Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Science is not Sacrosanct and Science Takes Place Within an Orthodox Tradition People Serge Patlavskiy Today at 9:45 PM To Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com Message body - Adam Kun on May 18, 2017 wrote: >Macroevolution is a proven fact of Life on Earth. We see >the product of macroevolution all around us. Us included. >We descended from apes. It is clear from our biology. [S.P.] First. What we see around us is that every living organism, to stay alive, must be expediently evolved. It seems that every living organism is satisfied with what it is now and it (me including) shows no interest to "evolve" into other species. Second. Our (human) biology tells us that, anatomically, we are the closest relatives with pigs. But, this notwithstanding, I want to congratulate you on that the apes are your personal predecessors. May I know which apes in particular? What about Darwinian idea that the humans and apes could have had a common ancestry? As I see, you disagree with this idea? I have used the modal word "could" because there are still no ancient fossils found. When the coelacanth was found alive and kicking, many evolutionists must have gone out of their mind at that very moment. Instead, there are a lot of fossilized remnants of gigantic humans found all over the globe. These remnants are being stubbornly ignored by academic community. Third. What do you think about the hypothesis of involution which holds that, in fact, the hominids descend from humans, but not vice versa? Fourth. What do you think about the idea that the human races are the results of exquisite genetic experiments performed in pre-ancient times by some highly developed civilization in laboratories situated on different continents? This same pertains to such plants as wheat, maize, soya, etc. -- they could not in principle appear in result of selection from wild predecessors. Fifth. What do you think about my idea that the natural selection is always a conscious selection? I mean that every organism is able to make a conscious choice whom to mate. Sixth. What do you think about the evolution of consciousness? My approach is that for a living organism to stay alive, it must possess the expediently evolved and necessarily potent exemplar of consciousness. All the living organisms are "equal" in the sense that they all are alive. The exemplars of consciousness of all possible living organisms are "equal" in the sense that these all exemplars are expediently evolved and necessarily potent. Seventh. What do you think about my idea that we have to consider simultaneously three theories --1) the theory of the origin of life and consciousness; 2) the theory of consciousness; and 3) the theory of evolution of the complex self-organizing systems -- for these theories to possess necessary explanatory and predictive power? I mean that whatever theory of evolution we construct, it will not be a theory until we construct another two theories as well. And, finally, I would much like to know your opinion concerning the ideas I have expressed in my post on April 23, 2017. I case you have missed it, it is here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/online_sadhu_sanga/0UAN-0Gpr4o/Qndwndi8CwAJ With respect, Serge Patlavskiy From: Kun Ádám To: Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Science is not Sacrosanct and Science Takes Place Within an Orthodox Tradition Dear Dr. Shanta, > Most importantly, we can observe the fact that there are psychological > differences between the 'good science' and the 'bad science' that > might impact responses to the available empirical information. All > available empirical data shows that 1. Life comes from Life, 2. Matter > comes from Life, 3. There is no Macroevolution (dog comes from dog, > cow comes from cow, ape comes from ape and human comes from human) and > so on. (1) Is true. (2) Is nonsense, except if you define life as everything, but then that does not say too much about either Life or Matter. (3) Is also nonsense. Macroevolution is a proven fact of Life on Earth. We see the product of macroevolution all around us. Us included. We descended from apes. It is clear from our biology. Вірусів немає. www.avast.com