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Donza

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Feb 1, 2003, 8:14:23 AM2/1/03
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The scheduling of the new series of Atmo Builders "Atmo Tech Talks" is now underway. I'm looking forward to providing the community with some fun and imformative meetings with the people whose brains you'd most love to pick! Talks will be held on alternating Saturdays @ 4:00 pm EST (time conversion info will be provided) hopefully beginning next week.

I am inviting our talented world designers, avatar makers and script gurus to put themselves at your mercy for an hour or so to share some (but not all!) of the tips and tricks that make their work so distinctive and so wonderful.

If you have suggestions for who you'd most like to talk to please e-mail me at m...@donzas.com <mailto:m...@donzas.com> and let me know. Or if you'd like to host one of our "Atmo Tech Talks" in your world then let me know that too - it's a great opportunity to promote your work. And I'll do all the scheduling and PR work for you!!

karen jacobs

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Feb 1, 2003, 9:33:21 PM2/1/03
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Good idea, Donza! Maybe post this news at AtmoWorlds, too? --kj

LadyBunny

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Feb 2, 2003, 3:15:33 AM2/2/03
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gotta a sugestion MRK AKA EINSTEIN
NOID AKA TOM SELECK !
NOT A TESTER AKA HMM NOT SURE BUT I LIKE HIS !!'
MARTIN AKA JS KING!
JBEZORG AKA DRAGON GOD!
ROLU AKA THE *STAR*
APKALUS AKA THE DEMON
JC AKA JIMMMMMM COE!
ANGELA AKA ANG
LACE AKA BLUE DEMONESS
PEEN AKA JOKE SENDER!
NEQ AKA NEQUIEM :)
KJ AKA DEDICATED!
MUD AKA SEXYBRIT
FRAN AKA LYNDORIAN:)
KNIGHT AKA AFK
HEART AKA ARJA :)
QYN AKA QYNTRIX
HATHOS AKA COLUMNMAN
SLOWHAND AKA BRB AND FORGOT TO COME BACK!
PHILC AKA POSERMAN
SCENTED NECTOR AKA ADULTSONLY!
BONES AKA BONES HEHE
CHALLAGAR AKA TUTORIALMAN
DONZA AKA PR DIRECTOR
SOFTBABE AKA SOFTY
ok theres my suggestions more to come :)
due to lack of time i could not list the other 176 people who will make great speakers also,,,,,,, ok one more.. Shelly and tweex and dalek , americo ,michael the list does go on and on :)

erik champion

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Feb 2, 2003, 3:15:19 AM2/2/03
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I should sign up, gee, I dont even remember how to make a wireframe invisible object visible again!
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Donza

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Feb 2, 2003, 10:31:45 AM2/2/03
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Thanks Bun!! Glad you narrowed it down for me - that makes it SOOOO much easier!!! ROFL

But I am looking for volunteers - so everyone start thinking about what you'd like to talk about and let me know!! I welcome any and all ideas!!

Donza

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Feb 5, 2003, 5:19:15 AM2/5/03
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Ok didn't want to let you guys think I went to sleep on this. I have 3 of Atmo's Super Gurus already signed up for the new Atmo Tech Talks and am still in the arm-twisting phase for a few others. And will continue looking for more so don't think anyone else is off the hook. LOL

Look for my Atmo Junkies Weekend Update on Saturday to see who will be sharing their knowledge with you in the coming weeks.

This is gonna be SO cool!!

BTW - if you aren't on my mailing list go to <http://www.donzas.com> and use the MAILING LIST link to can sign up.

karen jacobs

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Feb 7, 2003, 8:17:01 PM2/7/03
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Hi Donza

I tried your link above as I would like to sign the mailing list -- stupid plugin took over and page locked up, couldn't add to favorites as none of the top buttons worked. World loaded tho couldn't get in. Anyway, how do I visit your webpage w/o plugin starting up? Or is there a way to access the links page?

BTW, I enjoyed visit last week with lite version and sap; it worked fine including link to the trivia forum. Like seeing the cube again. Dashed around, zoomed into the cave--and backed out but link had already triggered. Locked up. Will try that again w/o backing out as I'd like to see it ;o) --kj

Donza

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Feb 8, 2003, 6:40:12 AM2/8/03
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Hi Karen
I'm so sorry you had problems with the plugin!! You aren't the only person who has mentioned a problem with it but it just looks so cute on my page that I hadn't really wanted to take it off. Guess I better think about it some more tho. :(

In any case I certainly am sorry you couldn't sign up for the mailing list. There's another link to it on <atmotech.com> or you can just email me (m...@donzas.com <mailto:m...@donzas.com>) and I will be most happy to add you to the AtmoJunkies Weekend Updates mailing list.

Donza

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Feb 9, 2003, 7:07:48 AM2/9/03
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OK Boy & Girls!!!!
Taa Daaa!!!! Here are the first scheduled talks in the new Atmo Tech Talks.

