Should the US be a Christian nation?
V
Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/2006/12/is_america_a_christian_nation/
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V writes:
Should the US be a Christian nation?
That is an excellent question.
Probably so, what is the alternative?
Buddhism is OK, but Buddhism offers little in charitable work as the
Christians do. "
"Real Buddhists" detach themselves from life to escape samara, begging
for their food, not handling money, not reproducing. Not very
practical for a flourishing US economy. Even if money be damned, we
can't all beg off each other. And someone has to make the electric and
process the human waste. Early Buddhists realized this problem and
Mahayana and Pure Land Buddhism was invented to get around some of
this problem.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=508.0
In addition, the Christians can defend us in war, where the Buddhists
would end up like the monks do in Burma.
Should our country be an atheist run country like China, Russia or
Burma?
I think history answers that question.
Atheists like to fantasize what the world would be like if religion
would never have been invented.
Sure Christians do bad things, so do all practitioners in other
religions.
Taoists tell us - "fleas come with the dog." So we must accept that
every man made religion has some problems and defects within it.
But many of these religious practitioners also do good things. You
never see atheists taking up charitable works and feeding and clothing
the poor in any organized way as Christians do.
There may be the odd atheists philanthropists here or there, but
nothing organized like Christians charitable organizations. I wrote to
the president of American Atheists, UK Atheists, the Secular Humanism
Foundation, Sam Harris and others about this very topic...none had the
courtesy to reply.
Shows how much interest atheists really have in humanity.
No, I prefer to keep things as they are and keep religions, even with
all their imperfections.
I believe religions do more good than harm.
I shudder to think what the world would be like if it was composed
solely of atheists. But I also like to keep the atheists around to
remind us all to come back to earth once in while and look for
truth...especially when some of us start to kill in the name of God.
But as for the mix of spiritual based or atheistic persons in the US
or the world? The facts show clearly that when people are devoid of
religion they generally stink as humane humans.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=509.0
A Hindu sage once told me -
"Just as water floes downhill without effort but requires outside
forces and energy to make it move uphill. So the human consciousness
falls to its lowest levels of the senses without effort and energies
to make our consciousness gravitate to more than our base desires."
As such, religion and the search for spiritual values are the lesser
of two evils with humans, if the other choice is a life devoid of
spiritual values.
But spiritual values and atheists do not generally mix?
An anonymous atheist once told me:
"What is spirit or spirituality V? Without knowing what you mean by
the word, one can't know what you mean. Why study something for which
you not only have no evidence, but not even a definition?"
Yes, spiritual concepts are hard to define, just as the source of the
wind is hard to define. Since spiritual matters deal with the unseen
and the unknown, how can we define them perfectly?
If we could do that they would not be spiritual studies.
You can't see why one person is loving and kind and another person is
a fiend of perennial shame, hate and destruction. Nor can you see what
made the hate monger change into a kind and loving human.
We can describe spiritual concepts and the journey that made the
change possible, but it is impossible to put our finger on it all
exactly.
Spiritual growth is a journey that is a never ending, an imperfect
process in this life. But just as we can see the effects of the wind,
while being blind to its source; we can most definitely see the
difference in people that incorporate spiritual values within their
lives when compared to people that live a life devoid of any spiritual
values.
"No man is so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other
counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for
a master." Ben Jonson
No one said we have to 'investigate it all,' but we do have to give it
some thought if we wish to be at peace.
That is the beauty of being a freethinker. We can think for ourselves.
As such, when we get a toolbox we can decide which tools to use for
the job. Some tools are used a lot, other tools are left alone for the
time being, and still others are trashed when we see they are broken
and useless.
Traditional freethinkers (atheists) do not accept me as one of their
group, since I draw from spiritual paths as well as wordily areas to
garner wisdom to live at peace.
Traditional freethinkers do not like anything that comes from
religion.
Kind of a misnomer isn't it...I'm a freethinker...but I must block out
everything that comes from religion and spiritual traditions and
whatever other prejudice I wish to inject into the equation?
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0
Psychologist William James once said, "A great many people believe
they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."
When we limit prejudice we can open our minds to truth and peace. And
realize the truth of Blake's words that "all deities reside within the
human breast."
Yes, if it is religion that an atheists need to adopt, they only have
to look as far as the religion of humanity. But just paying secular
humanism lip service will not do any good. Our talk of spiritual
values must match our actions.
See:
It would be nice if humans acted logically and their actions only
worked to make their species flourish and promoted inner peace to all
- but they don't.
Humans need moral guidance or a moral conscience since they have a
'free will' of sorts.
Actually it is like this.
We are free to do what we want -- but are not free to want what we
want.
