good bye gopal

[superior....@gmail.com]

Bharatiya yodaho
I am ashamed ,shocked , frustrated and humored at the concept of self
censorship from glorifying ones own name in media.This rule was created
by gopalkrishna and who fiercely advocated from self glorification in
media not heeding to this rule would lead to termination from BM and
comrade AMIT HARGUDE had stored a discussion between him and gopal were
gopal mentions this rule and amit would show it to all as AMIT HARGUDE
was sure that this rule will be broken happen and here is the culprit
himself being the hero in INDIA TODAY magazine dated feb-12-2006. I had
great hopes on gopal but he went in for this glorious suicide
Whatever belief I had on the hierarchy of BM is broken and from now
further I and neither our group here would adhere to mindless rules
created by a few.Although I am constantly barked upon by other from
anywhere in Bm for my fierce articles and all my request being
constantly turned down has left me sad but unlike others losers I wont
keep quiet and leave the group as my attitude is -
" Mistakes are liable for punishment not mercy"
"I won't die until killed or martyred for India"
if others follow this line both this group and India will achieve
greatness.So gopal should do the rest of work himself or if the
ADMIN-team is not meek then they should follow the rules
bm discussion members your views are awaited
amit kumar chatterjee
bm-mumbai

[Ankur Gattani]

Yaar ispe itna dil pe lene ki kya baat thi?

 

In the first place, it was the rule that was impractical! The idea of no names appearing in the media was only to try containing the self glorification, in the sense.. that getting into the media should not become an end in itself.

 

Any reasonable thought on this, would add clauses of conditions where the person might be penalised. Every organization has a spokesperson.. (a corporate org., political party, government, ...) whose name ends up appearing even more often than the top leaders themselves.. that doesn't mean he's glorifying himself or portraying himself as larger than the organization itself... he's just been the interface between the party and the media.

 

Likewise, in all our interactions with the media, on behalf of BM, there would be some body playing the interface.. so that would be unfair of us to assume that he did it for self glorfication..the media ppl will publish names.. coz they need to associate identities with the reports.. all of us can't just go backstage and say that the performance is on.. there have to be some people who come out to say what's going on!

 

so... a blanket rule encompassing all publications of names in media.. is going to be only destructive to our work..

 

Regards,

 

Ankur

 

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[Moderator BharatUdayMission]

Dear Members,

 If not backed by proper proof, taking some body's name and making allegations of serious nature is called mud slanging, which is not desired. Usage of language is an indication of the person's thinking.

 Though we are an informal organization, but we feel that whatever goes on main group can be called as official for BM's purpose, other than that there are some mail-ids, from which if communication happens can be called official. Anyone may differ and can have separate discussion on the same.

 First thing, Gopalji did not create any rule barring anyone to go to media. Administration team members, Namely, Rishikesh, Divya and Gyan made this rule, that "Before speaking to media, one need to consult the administrator" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/message/1817 .

If he said, not to go to media, he would have done in his personal capacity. Many members say so.

 It was widely accepted among members, that we should not approach media. Some were in favour of it. We can produce those comments by various members. After observing the effects of media reports(Dainik Bhaskar and a few more http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/files/Media%20Reports/, Gopalji has also suggested that, if media approaches us, we should deal with media, with no person highlighted. He has also suggested of appointing a spokesperson every chapter, not just at national level.

 With Times Of India report, there was no particular, whose name had appeared. When India-Today reporter approached, Gopal had called us before going for interview and we, administration team, had agreed that people in Kanpur including Gopalji, would project the BM in right perspective. We think they were successful in that. Whatever had appeared in India-Today was decided unanimoulsly by all members present there, not by an individual.

 We including Gopalji, had requested not to show any picture or name, but reporter insisted and also some words were added beyond the knowledge of Kanpur BM members.

 None in central team has any interest in projecting himself. Its a general observation, "those who find problems everywhere, should do soul searching".

