Retrogrades in a Natal Chart
N Jowdy
writes:
Jane Eisenstein (ja...@world.std.com) wrote:
: Jennierose Lavender (lavender@linex) wrote:
: : I want to say here that I *love* this forum, this alt.astrology!
I am
: : forced to think, to evaluate, to dig into my memory banks, and to do
some
: : research. I love learning like this.
: : Jennierose Lavender
: : lave...@linex.com
: Here's another welcome. Seems one interpretation of Comet meets
: Jupiter might be found in the synchronicity of Jennierose meets
: alt.astrology. Wait, I think I see another impact plume rising.
: --
: Jane Eisenstein
: ja...@world.std.com
Ha ha ha---and I'm really laughing, really. I'm enjoying myself
so much with this, I guess you could say there is a fire plume rising.
Jennierose
lave...@linex.com
Jennierose and Jane - I agree with you. This board is really great -
informative and funny at the same time. If I may add my 2 cents - Are
those fiery lavender plumes? On a more serious note - when my progressed
natal Uranus went direct about 2 years ago, I finally began to break the
shackles of my natal Sun-Saturn opposition. However, I do not think that
you can do a difinitive statement about retrogrades without looking at the
whole chart. Seems to me that the retrograde would be affected by planet,
house, sign etc - i.e. a retrograde Mercury in Aries would manifest
differently than, say, a retrograde Mercury in Pisces, etc. Also , age at
when retrograde went direct and whether it was an inner or outer planet.
So many of the outer planets are retrograde so much of the time;
interpretation of those energies really depends on the individual chart???
Namaste N Jowdy
csc_gs...@emuvax.emich.edu
I'll bite. Don't have anything particular to add to the analysis, but
my retrogrades are Mars(4Can19)(also btw one corner of a GWT) and
Uranus(25Leo04) and Pluto(7Vir52). So what does this do for me that these are
retrograde as opposed to not being so? Julie
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Jennierose Lavender
: In article <Ct5z6...@nbn.com>, lavender@linex (Jennierose Lavender)
: writes:
: Jane Eisenstein (ja...@world.std.com) wrote:
: : Jennierose Lavender (lavender@linex) wrote:
: : : I want to say here that I *love* this forum, this alt.astrology!
: I am
: : : forced to think, to evaluate, to dig into my memory banks, and to do
: some
: : : research. I love learning like this.
: : : Jennierose Lavender
: : : lave...@linex.com
: : Here's another welcome. Seems one interpretation of Comet meets
: : Jupiter might be found in the synchronicity of Jennierose meets
: : alt.astrology. Wait, I think I see another impact plume rising.
: : --
: : Jane Eisenstein
: : ja...@world.std.com
: Ha ha ha---and I'm really laughing, really. I'm enjoying myself
: so much with this, I guess you could say there is a fire plume rising.
: Jennierose
: lave...@linex.com
: Jennierose and Jane - I agree with you. This board is really great -
: informative and funny at the same time. If I may add my 2 cents - Are
: those fiery lavender plumes? On a more serious note - when my progressed
You betcha they're fiery lavender! How not?
: natal Uranus went direct about 2 years ago, I finally began to break the
: shackles of my natal Sun-Saturn opposition. However, I do not think that
: you can do a difinitive statement about retrogrades without looking at the
: whole chart. Seems to me that the retrograde would be affected by planet,
: house, sign etc - i.e. a retrograde Mercury in Aries would manifest
: differently than, say, a retrograde Mercury in Pisces, etc. Also , age at
: when retrograde went direct and whether it was an inner or outer planet.
: So many of the outer planets are retrograde so much of the time;
: interpretation of those energies really depends on the individual chart???
: Namaste N Jowdy
Of course it matters what sign and even what house retrograde
planets reside in. And when they go direct. If a two year old's mercury
R goes direct, maybe he didn't do any talking until then, and suddenly
he's talking all the time. Whereas, for an adult with mercury just going
direct, the native could find new outlets for communication. Or could
have been shy, and suddenly starts talking! It's kinda the same.
However, generally speaking, a child's chart would give a
different reaction than an adult's at some level. And no two charts will
create the same reaction. Only similar.