All our actions have consequences, and many of our actions produce
consequences that end up destroying peace. (both ours and other's
peace).
This is what separates us from the animals that run solely on
instinct.
Humans run by instinct as well as moral guidance. And religion offers
a pre-packed set of morals for humans to adhere to.
Whether this moral conscience in divinely inspired or from Nature I
don't know - that is why I am an agnostic.
But If I had to guess I would lean towards the atheistic view of
Nature based conscience, since I have not found any evidence of a God
such as the monotheists claim....but as an agnostic I keep looking.
And as I look with an open mind, I am reminded each day that there are
powers greater than myself in charge and we are all interdependent and
not independent with one another and hope one day we can all come to
realize that we all share the same breath.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=504.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
vf...@aol.com
Bill M
secular nation that permits people to follow ANY religion they wish
including atheism.
We have FREEDOM of religion, not compulsion to follow Christianity or any
other religion including NONE!
"V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bill Dukenfield
>
> Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>
> Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
> Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
> saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
> they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>
> http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/2006/12/is_america_a_christian_nation/
>
Absolutely not.
It is forbidden by the Constitution of the United States.
JAM
duke
>Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>
>Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
>they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
Absolutely yes.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
>Our Constitution does NOT claim the U. S. to be Christian Nation. It is
>secular nation that permits people to follow ANY religion they wish
>including atheism.
>We have FREEDOM of religion, not compulsion to follow Christianity or any
>other religion including NONE!
Wow, I think you finally got it right, willie.
Uncle Vic
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:56:38 -0700, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>>
>> Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>> Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>> saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
>> they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>
> Absolutely yes.
>
Why?
--
Uncle Vic
#2011
duke
>Why?
It would be great for the country.
Lucifer
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:56:38 -0700, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>
> >Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
> >Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
> >saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
> >they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>
> Absolutely yes.
Why doyou hate america so much? Even we Euopeans don't loahe you so
much as you seem to, duckie boy.
--
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and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
Libertarius
> Our Constitution does NOT claim the U. S. to be Christian Nation. It is
> secular nation that permits people to follow ANY religion they wish
> including atheism.
>
> We have FREEDOM of religion, not compulsion to follow Christianity or any
> other religion including NONE!
===>Hi Bill,
Remember the famous Treaty of Tripoli, approved by Congress and signed
by the president. As such, it is part of the US Constitution!
It says:
"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense,
founded on the Christian religion."
When President Adams signed the treaty and proclaimed it to the nation
on 10 June 1797, he declared:
"Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of
America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the
advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same,
and every clause and article thereof. And to the End that the said
Treaty may be observed and performed with good Faith on the part of the
United States, I have ordered the premises to be made public; And I do
hereby enjoin and require all persons bearing office civil or military
within the United States, and all other citizens or inhabitants thereof,
faithfully to observe and fulfill the said Treaty and every clause and
article thereof."
"the treaty and Adams' statement reprinted in full in three newspapers,
two in Philadelphia and one in New York City and, in one case, held the
actual newspaper (the Philadelphia Gazette and Universal Daily
Advertiser for Saturday, 17 June 1797) in my hands. There is no record
of any public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers."
SEE: "Does the 1796-97 Treaty with Tripoli Matter to Church/State
Separation?" at
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/buckner_tripoli.html
-- L.
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Uncle Vic
with this:
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:04:13 -0700, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:56:38 -0700, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>>>>
>>>> Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>>>> Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>>>> saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right.
>>>> Are they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>>>
>>> Absolutely yes.
>
>>Why?
>
> It would be great for the country.
>
Why?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Al Klein
wrote:
>duke wrote:
>Why?
Because Puke's uncomfortable if people are allowed to not believe in
his religion. Of course Puke himself is one of the best arguments
AGAINST Christianity.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
Dave Oldridge
news:1191426998....@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>
> Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
> Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
> saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
> they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
Except they are not politically conservative and they aren't orthodox
Christians. They are radical theocrats with designs of overthrowing the US
constitution.
--
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ICQ 1800667
Scaler
founded using many Christian principals, because our founding fathers
had the freedom to choose to observe & practice christianity, however
they did not make LAW that anyone follow christianity or any other
religion. they gave us the freedom to choose, and they said that
freedom comes from God himself. God does not force anyone to follow
him. He gave us freewill. Our founding fathers saw that as SO
important to make it part of the Constitution, Bill of Rights etc.
how I'm sure I've made some errors here and there, someone will no
doubt correct me, but I do believe that was the GENERAL idea.
On Oct 3, 10:56 am, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
> Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>
> Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
> Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
> saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
> they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>
> http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/2006/12/is_america_a_chris...
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/769d7275...
