What happened to Spumco
Dan Ryan
Spumco website and/or studio. Could someone bring me up to speed?
Ted
Dan Ryan wrote:
>
> I'm new here and have been trying to find out what the hell happened to the
> Spumco website and/or studio. Could someone bring me up to speed?
Spumco is working on new episodes of Ren and Stimpy, in Ottawa, so it is said.
The website went down quite awhile ago, I believe with the semi-excuse
that they were too busy to bother about it. That being said, they
haven't just left the website unupdated, or taken down the old site and
left a page saying something like "Spümco: Gone workin' on Ren and or
Stimpy. Back later" message to save on bandwidth; they've removed the
page entirely. On the positive side, they seem to have kept the domain
name, since there is no spam redirect there.
Stephen (I can never remember if it's ph or v, and probably never will;
sorry) Worth from Spumco does read the messages here, and will
occasionally post to either correct factual errors about present
situations or in answer to some questions. I don't beleieve he answers
broad questions like "What happened to Spumco?", but that may just be
because oher people answer them first...
There is a BBS at
http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos
which is more active than this group, but I dislike the format compared
to usenet (personal choice, tho, as opposed to it being a bad place
except that it has issues with Netscape 4.x, which helps to alienate me
from it).
Stephen W. Worth
wrote:
> I'm new here and have been trying to find out what the hell happened to the
> Spumco website and/or studio. Could someone bring me up to speed?
The website is down for now, because we don't have the resources to
maintain it. Everyone at Spumco is hard at work in Los Angeles and
Canada producing new episodes of Ren & Stimpy for TNN. We have some
other pots on the fire, which we will announce when it gets closer to
the date they will be happenning.
See ya
Steve
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now noticed that the www.spumco.com site says 'under construction' and we
were wondering if you still have the domain name, or if someone is working
on it now....If you guys need any help, I am sure there are dozens of fans
(myself included) that would lend a hand :)
Ted, you should have posted in here if you had any problems with the forum,
then I could have sorted them out :):) I will see why there would be any
conflicts with Netscape, and if anyone has had the same problems. What is
actually happening when you go in on Netscape? Also, I always listen to
constructive criticism, so if you want to tell me the things you dont like
about the format, it will help me make it better for everyone...(I am about
to change the colours, arent they attrocious haha) Anyways, thanks for the
shout out :)
Randi Mueck
ladydea...@yahoo.com
http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos
Stephen W. Worth <ne...@vintageip.com> wrote in message
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Ted
-=Gaylord=- wrote:
snip
>
> Ted, you should have posted in here if you had any problems with the forum,
> then I could have sorted them out :):) I will see why there would be any
> conflicts with Netscape, and if anyone has had the same problems. What is
> actually happening when you go in on Netscape?
Messages don't display. I can get to the second level (i.e., reading the
thread titles), but opening the threads themselves displays only the
background graphic (altho the pages seem to download the rest of the
content).
Remember, this is Netscape Communicator 4.77 for the Mac, not Netscape
7. I don't really expect you to iron this out; I personally think web
pages should have to be readable in Netscape 1, and maybe even in
Mosaic, but pretty much no one even cares about my relatively modern
browser of choice. And Netscape 6 and 7 (or Mozilla) don't cut it as a
replacement. Neither does IE, of course, or Safari.
I check every once in awhile to see if there's anything interesting in
the threads, but if there is, I need to open Safari to read them.
> Also, I always listen to
> constructive criticism, so if you want to tell me the things you dont like
> about the format, it will help me make it better for everyone...(I am about
> to change the colours, arent they attrocious haha)
snip
This is a wider issue with web boards than with MOTLOS specifically;
they require much longer loading times than Usenet(even without
irritating avatars and visual sigs, which generally you need to be
registered and signed in to get rid of), they require more steps to see
what threads are in their fractioned hierarchies (an issue with Usenet,
but not to nearly the same extent; this is actually favorable when
dealing with something very specific, like a specific video game that
generates large amounts of discussion), they generally require
registration to post, they tend to lead towards fewer participants
because of the usually duplicative nature of them (doesn't apply to you;
but things like videogame boards mean there are fewer participants in
any given forum, making for a weaker discussion or source of
information), and, of course, web boards require increasingly new
browsers to run them, for no good reason.
Your interest in improving your boards is appreciated, but I'm afraid
it's more of a systemic problem. My suggestion would be to redirect
everyone to Usenet. But I doubt that's going to happen...
tom
"Ted" <nospam...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> There is a BBS at
> http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos
> which is more active than this group, but I dislike the format compared
> to usenet (personal choice, tho, as opposed to it being a bad place
> except that it has issues with Netscape 4.x, which helps to alienate me
> from it).