Jennierose
lave...@linex.com
Meade Roberts
: : Jupiter might be found in the synchronicity of Jennierose meets
: : alt.astrology. Wait, I think I see another impact plume rising.
: : --
: : Jane Eisenstein
Here you go Jane, another member of the women's league of alt.astrology!
Welcome Jennierose. May your stay be enjoyable.
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. me...@netcom.com OR me...@ds.plaza.adp.com .
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Candy Martin
have experienced both Venus and Mars ... and they were not so bad. With
Venus...I learned what love really was...and now that it has turned
direct again I am using it outwardly. The Mars is in Leo, both natally
and by progression....and as it turned rx I began to paint on canvas with
oils...then added watercolors. I sold my first painting to a customer in
May! So...there can be a positive side to everything if we choose to use
it that way!
Also, when natally Rx Uranus turned direct (and in Aries) I began
to let my "differentness" show!
Hugs, Carmelita
Carmelita Martin, Astrological Consultant
cma...@halos2.com *** 918-687-4515 voice
John C Costello
And while you're at it, what about Saturn retrograde? (In Aries, no less.)
Actually, just a reference to a good book which discusses retrogrades would
be appreciated. No need to list the effects of retrograde for *all* the
planets.
John C.
(probably reflects my inability/lack of desire to wake up before 10am.:^)
Jennierose Lavender
: Hi, Jennierose. Regarding planets that turn retrograde by progression, I
Wow! Perfect description of mars going direct in leo!
Congratulations for selling your first painting. Good for you!
And uranus in aries--perfect!
And venus, too. Lucky you!
I've had neptune go direct. In recent years. Pluto went direct
when I was two. Interesting. I've never looked at that before. It's
pluto that caused me to have the big secret in my life. The major
problem, incest, started when I was 4 & 1/2. But it could have started
earlier, just in a different form. Huh!
Well, thanks, Carmelita, for your input and the obvious
expressions of planets going direct.
And especially thanks for the hugs! And hugs back to you!
Jennierose
lave...@linex.com
Jennierose Lavender
: : : Here's another welcome. Seems one interpretation of Comet meets
Awww, thanks. I feel so very welcome here. And I love it! I'm
hoping that once jupiter moves past its opposition with my mercury I'll
slow down a little. I'm getting bleary-eyed.
Really, Meade, thanks for the welcome.
Jennierose
lave...@linex.com
Meade Roberts
: O.k Meade,
: I'll bite. Don't have anything particular to add to the analysis, but
: my retrogrades are Mars(4Can19)(also btw one corner of a GWT) and
: Uranus(25Leo04) and Pluto(7Vir52). So what does this do for me that these are
: retrograde as opposed to not being so? Julie
Hi Julie,
No biting is necessary but, whatever. :) In fact, there's no biting to
be done here. My point is that your retrogrades are many, many people's
retrogrades, being applicable to a whole generation. Mars is getting
more on the personal side, but the Uranus retro is active for almost
every, say, Aquarian Sun you know (that is, for Sun signs around the
Aquarian sector). Perhaps you will see if the Mars retrograde makes
the aspects it is involved in closing or departing ones?
Too Da Loo,
Meade
patrick gootjes
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> Regards,
>
> Meadeness
>
> PS - Bill, are you there? Hey Patrick, jump in anytime. And
> there's always room for a Sky Weasel in these boats. Of
> course, the women's league is always welcome.
Meade,
I wanted to reply earlier, but I couldn't find much to disagree
with in your post...not that it should be the only reason for a
discussion. Your point on how people manifest their
astrological energies to the extent that their will, or awareness
allows, makes the most sense to me. It's something that we all
must remember, before attempting to use astrology as the
"surefire" roadmap to self-discovery, or to discovering others.
I had this one guy take a look at my chart through
E-mail a while back and he was telling me that.... well
I'll give the exact quote, because it left me roaring as I am
sure it will leave you:
"Using my own methods I have rectified your chart to a rising
degree of 22 degrees Capricorn 22 minutes (about 2 minutes earlier
than recorded). Otherwise, you could not have been male. The rising
degree indicates to me though that you have a considerable weight
problem."