 

Regards,

Moderators

 

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[amit hargude]

dear members,
i think each moderator have different thing to say,
one of the moderator said that gopal approached the moderators on next
day and not before the interview and in the above reply i see something
else. so please decide among urself first dat what u all want to say on
this, and also in this article the moderators had a choice to stick to
the rule, but this did'nt happen....why?, if rules are manipulated
like this or cant be implied, then why keep it, its better to scrap
this rule. surprisingly no action has been taken....why? ... was the
publication so important dat the rule which was created had to be
manipulated. or if u had no choice then plz make such which can be
implied without manipulation.!!

regards
amit hargude

[Moderator BharatUdayMission]

Dear Members,

 Mr. Amit Hargudeji, was talking to one of the Moderators. Due to work pressure and many events happened in between the Moderator had thought in mind about Times of India, Kanpur event and was talking on the basis of that. We are sorry for confusion caused, but had no intention of hiding or manipulating any information. If needed, we can produce all mails to group. The ToI Kanpur interview was held on 23 January before 3:15 PM. When Gopal had informed about the same, we had decided that we will bring some order in media event handling and sent http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/message/1817 at 23 January 6:15 PM. The message only says, that no one would approach media on own. If media approaches, then moderators are to be taken into confidence. After that when India-Today people approached Gopalji had contacted us, as required.

 In ToI Kanpur event, Gopalji had managed to hide name and there was no picture. Can be verified at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/files/Media%20Reports/ . So no question of Gopalji trying take any mileage arises. We have already talked about India-Today Interview.

 We are not sure, which rule is broken by whom? If we are missing something,  please point out.

 

Regards,

Moderators
 

[amit hargude]

dear moderators,
plz come up with a convincing story as this is
just not done. i had confirmed it 2wice with 1 of the moderators and
still this. if u want i can produce a proof of my conversation with the
moderator, the moderator had also said that the publication was
important for bm and also the moderators had a choice to avoid the name
issue, but it was not done. is any member above any rule?.....even
gopal once said to me that rules r rules regarding this topic and i
have a proof of it. and plz take this issue as a third persons point of
view. and the founder should lead by example.
if think u have not broken any rule then i think it is manipulated

regards
amit hargude

[themostmyst...@gmail.com]

A CLARIFICATION

This is with regard to the India Today article.
The correspondents had come from Lucknow to the campus in just one
day's notice. Before letting them have the interview Gopal and others
had pleaded several times not to publish any names or any references
whatsoever. But the correspondents said that we cannot do this because
we need a proof of the credibility of our news. Compared to other
newspapers this is perhaps justified because an article finding a place
in a magazine like India Today should be credible enough and above all,
verifiable.
They said that we need at least one name, and by unanimous decision
Gopal's name was chosen. If people here were so hungry of getting their
names publicised then everyone could have given their names but none of
Gopal's friends' names are there in the article. Even the caption of
the photograph does not give their names.
I was not present during the interview and even I was upset on hearing
that Gopal's name would be published. But on hearing this story I feel
that the whole thing was inevitable. In fact this was the date after
which we warn Media people before they speak or ask anything else, that
no names please.
I hope, as an administration team representative of Kanpur Chapter I am
clear about the issue.

[Dr. N.S. REDDY]

Dear Friends,

 

 We have a long way to go and at the same time many problems to be solved.

Who ever the leader or who ever get Name is not matter, Our problem only one, that is  "to Rise the Nation". If Gopal Name published in India Today is nothing wrong. Let it be yaar.

 

Why we are discussing about it and spending our brains and energy? Let us leave this my dear young friends. I request you all people, let my mail will be final on this topic.

 

CHEER UP FRIENDS.

 

Now a days, I started speaking about BM to Many Professors, Software engineers and Postdocs from all over the world.

 

Recently, I called an IITM professor, who is in Japan now. In a gathering of 12 or 15 people, two people know about our BM. IITM Professor told about our Mission too. I am visiting India on March 11th and I will be back to Korea on 15th April. Once, I come back, I will start to spread about BM further more.

 

With best wishes and regards

 

N. Subba Reddy.

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[vishwanath shukla]

hi everybody,
I second Dr. Reddy that we should now stop this controversy, as
this is in favour of the organisation.
and at the same time we should take some lesson from it,
that we need to focus on these areas such role of media in our
organization and should try to come up with a definite policy regarding
it.
and for rest i think that we doing pretty good job.
vishwanath
shukla
jai hind