Poetry collaboration
Amadeus Jinn
This is a method for 2 people.
Basically - first the two people interact in email
to create (what I've called) "Source Material".
Then each of the people use the words and or
ideas, phrases of the common source material
to form their own poem (or poems, whatever they want)
Works like this.
Person A sends B a line of poetry, of some general
agreed on length. (pentameter seems good)
Person B changes this line (any way they want)
adds a line of their own, and sends them back to A.
A changes B's last line, adds their own, and sends back to B.
This repeats until the two feel it is enough.
(10-15 lines?)
At this point there are a set of lines created by revision.
This source material need not make sense.
Then each person creates one or more poems from
the source material. Posting to Usenet makes sense... :)
They are free to create whatever they want. The source
material is free to use for ideas, phrases, words.
Of course adding anything they wish to create their poem,
which can be any form, or free verse. Whatever.
The source material remains known only to the two.
Make sense?
Anyone that wishes to try this with me can send email.
--
AJ http://Here.Nu
http://Midis.Here.Nu
http://Art.Here.Nu
Rik
Who said mangy old dogs can't learn new tricks.
> Then each person creates one or more poems from
> the source material. Posting to Usenet makes sense... :)
> They are free to create whatever they want. The source
> material is free to use for ideas, phrases, words.
>
Fuck off, Little Tommy Tosser.
Rik, knee deep.
George Dance
1) Fuck email. I mean, anyone who wants can do that with you, but I'd
rather give the readers a glimpse into the creative process. At least
that way they won't think we plagiarized or anything. <g>
2) Sounds too long. I'd rather go for finished product in the first
couple of go-rounds, and call it a co-authored poem. (Though of
course either one of us could use it to create his own new work.)
3) I'd like to try it with something longer than a line.
4) Otherwise, all the game rules sound fine. So I'll play.
Here's the 4 lines you gave me yesterday to play with, and 4 more I've
written; for you to play with as you like, in turn, and write 4 more.
The must grows greenly in the morning light
but fades to gray now as the evening moon
subjects the earth and waters in the bight
to stray reflections of a lost balloon;
so all has faded that was my delight
in younger times: now sounds are out of tune,
hues blur, words slur, once great ideas are trite
and everything that lives will die too soon
George Dance
Oops. These 8 lines, as we finally agree on them, are the octet.
Which mean you have to write 3 lines.
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> The must grows greenly in the morning light
> but fades to gray now as the evening moon
> subjects the earth and waters in the bight
> to stray reflections of a lost balloon;
> so all has faded that was my delight
> in younger times: now sounds are out of tune,
> hues blur, words slur, once great ideas are trite
> and everything that lives will die too soon.
>
The sestet will rhyme cdecde, so don't worry about following the above
rhyme scheme; any 3 lines of roughly iambic pentameter, provided
they're worthy enough to follow that octet, will do.
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Amadeus Jinn
"George Dance" <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1188181739....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> 1) Fuck email. I mean, anyone who wants can do that with you, but I'd
> rather give the readers a glimpse into the creative process. At least
> that way they won't think we plagiarized or anything. <g>
People here wouldn't be interested.
Poets yell plagiarist for no rational reason.
"Use a word, go to jail..." :)
> 2) Sounds too long. I'd rather go for finished product in the first
> couple of go-rounds, and call it a co-authored poem. (Though of
> course either one of us could use it to create his own new work.)
Sorry to waste your time. The rewriting of each line is important
to me. How would I do that to the below? The exercise is meant
to teach the distruction of your lines.
You are creating a specific poem from the start.
> 3) I'd like to try it with something longer than a line.
S'okay. Perhaps you can find someone. :)
Perhaps Dennis will join in. :)
> 4) Otherwise, all the game rules sound fine. So I'll play.
>
> Here's the 4 lines you gave me yesterday to play with, and 4 more I've
> written; for you to play with as you like, in turn, and write 4 more.