Only two degrees holding me in the male gender! Phew, close call eh!
But I am still a fat, wide hipped endomorph, according to his
interpretation.... I laugh mainly because as a child, I was
a rack of bones, until I started lifting weights in highschool,
to become a light weight mesomorph, with stubbornly ectomorphic
legs....:))
I hope I remembered that yukky terminology correctly....
Patty.
Kelly Martin
Meade> Here you go Jane, another member of the women's league of
Meade> alt.astrology! Welcome Jennierose. May your stay be
Meade> enjoyable.
hey, nobody told _me_ about this.... *pout*
k.
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: than recorded). Otherwise, you could not have been male. The rising
: degree indicates to me though that you have a considerable weight
: problem."
: Only two degrees holding me in the male gender! Phew, close call eh!
: But I am still a fat, wide hipped endomorph, according to his
: interpretation.... I laugh mainly because as a child, I was
: a rack of bones, until I started lifting weights in highschool,
: to become a light weight mesomorph, with stubbornly ectomorphic
: legs....:))
: I hope I remembered that yukky terminology correctly....
: Patty.
This reminds me of the Joe Tex tune "Skinny Legs and All":
Will somebody please please take the lady with the skinny legs
...
(refrain)
Well don't you worry about a doggon thing
Cause somebody somewhere will take you baby
Skinny legs and all!
Used to tease my girlfriend no end with that one.
-- Rusty
Jennierose Lavender
: csc_gs...@emuvax.emich.edu wrote:
: : O.k Meade,
: Hi Julie,
: Too Da Loo,
: Meade
Meade, something else makes these generational planets and their
retrogrades more personal and that is aspects to personal planets. Not
everyone with generational planetary retrogrades is affected by them in
the same way. Some natives may not even feel them if no major aspects to
personal planets exist. There may be a small reaction when they go
direct, depending on house position, but without actual aspects to
personal planets, their effects may not even be evident.
Jennierose
lave...@linex.com
patrick gootjes
> This reminds me of the Joe Tex tune "Skinny Legs and All":
>
> Will somebody please please take the lady with the skinny legs
> ...
> (refrain)
> Well don't you worry about a doggon thing
> Cause somebody somewhere will take you baby
> Skinny legs and all!
>
> Used to tease my girlfriend no end with that one.
>
Thanks Rusty, you can call me Patrick though. With all this
gender confusion going on, I thought I'd throw a little "ty"
on the end of my name to keep things stired up...and it also
seems like the womans league is a more popular club to be in....:)
Does the Joe Tex tune apply to me, regardless? :)
Patty, the man with bird legs...
PS - my boss adds a "ty" to every guy's name. I think
he's in the mofia or something.....
Meade Roberts
: Meade,
: I wanted to reply earlier, but I couldn't find much to disagree
: with in your post...not that it should be the only reason for a
: discussion.
Ah, I think the spell is working . . .
: I had this one guy take a look at my chart through
: E-mail a while back and he was telling me that.... well
: I'll give the exact quote, because it left me roaring as I am
: sure it will leave you:
: "Using my own methods I have rectified your chart to a rising
: degree of 22 degrees Capricorn 22 minutes (about 2 minutes earlier
: than recorded). Otherwise, you could not have been male. The rising
: degree indicates to me though that you have a considerable weight
: problem."
Now, I've made space with this word processor to add some comment
here, but nothing's happening . . . Maybe it's that satori
thingy happening again.
: Patty.
Eeeeeee. Your fortune cookie: You will be soon be hearing from
the lonely . . . :)
Toujours L'Amor,
Meadeness
Meade Roberts
: Meade, something else makes these generational planets and their
: retrogrades more personal and that is aspects to personal planets. Not
: everyone with generational planetary retrogrades is affected by them in
: the same way. Some natives may not even feel them if no major aspects to
: personal planets exist. There may be a small reaction when they go
: direct, depending on house position, but without actual aspects to
: personal planets, their effects may not even be evident.
