Agree to disagree?

[dennis]

How many agree/disagree with this quote?

"One of the things that we have to change in this country is the idea
that people can't disagree without challenging each other's character
and patriotism.

Fox?
RW?
TCF?
Hoolie?
Cycle?

[cheshirecatldy]

ok I will bite you didnt ask for my response, but I will give it
anyway!!!
when I read it it sounds good, but then when I think about it, it is
more of the same.
we have the freedom to disagree and to challenge one anothers views,
you cant take that away without infringing on our constitutional
rights of free speech.
I can neither agree or disagree, it is a loaded question in my
opinion.

[dennis]

No, but do we have to challenge someone's patriotism or character.
I don't always agree with Bill Pickerill at council meetings but we
don't question each other's motives.

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[77Knight]

Exactly why I'm mostly a lurker on here. I stay outta the political
topics and just stick to the local stuff.

On Aug 19, 2:04 pm, dennis <dgeorg...@alltel.net> wrote:
> No, but do we have to challenge someone's patriotism or character.
> I don't always agree with Bill Pickerill at council meetings but we
> don't question each other's motives.
>
> On Aug 19, 1:34 pm, cheshirecatldy <crzycatldy8...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ok I will bite  you didnt ask for my response, but I will give it
> > anyway!!!
> > when I read it it sounds good, but then when I think about it, it is
> > more of the same.
> > we have the freedom to disagree and to challenge one anothers views,
> > you cant take that away without infringing on our constitutional
> > rights of free speech.
> > I can neither agree or disagree, it is a loaded question in my
> > opinion.
>
> > On Aug 19, 1:23 pm, dennis <dgeorg...@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> > > How many agree/disagree with this quote?
>
> > > "One of the things that we have to change in this country is the idea
> > > that people can't disagree without challenging each other's character
> > > and patriotism.
>
> > > Fox?
> > > RW?
> > > TCF?
> > > Hoolie?
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[cheshirecatldy]

that is why this is a loaded question
I give an answer and you basically will challenge me!!!
it isnt nice to challenge each others motives, but it is a freedom we
have and we must not do anything that jeopardizes that freedom.
when a debate/arguement reaches a personal point, which a good debate
should never do, the only recourse some feel they have is to hit below
the belt-to make it personal and challenge the other person's motives.
we do it on here all of the time.
here is a question for you, dennis
have you ever challenged anyone's patriotism or character on this
message board?

On Aug 19, 2:04 pm, dennis <dgeorg...@alltel.net> wrote:
> No, but do we have to challenge someone's patriotism or character.
> I don't always agree with Bill Pickerill at council meetings but we
> don't question each other's motives.
>
> On Aug 19, 1:34 pm, cheshirecatldy <crzycatldy8...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ok I will bite  you didnt ask for my response, but I will give it
> > anyway!!!
> > when I read it it sounds good, but then when I think about it, it is
> > more of the same.
> > we have the freedom to disagree and to challenge one anothers views,
> > you cant take that away without infringing on our constitutional
> > rights of free speech.
> > I can neither agree or disagree, it is a loaded question in my
> > opinion.
>
> > On Aug 19, 1:23 pm, dennis <dgeorg...@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> > > How many agree/disagree with this quote?
>
> > > "One of the things that we have to change in this country is the idea
> > > that people can't disagree without challenging each other's character
> > > and patriotism.
>
> > > Fox?
> > > RW?
> > > TCF?
> > > Hoolie?
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[CyclePro]

Healthy debate only happens when people disagree.

Debate suffers when it degrades into attacks on a person instead of
the positions being presented.
I still prefer to rank the Nations along "Many" axis points with this
one being weighted heavily.

We can not afford to lose this Freedom.

When I participate in any debate, I prefer to be judged by the points
I raise as well as I prefer to be judged by how I present a counter
argument to the positions of any opponent.

The "Jury" is the silent majority who read...

