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> * hind swaraj or indian home rule-- part I - 1 messages, 1 author
> http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/7e673b68c405db5a
> * Where are our patroits - 1 messages, 1 author
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> TOPIC: hind swaraj or indian home rule-- part I
> http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/7e673b68c405db5a
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> == 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Wed, Jul 19 2006 2:02 pm
> From: "vivek claire"
>
> Hind Swaraj or Indian Home Rule
> M.K. Gandhi
> 1910
> Translated into English by M.K. Gandhi
> Being a Translation of 'Hind Swaraj'
> (Indian Home Rule), published in the
> Gujarat columns of Indian Opinion.
> 11th and 18th Dec., 1909
> Preface to the English translation
> It is not the without hesitation that the translation of 'Hind
> Swaraj' is submitted to the public. A European friend with whom I
> discussed the contents, wanted to see a translation of it and, during
> our spare moments, I hurriedly dictated and he took it down. It is not
> a literal translation but it is a faithful rendering of the original.
> Several English friends have read it, and whilst opinions were being
> invited as to the advisability of publishing the work, news was
> received that the original was seized in India. This information
> hastened the decision to publish the translation without a moment's
> delay. My fellow-workers at the International Printing Press shared
> my view and, by working overtime – a labour of love – they have
> enabled me to place the translation before the public in an
> unexpectedly short time. The work is being given to the public at
> what is practically cost-price. But, without the financial assistance of
> the many Indians who promised to buy copies for themselves and
> for distribution, it might never have seen the light of day.
> I am quite aware of the many imperfections in the original. The
> English rendering, besides sharing these, must naturally exaggerate
> them, owing to my inability to convey the exact meaning of the
> original. Some of the friends who have read the translation have
> objected that the subject matter has been dealt with in the form of a
> dialogue. I have no answer to offer to this objection except that the
> Gujarati language readily lends itself to such treatment and that it is
> considered the best method of treating difficult subjects. Had I
> written for English readers in the first instance, the subject would
> have been handled in a different manner. Moreover, the dialogue, as
> it has been given, actually took place between several friends,
> mostly readers of Indian Opinion, and myself.
> Whilst the views expressed in 'Hind Swaraj' are held by me, I
> have but endeavoured humbly to follow Tolstoy, Ruskin, Thoreau,
> Emerson and other writers, besides the masters of Indian
> philosophy. Tolstoy has been one of my teachers for a number of
> years. Those who want to see a corroboration of the views submitted
> in the following chapters, will find it in the works of the above
> named masters. For ready reference, some of the books are
> mentioned in the Appendices.
> I do not know only 'Hind Swaraj' has been seized in India. To
> me, the seizure constitutes further condemnation of the civilisation
> represented by the British Government. There is in the book not a
> trace of approval of violence in any shape or form. The methods of
> the British Government are, undoubtedly, severely condemned. To
> do otherwise would be for me to be a traitor to Truth, to India, and
> to the Empire to which I own allegiance. My notion of loyalty does
> not involve acceptance of current rule or government irrespective of
> its righteousness or otherwise. Such notion is based upon the belief -
> not in its present justice or morality but -in a future acceptance by
> governments of that standard of morality in practice which it at
> present vaguely and hypocritically believes in, in theory. But I must
> frankly confess that I am not so much concerned about the stability
> of the Empire as I am about that of the ancient civilisation of India,
> which, in my opinion, represents the best that the world has ever
> seen. The British Government in India constitutes a struggle
> between the Modern Civilisation, which is the Kingdom of Satan,
> and the Ancient Civilisation, which is the Kingdom of God. The one
> is the God of War, the other is the God of Love. My countrymen
> impute the evils of modern civilisation to the English people are bad,
> and not the civilisation they represent. My countrymen, therefore,
> believe that they should adopt modern civilisation and modern
> methods of violence to drive out the English. 'Hind Swaraj' has been
> written in order to show that they are following a suicidal policy,
> and that, if they would but revert to their own glorious civilisation,
> either the English would adopt the latter and become Indianised or
> find their occupation in India gone.
> It was at first intended to publish the translation as a part of
> Indian Opinion, but the seizure of the original rendered such a
> course inadvisable. Indian Opinion represents the Transvaal Passive
> Resistance struggle and ventilates the grievances of British Indians
> in South Africa generally. It was, therefore, thought desirable not to
> publish through a representative organ, views which are held by me
> personally and which may even be considered dangerous or disloyal.
> I am naturally anxious not to compromise a great struggle by any
> action of mine which has no connection with it.
> Had I not known that there was a danger of methods of violence
> becoming popular, even in South Africa, had I not been called upon
> by hundreds of my countrymen, and not a few English friends, to
> express my opinion on the Nationalist movement in India, I would
> even have refrained, for the sake of the struggle, from reducing my
> views to writing. But, occupying the position I do, it would have
> been cowardice on my part to postpone publication under the
> circumstances just referred to
> M. K. Gandhi
> Johannesburg
> March 20th, 1910
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> TOPIC: Where are our patroits
> http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/9d858c031e5be304
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>
> == 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Wed, Jul 19 2006 6:52 pm
> From: "Information Team Bharat Uday Mission"
>
> There is a message from Gopal krishna ji:-
>
> Dear friends,
>
> here are the innermost feelings of my heart. I pray, u feel in these
> words, why BM was started and why many of us will willingly sacrifice
> all our personal goals for the mission, prepared for all hardships,
> ready to face even death with a smile on our faces for the sake of
> humanity.