I agree completely! Now let me disagree. :)
My intent in the original post was to suggest that reading a lot into
the retrogradation of outer planets should be tempered with perspective.
Certainly generational influences are keynoted in individuals through
combination with more personal parts of the chart. I am only
suggesting that sometimes these influences were true of _every_
chart with, say, Taurus rising in the 50s. For instance, Uranus,
Neptune, and Pluto were generally in the same houses for each
Taurus rising during a certain time period. This doesn't mean
that they are meaningless or impersonal, but that there is a
generational effect. Now, when the more personal planets keyed
into these generational "templates" the background patterns would
be more personal expressed in those charts. The same goes for
their retrogradation. But I'm suggesting that the retrogradation
of the inner planets is more marked and noticeable because of its
being due to their own orbits and that they are more personally
active in the first place.
The comment that I should be making is that the mind tends toward
black and white. And there is then a tendency to want to ascribe
stark qualities to the retrogradation of the outer planets, as
opposed to their direct motional meanings. I suppose that this
forum lends itself to a discussion of lesser discussed topics
in astrology and more minor parts of the chart. Casual readers
and beginning astrological students be advised: such topics
are subtleties. They are convenient "little topics" that can
be easily munched while watching TV, but are not the mainstay
of astrology. There are other such topics, (e.g. planetary
declinations) which any one person might specialize in and
come up with much through intensified study. But the
tendency is to say, "I am like . . . <whatever>" and
associate that with the retrograde of Neptune (or whatever).
It is more than like that the qualities that the person is
identifing with are to be found in the mainstay, basic
planets.
Of course, since all my planets are retrograde, I could be
wrong. :)
Hasta Luego Companeros,
Meadeness
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As an internet newbie, I hope this message makes it onto the list. I attended
an astrologer's conference in the early 70's where someone said that
retrograde planets caused a person to feel like they are "spinning their
wheels".
I was very interested in this since my natal chart has six retrograde
planets, which I understand is the maximum number that can be
retrograde at any one time.
Any comments?
A
wheels" in their life.
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Hasta Luego Companeros,
Meadeness
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Rusty Trainham
: seems like the womans league is a more popular club to be in....:)
: Does the Joe Tex tune apply to me, regardless? :)
: Patty, the man with bird legs...
Well of course it applies, and that astrological misreading might
have been right after all. A 90 pound weakling *does* have a severe
weight problem: the big boys kick sand in his face and take the
girls away. :(
That's it. I've had it. I'm sending away for that Charles Atlas program...
Hey Leroy, how 'bout you?
Hell, I don't want no lady with no skinny legs.
...
Well, don't you worry about a doggon thing...
-- Rusty (the big red dog)
Jennierose Lavender
: Hasta Luego Companeros,
Good morning, Meade----
Lordy! The thought of *all* one's planets being retrograde is
almost more than this mind of mine can fathom! If it could be so, if all
the planets could be retrograde (were you including sun and moon, which
are *not* actually planets?) a person could be walking backwards, talking
backwards, buttoning his shirts in the back, spitting out food instead of
taking it in, projecting images instead of seeing, and instead of growing
older and taller, he'd be growing younger and shorter!
And actually, if we *don't* count the sun and moon, I guess
there's a possibility that all one's true planets could be retrograde. I
wouldn't want to be that person, not with them retrograde and certainly
not when they went direct, one by one. If I thought *my* life has been a
busy one, whew! *this* one's life would multiply mine by maybe a thousand!
Jennierose
lave...@linex.com
Bill Panepinto
In article <meadeCt...@netcom.com>, me...@netcom.com
(Meade Roberts) writes:
>PS - Bill, are you there? Hey Patrick, jump in anytime. And
> there's always room for a Sky Weasel in these boats. Of
> course, the women's league is always welcome.
I've been extremely busy doing some work on campus, and have had very little
free time to sneak away and post. But be on the lookout for more articles in
the near future...
Take care all,
Bill
=
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Jennierose Lavender
: As an internet newbie, I hope this message makes it onto the list. I
attended
: an astrologer's conference in the early 70's where someone said that
: retrograde planets caused a person to feel like they are "spinning their
: wheels".