[dennis]

I have tried to not make personal attacks. I don't question people's
integrity just because they disagree with me.. I don't call them
Communists just because they disagree with me.. I don't call them
Marxists just because they disagree with me.

"These are the judgments I've made and the policies that we have to
debate, because we do have differences in this election," Obama said.

"One of the things that we have to change in this country is the idea
that people can't disagree without challenging each other's character

and patriotism. I have never suggested that Sen. McCain picks his
positions on national security based on politics or personal ambition.
I have not suggested it because I believe that he genuinely wants to
serve America's national interest. Now, it's time for him to
acknowledge that I want to do the same."

How can anyone disagree with his comment?

[taurus]

I agree with the statement. One should be able to disagree with
another without the fear of peronal attacks coming back at them. You
should be able to argue your point without trying to belittle the
other person to make it.

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[cheshirecatldy]

you, I and everybody on here has either made a remark like this or has
come veryvery close, no one on here is that perfect a person, sorry.
Alos, it is in the view of the person to whom the remark is being made
how they take it or not-it is perception. You may say something to me
and I may take it you are challenging my ( whatever) who is to say
that is not right? My perception is my perception.

now, Obama has a point yes, but he cant change that one little thing-
freedom of speech. We have the right to say what we want,as well as,
not say what we dont want. yes, it is not kind to challenge
patriotism, motives, etc... but we have a constitutional right to
freedom of speech and if that means we make disparaging remarkes, well
that is our opinion and so be it. Sorry, he cant change that.
like I said, I cant agree or disagree with the statement because I
find it to be a loaded one.

On Aug 19, 3:12 pm, dennis <dgeorg...@alltel.net> wrote:

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Hey Dennis: I think that the quote merits discussion, but I think that
you are trying address a crowd that gets their pre programmed views
from Rush Limbaugh and Fox News...who make billions from questioning
the very right of the left to exist...And I have a hard time engaging
in any kind of meaningful discourse with disaffected radicals who
refuse to question their own simpering fears. On the contrary, these
guys feed on the corporate fear like crack addicts!
There's one difference between the days of Hearst and Murdoch...We can
hit back: Low blow for low blow.

[cheshirecatldy]

oh rw you just have a hard time discussing anything with anyone who
doesnt fully agree with you.
please tell me, what simpering fears do I harbor? I would really like
to know.
ps
I listen to rush but I dont watch the news

On Aug 19, 6:24 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

You've admitted that you don't like Obama. You admitted that you
don't know what it is that you don't like about Obama. But yet you
seem to be in line with his stance on abortion, ethnic cleansing, the
war in iraq....hmmm...
You agree that the Bush Administration has ruined this country. But
yet you are first to criticize change?

[cheshirecatldy]

am I ?
well let us see:
I dont like Obama, check I think he is a fraud I think he has bitten
off more than he can chew
I dont like all of his socialist views, I am against national health
care.
I am in line with ethnic cleansing? I am ? when did I ever express
that? Really? then I must stop sending in my hard earned money to
that damn holocaust memorial!
I believe in freedom of religion, all religions
I believe we should respect religions, no matter what they are.
You forgot to add, I dont think all Muslims are terrorists.
I am pro choice, check
I am against partial birth abortions, he is not, He is more extreme
than me!
I think we should come home from Iraq, but I think we need to finish
first, that is obama's stance? I am like any real American, RW, I want
our men and women home.
I think we have lost our way, check. i dont think it is all about
oil, RW.
I agree bush has ruined this country? did I say that? really? please
tell when I said those exact words. I agree we are over spending, but
I dont think I said that rw. I have said I wouldnt be surprised if we
were behind 9/11. Is barry leaning that way too?
I think we should trade illegal immigrants for oil, havent heard that
out of barry.
oh you forgot to add, I like bush. I would love to meet him and have
a beer with him. You also forgot to add, I think he is ready to get
out of there.
you also forgot to mention, I hate Cheney. I think this evil creature
is behind alot.
now, where am I criticizing change? cause I dont want anyone to step
on my right tofree speech, that is criticizing change? You dont know
your ass from a hole in the ground. I want change, but at what cost?
I dont want to give up my rights/ freedoms for change.
now, what fears do I have simmering in my mind?
Why on earth do you think you are so much smarter than any of us? what
gives you the right to think that?
do you have the balls to admit you are a hypocrite, rw? I admit I
am
do you have the balls to admit you have varying views on varying
subjects? I can admit that and I am proud of it
I guess I have a big set, much bigger than yours and I am a
woman!!!!!!!
ha