Apkalus on Avatars
Feb 16 - Sunday @ 4:00pm EST (9:00 GMT)
Jbezorg
Feb 22 - Saturday @ 4:00pm EST (9:00 GMT)
JC on Lighting
Mar 22 - Saturday @ 4:00 EST (9:00 GMT)

And more to come!!!

Donza

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Feb 15, 2003, 12:25:49 PM2/15/03
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The first of the "Atmo Tech Talks" will take place on Sunday, February 16th @ 4:00 pm EST (9:00 pm GMT) when Apkalus will kick off the series with some of his special tips and tricks on Avatar building - he's promised a surprise but won't tell me what! So be sure to come join Apkalus and all your friends on Sunday!!

This week's Atmo Tech Talk will take place in SpacePort (http://www.atmotech.com/techtalk/ <http://www.atmotech.com/techtalk/>) immediately after LadyBunny's Trivia @ 3:00 pm EST (8:00 pm GMT). Please note that future Tech Talks will be held on Saturdays. On February 22nd look for Jbezorg to share some of his World Building techniques.

Emergency plans: I've arranged with Softbabe to use her beautiful new Access All Areas world as a backup. Here's the plan - if chat is down in Trivia World then first check back here to see if LadyBunny has posted an alternate plan and if nothing is there then check into Access All Areas - <http://www.cyber3d.info/aaa/aaacom.htm>. Hopefully something will be working!!

Any last minute changes will be posted in the forum so when in doubt check here.

Donza

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Feb 16, 2003, 5:03:14 PM2/16/03
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If anyone is trying to get into Apk's Tech Talk - it has been moved to Trivia World.

<http://www.donzas.com/trivialite.html> or (SAP) <http://www.donzas.com/worlds/ladybunny/lite/Seraglio-lite.aer>

Please change to default avs ASAP upon arrival.

karen jacobs

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Feb 16, 2003, 8:49:22 PM2/16/03
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And a good time was had by all . . .

Thanks, Donza and Apkalus. --kj

Aero

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Feb 16, 2003, 8:45:40 PM2/16/03
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Donza dont forget about /simpleavs instead of making people change there avatars..
So if people are lagging just go to simpleavs.. :-)

RayR

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Feb 16, 2003, 8:57:44 PM2/16/03
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I missed it :-(

Michaelcov

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Feb 17, 2003, 4:35:09 AM2/17/03
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Could someone give me the teck talk log url.

Thanks :-)

Michael J Hall

Jim Coe

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Feb 17, 2003, 11:10:55 AM2/17/03
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Me too - had to work at a client's office all day. Publishing the chat logs of every tech talk would be a good policy, and archiving them for future.

Donza

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Feb 17, 2003, 4:14:19 PM2/17/03
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I'm already ahead of you Boys! LOL

The log of Apkalus' Atmo Tech Talk, as well as pics and all relevant download files, is available at <http://www.atmotech.com/>. You will find the link on the first page - can't miss it if you try!

And if you aren't already on the AtmoJunkies Weekend Update list there's a link for that too. Sign up and you'll always know what's happenin' in Atmo-land.

I want to let you know how very much I appreciate the patience of all of you who joined us last night and thank you for coming as well as give a HUGE thank you to my most excellent Senior (oops Master) Host Apkalus for a wonderful job!!

:~D

Angela McCartney

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Feb 17, 2003, 6:19:06 PM2/17/03
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Interesting... Censored chat notes. I can understand editing out ALL of the chit chat, but, well... interesting decision, Donza.

Apkalus

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Feb 17, 2003, 6:30:34 PM2/17/03
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I made "cleaning day" in my site, you can find the log and the files you need there too, in <http://www.apkalus.tk>

BTW: can i have the original chat log?, i only have the donza's one (thanx donz)

take care all
Apkalus

Heart

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Feb 17, 2003, 7:58:04 PM2/17/03
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It's edited? I thought maybe you were whisperin me Ang lol.

Excellent job D and Apk. Was a great session - look in your inbox soon Apk, I have some questions LOL.

Angela McCartney

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Feb 17, 2003, 8:59:30 PM2/17/03
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The comments that were removed from the posted chat log were not whispers. It was open conversation from myself, kj, and BC_Bat during a slight break we had while Apkalus was uploading some examples for us.

It was simply polite chat regarding the posting of the logs following the event. However, it seems that Donza didn't like seeing them, and felt that she should just cut them out. I consider this censorship, not editing - due to the inclusion of all other chat, even the "VPeffLarger" avatar spam.

Like most people, I consider censorship to be wrong. Period.