: I was very interested in this since my natal chart has six retrograde
: planets, which I understand is the maximum number that can be
: retrograde at any one time.
: Any comments?
: --
: Brenda Guyton P.O. Box 232
: Financial Officer Dallas, TX. 75275
: Southern Methodist University Voice: 768-2403
: Email bgu...@sun.cis.smu.edu Fax: 768-1598
Yeah, Brenda. How about your birth day, month, year, exact time,
and location. I want to see a chart with 6 retrogrades! I'll comment
after I've seen your chart.
Jennierose
lave...@linex.com
Jennierose Lavender
: : Of course, since all my planets are retrograde, I could be
: : wrong. :)
: : Hasta Luego Companeros,
: : Meadeness
: : --
: : .........................................................................
: : . Meade Roberts (503) 223-1007 .
: : . me...@netcom.com OR me...@ds.plaza.adp.com .
: : .........................................................................
: Good morning, Meade----
: Lordy! The thought of *all* one's planets being retrograde is
: almost more than this mind of mine can fathom! If it could be so, if all
: the planets could be retrograde (were you including sun and moon, which
: are *not* actually planets?) a person could be walking backwards, talking
: backwards, buttoning his shirts in the back, spitting out food instead of
: taking it in, projecting images instead of seeing, and instead of growing
: older and taller, he'd be growing younger and shorter!
: And actually, if we *don't* count the sun and moon, I guess
: there's a possibility that all one's true planets could be retrograde. I
: wouldn't want to be that person, not with them retrograde and certainly
: not when they went direct, one by one. If I thought *my* life has been a
: busy one, whew! *this* one's life would multiply mine by maybe a thousand!
: Jennierose
: lave...@linex.com
Well, now we've got a case coming up I think, next after this one,
of a chart with 6 retrograde planets! And I thought you were kidding, Meade.
How many retrograde planets *do* you have? If there are 6 or more, please
let me have your birth data so I can look at your chart.
Jennierose
patrick gootjes
> patrick gootjes (pgoo...@charon.engga.uwo.ca) wrote:
> : Meade,
>
> : I wanted to reply earlier, but I couldn't find much to disagree
> : with in your post...not that it should be the only reason for a
> : discussion.
>
> Ah, I think the spell is working . . .
Yes, <I> - <am> - <assimilating>.....<thank> - <you> - - - <Meade>...:)
> Now, I've made space with this word processor to add some comment
> here, but nothing's happening . . . Maybe it's that satori
> thingy happening again.
By this, do you refer to the satori that means: the state of
spiritual enlightenment brought about by Zen Bhuddism, or the
other definition?
> : Patty.
>
> Eeeeeee. Your fortune cookie: You will soon be hearing from
> the lonely . . . :)
Strange, I've always had an affinity for the lonely.....I look
forward to this encounter!
>
> Toujours L'Amor,
>
Moi aussi, Meade.
Pat.
Jennierose Lavender
: Jennierose Lavender (lavender@linex) wrote:
: : : Hasta Luego Companeros,
: : Jennierose
: : lave...@linex.com
: Jennierose
As it turns out, the network put it on *before* this one!
Jennierose
lave...@linex.com
CHARLES M SEATON
> Meade> alt.astrology! Welcome Jennierose. May your stay be
> Meade> enjoyable.
>
Careful, Kelly, dear. Your gender's showing.
So, Kelly and Patty, what say we form an Obscure, Confusing,
Unknown, Indeterminate, or Misleading Cybersexual-Identity Person's
League? We could call it OCUIMCIPL.
I nominate Oracle, whose posts I read for months before realizing
that she was a woman.
-- Elkins
Meade Roberts
As you detected, yes, the Sun was not retrograde on the date of my
birth (but it was Friday the 13th at midnight in a blizzard). I
still don't believe the tale of the church burning down.
By the way, the retrograde exaggeration was in deference to the
origin of this retrograde thread. I've been teasing Ian about it. :)
Here's the data:
Bridgeport, Conn.
Lat. 41N11
Long. 73W12
February 13, 1948
11:52 P.M. (EST)
How about your own (and any bio)?