>
>
> The must grows greenly in the morning light
> but fades to gray now as the evening moon
> subjects the earth and waters in the bight
> to stray reflections of a lost balloon;
> so all has faded that was my delight
> in younger times: now sounds are out of tune,
> hues blur, words slur, once great ideas are trite
> and everything that lives will die too soon
Not bad. Many similar ideas to one of my first
sonnets: "Granite Grasses".
Amadeus Jinn
"George Dance" <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1188183013....@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
But George, I've written enough sonnets.
George Dance
> "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in messagenews:1188183013....@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
OK. I realize that I've jumped into your game saying, "Yeah, I'll
play, but it's gotta be my way!" and that my way may not be fun for
you. You don't have to write me 3 lines.
I would like to finish this as a sonnet; but I suppose there's no need
to rush out a sestet. Write me one line, or none, as you wish.
Meanwhile, I"ll hunt down and read "Granite Grasses".
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> >> > http://Midis.Here.Nu
Amadeus Jinn
"George Dance" <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1188184074.5...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
It actually isn't my game. The rules came from Dale Houstman.
We used it once, and it is the only instance of collaboration on
Usenet poetry that I know.
I loved the interaction we had on the source material.
Fun stuff.
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> I would like to finish this as a sonnet;
I have plenty to stress over. Words, never.
Have fun.
> but I suppose there's no need
> to rush out a sestet. Write me one line, or none, as you wish.
> Meanwhile, I"ll hunt down and read "Granite Grasses".
Really something. I clearly plagiarized most of poetry for /it/... :)
(just ask Dennis)
The thread was from 2002. Different time.
Here is the thread:
http://tinyurl.com/2cjpgc
A number of references/comments on poems I can't remember
writing.
George Dance
> "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in messagenews:1188181739....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> You are creating a specific poem from the start.
>
> > 3) I'd like to try it with something longer than a line.
>
> S'okay. Perhaps you can find someone. :)
> Perhaps Dennis will join in. :)
>
Dennis is one of the people I've successfully co-authored a poem
with. In both those cases, the process was the same; one person wrote
a complete draft, and the other revised it; then the first person
revised in turn; and so on until it was done.
> > 4) Otherwise, all the game rules sound fine. So I'll play.
>
> > Here's the 4 lines you gave me yesterday to play with, and 4 more I've
> > written; for you to play with as you like, in turn, and write 4 more.
>
> > The must grows greenly in the morning light
> > but fades to gray now as the evening moon
> > subjects the earth and waters in the bight
> > to stray reflections of a lost balloon;
> > so all has faded that was my delight
> > in younger times: now sounds are out of tune,
> > hues blur, words slur, once great ideas are trite
> > and everything that lives will die too soon
>
> Not bad. Many similar ideas to one of my first
> sonnets: "Granite Grasses".
>
I enjoyed reading that, though not enough to the point of stealing
anything for this effort of mine. In particular, I didn't like the
phrase, 'granite grasses' - I kept thinking 'granny glasses.'
Now that I've insulted your sonnet (sorry!), let me give you a chance
to insult mine. This is the latest revision, after a day's playing/
working with the damn thing:
Night/fall
The grass shone greenly in the morning light
but fades to gray now as the evening moon
subjects the earth and waters in the bight
to stray reflections of a lost balloon;
the trees that, I remember, were so bright
with colour - scarlet, golden, orange - at noon
have dulled to tarry black and ghostly white
while round them piles of dull gray ash are strewn;
so all has faded that was my delight
in earlier hours: now sounds are out of tune,
hues blur, words slur, once-dear beliefs are trite
and everything that lives will die too soon;
nothing else remains to meet my sight
but these few pale reflections in the night.
Needless to say, there's still some revision needed before I can post
this. Nevertheless, I'd appreciate hearing your crit, if you wish, as
well as whether
you'd consider this result to be authored by me and me alone.