>
> I will request u to try to feel, what u must feel as a noble human
> being and a true patriot :
> (most of these census data have been taken from India Economy by Dutta
> and Sundaram : a very reliable book).
>
> in India,
>
> 1. 47% of children under 5 r underwieght due to malnutrition : just
> see in ur small child or the child of ur brother or sister, one of
> those children and u will feel "why BM" !!!
> 2. around 2.5 crores Indians r homeless, sleeping on streets: can we
> like to be one of those ?
> 3. just see this photo :
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0804/p11s01-wosc.html A disabled boy
> begs on a suburban train. : just imagine that boy is ur own son or
> brother : will u neglect him to a life of begging, humiliation and
> starvation : if not, then why not extend the same sensitivity for
> millions of such children in our country: do we mean to keep our
> sensitivity, love and sense of duty to just our so-called blood
> family. have we forgotten that "insaniyat se bada koi rishta nahi hota
> hai".
> 4. India has the greatest number of leprosy cases (estimated to be
> around 250000 ) - leprocy is a curable disease. When u see those
> disabled limbs, what do u feel : a curable disease and our people lose
> their limbs to live a life of begging and agonies : what the
> generation of our fathers and grandfathers have been doing with this
> society in last 59 years of Independence ???
> 5. and our child labour population is : the Government of India
> reports about 20 million children laborers, other non-governmental
> organizations estimate the number to be closer to 50 million. I ask
> just one question, will u accept ur child as a child labour ?
> 6. 70% of Indians have no access to proper sanitation.
> 7. 49% of Indians have no access to life-saving drugs : 50 crores
> without effective medical care. Just die in tears of agony and see ur
> children dying, whenever a petty curable disease, attacks them!!!
> 8. and a huge heartache : 300 millions people living below poverty
> line defined at Rs. 300 per month : simply starve to a slow death and
> die if any disease occur. Even animals don't starve unless there is a
> natural calamity, like famines and 300 millions of our brethren r
> starving without any natural calamities: we have made them worse than
> even animals and yet we talk of our being a patriot and "India shining
> or a superpower India" !!!
>
> Is poverty a crime and if it is, the criminals r not the people born
> into poor families, but we, the educated people, who have simply
> become incapable of thinking beyond our masses of bones and flesh.
>
> I find no reason to blame poorer sections of the society for any
> problem : they lack education and awareness : it was the duty of we,
> the educated people, to uplift them because we have both education and
> awareness. But we could not do so in last 59 years of indepedence.
> WHY? WHY? WHY?
>
> i find only one reason: excessive obsession with personal goals and
> our little blood family, at the cost of shameless slaughter of our
> social consciousness.
>
> But what is the way ahead : just reverse the tide of selfishenss and
> cowardice to lead a life of complete selflessness and matchless
> courage.
>
> I challenge everyone to tell us a non-political means, through which
> we can wipe out the poverty, illiteracy, diseases of our masses. Even
> the president of Bill and Melinda Foundation (the largest NGO in the
> world with 20+ billion $ money), Senior Gates, said in interview to
> Hindu : "we can give only prototypes, which government must emulate at
> large scale. Without role of government, our efforts are nothing,
> because we don't have that much human and financial resourses" .
>
> through NGO or trust, we can't attain our goals of a poverty-free
> India at all, hence we chose a less-travelled path of a political
> party, which will combine electoral politics and social work, and
> thus, do maximum social service to our motherland, attaining all
> social goals, for which so many freedom-fighters sacrificed their
> lives..
>
> I appeal to all of you:
>
> 1. If you feel fully (either u feel or u don't feel : if u don't feel,
> noone can make u feel : few things r for heart and not for head) that
> the salvation of the land lies in maximum social service through
> supreme personalification of service and renunciation in personal
> lives, I ask u for complete renunciation fo personal goals : finish
> all ur utmost crucuial family responsibilities soon and come to join
> BM fulltime. if u r bachelor, remain a bachelor celibate whole life,
> because in this mission, we will face much hardships and may even have
> to face death : does these words of hardships and death, dampened or
> enthused u ? if they dampened u, then, these words are not for u. IF
> they enthused u, be our life-partner and as a pledge to this resolve
> to dedicate whole life to the Mission, join our yahoo-group
> BM_fulltime by sending a blank mail to
> BM_fulltim...@yahoogroups.com or through yahoo-id here,
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bm_fulltime and please give ur details
> here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/database?method=addRecord&tbl=14
>
> Why I am asking those of u, who r willing to join BM fulltime in
> future after fulfilling all crucial family responsibilites, and r
> bachelor , to take vow of lifelong bachlor celibacy is because of the
> following:
>
> at a tender age of 7-8 In class 2-3, i was inspired by martyrdom by
> thousands during freedom struggle, about which I learnt while
> preparing for a freedom struggle speech for 15th August school
> celebration. The ideal for sacrificing everything and even embrace
> death with smile on the path of national service, has been absolutely
> firm in the mind since then and will always remain so : we will use
> all our intelligence to save our cadres and leaders from political
> violence, but there is no foolproof way : in my district in Bihar,
> whoever honest person, stood for election of Sarpanch, was killed in
> last 10 years : suppose, in future, I fell to bullets in this war ( a
> possibility, which we can minimise but never eliminate, at least not
> in some of the states like UP, Bihar, despite the best use of head) :
> in this scenario, which is better : to leave 1-2 fatherless children
> and one widow or to leave no fatherless children and widow due to the
> great patriotic merit of bachelor celibacy.