On Aug 19, 7:23 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
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[cheshirecatldy]

ps
I have read obama's cousin Raila Odinga was charged with ethnic
cleansing
I have also read where Obama has stated ethnic cleansing is positive?
he is ok with ethnic cleansing in Iraq?

did he say this or not?
But,” asked Moran,”if the country had pursued your policy of
withdrawing in the face of this horrific violence, what do you think
Iraq would look like now?”

Obama said it would be hard to speculate. “The Sunnis might have made
the same decisions at that time. The Shii’as might have made some
similar decisions based on political calculation. There was ethnic
cleansing in Baghdad that actually took the violence level down,” he
said.

no sorry RW, I have never ever been for ethnic cleansing. Remember, I
have had family and friends die at the hands of Nazi's?

You seem to think you are painting me into a for Obama corner, and my
dear you are very very wrong

On Aug 19, 7:23 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
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[Taylorcofan]

Dennis, the use of patriotism as a political sword or a political
shield to indicate ones character is as old as the Republic. Those who
have disagreed with this administration's policies or differ in
opinions concerning Isreal.... have been immediately labeled as
unpatriotic. But to be fair both sides are guilty of creating the
patriotism debate. (Although I have yet to call anyone a communist I
believe).

Defenders of the status quo often accuse anybody who questioned the
wisdom of this government's policies as being unpatriotic. Most
Americans understand that dissent does not make one unpatriotic and
most American's know that no party or political philosophy has a
monopoly on patriotism. Except for the few here that my path has
crossed.

I began to take my lessons from the right-wing noise machines who
generated scurrilous, petty, personality-based innuendo to describe my
patriotism when I first started posting. Even it is said by a few
that this board is basically Democratic.........the spattering of
anyone's liberal views was quickly pounced on by those who felt they
could get away with it here. I am not complaining that's just the way
it was. Not comparing myself to Obama but when it was clear he was
going to be the Democratic nominee (and he was not slapping flags all
over himself or belting out the National Anthem, to prove his
patriotism), they used every breath he had taken since birth to
nullify him as an American. They've used his race, his religion, his
father, his mother, his grandmother, his wife, his school and anything
else they could think of to disparage him. They do this to anyone who
is in disagreement. It get old and when anyone mimics the status quo
then.... they are bottom feeders.
Not that bottom feeders are a bad thing ........they keep things
clean.

Some Rep's utter words like patriotism and national security using
george bush's invocation of the word to send spasms of fear and
submission to those who dared to disagree. Unfortunately I have never
learned to cower.

Does this tell you where I stand on your question to me?

On Aug 19, 1:23 pm, dennis <dgeorg...@alltel.net> wrote:

[CyclePro]

Well RW, maybe you can clue us in on where you get your News or better
yet,
maybe you can let us in on the great Wisdom you've gained via playing
the Scoffer and Mocker in your
Great Debates. I guess this is why you 'hit back low blow for low
blow' as you put it...

I liked your statement about questioning the "right of the Left to
exist". I'll be the first to admit that to get a bird to fly it takes
both a left and a right wing.

Are you admitting that you are a Hard Left or a "Soft Left" or one of
those wishy washy types that want to be "Relative" on all things and
Absolute about "Nothing"?