A short bio on myself. I was the Santa Barbara, CA astrologer for
about 10 years about 20 years ago. I opened a store ("Starlight")
and it turned into a bookstore. I did 2 2-hour readings a day,
every day. At 29 yrs. old I sold everything and dropped what I was
doing, along with astrology, and wandered the world, mostly in
India, for a couple of years. This was a turning point in a lot
of ways and is a long story, starting with "It was the best of
times; it was the worst of times." The "professional astrologer"
action had burned off in the intensity of those 10 years, along
with related "spiritual" paraphernalia. Watching dust blow
across the face of the earth was where it was at for me then,
and it didn't seem all that much different from the life I'd
led. The weight of many thousands of my own subtle impressions
from days gone by danced in front of my eyes. It was a burning
off process that took a few years to run its course. After
this period I said, "Hey, there's still this Meadeness about
me!", and my friends started calling me that. And now you've
got that story -- I saw yours in one of the other threads. Only
lately have I actually spoken to anyone about astrology again.
It has been there over the years, like the psychism that I
used to stress and work within in the readings, but I've only
been glancing its way.
Again, good seeing you in alt.astrology.
Meadeness
P.S. This is the second message I've tried sending to you via
email. I think it's sinking in that you don't have email service,
n-c'est pas?
Jeanne Sauvage
>Of course, the women's league is always welcome.
Greetings! I haven't been following this thread very closely, so I may have
missed the original context for this comment,
but this statement, in itself, implies that this newsgroup is composed of
"real" astrologers versus a "ladies' auxiliary" a la the
Elks club or something. If this is the case, I want to remind
everyone that an astrologer is an astrologer, regardless of sex.
Before the flames start, if I missed the context which explains
the above context, then I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
Thanks,
Jeanne
jsau...@u.washington.edu
Kelly Martin
ennead> Careful, Kelly, dear. Your gender's showing.
hey, i never made any great effort to hide it. :)
ennead> So, Kelly and Patty, what say we form an Obscure, Confusing,
ennead> Unknown, Indeterminate, or Misleading Cybersexual-Identity
ennead> Person's League? We could call it OCUIMCIPL. I nominate
ennead> Oracle, whose posts I read for months before realizing that
ennead> she was a woman.
i have great fun watching people try to guess my gender sometimes.
it's amusing in the extreme. even more so when they have trouble
understanding that sex and gender aren't the same thing....
Jane Eisenstein
: >me...@netcom.com
Non, non, non Jeanne. You have things backwards. The alt.astrology
news group is a league of women astrologers. As a magnamimous gesture
and with a nod to the Internet's nondiscriminatory philosophy, we
women graciously permit the guys to also participate -- just as if we
took them seriously. Meade's (he's humbly admitted that he's a guy)
remark was a call for a higher, more expert authority to step in and
help the guys out. He obviously felt that a proper response was out
of their league.
You'd think this stuff would be made clear in the FAQ,
Jane Eisenstein
ja...@world.std.com
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Kelly Martin
Jeanne> Greetings! I haven't been following this thread very closely,
Jeanne> so I may have missed the original context for this comment,
Jeanne> but this statement, in itself, implies that this newsgroup is
Jeanne> composed of "real" astrologers versus a "ladies' auxiliary" a
Jeanne> la the Elks club or something. If this is the case, I want to
Jeanne> remind everyone that an astrologer is an astrologer,
Jeanne> regardless of sex.
now, now, jeanne. everyone knows that women make better astrologers
than men. but don't let them know, they'll get jealous.
:)
Patrick Gootjes
ke...@poverty.bloomington.in.us (Kelly Martin) writes:
> now, now, jeanne. everyone knows that women make better astrologers
> than men. but don't let them know, they'll get jealous.
Well, at least we know how to capitalize.......forgive the pun...:)
Jennierose Lavender
lave...@linex.com
Jane Eisenstein (ja...@world.std.com) wrote:
Candy Martin
Regarding Saturn in Aries Rx......you are having to learn self
control before you are put in charge of other people and their duties!