Robibnikoff
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> okay I am no historian, but as I understand it, the United States was
> founded using many Christian principals, because our founding fathers
> had the freedom to choose to observe & practice christianity,
Though they didn't.
however
> they did not make LAW that anyone follow christianity or any other
> religion. they gave us the freedom to choose, and they said that
> freedom comes from God himself. God does not force anyone to follow
> him.
What god?
--
Robyn
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#1557
Christopher A.Lee
<sprite...@directvinternet.com> wrote:
>okay I am no historian, but as I understand it, the United States was
>founded using many Christian principals,
Wrong.
> because our founding fathers
>had the freedom to choose to observe & practice christianity, however
And many of them weren't Christians.
Even the Christians among them (well most anyway) knew about the evils
and strife of official religion. The Reformation was too recent, and
there had been strife between the early colonies.
So they set up a secular nation with a secular constitution
guaranteeing freedom of religious conscience for everybody.
Don't they teach history any more in the USA?
>they did not make LAW that anyone follow christianity or any other
>religion. they gave us the freedom to choose, and they said that
>freedom comes from God himself.
Where did they say that? Hint: they didn't.
> God does not force anyone to follow
Because figments of your deluded imagination don't do anything.
>him. He gave us freewill. Our founding fathers saw that as SO
Prove it exists to do that, brainwashed moron.
>important to make it part of the Constitution, Bill of Rights etc.
They did no such thing. And you know that, so stop lying.
Or did you fail civics?
>how I'm sure I've made some errors here and there, someone will no
>doubt correct me, but I do believe that was the GENERAL idea.
Then you're a pig-ignorant idiot.
Libertarius
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:56:38 -0700, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>>
>>Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>>Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>>saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
>>they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>
>
> Absolutely yes.
===>Ah, an old-fashioned Catholic who would just LOVE
to bring back the Inquisition, with its totalitarian
rule and burning of the dissident "heretics"!
Thanks for revealing your true identity, Duckie! -- L.
The Chief Instigator
>On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:56:38 -0700, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>>Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>>Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>>saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
>>they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>Absolutely yes.
Absolutely not, Earl. We've already seen the "rewards" of countries where
only one faith is allowed.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 5, San Antonio 4 (September 29)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 6 vs. Chicago, 7:35
Mark K. Bilbo
> okay I am no historian, but as I understand it, the United States was
> founded using many Christian principals
Oh?
Name these "principals".
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
duke
>One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckg...@cox.net> bloodied us up
>with this:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:04:13 -0700, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>duke wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:56:38 -0700, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>>>>>
>>>>> Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>>>>> Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>>>>> saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right.
>>>>> Are they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely yes.
>>
>>>Why?
>>
>> It would be great for the country.
>>
>
>Why?
It would have a higher morals code.
duke
>> >Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>> >Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>> >saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
>> >they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>
>> Absolutely yes.
>Why doyou hate america so much? Even we Euopeans don't loahe you so
>much as you seem to, duckie boy.
We would have a higher morals code if we were a Christian nation.
duke
>duke <duckg...@cox.net> writes:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:56:38 -0700, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>>Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>
>>>Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>>>Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>>>saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
>>>they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>
>>Absolutely yes.
>
>Absolutely not, Earl. We've already seen the "rewards" of countries where
>only one faith is allowed.
Islam?
Martin
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:31:50 -0700, Lucifer <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>>>> Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>>>> saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
>>>> they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>>> Absolutely yes.
>
>> Why doyou hate america so much? Even we Euopeans don't loahe you so
>> much as you seem to, duckie boy.
>
> We would have a higher morals code if we were a Christian nation.
Open season on choir boys doesn't count duke
Uncle Vic
with this:
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:41:09 -0500, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
> wrote:
>
>>One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckg...@cox.net> bloodied us up
>>with this:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:04:13 -0700, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>duke wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:56:38 -0700, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>>>>>> Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>>>>>> saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are
>>>>>> right. Are they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely yes.
>>>
>>>>Why?
>>>
>>> It would be great for the country.
>>>
>>
>>Why?
>
> It would have a higher morals code.
>
Higher than now? We don't have enough jails to hold all the "moral"
Christians in this country already.
Michelle Malkin
"Uncle Vic" <add...@withheld.com> wrote in message
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> One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckg...@cox.net> bloodied us up
> with this:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:41:09 -0500, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckg...@cox.net> bloodied us up
>>>with this:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:04:13 -0700, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:56:38 -0700, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>>>>>>> Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>>>>>>> saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are
>>>>>>> right. Are they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Absolutely yes.
>>>>
>>>>>Why?
>>>>
>>>> It would be great for the country.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Why?