What do you stand for? What would you consider your greatest assets
towards a foundation of ideological thought? Could you tell me which
authors or books have shaped your Critical Thinking and helped to
solidify your ideological positions? Who or Whom do you consider to
be a "Trusted Source" given that today there is a massive amount of
information to filter through?

I've also gathered you are an "Appeaser & A Pascifist". Am I
correct?

Which 3 Founding Fathers of this Nation do you hold in high regard?

For me it's Ben Franklin, James Madison, & Alexander Hamilton.

I've also built my political viewpoints from Adam Smith, John Locke, &
Edmund Burke.

RW, are you a fan of "Friedrich Niechtze"?

On Aug 19, 5:24 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Imagine that!!!!!! A PhD with a spelling problem!......Socrates and
Jesus Christ....both executed for being incurable rabble
rousers........

[cheshirecatldy]

rw, where did you receive your masters or doctorate in english/grammar
from? just curious

On Aug 19, 9:54 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
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[Foxtrot]

CP - Great questions and we'll see if he gives if he gives definitive
answers or dances with typical evasive rhetoric. More importantly,
let's see if RW has the backbone to respond to Cat Lady's questions
which is the real test to see what the big boy is made of.... He can
dish it out, now let's see if he has the backbone to respond to both
of you.

Just on this thread alone I agree with 98% of what Cat Lady wrote. I
respect the fact you know where the lady stands on issues. Do I agree
with her about Dick Cheney? No, but I'm willing to listen to her
reasons WHY she passionately dislikes the man. That's her right but I
know she will be forthright and I love her being brutally honest. Hey,
if she thinks I'm a "SOB" by golly, she will say it and back it up
with reasons and I'll respect and be the first to acknowledge.
Obviously she's lost loved ones in wars and that gives her the right
to think, say, and write whatever she wants. Look, I've never met the
lady, but I wish I had and you can bet she and I could agree to
disagree and walk away smiling with a cordial handshake. She's earned
our respect because she's completely up-front with her opinions. That
has to drive angry looney liberals up a wall.

Now Dennis created this thread and if you notice he placed my name
first on the list. I don't care or mind. I stated the term "agree to
disagree" long ago on several occasions. Don't believe me, go back on
this site and insert it using quotation marks in "search this group,"
user access functionality. Numerous times I've stated my positions on
a wide array of topics and been quite explicit. Why? So they couldn't
be taken out of context. How does he react? He'll attempt to distort
what I've said by asking questions about issues that I've addressed in
detail. Do I think this is condescending? You bet I do because it's an
old ploy used by anti's. Why? They can't be practical or objective
because they can't offer viable solutions. But, turn about is fair
play because how often will he answer my or your questions (ie. to
rank countries which he has avoided)? Rarely,--- and when I don't
answer his, it is because in my opinion he is just being that -
CONDESCENDING. So Dennis don't give me holier than thou innocent BS.
Just state your purpose / intent without clouding issues. Look, I've
praised your work as a council member but challenged you on domestic
and foreign affair issues. That is more credit than you've given me.

BTW Dennis, I don't recall calling anyone a Marxist or a communist.
Now I have ASKED numerous times in form of a QUESTION based on
comments made by an individual. For the record, I am NEITHER a
Marxist, communist or a socialist. I don't fear resondng to that, why
can't she? Now, if you view my quires as accusations that is your bag
of rocks to deal with, so just state your purpose and don't beat
around the bush. Just explain your intent in the process. Your mind
games cease to be entertaining.