My youngest daughter has this in her chart. Sometimes this can
represent an absent father. My husband died when then daughter was 11 and
she was a daddy's girl! Saturn rules her 7th...and she married a man
eight years her senior...no, not a daddy again. They have worked out a
great partnership!
Carmelita
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Kelly Martin
Patrick> Well, at least we know how to capitalize.......forgive the
Patrick> pun...:)
capital letters are an oppressive tool of the patriarchy.
patrick gootjes
> "Patrick" == Patrick Gootjes <ew...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> writes:
>
> Patrick> Well, at least we know how to capitalize.......forgive the
> Patrick> pun...:)
>
> capital letters are an oppressive tool of the patriarchy.
>
:))))))))))))))))
Uh, oh, next thing you know, we'll be ordered to call you womyn! Men are
herstory by the look's of things...;))
Meade Roberts
: >me...@netcom.com
Thanks to Jane and Kelly for jumping in to clarify the true meaning
of anything I might have said to offend anyone. I rely on the kindness
of others to my own hideous remarks. Really, no offense was intended
and I do regard the "women's league" in the highest esteem. They are
always welcome because they represent the cohesive astrological
element in the group. Gee, they don't fight amongst themselves
or harm one another. I recognize this and spawned the term without
explaining it but assuming that it would be taken as meant, an
homage.
And it seems appropriate that a discussion of retrogrades has
properly shot off target and evolved into the true topics that
delight and plague us. Life is wonderful!
Con muchos, muuuuchos besos a las mujeres! XXX XXX XXX
Meadeness (admittedly, I am a Man!)
Jack E. Warner
CHARLES M SEATON
> it's amusing in the extreme. even more so when they have trouble
> understanding that sex and gender aren't the same thing....
>
> k.
> --
> kelly martin GCS/O -d+(x) H+ s+:- g+? p? au-- !a w++
The last time I used the word "sex" properly, I received
e-mail from a number of confused persons who believed that I referred
to "sexual ORIENTATION." Since then, I have descended to the usage
of the masses.
-- Elkins
Kelly Martin
elkins> The last time I used the word "sex" properly, I received
elkins> e-mail from a number of confused persons who believed that I
elkins> referred to "sexual ORIENTATION." Since then, I have
elkins> descended to the usage of the masses.
shame on you. giving into mass peer pressure.
i never did understand this concept of sexual orientation. for some
reason i think of sexual orientation as how you lie/sit/stand while
having sex....
k.
--
kelly martin GCS/O -d+(x) H+ s+:- g+? p? au-- !a w++
Stephanie A Dobler
>INSTITUTE OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY, DALLAS, TEXAS, IS OFFERING COURSES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY.
Whatever. Just stop shouting.
Dr. Jai Maharaj
ENN...@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (CHARLES M SEATON) wrote:
> The last time I used the word "sex" properly, I received
> e-mail from a number of confused persons who believed that I referred
> to "sexual ORIENTATION." Since then, I have descended to the usage
> of the masses.
> -- Elkins
Namaste!
You are now a devotee at the Temple of the Sub-Genius where
the operating guideline is:
Act Stupid So Others May Understand and Accept Us.
-=Om Shanti=- Jai Maharaj
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CHARLES M SEATON
> > e-mail from a number of confused persons who believed that I referred
> > to "sexual ORIENTATION." Since then, I have descended to the usage
> > of the masses.
> > -- Elkins
>
> Namaste!
> You are now a devotee at the Temple of the Sub-Genius where
> the operating guideline is:
> Act Stupid So Others May Understand and Accept Us.
>
> -=Om Shanti=- Jai Maharaj
Salve!
I'm not quite sure whether you're picking on me or welcoming
me, Jai, but I'll assume the more benign.
-=Vale!=- Elkins
Zara
M{>{ENN...@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU}
M{>> Emotional adolescence is an interesting topic in itself, though I have
M{>> not found it associated with retrogrades myself. It can be found in
M{>> the reaction to various planetary configurations. As usual, we
M{>> would have to start with a definition of the term. Without being
M{>> formal about this, I think you mean to indicate selfish reactivity
M{>> and possibly rebellion from restrictions and authority -- possibly
M{>> through in some over-indulgence.
