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rakugo
Apr 17, 2009, 8:41:35 AM4/17/09
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In response to a request from MobileLibrary, and noticing that many
people are quite interested in the visualisation combined with
moveable tiddlers etc etc I have produced VismoWiki.
First I must say it doesn't work in Internet Explorer - and I haven't
got the patience to fix this yet, but in Safari and Firefox you should
have no troubles!
To knock this up has actually been suprisingly easy using jQuery. I
found plugins that allow you to make html dom elements resizable and
moveable through the use of one function. The end result is I have
created a Jquery tweak which allows you to specify class names in the
ViewTemplate,PageTemplate and EditTemplate that give you the
behaviours you require.
So for example if you wanted a tiddler to be resizable you could
simply add the class resizeable to that div and instantly with jquery
magic it becomes resizable.
In case none of this makes sense or you are interested on the outcome
please check out...
http://www.jonrobson.me.uk/projects/VismoWiki/index.html
Remember... no internet explorer yet!
Jon
people are quite interested in the visualisation combined with
moveable tiddlers etc etc I have produced VismoWiki.
First I must say it doesn't work in Internet Explorer - and I haven't
got the patience to fix this yet, but in Safari and Firefox you should
have no troubles!
To knock this up has actually been suprisingly easy using jQuery. I
found plugins that allow you to make html dom elements resizable and
moveable through the use of one function. The end result is I have
created a Jquery tweak which allows you to specify class names in the
ViewTemplate,PageTemplate and EditTemplate that give you the
behaviours you require.
So for example if you wanted a tiddler to be resizable you could
simply add the class resizeable to that div and instantly with jquery
magic it becomes resizable.
In case none of this makes sense or you are interested on the outcome
please check out...
http://www.jonrobson.me.uk/projects/VismoWiki/index.html
Remember... no internet explorer yet!
Jon
Måns
Apr 17, 2009, 3:28:31 PM4/17/09
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Hi Jon
This is a very nice and clean variant of TiddlyWiki - The plugins are
great an and the responsetime is very fast!!
I wonder if you could make editmode work in a way so it doesn't jump
out to the right (it does in my browser (firefox 3.0.8))
but stays in place ... That would be very nice! - When I hit "done" -
sometimes the tiddler just closes - and dissapears - is that the
intended action?
Anyway it would be great if the tiddlers could "remember" their place
both in the session and between sessions.
I don't quite undrstand how to use the Image tagging view yet.. In a
normal tiddler I could do this: <<TagImage http://imageUrl.jpg fill:rgb
(255,0,0) width:400>>
How do I use it when it's integrated in the pagetemplate?
The geo view - is it just a matter of doubleclicking on a country-
getting a new tiddler with prefilled title= countryname - rename it -
and refine the coordinates in the edittemplate - and give it a label
(some city/my place what ever??) - to get a new tag on the map?
YS Måns Mårtensson
This is a very nice and clean variant of TiddlyWiki - The plugins are
great an and the responsetime is very fast!!
I wonder if you could make editmode work in a way so it doesn't jump
out to the right (it does in my browser (firefox 3.0.8))
but stays in place ... That would be very nice! - When I hit "done" -
sometimes the tiddler just closes - and dissapears - is that the
intended action?
Anyway it would be great if the tiddlers could "remember" their place
both in the session and between sessions.
I don't quite undrstand how to use the Image tagging view yet.. In a
normal tiddler I could do this: <<TagImage http://imageUrl.jpg fill:rgb
(255,0,0) width:400>>
How do I use it when it's integrated in the pagetemplate?
The geo view - is it just a matter of doubleclicking on a country-
getting a new tiddler with prefilled title= countryname - rename it -
and refine the coordinates in the edittemplate - and give it a label
(some city/my place what ever??) - to get a new tag on the map?
YS Måns Mårtensson
Alex Hough
Apr 17, 2009, 3:53:34 PM4/17/09
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> Anyway it would be great if the tiddlers could "remember" their place
> both in the session and between sessions.
> both in the session and between sessions.
The Personal Brain software project had a feature like this on one of
their releases. The model was 'pinning' - like the sticking pins in a
cork board.
(they removed the feature, lots of people complained: I quit my
"Brain" for 100% TiddlyHabbit)
For those TiddlyFans who are interesting in mindmapping and Personal
Brain (what a dreadful name for a software project - also using terms
like 'thoughts' , its a violation of the language and somhow a
violoation of the mind (mini rant over)) VismoWiki is an exciting
development (is is for me anyway)
good work! I agree with Måns - nice and clear
Alex
MobileLibrary
Apr 19, 2009, 4:21:18 AM4/19/09
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Jon! I'm speechless...
Just came back from a short trip in the truck and found this waiting
for me. And it isn't even my birthday yet!
I'll start playing with it now, keep you posted,
ML
Just came back from a short trip in the truck and found this waiting
for me. And it isn't even my birthday yet!
I'll start playing with it now, keep you posted,
ML
rakugo
Apr 19, 2009, 6:56:03 AM4/19/09
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They got rid of pinning in Personal Brain?!! I'm shocked. That was one
of the best features.
