Re: Siegfried and Shyamala RE: [Sadhu Sanga] More to Siegfried Bleher People Serge Patlavskiy Today at 7:00 AM To Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com Message body - Kashyap Vasavada on June 19, 2017 wrote: >Currently human observers are present when observing >(subjective) quantum phenomena. . [S.P.] First. There is a difference between "observer" and "subject of cognitive activity". The role of an observer is in recording the events. So, any physical device (and natural sense organ) may play (or perform) the role of an observer. However, a physical device does not possess consciousness -- it is not able to make sense of the recorded events. . As to human, it can play as the role of a passive observer (who just records the events using own sense organs and artificially constructed devices), so the role of performer of cognitive activity which results in making sense of the recorded events. To the point, in certain experiments, even the absence of results/events may make sense for the given researcher. . Second. Human observer CANNOT observe quantum phenomena in principle. Quantum phenomena are UNOBSERVABLE. We should stop confusing the audience. In either case, the human as a subject of cognitive activity starts assessing the results of experiments only after the act of measurement is accomplished. . Third. The idea of "quantum" pertains not to the physical features of energy, but to ability of a complex system as a whole (like an atom) to absorb/release energy. Energy changes always continuously, but, it is the complex system that is able to absorb/release energy in portions. . My approach can explain why this takes place. The case is that the overall (or entropic) state of a complex system (like an atom) depends equally on the activity of three factors simultaneously: on informational factor, on material factor, and on energetic factor. If the overall (or entropic) state of a complex system would depend ONLY on the activity of energetic factor, the complex system would absorb/release energy in a continuous manner. . With respect, Serge Patlavskiy From: "Vasavada, Kashyap V" To: "Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com" Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:55 PM Subject: Siegfried and Shyamala RE: [Sadhu Sanga] More to Siegfried Bleher Dear Siegfried and Shyamala, Thanks for the interesting comments. It is good to note that ancient Indian wisdom has some relevance to the philosophical issues raised by modern physics. But the question of consciousness and quantum mechanics is very intriguing. Currently human observers are present when observing (subjective) quantum phenomena. But there was a time when sentient objects were not present in the universe and still quantum processes went on just like today! You might argue that ultimate consciousness, Brahman was present all the time!! Best Regards, Kashyap Вірусів немає. www.avast.com