Thank you!!! I really liked that forum and thought it went bye-bye with the
site:)
Stephen W. Worth
<big...@BLAHBLAHBLAHntlworld.com> wrote:
> Many of the forum members have
> now noticed that the www.spumco.com site says 'under construction' and we
> were wondering if you still have the domain name, or if someone is working
> on it now
We still have the domain. We have just parked it for the time being.
Thanks for the offer of help. Right now, everyone here is so busy
with Ren & Stimpy, we don't have time to create content for the
web. Hopefully, the market for web content will turn around
soon, and we will be able to come up with a way to make the site
self sustaining. There isn't much point to having a website that
just sits there. It really needs fresh content on a regular basis.
That's going to take advertisers.
Ted
"Stephen W. Worth" wrote:
>
> In article <104609009...@ersa.uk.clara.net>, -=Gaylord=-
> <big...@BLAHBLAHBLAHntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > Many of the forum members have
> > now noticed that the www.spumco.com site says 'under construction' and we
> > were wondering if you still have the domain name, or if someone is working
> > on it now
>
> We still have the domain. We have just parked it for the time being.
> Thanks for the offer of help. Right now, everyone here is so busy
> with Ren & Stimpy, we don't have time to create content for the
> web. Hopefully, the market for web content will turn around
> soon, and we will be able to come up with a way to make the site
> self sustaining. There isn't much point to having a website that
> just sits there. It really needs fresh content on a regular basis.
> That's going to take advertisers.
So, are you claiming you need advertisers for news updates, or are you
equating "fresh content" with multimedia?
While it was certainly pleasant to have multimedia files to download,
they're not required for a good website. Neither are message boards. Or
stupidly complicated java related "features" that piss lots of users
off.
One of the big failures of the old website was its failure to give up to
date news relating to Spumco. For instance, I never read about the
Ripping Friends DVD being released on the site. This is the type of
thing that one would think would be a natural for the Spumco website. Or
the Ripping Friends game for GBA, which was never mentioned as in
development on the site that I can recall. Come to think of it, the
extent of the Ripping Friends coverage was limited to a redirect to the
Fox Kids site, even after that link was dead.
The site did mention the Japanese game Spumco did designs for.
Unfortunately, PS2 games are problematic to import, as there is no
simple way to get a domestic PS2 to play import games. This is not to
say that news wasn't appreciated, because it was; it's to say that a
website is a good promotional tool and that opportunities to promote
Spumco's domestic output through it were often missed, and those
opportunities are the type of thing that would produce high quality
content on a low bandwidth, low maintenance site. They would also help
to avoid the embarassing impression that Spumco has fallen off the face
of the earth. A site with news updates would be much more likely to
attract attention when a given project hits the airwaves, instead of the
project being missed by people who lost track of Spumco and (for
instance) the new episodes of Ren and Stimpy because they weren't kept
apprised of the situation.
Now, if you're going to claim that you guys are too busy to write a
paragraph a month on how the new episodes are progressing (or whatever
is being worked on at the time), inserting it into an html document, and
uploading it to a server, I just don't believe you. If you're claiming
that such a site is cost prohibitive, I don't believe you; your
bandwidth costs for a site which clocks in with a couple of graphics
under 100K (under 50K if you do it right) should be minimal. If whoever
is in charge of deciding whether or not to do a website is in love with
the idea of a high bandwidth, "feature" laden, complicated, time
intensive, useless for what it would cost site and doesn't like the idea
of simply communicating information in a cheap, effective low bandwidth
manner that would provide an internet presence that would promote Spumco
and please fans infinitely more than the present void, I can believe it;
but someone should talk with that person and explain that information
doesn't have to be communicated in a file that takes 70% of potential
users 15 minutes or longer to download and requires a non-existent
business model to support.
Stephen W. Worth
some Clampett and Fleischer cartoons.
Trevour
creating brilliant cartoons, for cartoon lovers the world over. Nowhere
does some Code of Conduct require that they put up a website, period. The
fact that Spumco has had a website in the first place, is to me, an added
bonus for the fans. While it would have been appreciated to have more news
updates, I would rather they spend their time making cartoons than worrying
about giving us news that's readily available from other sources anyway.