When I threw out a term like "mean bit_h" in another thread, did I say
it in anger and / or without purpose? NOPE - I visit MC and adjacent
counties frequently and have family and friends residing there. We all
develop reputations good or bad within a community. However, when I
see an individual who has grossly attempted to berate / insult
innocent good people for being overweight (ie. FAT), deviously attempt
to plant a seed to cause friction between spouses, habitually insult
an older Veteran because of a physical handicap, continuous political
hatred and I could go on and on and won't even address subtle insults
thrown my way. SORRY, I don't apologize for going after mean spirited
vindictive people who obviously gets their kicks in life by hurting
others. She can say what she wants about me. I'm a big boy and I sure
as heck know an obvious two-faced BULLY when I see one. Hey, it's
okay for her to call someone a fraud but when she gets backed into a
corner she retreats like a coward then sends out attack dogs to do her
dirty work. Yes, I said COWARD because anybody can see that behavior
is applicable. When she's big enough to apologize to several that
she's hurt, then she won't be challenged. FYI, she owes me nothing nor
do I want or expect anything. Also, I know who is patriotic and who
isn't so, the "poor pity me" attitude she attempts to portray only
makes her look worse. Besides, that old dog won't hunt and people can
see right through phony plastic behavior.

On Aug 19, 9:07�pm, CyclePro <jlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

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[dennis]

So, Fox. Do you agree or disagree with the quote?

One of the things that we have to change in this country is the idea
that people can't disagree without challenging each other's character
and patriotism.

[dennis]

PS
Ask me a question and see if I will answer it.

On Aug 20, 1:19 am, Foxtrot <ram1969...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[cheshirecatldy]

Fox you know what I think is funny?
the thread was posted as a do you agree with this statement, then it
was turned around to an Obama thing-although he said it, this thread
was not started as an obama thing!!!! I told y'all it was a loaded
question!

fox, I dont like cheney because I think he is a shit starter. He is a
control freak in my opinion and is behind every bad or questionable
thing this administration has done or thought about doing. He is
part of the elite, in my opinion. He wants control of that oil and I
think he thought he saw a perfect opportunity. Bush is a man wanting
to do a good thing and he believes in America, but Cheney I really
think manipulated him into something.(Iraq) I still will not be
surprised if somewhere down the road it is found cheney had something
to do with 9/11 and GOD help him if so,.

On Aug 20, 1:19 am, Foxtrot <ram1969...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Uhh...Obama is not for ethnic cleansing...Nevermind CCL...

[cheshirecatldy]

that isnt what I have found rw
did he say this quote or not? "Obama said it would be hard to

speculate. “The Sunnis might have made
the same decisions at that time. The Shii’as might have made some
similar decisions based on political calculation. There was ethnic
cleansing in Baghdad that actually took the violence level down,” he
said.

if he did, he appears to think ethnic cleansing has positive
results. maybe he let his actual thoughts get in the way of what he
was supposed to have said?
I am just bringing up what I have read, if it is wrong show me the
proof it is wrong and I will say I am wrong.
Here is another one where he again says ethnic cleansing is a
positive, so no rw , Iam against ethnic cleansing, so therefore obama
and I do not share this view!

Quote from Today Show interview:

So there's no doubt that we've seen some measured progress in Anbar
province, primarily because the Sunni tribal leaders made a political
decision there that they would work with the coalition forces. We've
seen a very modest reduction of violence in Baghdad, partly because
entire neighborhoods have essentially been ethnically cleansed. Those
are all positive things, but we are now back at the levels of violence
back at the levels of violence we were 18 months ago.

On Aug 20, 8:17 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[jsb]

I am assuming the quote came from this speech, but when did McCain
question his patriotism? Character should always be questioned in a
presidential candidate. IMO.

“These are the judgments I’ve made and the policies that we have to
debate, because we do have differences in this election,” Obama told
the veterans. “One of the things that we have to change in this

country is the idea that people can’t disagree without challenging

each other’s character and patriotism. I have never suggested that

Sen. McCain picks his positions on national security based on politics
or personal ambition. I have not suggested it because I believe that
he genuinely wants to serve America’s national interest. Now, it’s
time for him to acknowledge that I want to do the same.

“Let me be clear: I will let no one question my love of this country,”
Obama said to applause.