As many of you know, I originally began planning an "Atmo Builder's Series" last November. When I found out that Donza was planning a similar project we tried to combine them into one. After several days, my instincts told me that working together on the project was simply not a good idea. I politely withdrew from our joint efforts, and even decided to not continue with my plans, as I didn't see the benefit of hosting competing events. Maybe this incident can shed a little light on why I felt that way.

Since that time, I believe I have been supportive of Donza's tech talks, and was very happy to attend yesterday's events. However, I will no longer support the efforts of a person who feels that censorship can be justified in any way. I'm very sorry, Jim Coe, and Jbezorg, I'm going to hate to have to miss out on your talks, but I will not attend an event where the posted logs will be censored simply to suit the ego of one person.

Angela

Donza

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Feb 18, 2003, 5:27:58 AM2/18/03
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Interesting ... I guess I may not have as many freinds here as I thought. Really sorry to see that. But not surprising.

The editing I did was regarding spelling and some of the vpanim stuff (which I missed) - admitedly I was in a hurry when I was trying to format the log so some of that was left in. I was trying to get it online as quickly as possible.

As far as editing for my "ego" I think that is a bit of a reach as the talks were a sucees by all estimation. I'm not the one with the ego here - which seems pretty apparent now.

I'm not even sure what all are talking about. So I will reread and REPOST the original log that all of you can read to your heart's content.

Thanks for your support Ange - that's the one part that wasn't unexpected.

Donza

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Feb 18, 2003, 6:01:05 AM2/18/03
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Here is the URL for the log. Forgive me for thinking that it wouldn't offend anyone if I fixed their spelling errors and gave it a more attractive appearance. Other than Angela who has her own personal ax to grind I am totally blown away by the attitudes of those who wrote.

And if anyone can tell me what part of the original log my ego would have to worry about I'd appreciate it. I only see one ego showing up here and it isn't mine.

<http://www.donzas.com/ChatLog.txt>

Oh wait - my bad - I did change the typo I made regarding the number of people in my world. When I looked at the User image there were 18 not 17. Sorry.

Heart

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Feb 18, 2003, 6:54:31 AM2/18/03
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Two Suggestions -

1. Post two logs. One with everything - one with ONLY discussion having to do with the event. People can choose which log they want.

2. If you decide to post only one - use the one edited for questions/answers and instruction only.

People like me like to read the banter back and forth between us all - we have fun. But logs edited that only show the subject are good text files to keep in your puter when you need to follow along with the bouncing ball while doing something - then you dont have to scroll through the chit-chat to find the next step in the process. :)

And you BETTER come to mine Ang!

superted

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Feb 18, 2003, 7:30:34 AM2/18/03
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Just reading over.. great and simple solution Heart :)

Can i add, there seems to be some underlying bad blood.. not wanting to get involved, could i ask that the two of you discuss your differences in a 'less public' situation? Perhaps begin with each dropping the bitterness and talking about what the real problem is, and i suspect it's not with editing the chat text.. anyway. Discuss. Forgive. We've such a beautiful, beautiful community going so far, lets not make it divisive & lets strive to keep it in harmony :)

Superted - Peace Enforcer.

Angela McCartney

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Feb 18, 2003, 8:45:45 AM2/18/03
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I chose to discuss this in a public forum because it concerns more than just myself. This is not an issue about friendship, or having any kind of axe to grind, and I will not reduce this discussion to an emotional level.

However, I felt it was best to set the record straight, not allow this to be covered with lies. Two other people's specific comments were taken out besides mine. This is not "fixing spelling errors" this is censorship. There is no excuse for it.

I would not have had a problem with this being excluded from the posted log if all the random chit chat had been removed, however it was only certain lines of chat that Donza personally had issue with that were. The only chat text that I'm aware of being taken out were the comments of jk, BC_Bat, and myself, as you can see below.

Original Uneditied Log:
[kj] cool
[kj] is angela here? she does great notes
[MichaelJH] dam, facer with flash loads ok, but anim not running
[BC_Bat] notes? we have the chat log
[MichaelJH] in standalone
[kj] yeah, but she organizes them
[kj] ;o)
[MichaelJH] Ill look in the board resources folder
[BC_Bat] oh, okay
[MichaelJH] just the viewpoint logo
[Angela] I'm here, but I'm sorry, I won't be posting any edited notes.
[kj] btw, my sap does all my log comments in triple
[kj] from day one
[Angela] the tech talks are not my project :)
[kj] k, just a thot ;o)
[BC_Bat] if we payed you ;-)
[Angela] thanks anyway, kj :)
[kj] lol
[Heart] Ang?

Donza's Posted Version:
[KJ] cool
[MichaelJH] damn, facer with Flash loads ok, but I'm not running in standalone
[MichaelJH] I'll look in the board resources folder
[BC_Bat] oh, okay
[MichaelJH] just the viewpoint logo] btw, my sap does all my log comments in triple
[KJ] from day one
[Heart] Angee?

Enough said.

Angela

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