Spumco loves their fans... do you remember back in '96 when you could
submit your webpage for a direct link from Spumco's site? They would
actually take the time and link each deserving website. I just don't see
why it's so crucial for them to worry about something as futile as a
webpage. Take a step back, and in the grand scheme of things, a website is
frosting on the cake, especially for a business such as Spumco. This isn't
some multi-zillion dollar corporation here.
Would I like a Spumco website that's regularly updated and full of great
content? Yes. All fans would. Am I pissed that there isn't one? Nope,
and frankly it shouldn't matter. I'm just as anxious as anyone else for
more Spumco productions. But really, any true fan will find out what's
going on from some source, even if it's not direct from Spumco themselves.
Trevour
P.S. Attacking Mr. 'Bigshot' Worth probably isn't the most effective method
of quickening future Spumco website development. Have a swell day!
Wilson
to get these Ren & Stimpy episodes done on schedule. They obviously cannot create
even the simplest of web sites while this is taking place. Their track record
speaks volumes.
Wilson
Ted
Trevour wrote:
>
> First of all, Spumco is a CARTOON STUDIO. They are in the business of
> creating brilliant cartoons, for cartoon lovers the world over. Nowhere
> does some Code of Conduct require that they put up a website, period.
True, but the explanations as to why they haven't put up a website are
insufficient.
" Right now, everyone here is so busy with Ren & Stimpy, we don't have
time to create content for the web."
Having time to post o this forum means they have time to create text
news updates.
"Hopefully, the market for web content will turn around soon, and we
will be able to come up with a way to make the site self sustaining."
A low bandwidth site is inherently low cost. While not technically self
sustaining (as it only has indirect benefits), it should easily be
absorbed into the business expenses of a business, even one as small as
Spumco. If they were really interested in making it self sustaining,
then they should make a new image every month for it from production art
and sell the original production art for a bit more than the bandwidth
costs of the low bandwidth site, having people pay by international
postal money order or some similarly accessible form of payment that
doesn't require them to invoke credit card company costs.
"There isn't much point to having a website that just sits there. It
really needs fresh content on a regular basis. That's going to take advertisers."
If by "sit there" he means "no flash games or other multi meg files",
then he's wrong, as news updates are a big point. If he believes you
need advertisers to maintain a news heavy, low bandwidth site, then he's
either wrong or Spumco is in incredibly bad shape and they should take
all the help they can get from people offering it.
It is also good business sense to keep your fanbase informed with a
continuous drip of news to keep them onboard. And guess what? Most
people aren't going to run across this low traffic Usenet group or look
to it for news. Most are also unlikely to go to MOTLOS to see what's up
with Spumco.
The
> fact that Spumco has had a website in the first place, is to me, an added
> bonus for the fans. While it would have been appreciated to have more news
> updates, I would rather they spend their time making cartoons than worrying
> about giving us news that's readily available from other sources anyway.
So you're saying that Spumco shouldn't spend 15 minutes a month (and
what? $20 a month for a low bandwidth site? Less to Spumco if some of
the help being offered is web hosting?) to maintain a central
promotional presence? And instead they should trust to people's interest
to lead them to gather the tiny shards of information out there?
Interesting theory you've got.
>
> Spumco loves their fans... do you remember back in '96 when you could
> submit your webpage for a direct link from Spumco's site? They would
> actually take the time and link each deserving website. I just don't see
> why it's so crucial for them to worry about something as futile as a
> webpage.
Yes, you're right; you just mentioned one of the most useless features
of the old site that has no place in an efficient site. The links were
scattershot, with no governing scheme, and it wasn't worth the time to
sort through them to find something worthwhile.
Take a step back, and in the grand scheme of things, a website is
> frosting on the cake, especially for a business such as Spumco. This isn't
> some multi-zillion dollar corporation here.
You're right that it's a small company; that means it needs promotion so
that it doesn't sink into loss-making obscurity. It needs a rallying
point for people interested in it. It doesn't take much to maintain a
web presence; it doesn't require infinite bandwidth and lots of money;
it requires a very small amount of time and a little money.
>
> Would I like a Spumco website that's regularly updated and full of great
> content? Yes. All fans would. Am I pissed that there isn't one? Nope,
> and frankly it shouldn't matter. I'm just as anxious as anyone else for
> more Spumco productions. But really, any true fan will find out what's
> going on from some source, even if it's not direct from Spumco themselves.
So, when only the "true fans" know that new Ren and Stimpys are going to
be on TNN, and the numbers for the episodes show that all 3 dozen "true
fans" tuned in but no one else who isn't quite so true a fan did because
they didn't know what was going on, and consequently there are no more
new episodes, you'll be happy?