McCain stood before the same audience a day earlier and said Obama
“tried to legislate failure” in the Iraq war and had put his ambition
to be president above the interests of the United States. He said the
Illinois senator did this by pushing for a timetable for withdrawal of
U.S. combat troops from Iraq and by voting in the Senate against a
major appropriations bill to help fund the troop increase.

Responding to Obama’s comments, McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said:
“Barack Obama has made it clear that unconditional withdrawal in Iraq
is more important to him than victory in Iraq. That’s not a criticism
of his patriotism, that’s a criticism of his judgment.”

A decorated Vietnam war veteran and member of the Senate Armed
Services Committee, Arizona Sen. McCain has sharply questioned whether
the 47-year-old Obama has the experience and character necessary to
serve as commander in chief

[Foxtrot]

Cat Lady - I respect your opinion. I'll admit, Cheney is hardcore and
can rub people the wrong way, especially the press. No doubt, if the
Dems had something concrete they would have gone after him with both
barrels.

I see RW still hasn't addressed your earlier posting. Same, same for
CyclePro questions / comments.

No Dennis, I don't have any questions at this time but if I do, I'll
let you know. Truthfully, I said what I had to say and you have a
right to post a rebuttal.

[CyclePro]

yes RW,
I do have a trouble at times with spelling and fast typing of words.
I also use to drink a lot when I was laying people off.

I'm human, I have not claimed to be perfect.

How about you RW, any words of Wisdom from the Scoffer's point of
view.

On Aug 19, 8:54 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
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[CyclePro]

Dennis I asked you PLENTY.

Go back to the Iran thread. We can start from there....

[cheshirecatldy]

jsb, you are correct
he (mccain) has the right and the freedom to question obama about
anything.
barry is acting like a little kid, mom he called me unpatriotic, make
him play nice
come on
ps
hear a long lost brother has been found of barry's

[jsb]

"JUST WORDS JUST SPEECHES"

[cheshirecatldy]

yep
apparently the words hurt barry alittle, wat ya think

[cheshirecatldy]

Fox, yea but I still think he is a smarmy snake in the grass!!!!
my opinion

[smileyface]

You are soooooo funny CCL......you go girl~~!!!!!

:) SF

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Sex Drugs and Rock n Roll! although not necessarily in that order!

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

JSB said:
I am assuming the quote came from this speech, but when did McCain
question his patriotism? Character should always be questioned in a
presidential candidate. IMO.

If that's the case JSB then McCain should be impeached before he is
even elected!
What kind of character would be part and parcel of the biggest bank
meltdown...up til now of course...in AMERICAN HISTORY? Does the term
"Keating Five" ring a bell here?

On Aug 20, 9:29 am, jsb <bvmmgi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[lebanonfan]

Keating Five hasn't gotten much play...

On Aug 20, 6:46 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[cheshirecatldy]

it will

[KY Hooligan]

Dennis....

I don't recall calling any one outright a Communist other than Obama,
primarily because of the evidence I have in my files. His connections
and Mentors in both Hawaii and Chicago should be of concern to all
Americans.

However, there are some here who constantly post the communist view of
issues and I may point that out, but it does not necessarily mean they
are a Communist. Perhaps Communist Sympathizer would be more
appropriate. I would hate to think they weren't intelligent enough to
not be aware of what they are repeating. I have said that the left
Wing of the Democrat Party is Communist but that is organizational not
personal.

I do not challenge anyone's Patriotism, however, I sometimes question
on which side it lays....America or Aiding and Abetting the Enemy.

Here is a perfect example from Obama's book "Audacity of Hope":

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an
ugly direction."

Would you question his Patriotism or would you question where his
Patriotism lays? This concerns me as to how he would react if the US
sustains another radical Islamic attack. All Americans, regardless of
party should be concerned about this.

I find many on the left will condemn me for saying such things but yet
not have the integrity to look up the information themselves to see if
it is true or not.