M{> (lots of nifty stuff above & below deleted)
M{> Well said, Meade!
M{> I'd just like to add that "adolescent" has become quite a
M{>perjorative in our society, a label that is flung about rather wildly
M{>whenever an individual or group behaves in a way that threatens the
M{>societal norm. It seems to me that this use of the word is becoming
M{>even more pronounced as the Baby Boomers hit middle age, although as a
M{>member of the so-called Generation X, I confess that I may be indulging
M{>in a bit of unjust generational stereotyping with this hypothesis.
M{> I think that many of the traits which are commonly dismissed
M{>as "adolescent," are in fact, beneficial - both to the individual and
M{>to humanity as a whole. Learning to rebel against restrictions and
M{>authority (one of Meade's definitions) is a fundamental part of the
M{>individual's development, not just in adolescence, but throughout life.
M{>All too often, it seems to me, adults lose this facility as they get
M{>older, and in doing so, they lose touch with their own, individualistic
M{>desires and needs - setting the stage for mid-life crises later on.
M{>On a more global scale, and to return to some generational stereotyping,
M{>would the various human rights movements of the 60s have been able to
M{>accomplish as much as quickly without the aid of the adolescent rebellion
M{>of the Baby Boomers? I suspect not. (You see, Boomers? We of the
M{>next generation remember your triumphs. Fear not.)
M{> The Boomers' championing of human rights and rejection of
M{>materialist values was perceived by their elders as a case of adolescent
M{>rebellion. My own generation's dissatisfaction with the so-called work
M{>ethic is similarly disparaged: we are called "slackers," immature,
M{>irresponsible, and - inevitably - "adolescent." And yet, the protests
M{>of each generation's youth become the conventional wisdom of the next.
M{> There are, of course, some forms of adolescent behavior which
M{>are only of temporary use and must be outgrown, eventually, if the
M{>individual is to develop and grow. I think it must be remembered,
M{>however, that today's adolescent behavior is tomorrow's status quo.
M{>Those "emotionally adolescent" natives might just be the canaries in
M{>the coal mine, so to speak. Their malaise might well reflect the
M{>problems of the age.
M{> Remember, you're never too old to be angered by injustice!
M{> -- Elkins
Being a "War Baby" (born in 1942), I was a 'tweener. Both
chronologically and astrologically - with Neptune in late Virgo tying me
to the old generation and Pluto in early Leo tying me to the new - I
sort of got to watch the generational crisis as a spectator.
Much of the Boomer rebellion was an exercise in self-indulgence, and
much of the "establishment" resistence was media hype. Quite a sizeable
percentage of the so-called Flower Children were parasites being
subsidized by support payments from Mummy and Daddy at the same time
that they were condemning them for their materialism (the parental
obsession for material security born of the Depression and WWII). And
the parents were footing the bill for their own children while
condemning the behavior of everyone elses', convinced that they had to
continue the directives in Dr. Spock's baby book to let the child be
him/herself.
On the plus side, America was dragged kicking and screaming out of
the Victorian era, and it began to occur to us that maybe the government
*isn't* always right, and that ordinary people could change the world.
Without the '60's, we would still be putting bricks in The Wall.
-Fran Moore-
za...@ace.com
Dr. Jai Maharaj
CHARLES M SEATON
> > > You are now a devotee at the Temple of the Sub-Genius where
> > > the operating guideline is:
> > > Act Stupid So Others May Understand and Accept Us.
> > >
> > > -=Om Shanti=- Jai Maharaj
> >
> > Salve!
> > I'm not quite sure whether you're picking on me or welcoming
> > me, Jai, but I'll assume the more benign.
> >
> > -=Vale!=- Elkins
>
> Very wise, indeed!
> (Ever read the Mensa discussion groups?)
>
> -=Om Shanti=- Jai Maharaj
Salve, Jai!
I'd like to think that it was a wise decision. I wouldn't want
to tangle with you!
So, do our brilliant friends on the Mensa discussoin groups talk
about usage? Or do they discuss the Church of the Sub-Genius?
Vale,
Elkins
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