>
> Trevour
>
> P.S. Attacking Mr. 'Bigshot' Worth probably isn't the most effective method
> of quickening future Spumco website development. Have a swell day!
I don't recall attacking him. I'm attacking website policies that
presuppose a requirement of unsustainably huge files instead of low
bandwidth written content, and giving solid arguments about why it is a
mistake to fail to maintain a low bandwidth presence.
Ted
Wilson wrote:
>
> Spumco cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. I believe they are STRUGGLING
> to get these Ren & Stimpy episodes done on schedule. They obviously cannot create
> even the simplest of web sites while this is taking place. Their track record
> speaks volumes.
They are perfectly capable of creating and maintaining a simple webpage,
no matter their other workload. Anyone with a copy of SimpleText can
create a simple page. They were even capable of maintaining a
complicated web page while doing the Ripping Friends.
They have chosen not to maintain a simple page. And that remains
insufficiently unexplained.
Ted
"Stephen W. Worth" wrote:
>
> When we have stuff to report, I'll let you know.
It's not the people who watch this group who are in danger of falling
out of the loop; it's the people who don't watch the group. Which is
most people. You have given information here, but little has come
without prompting from people's questions or errroneous statements
within the group. You have plenty of information which would be well
placed on a Spumco website.
Until then, enjoy
> some Clampett and Fleischer cartoons.
One might think you'd encourage us to enjoy the Ripping Friends (on VHS,
DVD or Cartoon Network's Adult Swim), Bjork's Volumen (containing the
Spumco video for "I Miss You"), or some other Spumco cartoon.
I personally plan on enjoying the recent Goofy DVD, as the "How To/Art
of" cartoons are some of the funniest ever made.
Wa hoo hoo hooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
hooeeee
Stephen W. Worth
Dan Ryan
Lighten up and pop a Ren and Stimpy tape into the VCR. The world will keep
turning.
Aaron Hazouri
>no matter their other workload. Anyone with a copy of SimpleText can
>create a simple page. They were even capable of maintaining a
>complicated web page while doing the Ripping Friends.
>They have chosen not to maintain a simple page. And that remains
>insufficiently unexplained.
I think the explanation is that they don't have time "on-the-clock" to maintain
a website and simply don't _want_ to do it on their own time (reserved for
eating, sleeping, relaxing, seeing families, etc). Spumco is a cartoon studio;
their business is producing cartoons that will satisfy a large amount of
television viewers.
How much promotion do they really get out of a website for Spumco fans anyway?
They need to promote themselves to people who already follow their work?
Seems like "everyone else" will know all about the ALL NEW REN AND STIMPY SHOW
when the advertising blitz begins. I for one am really interested in seeing
what they come up with, and I'm sure sometime after Ren and Stimpy are finished
they'll have a forum for feedback and "news" and whatnot.
-Aaron
(not a diehard Spumco fan, but a diehard cartoon fan tired of hearing about a
website)
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Ted
Aaron Hazouri wrote:
>
> >They are perfectly capable of creating and maintaining a simple webpage,
> >no matter their other workload. Anyone with a copy of SimpleText can
> >create a simple page. They were even capable of maintaining a
> >complicated web page while doing the Ripping Friends.
> >They have chosen not to maintain a simple page. And that remains
> >insufficiently unexplained.
>
> I think the explanation is that they don't have time "on-the-clock" to maintain
> a website and simply don't _want_ to do it on their own time (reserved for
> eating, sleeping, relaxing, seeing families, etc).
They had a website. If they couldn't devote the funds to a high
bandwidth site (no one would blame them for that), and didn't want to
maintian an active site, they could have left an unupdated page
explaining that they were off working on Ren and Stimpy. Not much effort
involved in that.
And yet they didn't do that; they went blank.
Spumco is a cartoon studio;
> their business is producing cartoons that will satisfy a large amount of
> television viewers.
Somehow I don't think that's what Spumco would say their job was; I'd
guess they'd say their job was making cartoons that satisfy themselves,
at least based on John K.'s old rantings.
>
> How much promotion do they really get out of a website for Spumco fans anyway?
> They need to promote themselves to people who already follow their work?
Yes. They're the natural grassroots core who then spread the word to
others who aren't quite so into it. Usenet fails to have enough
penetration for this type of thing, and neither do 3rd party web boards.
>
> Seems like "everyone else" will know all about the ALL NEW REN AND STIMPY SHOW
> when the advertising blitz begins.
