he's really a bad driver, too]). My mother's taken refuge
> in religion...Southern Baptist.

What *IS* it with people always yapping about "reconciliation" is if life
is a Lifetime movie where everybody hugs in the end?

Life doesn't always work that way. People fuck up. Sometimes they fuck up
badly. My father did. And long enough that I'm looooong past feeling
anything strong about him at all.

Sort of vague pity I reserve for people who screw themselves good and
hard but nothing more.

Sometimes, you just move on...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------

"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"

Robibnikoff

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"Ghod" <gh...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:fe3kit$eav$1...@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> news:5mkjflF...@mid.individual.net...

> :
> : "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message

snip


> : > Oh come on now, if you're young going through all this, it really
> does
> : > look like the end of the world. I remember just how insane it was
> in my
> : > house when something like that happened.
> : >
> : > There's nothing quite like finding out your father has been
> "allowed to
> : > resign" because teenage girls at the high school where he taught
> were on
> : > the verge of pressing charges.
> : >
> : > I think I was about 16 at the time.
> : >
> : > And we're talking a small town. I had people making comments to me
> at
> : > school. *Everybody* was chattering about that one.
> : >
> : > Let's just say it was a "nasty" divorce...
> :
> : Oh my. Hey, I understand what you're saying. At least I didn't
> find out
> : what a shit my dad was until after he croaked. I just skimmed the
> original
> : post - too much bad grammar to take seriously.
>
> Lucky you. People keep telling me I'm wrong to take no interest in my
> father (sits around depressed, when he's not endangering school bus
> passengers [he's really a bad driver, too]). My mother's taken refuge

> in religion...Southern Baptist.\

Oh dear. Definitely doesn't sound like a good situation for anybody :(

Robibnikoff

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"Ghod" <gh...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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Ah, yes. The good old days.

Been there and done (most of) that. However when you reach your mid 40s,
that shit starts to catch up with you. Not to mention that I have too many
important responsibilities (i.e., kid, family, etc.) to fuck around with
myself like that any more.

Uncle Vic

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Getting fucked up is the only way to see Jesus...

--
Uncle Vic
#2011

Uncle Vic

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Oct 5, 2007, 12:51:09 PM10/5/07
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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> Well, you can't trust everyone, and Christ warns us to beware of
> wolves in sheep's clothing.

Or popes wearing dresses.

> By the way, some of us are quite opposed
> to such despicable behavior, but guard yourself from thinking that
> your are perfect and without sin. Only Christ was perfect.

What about Mohammad?

--
Uncle Vic
#2011

Robibnikoff

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"Uncle Vic" <add...@withheld.com> wrote in message
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Where the hell did I mention anything about Jesus? ;P

de_menezes

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"Uncle Vic" <add...@withheld.com> wrote in message news:V8ydnbt0ZYNE95va...@inreach.com...

Well, I am aware of the fact that that is the only way for you,
Uncle Shit, not to 'see Jesus', but to be 'free'.

Sad.

Kelsey Bjarnason

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First, allow me to offer my sympathies. It sucks, and you don't deserve
it.

That said, let me don my "I'm a god-deluded idiot" hat for a moment.

You see, God is all-good. Thus, any bad that is done is done by us, not
by him. We have free will, it's all our choice. Apparently your parent
made bad choices, thus caused all the bad stuff. But don't worry, just
keep the faith and it'll all be better when you're dead.

Sick, ain't it? If God were worth the price to piss on, he'd do
something. He doesn't. Kinda makes you think he don't exist, don't it?


--
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