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Please send all such mails only to BM Discussion group in future.   ***************************************************************** From: shashwat pandey <sha21...@yahoo.com > Subject: Corruption free India :- Just a dream

Corruption Free India ? this question mark is quit big, with 80% houses in Indian capital illegal, is this possible? Millions of innocent people in jail for no reason, is this possible? This list is endless... but the answer to this question is YES. A big YES. to realizes this dream we need just one constitutional amendment, not like the one done recently (104th amendment), if GOI can make politics as a carrier for indian youth India can be corruption free, YES, India can be a corruption free state What is the state of politics today? Today we see all criminals want to join politics, we have seen so many cold blooded murderers in Lok Sabha, and solution to this is 1. Anyone fighting for L.S election must be a graduate. 2. There should be a pre-test for everyone who is filing nomination for L.S, this should be an online test conducted at all the places together, and questions should be regarding India (History of India, Where India stands in world today etc) each applicant must give a write-up about Indian foreign policy, internal problems like naxel / terrorism problem etc and IQ test. 3. These result should be made public and along with candidates criminal record this info must be present in the election booth, so that people before voting must know whom are they voting for. Time given for voters inside the polling booth should be more; details of all the candidates must be made available to voters at the polling stations itself. 4. Any professional who wants to take up politics as a carries must be given salary by GOI. This will enable people to work for the country along with enabling them to fulfill their family responsibilities. Otherwise there will not be any good brain in national decision making domain, who are the people today in highest decision making body some-one like Natwar Singh was also a part of CCS. People like Lalu Yadav talks about Indian railways going upto STM-64 bandwidth, I doubt if there was anyone including Lalu himself in L.S who might have understood what it meant. Today we need technical / Managerial people in politics, since these people have not been able to bring about any change in India in the last 57 yrs there is no scope that they can do it in coming 60 yrs as well, whatever India has archived it is because of its people, entrepreneurs like Naryanmurty, Dhirubhai Ambani, Azim premji and like, defiantly not because of Sonia Manio or Pramod Mahajan etc. Only if politics is free from corruption India will be free of corruption. And this is very much possible, if young people who are passing out from colleges and universities join main stream politics and bring about a change in India. India can become a corruption free state. Regards Shashwat Pandey http://www.geocities.com/sha211_211   ******************************************************************** From: promodchawla <promod...@vsnl.net > Subject: Amazing Friends, Without prejudice - just Think about it - how with open eyes we are being made a fool of for too long by our Sarkar & Sarkaris on: 1 Quattrocchi 2 Bofors pay offs 3 Bhopal - justice yet to happen to my suffering brethern. 4 Uphaar tragedy - right in the heart of South Delhi. How will it all stop? - Only thru your, mine, our intervention, voice & wake up call. GenNext is the forum which must raise their voice. Like never before. observations cum submission - promod

[Ranjan Singh]

 

Hi,

 

When we talk about corruption we must be clear what we mean by it. It seems one of the vaguest term under discussion.

If   "80% houses in Indian capital are illegal" it definitely indicates that something other than corruption is the root cause.

Either we assume that 80% of the population are corrupt or we assume that corruption has become necessary for survival.

In case of former we are left with no option but we will have to live with corruption and should stop abusing corrupts.

 

It is one of the common misconceptions that corruption is the root cause behind underdeveloped India. If you look closely, the opposite is also equally true that "Underdeveloped India is root cause behind corruption"

So we need to look at corruption from  a broader perspective.

Mass scale corruption is just an indicator. It is like fever which tells that some illness is there but does not tell anything about the illness. To know what that illness is, you need to investigate further. We should and we must try to know why majority of population choose to be corrupt.

 

Any effort to check corruption are futile specially when its a matter of survival. Go and take the reins of governance from those who are inefficient and fearful. Bring prosperity and corruption will evaporate like it never existed. I am sure majority of people will choose not to be corrupt in a prosperous India even without any checks.

 

So, all our dreams ultimately converges to a prosperous India.

 

"if GOI can make politics as a carrier for
indian youth India can be corruption free"

I don't know what led you to this naive assumption.

Our IAS and IPS officers are selected by a process more or less similar to what you have suggested and all of them belong to youth. But, the history tells that they are no less corrupt than our politicians. In fact,  if our IPS and IAS choose not to be corrupt than it will be very difficult for  a politician to be corrupt.

 

I can't understand how loving your motherland could be  a career, a profession. Either you love your motherland (irrespective of your profession) or not. You can't say that I love my India professionally. Will you agree that Gandhi, Subhash and all others fought freedom struggle because it was their profession otherwise they hadn't fought for it.  

Politics is not a profession. But yes,  we need young, energetic and courageous task force of efficient professionals to reconstruct our India.

 

With Regards,

Ranjan

[Shashwat Pandey]

Dear Rajan,

The reasons pointed by you seems to be correct but my analysis is
somewhat different, corruption is caused if your rulers are corrupt, as
you have pointed out IAS and IPS selection criteria is similar to the
one I had pointed, no officer becomes corrupt during his first posting,
they degrade gradually, once they see that corruption is the system,
all higher officiates are corrupt they too do the same. Higher officers
in turn are corrupt because politicians are most corrupt.

Who is the boss in Indian system? it is the politicians since they are
corrupt everyone down the chain is more corrupt. If we can have good
people ruling the country there cannot be any wrong thing happening in
any country.

I will elaborate more on this issue later,

I am surprised to see your comment about "loving your motherland " I
don't feel that it is only politicians who love their country, i am
advocating for politics as carrier so that more people can contribute
in national development, everyone is not as enthusiastic as you may
want them to be. Not every person will renounce its family
responsibility for joining politics as it is today. But this does not
means that they do not "Love their motherland"

Today only those people are in politics who either have a family
background or those who are businessman, how many service class people
you see in government today? If we want to change the face of India we
must change those people who represent India.

Regards
Shashwat Pandey

[panda]

80%? More than 99%. For the survival to compromise to save time - we
are engulfed by the big C. But the magnitude is not same with all.
Hence the negetivity of the situation is not ultimate. According to me
hardly 5% are herdcore corrupt. Rest of the 94+% is a mixture of
people, some of whom are taking the advantage of the situation and rest
are the victims who are compromising with corruption. If the system
become forceful against C, then most of the people would resort to
honesty by fear. So a mass movement is required to overhaul the system.
Which may be done also by a political revolution. In a democracy the
power of the 'vote' is a crucial arm in the hands of the common
population. Police reform act (now running on obsolete 1861 act),
Judicial reform etc are in the crucial discussion process. We have a
good PM who is basically not a politician. Intellectual persons and the
youth must take part or take interest in the process. The voice of
unrest would scare many hardcore Cs.
regards
panda