You mean in house ads on TNN? That's not going to do much heavy lifting.
I for one am really interested in seeing
> what they come up with, and I'm sure sometime after Ren and Stimpy are finished
> they'll have a forum for feedback and "news" and whatnot.
Not according to Stephen Worth's recent posts, which imply they need to
find advertisers. Which is not a believable excuse for a simple site.
> -Aaron
> (not a diehard Spumco fan, but a diehard cartoon fan tired of hearing about a
> website)
Well, your options in this newsgroup are pretty much this discussion or
spam. You're tired of it? It's not choking out better content, so who
made you read it so that you are so undeservedly tired from it, and who
made you type to add to it?
Stephen W. Worth
on.
See ya
Steve
In article <3E62EC7E...@nospam.com>, Ted
<nospam...@nospam.com> wrote:
--
Ted
"Stephen W. Worth" wrote:
>
> You really don't know what you're talking about. Stop whining and move
> on.
Perhaps if there was a webpage of information, I would know what I'm
talking about. Stop stonewalling and make one.
Stephen W. Worth
<nospam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Perhaps if there was a webpage of information, I would know what I'm
> talking about. Stop stonewalling and make one.
I owe you nothing.
See ya
Steve
davedude
who cares if the frickin' webpage is up or not.
did he not just tell us they are making "new ren & stimpy"?
what do ya want a little webpage where i can download some "cool"
buttons i can put on my website as links or some gawd damn cartoons.
shit buddy, i think cartoons are more important then the website right
now.
go make your own site, www.spumco.net, then you'll be a hero all the
whiny fags will praise you and kiss your feet.
shut up now about the website now, cause if your caught talking about
it.......your a moron. cartoons vs. website = cartoons wins, simple as
that.
shut up now.
thank you.
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Please look at all the posts in this thread. NOBODY is contesting the
fact that it would relatively easy and relatively inexpensive to have
a simple text feed (Which, from what I understand, looks great on ALL
versions of Mosaic) of news for the Spumco page. You've made that
point about 7 bazillion times and, frankly, I am tired of reading it.
The bottom line is that every single thing Spumco has ever put out has
been beautifully stylized. From cartoons to Three Stooges dolls to
that whimsical Muddy Mudskipper cereal bowl caddy. Everything has a
definite style to it. Without that style it just isn't Spumco. Why
should their website be any different? Because it saves the casual
fan all that time of having to search through these lengthy
newsgroups? Honestly, I don't mind looking through them. Granted I
am hardly a 'casual' Spumco fan, but I don't see all that many topics
saying 'I HATE USENET.' Now I can predict your rebuttal, the casual
fan can't find these newsgroups, right? Well the casual fans don't
even know who made Ren and Stimpy. They just assume it was
Nickelodeon, so they aren't going to Spumco.com in the first place.
Therefore, a news feed for their benefit would be totally worthless!
Not to mention that there are many things, I'm sure, that Spumco is
currently not at liberty to talk about. Both to protect themselves
and their interests as well as the interests of the networks they are
working with. I mean you can't go blabbing about a new series if it
is only 99% sure that it is going to go through. What good would news
that says 'We are currently working on something that is great but we
can't tell you about' do us anyway? None!
Spumco still exists, website or not. I honestly believe that everyone
there is working very hard and putting up a new Spumco styled website
just isn't practical right now. Face the facts, they, no matter how
much you complain, are not going to put up a news page. And I am glad
for that. I want a Spumco page. I want a page full of funny
characters. I want a page with webtoons. And for that, I am willing
to wait. Really, how many people want a simple page of text anyway?
You don't read cartoons afterall.
Jef
Ted
davedude wrote:
>
> jeezuz!!!
> who cares if the frickin' webpage is up or not.
>
> did he not just tell us they are making "new ren & stimpy"?
>
> what do ya want a little webpage where i can download some "cool"
> buttons i can put on my website as links or some gawd damn cartoons.
So what you're saying is that you didn't actually read my posts. Gotcha.
>
> shit buddy, i think cartoons are more important then the website right
> now.
>
> go make your own site, www.spumco.net, then you'll be a hero all the
> whiny fags will praise you and kiss your feet.
What a pleasant fellow you are.
>
> shut up now about the website now, cause if your caught talking about
> it.......your a moron.
The reader may feel free to insert the spelling, capitalization or
punctuation flame of their choosing here.
> cartoons vs. website = cartoons wins, simple as
> that.