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> >> AJ http://Here.Nu
> >> http://Midis.Here.Nu
Amadeus Jinn
"George Dance" <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1188246902.5...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 26, 7:57 pm, "Amadeus Jinn" <a-j...@here.nu> wrote:
>> "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in messagenews:1188181739....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> You are creating a specific poem from the start.
>>
>> > 3) I'd like to try it with something longer than a line.
>>
>> S'okay. Perhaps you can find someone. :)
>> Perhaps Dennis will join in. :)
>>
>
>
> Dennis is one of the people I've successfully co-authored a poem
> with. In both those cases, the process was the same; one person wrote
> a complete draft, and the other revised it; then the first person
> revised in turn; and so on until it was done.
Ok. Have the thread/link.
>
>
>> > 4) Otherwise, all the game rules sound fine. So I'll play.
>>
>> > Here's the 4 lines you gave me yesterday to play with, and 4 more I've
>> > written; for you to play with as you like, in turn, and write 4 more.
>>
>> > The must grows greenly in the morning light
>> > but fades to gray now as the evening moon
>> > subjects the earth and waters in the bight
>> > to stray reflections of a lost balloon;
>> > so all has faded that was my delight
>> > in younger times: now sounds are out of tune,
>> > hues blur, words slur, once great ideas are trite
>> > and everything that lives will die too soon
>>
>> Not bad. Many similar ideas to one of my first
>> sonnets: "Granite Grasses".
>>
>
>
> I enjoyed reading that, though not enough to the point of stealing
> anything for this effort of mine. In particular, I didn't like the
> phrase, 'granite grasses' - I kept thinking 'granny glasses.'
Fine with me. :) I liked the image of granite grasses.
(which I meant to /image/ the grass that grows over graves
in a cemetery.)
>
> Now that I've insulted your sonnet (sorry!), let me give you a chance
> to insult mine. This is the latest revision, after a day's playing/
> working with the damn thing:
>
>
> Night/fall
>
> The grass shone greenly in the morning light
> but fades to gray now as the evening moon
> subjects the earth and waters in the bight
> to stray reflections of a lost balloon;
> the trees that, I remember, were so bright
> with colour - scarlet, golden, orange - at noon
> have dulled to tarry black and ghostly white
> while round them piles of dull gray ash are strewn;
> so all has faded that was my delight
> in earlier hours: now sounds are out of tune,
> hues blur, words slur, once-dear beliefs are trite
> and everything that lives will die too soon;
> nothing else remains to meet my sight
> but these few pale reflections in the night.
>
>
> Needless to say, there's still some revision needed before I can post
> this.
You just did /post it/. :)
...just curious, a bit, where you would post it -- where it mattered?
There are a number of online forums.
I've been variously praised and ultimately canned from them. :)
> Nevertheless, I'd appreciate hearing your crit, if you wish, as
Not bad, but the premise that everything whithers and dies
is very common. I've done it, read it, etc...
I could place various changes in this, but the "ite/oon" alternate
rhyme seems overdone.
The collaboration method I described allows for arms-length
between collabortators. It was fun: -- the hilarious line revisions
(without regard to any poem, or attempt to make sense or
have continuity)...
Orderly Guy
Yes, You are more of an orderly guy.
And who could blame you since order is sex?
How many white chickens stir clouds as they fly?
I know that you beg on the poetic high
Of the ragerhyme and meter - complex!
Yes, You are more of an orderly guy.
God damn, one more villanelle, listen for sighs!
But lay down the scanners, I'll clean up my specs.
As many white chickens stir clouds as they fly.
I wrote this /before/ - our /old/ time machine died.
Tab B in Slot Z so as not to perplex...
Yes, You are more of an orderly guy ~
etc... ;)
Remember:
"Trinity is the primal source of all reality."
-lao tse
> well as whether
> you'd consider this result to be authored by me and me alone.
I grant all wordpiles to public domain,
there is no need for my attribution. You can legally
attribute and sell copies, all yours. Have fun! :)
"Off the record" -- I would possibly remember that
I had authored part of the above. No issue from any
legal dimension.