I don't appreciate people who tell deliberate lies, such as
Conservatives get their marching orders from Foxnews or Limbaugh.
Considering I, for one, never listen to Limbaugh, and considering
several top execs and employees at Fox have donated to either Obama or
the Democrat Party, and have several show hosts on daily, just shows
how ignorant that statement can be. Perhaps we should be calling
Foxnews the voice of the Left Wing Radicals.

If Liberals truly believed in "agree to disagree" then you would not
see the militant action on college campuses, or the streets of San
Francisco. There would be no anti war militants on destructive
rampages.

Dennis, if you truly believe the Liberals believe in the "agree to
disagree" feeling, I would challenge you to go on the Huffington Post
or Daily Kos and tell them you like Bush and think he is the greatest
President. See how long before your post in deleted (I hear 15
minutes or less is standard) and you are trashed unmercifully.

There have been stories in some of the press that negative post or
stories about Obama have been deleted from Wikipedia and Google. Even
worse, Google has been shutting down some of the conservative web
sites on their Blogspot.com.

"Agree to Disagree" ?

[KY Hooligan]

Perhaps that is again you believe the lies instead of the truth. This
was brought out on TV last night and Bob Bennett, (Clinton's Lawyer
during impeachment proceedings) was on the Congressional Investigation
and he stated that McCain had done nothing illegal or inappropriate.
He said if anything McCain made an error in judgement of his friends.

Well shucks, how about Obama's "Error of Judgement", Frank Davis, Saul
Alinsky, William Ayers, Rev Wright, Fr Fleeger.

Perhaps, according to your criteria, it is Obama who should be
impeached beforehand.

On Aug 20, 6:46 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

I don't recall calling any one outright a Communist other than Obama,

primarily because of the evidence I have in my files...J Edgar Hoover
wannabe?

[lebanonfan]

I would love to see your files.

[KY Hooligan]

I bet you would, but it would be a full time job going through it.

In My Documents I have about 285 directories and many of them have sub
directories. I have 99 directories in my Graphics section, but about
2/3ds of those are general pictures, the rest pertain to current
events. A few of those also have subdirectories. Then there are the
Family, Genealogy, and Private files and the breakouts for my various
web sites.

I collect from a large array of news sources from coast to coast, as
well as specific sites on specific topics or issues. Many of them are
just portals of national syndication or from wire services. You may
find a liberal columnist in a Conservative paper and a conservative in
a Liberal paper.

There are a few blogs, especially investigative ones, worth reading
but most are just opinions of people of various persuasions.. Many on
both the Left and Right are opinions and deal little in facts. So you
have to be careful of repeating false information.

Thus the combination of all the above is how I am able to keep up with
what is going on. It also makes it easier to spot people who are
putting out phony balogny or have no clue what they are talking about,
regardless of which side it comes from.



Between the various search engines and Lexis Nexis, it's harder and
harder for people to hide their politics or personal lives. I would
like to think it would make people more honest in their publications,
but I won't hold my breath.

I heard the other day someone said that the woes of America will not
end until the last Baby Boomer dies. In some respects, they may be
right.

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

One word of helpful advice Hoolie: Google!

[Taylorcofan]

Dum-de-dum-dum-duuuuummmmm!


On Aug 22, 5:16 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[KY Hooligan]

OHHHH you mean the outfit that is now deleting blogs they don't like,
deleting listings they don't like? Yeah, RW, that's real integrity.

Both Google and Wikipedia got caught at it. Bet you don't read about
it in your Communist Media.

(cue the Twilight Zone Theme)

On Aug 22, 5:16 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

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[cheshirecatldy]

do-do-do-do-do!!!!!!!
que the censors!!!!!!!!!
good job hooli

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

I KNEW IT!!! And I thought all of those files I lost were due to my
own negligence! Thanks Hoolie! Just when I was beginning to question
my own sanity!