>
> shut up now.
No.
>
> thank you.
Oh no, thank you for the scintillating discourse.
Ted
Jef wrote:
>
> Ted:
>
> Please look at all the posts in this thread. NOBODY is contesting the
> fact that it would relatively easy and relatively inexpensive to have
> a simple text feed (Which, from what I understand, looks great on ALL
> versions of Mosaic) of news for the Spumco page.
> You've made that
> point about 7 bazillion times and, frankly, I am tired of reading it.
> The bottom line is that every single thing Spumco has ever put out has
> been beautifully stylized. From cartoons to Three Stooges dolls to
> that whimsical Muddy Mudskipper cereal bowl caddy. Everything has a
> definite style to it. Without that style it just isn't Spumco. Why
> should their website be any different?
http://www.spumco.com/
currently sports a Network Solutions "under construction" page. A news
feed with a single small Spumco graphic would cerainly be more stylish
than the current situation. And would you say that Spumco's style has
been dependent upon the amount of stylish content or the style of the
content that is present?
Because it saves the casual
> fan all that time of having to search through these lengthy
> newsgroups? Honestly, I don't mind looking through them. Granted I
> am hardly a 'casual' Spumco fan, but I don't see all that many topics
> saying 'I HATE USENET.' Now I can predict your rebuttal, the casual
> fan can't find these newsgroups, right?
My understanding is that USENET users are a very small proportion of the
online community (I've heard it's somewhere around 5%). Which means
this forum has a very low level of potential reach, even before
factoring in whether or not people will happen across this (usually) low
traffic newsgroup, and whether or not any relevant articles containing
useful information have expired from their newsserver. This means that
diehard fans are unlikely to run across the info here, as well.
> Well the casual fans don't
> even know who made Ren and Stimpy. They just assume it was
> Nickelodeon, so they aren't going to Spumco.com in the first place.
No, they'd be going to a search engine to look for information. They
might come upon an interview from a few years ago, or a largely
abandoned but still functional site about the history of Ren and Stimpy
that mentions Spumco and points towards Spumco.com. Which then gives the
impression of a company that isn't doing anything. And then they move on
to looking for whatever happened to Aeon Flux, not having been informed
that there are going to be new Ren and Stimpys in the near future,
making them much less likely to just run across the episodes, meaning
fewer people will watch the new episodes, which makes more episodes less likely.
> Therefore, a news feed for their benefit would be totally worthless!
> Not to mention that there are many things, I'm sure, that Spumco is
> currently not at liberty to talk about. Both to protect themselves
> and their interests as well as the interests of the networks they are
> working with. I mean you can't go blabbing about a new series if it
> is only 99% sure that it is going to go through. What good would news
> that says 'We are currently working on something that is great but we
> can't tell you about' do us anyway? None!
This is not the case; Stephen Worth has been releasing information about
the production of new Ren and Stimpy episodes here, although it is
scattershot and will expire.
>
> Spumco still exists, website or not. I honestly believe that everyone
> there is working very hard and putting up a new Spumco styled website
> just isn't practical right now. Face the facts, they, no matter how
> much you complain, are not going to put up a news page. And I am glad
> for that. I want a Spumco page. I want a page full of funny
> characters. I want a page with webtoons. And for that, I am willing
> to wait. Really, how many people want a simple page of text anyway?
> You don't read cartoons afterall.
People tend to not watch cartoons they don't know about, either. Spumco
may not listen to what I have to say, but I don't have to sit still and
let their bad reasoning go unanswered. Failing to have a website is
going to hurt them as a company, and they are not in a position of
strength from which they can heedlessly self inflict damage.
By the way, I appreciate the thoughtful response. Your argument that
Spumco won't put up a site because they refuse to do a site that doesn't
conform to their style is far more plausible than what anyone else has
posted here as a reason why they have no web page (Stephen Worth's
"what's the point of a web page that isn't full of large content?" being
perhaps an embryonic form of what you're saying, but easily answered in
the form of "being informative, thus keeping people interested in you
before they forget all about you, is the point"). I think it's a bad
reason, but it does seem plausible.
Dan Ryan
You don't get out much, do ya? I bet Mr. Worth and the others you have been
railing against often do get out, and probably get laid.
Keep up the annoying work. It's amusing.
DR
"Ted" <nospam...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Ted
Dan Ryan wrote:
>
> Ted:
snip
> I bet Mr. Worth and the others you have been
> railing against
snip
I have not been railing against Stephen Worth. I've been railing against
Spumco's web policies.