As for getting TagImage to work in the PageTemplate tiddler there is a
div corresponding to the TagImage macro. The syntax you use there is
identical to what it would be in a template.
The geo view needs a bit of work. There is currently no way to add to
the map directly from the map, but you can create tiddlers and add
longitude and latitude coordinates to them. These will then be plotted
on the map. I haven't quite worked out the best interface for this
yet... so would be interested in any thoughts. I'm running out of
mouse buttons here - maybe a right menu might be useful..
In other news I'm hoping for a 4th visualisation to be added soon.
Watch this space..
Jon
of the best features.
As for getting TagImage to work in the PageTemplate tiddler there is a
div corresponding to the TagImage macro. The syntax you use there is
identical to what it would be in a template.
The geo view needs a bit of work. There is currently no way to add to
the map directly from the map, but you can create tiddlers and add
longitude and latitude coordinates to them. These will then be plotted
on the map. I haven't quite worked out the best interface for this
yet... so would be interested in any thoughts. I'm running out of
mouse buttons here - maybe a right menu might be useful..
In other news I'm hoping for a 4th visualisation to be added soon.
Watch this space..
Jon
rakugo
Apr 19, 2009, 3:55:10 PM4/19/09
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Huge update..
http://www.jonrobson.me.uk/projects/VismoWiki/index.html
The last attempt was a bit of a rush job, but I'm hoping it's a bit
more clear now - have made some effort to give an idea of how you can
use the ImageTagging Plugin. I've also popped in a new plugin which
draws graphs. I'm hoping long term this will replace TiddlyTagMindMap
and allow additional functionality such as changing the layout
algorithm - so you could go from a hand crafted diagram to make it use
a radial graph layout or a hypergraph algorithm.
I'm finding it easy to churn out plugins now as the code library I've
made is a bit more mature and is allowing me to quickly create
visualisation plugins. So if you have any requests let me know ;-)
Jon
http://www.jonrobson.me.uk/projects/VismoWiki/index.html
The last attempt was a bit of a rush job, but I'm hoping it's a bit
more clear now - have made some effort to give an idea of how you can
use the ImageTagging Plugin. I've also popped in a new plugin which
draws graphs. I'm hoping long term this will replace TiddlyTagMindMap
and allow additional functionality such as changing the layout
algorithm - so you could go from a hand crafted diagram to make it use
a radial graph layout or a hypergraph algorithm.
I'm finding it easy to churn out plugins now as the code library I've
made is a bit more mature and is allowing me to quickly create
visualisation plugins. So if you have any requests let me know ;-)
Jon
MobileLibrary
Apr 20, 2009, 4:42:46 AM4/20/09
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Nice work again! My first few observations/bug reports:
-the new version makes moving tiddlers break the TW. I tried in safari
3, then i can move one tiddler in the vismoplugin, if i try to move a
second one the jquery tabs break up and show inline. Moving is gone
after that, tiddlers still open though. If i try in firefox (latest) I
can move up to two tiddlers before that doesn't respond anymore. No
breaking up of the page occurs, only the moving stops working. Must be
a conflict between the vismoplugin and the imagetagplugin? It worked
fine with the first version...
- response time in general was hugely improved but in your new version
it seems much slower again
- could you in some way make the 'active' tiddler show on top? If i
open more than one and move the first opened around it stays in the
back of the subsequently opened tiddlers. I can live with that but
having it come up on top would be much nicer...
- nice new ordering of the edittemplate!!
- you said it 'doesn't work' in IE but I found the first version much
better then i'd expected from those words. It's only the links in the
tagmindmap that stopped working. Having popups that do work makes it
functional enough for now... In the new version you're right. Much too
slow, no tooltips anymore, broken navigation in the upper corner. I
don't know what happened but there it is. I know how much we hate IE
but it might still be nice to try and make it work a bit better?
- speaking of popups, i love it!
- maybe it's time to clearly list the stylable objects you create in
the plugins in a tiddler so people can find what they can change and
what not? ie. what is nodelabelprefix...?
- and a last very minor detail for now: you chose the imagetags to be
round. Could they be square or rectangle too? (i'm using a photo with
rows of books to tag, that's why)
> I'm finding it easy to churn out plugins now as the code library I've
> made is a bit more mature and is allowing me to quickly create
> visualisation plugins. So if you have any requests let me know ;-)
so here's the requests, hope you can do something with it. Firstly,
could you make the geoplugin work with a more detailed map that could
be shown online too? I'd love to be able to use the openstreetmap
tiles or google static in my online version. The geojson is a nice
piece of work, but the image it shows is too much of an outline to be
usable for my goals. I'd love to be able to show where a tiddler is
located. My locations are mostly spread around holland and belgium so
i need more detail in the map for it to be meaningful to viewers of my
TW. The small geographical area i cover would mean it's no problem to
have the static images needed saved and served linked to my online TW.
Or maybe there's a way to make the geojson itself more detailed??
idea that came up when i was working on a site for a friend of mine.