>>
>> It would have a higher morals code.
>>
>
> Higher than now? We don't have enough jails to hold all the "moral"
> Christians in this country already.
Especially Catholics and Baptists who fill up US
prisons more than any other religions.
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Sinclair Lewis
duke
>One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckg...@cox.net> bloodied us up
>with this:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:41:09 -0500, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckg...@cox.net> bloodied us up
>>>with this:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:04:13 -0700, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:56:38 -0700, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Posted by Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>>>>>>> Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>>>>>>> saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are
>>>>>>> right. Are they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Absolutely yes.
>>>>
>>>>>Why?
>>>>
>>>> It would be great for the country.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Why?
>>
>> It would have a higher morals code.
>>
>
>Higher than now? We don't have enough jails to hold all the "moral"
>Christians in this country already.
The ones in jail are short on morals.
duke
wrote:
>>>>> It would be great for the country.
>>>>Why?
>>> It would have a higher morals code.
>> Higher than now? We don't have enough jails to hold all the "moral"
>> Christians in this country already.
>Especially Catholics and Baptists who fill up US
>prisons more than any other religions.
Nah, they just checked the box.
Uncle Vic
As are most xians, including yourself.
duke
>>>Higher than now? We don't have enough jails to hold all the "moral"
>>>Christians in this country already.
>> The ones in jail are short on morals.
>As are most xians, including yourself.
Hell is filled with volunteers.
Uncle Vic
with this:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:18:02 -0500, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>Higher than now? We don't have enough jails to hold all the "moral"
>>>>Christians in this country already.
>>> The ones in jail are short on morals.
>>As are most xians, including yourself.
>
> Hell is filled with volunteers.
>
Show me.
Father Haskell
> okay I am no historian, but as I understand it, the United States was
> founded using many Christian principals,
You mean "principles," don't you?
"The United States is in no sense founded upon the
christian religion."
duke
>>>>>Higher than now? We don't have enough jails to hold all the "moral"
>>>>>Christians in this country already.
>>>> The ones in jail are short on morals.
>>>As are most xians, including yourself.
>> Hell is filled with volunteers.
>Show me.
ONly a fool of a volunteer would expose himself like that.
Uncle Vic
this:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:31:51 GMT, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>Higher than now? We don't have enough jails to hold all the "moral"
>>>>>>Christians in this country already.
>>>>> The ones in jail are short on morals.
>>>>As are most xians, including yourself.
>
>>> Hell is filled with volunteers.
>>Show me.
>
> ONly a fool of a volunteer would expose himself like that.
See? You can't show me your hell. All you've got is invented nonsense
passed down from generation to generation like a bad rumor, and dogma that
changes from church to church.
I don't believe you, or any other theist.
duke
>>>> Hell is filled with volunteers.
>>>Show me.
>> ONly a fool of a volunteer would expose himself like that.
>See? You can't show me your hell. All you've got is invented nonsense
>passed down from generation to generation like a bad rumor, and dogma that
>changes from church to church.
Yeah, but a man, a man that walked out of his grave after being there for 3 days
and after picking up souls held between heaven and hell for all previous
eternity, stated there was, I believe.
>I don't believe you, or any other theist.
Hey, I keep telling you - it's your funeral, not mine. Do whatever floats your
boat. I can't only try to help you - I can't make you drink.
Libertarius
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:31:50 -0700, Lucifer <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Some politically conservative Christians say that America is "a
>>>>Christian nation," and at this time of year, with the country
>>>>saturated with Christmas imagery, it can seem that they are right. Are
>>>>they? Is America a "Christian nation"? Should it be?
>>
>>>Absolutely yes.
>
>
>>Why doyou hate america so much? Even we Euopeans don't loahe you so
>>much as you seem to, duckie boy.
>
>
> We would have a higher morals code if we were a Christian nation.
===>As shown by the Holy Roman Empire and its immoral popes and
bishops and its Inquisition? ;-) -- L.
Uncle Vic
with this:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:36:07 -0500, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
> wrote:
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>>>>> Hell is filled with volunteers.
>>>>Show me.
>
>>> ONly a fool of a volunteer would expose himself like that.
>
>>See? You can't show me your hell. All you've got is invented
>>nonsense passed down from generation to generation like a bad rumor,
>>and dogma that changes from church to church.
>
> Yeah, but a man, a man that walked out of his grave after being there
> for 3 days and after picking up souls held between heaven and hell for
> all previous eternity, stated there was, I believe.
That argument is unacceptable in reality, even outside your own religion.
>
>>I don't believe you, or any other theist.
>
> Hey, I keep telling you - it's your funeral, not mine.
And you're not invited.