The message you chose to respond to was a polite response to a polite
post. But there seems to be no lack of people in this group who are
incapable of separating arguments about issues from personal attacks.
And while many might be happier if those people would keep their
uncomprehending, meanspirited blatherings to themselves, there's nothing
like a reminder now and again that the people who post baseless,
adolescent, ad hominem attacks in response to issues have nothing
worthwhile to add.
Stephen W. Worth
wrote:
> You don't get out much, do ya? I bet Mr. Worth and the others you have been
> railing against often do get out, and probably get laid.
Not as much as we'd like.
Stephen W. Worth
<nospam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> currently sports a Network Solutions "under construction" page. A news
> feed with a single small Spumco graphic would cerainly be more stylish
> than the current situation.
The domain is parked. Network Solutions puts that page on it by default.
Stephen W. Worth
<nospam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> I have not been railing against Stephen Worth.
Yes you have. You called me a liar when I politely answered your
question.
If we had a one page "We're working on Ren & Stimpy" page, you would be
complaining we don't just put up the old website. If we had the old
website up, you would complain that we weren't updating it. If we
updated it, you would be complaining about not having new episodes of
WPH and GGLP...
I explained to you that we are busy with Ren & Stimpy right now. We
just don't have the resources right now to do the web right. We would
rather wait until we can really focus on the web again and give it the
attention it deserves before bringing the site back. You didn't accept
that explanation.
Again, I suggest that you relax and watch some Clampett cartoons to
tide yourself over.
davedude
Ted
"Stephen W. Worth" wrote:
>
> In article <3E67B973...@nospam.com>, Ted
> <nospam...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > I have not been railing against Stephen Worth.
>
> Yes you have. You called me a liar when I politely answered your
> question.
You said:
"There isn't much point to having a website that
just sits there. It really needs fresh content on a regular basis.
That's going to take advertisers."
The part of my reply which could be misinterpreted as calling you a liar was:
" Now, if you're going to claim that you guys are too busy to write a
paragraph a month on how the new episodes are progressing (or whatever
is being worked on at the time), inserting it into an html document, and
uploading it to a server, I just don't believe you. If you're claiming
that such a site is cost prohibitive, I don't believe you; your
bandwidth costs for a site which clocks in with a couple of graphics
under 100K (under 50K if you do it right) should be minimal."
This leaves two major possibilites in which you are not a liar in my
statement: 1) this was not what you were claiming and 2) if it was what
you were claiming, you are merely wrong and I don't believe your
distillation. I apologize if this came across to you as calling you a
liar; perhaps instead of saying I would not believe you in those
situations, I should have said that I would believe you were in error.
If there is another instance where it appears I am calling you a liar,
please point it out so I can address it.
>
> If we had a one page "We're working on Ren & Stimpy" page, you would be
> complaining we don't just put up the old website.
It is sensible not to maintain an expensive bandwidth intensive
site. I would not complain about the lack of the old site, altho I would
complain about a lack of news (but I would complain less than
currently).
> If we had the old
> website up, you would complain that we weren't updating it.
If you were not giving news updates, this is true. I would, however,
complain less.
> If we
> updated it, you would be complaining about not having new episodes of
> WPH and GGLP...
No, I didn't really enjoy either series.
Wasn't one of those series not hosted on the Spumco site?
> I explained to you that we are busy with Ren & Stimpy right now. We
> just don't have the resources right now to do the web right. We would
> rather wait until we can really focus on the web again and give it the
> attention it deserves before bringing the site back. You didn't accept
> that explanation.
Yes, I disagree with the implications of your statement that there is no
point in a news update page (or alternately that such a page requires
advertisers to provide a worthwhile level of content).
>
> Again, I suggest that you relax and watch some Clampett cartoons to
> tide yourself over.
Please note that my opinion will not be swayed by seamonsters (unless
they present convincing arguments).
Momesintrouble
Bob
tom
instant gratification. I'll wait as long as it takes to get new Spumco.
A searrch engine? The world will be SAVED by THE search engine!
I've had it right upt to HERE with with the likes of you :P
Chris Caple
interest Ted's exchanges with you.
He's right.
You're wrong.
All the time and energy you've spent replying to him could easily have
been put to use throwing down a good little basic Spumco news and
information site. I myself have been looking for spumco news recently,
and was surprised to find the site down. "Wha?" I thought - "Did they go
out of business?" Then - because I'm a big fat geek - I found this
newsgroup. So now I know that you're not out of business. I probably
wouldn't otherwise have known.