He is theatre designer and i made up a version of my own site for him
htttp://www.doordouwe.nl
it shows his cv and the projects he worked on. Maybe for those kind of
uses you could make a kind of 'timelinegraph'? I know there's the
timelineplugin, but what i'd like and think would be useful for
usecases like that is a canvas version coupled with your edittweaks,
so i could manually give in the timestamp for a tiddler and have it
show on the right place in the canvas. Thinking about it though maybe
it would be just as easy to use the imagetagplugin for this purpose...
Still, i could see a visualization maybe as a line, but preferably as
something else. Maybe concentric circles - centre would be 'now',
circles would be 'past'. then again, what about the future? Suppose
you could also use it as a new kind of calendar that shows projects
coming up? As you see, not a very clearcut idea yet, but who knows
what might come of it?
Ok, so far for now. I'm really very happy with your work, thanks
again,
ML
-the new version makes moving tiddlers break the TW. I tried in safari
3, then i can move one tiddler in the vismoplugin, if i try to move a
second one the jquery tabs break up and show inline. Moving is gone
after that, tiddlers still open though. If i try in firefox (latest) I
can move up to two tiddlers before that doesn't respond anymore. No
breaking up of the page occurs, only the moving stops working. Must be
a conflict between the vismoplugin and the imagetagplugin? It worked
fine with the first version...
- response time in general was hugely improved but in your new version
it seems much slower again
- could you in some way make the 'active' tiddler show on top? If i
open more than one and move the first opened around it stays in the
back of the subsequently opened tiddlers. I can live with that but
having it come up on top would be much nicer...
- nice new ordering of the edittemplate!!
- you said it 'doesn't work' in IE but I found the first version much
better then i'd expected from those words. It's only the links in the
tagmindmap that stopped working. Having popups that do work makes it
functional enough for now... In the new version you're right. Much too
slow, no tooltips anymore, broken navigation in the upper corner. I
don't know what happened but there it is. I know how much we hate IE
but it might still be nice to try and make it work a bit better?
- speaking of popups, i love it!
- maybe it's time to clearly list the stylable objects you create in
the plugins in a tiddler so people can find what they can change and
what not? ie. what is nodelabelprefix...?
- and a last very minor detail for now: you chose the imagetags to be
round. Could they be square or rectangle too? (i'm using a photo with
rows of books to tag, that's why)
> I'm finding it easy to churn out plugins now as the code library I've
> made is a bit more mature and is allowing me to quickly create
> visualisation plugins. So if you have any requests let me know ;-)
could you make the geoplugin work with a more detailed map that could
be shown online too? I'd love to be able to use the openstreetmap
tiles or google static in my online version. The geojson is a nice
piece of work, but the image it shows is too much of an outline to be
usable for my goals. I'd love to be able to show where a tiddler is
located. My locations are mostly spread around holland and belgium so
i need more detail in the map for it to be meaningful to viewers of my
TW. The small geographical area i cover would mean it's no problem to
have the static images needed saved and served linked to my online TW.
Or maybe there's a way to make the geojson itself more detailed??
idea that came up when i was working on a site for a friend of mine.
He is theatre designer and i made up a version of my own site for him
htttp://www.doordouwe.nl
it shows his cv and the projects he worked on. Maybe for those kind of
uses you could make a kind of 'timelinegraph'? I know there's the
timelineplugin, but what i'd like and think would be useful for
usecases like that is a canvas version coupled with your edittweaks,
so i could manually give in the timestamp for a tiddler and have it
show on the right place in the canvas. Thinking about it though maybe
it would be just as easy to use the imagetagplugin for this purpose...
Still, i could see a visualization maybe as a line, but preferably as
something else. Maybe concentric circles - centre would be 'now',
circles would be 'past'. then again, what about the future? Suppose
you could also use it as a new kind of calendar that shows projects
coming up? As you see, not a very clearcut idea yet, but who knows
what might come of it?
Ok, so far for now. I'm really very happy with your work, thanks
again,
ML
MobileLibrary
Apr 20, 2009, 10:33:59 AM4/20/09
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btw jon i just tried to visit your vismosite again - got a malicious
site warning saying that your page tries to redirect or load to
jp68mh.davtraff.com
maybe same problem as before??
greets,ML
site warning saying that your page tries to redirect or load to
jp68mh.davtraff.com
maybe same problem as before??
greets,ML
Alex Hough
Apr 21, 2009, 7:39:59 AM4/21/09
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ITS ACE
-----------
fact
FEATURE REQUEST
-----------------------------
Draw a shape. That shape becomes a non-existing tiddler that can be
made into a Tiddler.
Be able to drag that shape around, putting shapes near to each other,
perhaps overlapping.
ugo <jdlr...@gmail.com>:
--
t: 0161 442 2202
m: 0781 372 50 17
skype: alexhough
delicious: alexhough
-----------
fact
FEATURE REQUEST
-----------------------------
Draw a shape. That shape becomes a non-existing tiddler that can be
made into a Tiddler.
Be able to drag that shape around, putting shapes near to each other,
perhaps overlapping.
ugo <jdlr...@gmail.com>:
t: 0161 442 2202
m: 0781 372 50 17
skype: alexhough
delicious: alexhough
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