Also - Ted never called you a liar, that I can see. You're putting words
in his mouth, over and over and over. This is known as a strawman
fallacy. It's when you attribute fictional statements to a person and
then proceed to debunk the fictional statements, meanwhile ignoring what
the person actually said. It makes you look ... ummm, pretty bad.
It also looks really, really, really bad for Spumco to just have a
Network Solutions page sitting there. It looks like you either a) went
out of business, or b) forgot to renew your domain name and so lost
control of the URL.
Anyway - Ted, u-rock. Come visit my site when it's up in a couple of
weeks - www.toomuchfreespeech.com
Looking forward to new Ren & Stimpy shows. Hope they don't suck as badly
as "The Ripping Friends," which never should've been a tv show - that
thing was meant for the SilverScreen, baby. It just falls apart on tv.
And throwing that He-Mom character in instead of Jean Poole - idiotic.
Chris "Oh my God, he's not anonmyous!" Caple
www.toomuchfreespeech.com
"Stephen W. Worth" <ne...@vintageip.com> wrote in news:060320031826323826%
ne...@vintageip.com:
chippy
fairly clear, that the the spumco team is not going to do anything about
the website until after Ren & stimpy get started on TNN. & all the
bad-mouthing about it, isn't going to change anything.
Ren: That's it, folks. No Website until after June.
Stimpy: No Website until after June? What'll we do til then?
Ren: You could whine & bitch alot...
Momesintrouble
Momesintrouble
Spumco ? Let me laugh !
Trevour
Ted
Chris Caple wrote:
snip
I appreciate the support (I stand by my criticisms of current Spumco web
policy), but this party's been over for awhile. I also think Steve was
just honestly misinterpreting what I said, assuming my criticisms of
policy were meant personally, which they were not.
(And be sure to check out the last few episodes of the Ripping Friends
if you haven't seen them, which were much better than the early ones.
Hopefully when they do more episodes they will have the momentum they
had in the last few episodes. And I too hope He-Mom gets marginalized.)
You might want to check out the message board at
http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos
for Ren and Stimpy info. It's not a cure all for a lack of Spumco or R/S
info, but it gets lots more traffic than here.
Now I'm thinking of making Chippy's R/S show ending exchange into an
email sig...
-=Gaylord=-
have information, some magazine articles in full, and some of the old spumco
banner ads. Its a pretty good start.
Also in my forum ( http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos ) we are having a raffle in
june for 3 original John K drawings, signed and personalised by him. Come by
if you are interested.
Randi Mueck
ladydea...@yahoo.com
-=~ Whaddyah mean you have no more Snapple? *eye twiches* ~=-
Ted <nospam...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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-=Gaylord=-
interesting articles and some of the old sites images and stuff. It has just
started, but it is pretty good.
Randi
http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos
-= 5 Snapple caps and I am already sick.... =-
Ted <nospam...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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chippy
Looks good. If Brian, at that site; or anyone else with an R&S page-
like you Lady Deathtouch- is interested, I have plenty of other stuff that
has yet to see the light of day on my site (http://members.fortunecity.com/chippy3/).
I could scan the following mags:
Pure Images - the Spumco Bastards (part 1)
Wild Cartoon Kingdom
Cinefantastique
Film Threat
-also (already scanned)
Ren & Stimpy Style Guide
All 44 issues of Ren & Stimpy Commics + Specials
us...@domain.invalid
Dang that is a nice little sack of goodies you got on your site.
Yeah contact me directly at brian@.NOSPAM.studiom80.com take out the
.NOSPAM. part to reach me.
Whatever you want to donate to the cause would be great.
Brian
Trevour
news:3EC2C50C...@domain.invalid...
> Hey I'm a slackass what can I say. ;)
>
> Dang that is a nice little sack of goodies you got on your site.
>
> Yeah contact me directly at brian@.NOSPAM.studiom80.com take out the
> .NOSPAM. part to reach me.
>
> Whatever you want to donate to the cause would be great.
>
> Brian
Wasn't spumco.org some crazy motorcross gallery last year? I recall
something to that nature. Did the old domain owner put it to rest? Was
that originally yours, Brian? Anyway, could be delusional too.
Trevour
us...@domain.invalid
> something to that nature. Did the old domain owner put it to rest? Was
> that originally yours, Brian? Anyway, could be delusional too.
>
> Trevour
Hehe...dunno who the previous owner was. All's I did was go to Internic
and saw that no one owned the name and bought it.
Brian D.