>
> IF these words dampen u, then u r not one which will become leaders of
> this Mission. I promise, we will avoid all criminal areas in initial
> phase; if needed, will provide armed protection to our leaders as per
> funds-availability, use informal networking with honest beureucrats
> and media for our protection and last, but not the least, our celibate
> fulltime memebrs will be the ones to be sent for leading in
> politically violent areas and not our married fulltime members.
>
> Also, celibacy is not difficult: when I entered IITK 4 years ago, I
> was in great trauma : how i will follow celibacy whole life (the vow
> was taken in class 5-6 itself, when I reflected how much marriage can
> damage the "ready to live, ready to die for one's ideals" type of
> people by seeing the marriage of my sister - a child generally
> understand anything by observing them first time), it is so difficult,
> something like mental torture to control this animal instinct (called
> as natural instinct by misguided elements) , but since my resolve was
> firm, God guided me to Yoga Sadhana and now, celibacy seems to be very
> natural, quite easy. Doing bahya Pranayam is infallible way to destroy
> lustful thoughts at once (please read
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BM_fulltime/message/495 on this great
> technique ) and doing asanas like Siddhasan
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BM_fulltime/message/495)
> and Mula Badha (http://www.yoga-age.com/modern/mudras.html ) will wipe
> this animal instinct from roots: and i m sure, everyone can maintain
> whole life celibacy easily and joyously using these technique daily
> for min. 20 minutes and become the fittest case for "ready to live,
> ready to die for one's ideals" type of people.
>
> And no need to worry about futile logic : "It is our duty to maintain
> progeny" - Buddha, Vivekananda, Newton, Shankaracharya, Ramakrishna
> Paramahansa, and so many great men, did not maintain progeny : what
> does it matter, if our progeny or for that matter our father's progeny
> is not maintained.
>
> We, the fulltime members, will give our all for this great Mission :
> we will optimise the chance for a poverty-free, corruption-free,
> iliteracy-free and backwardness-free India and finally, the whole
> world (includign African and other poor nations), by our hearts' blood
> . Insaah Allah, we will wipe every tear from every eye. Even from our
> ashes, the fragrance of true love for the humanity will come.
>
> And lastly, I will appeal to all those, who can't join us fulltime,
> but want to otherwise, optimise their contribution tio the Mission to
> do the following:
> 1. Live a simple life : if u can manage by a car of 3 lakh, never buy
> car of 10 or 20 lakh. If u can manage by a home of 10 lakh, never have
> a home of 50 lakh or 1 crore. Save each rupee and use them for
> upliftment of the poorest people. Contribute financially and
> intellectually to BM as much as u can : we, fulltime memebrs, r
> willing to embrace even death, so u should at least, help financially
> as much as u can : we r ur own brother , ur own son : won't u prepare
> us, all fulltime members, to win this war for humanity through ur
> sincerest help, even though we r ready for even defeat and martyrdom
> for the sake of humanity.
> 2. Bring this Mission to the notice of every person, who is honest and
> patriotic.
> 3. Always help everyone in need : empty talks don't make us a patriot
> or good human being, it is our noble feelings and deeds for our fellow
> beings, that make us so.
>
> I pray, u all feel the real spirit of our Mission fully.
>
> Vande Matram,
> In service of the humanity,
>
> Gopal
> BM_fulltime group.
> --
> With love,
> Gopal Krishna
> B. Tech Computer Science
> IIT Kanpur
>
> 'Those who condemn politics to be the last resort of a scoundrel are
> bound to be ruled by scoundrels' - Plato
>
> If you agree with above quote, then be a part of second freedom
> struggle of India, Bharat Uday Mission, at
> http://bharatudaymission.org
>
> "We have only one passion,
> The rise of a Great Nation."
>
> Name: Policy Research Team
> Table Description:
> Category Name of Issue Email of volunteers Deadline for final
> submission of draft report Submitted before deadline (Yes/No)
> Economic Transport: road, rails, sea and air
> Economic Healthcare r...@andrew.cmu.edu 31 May 2006
> Economic Housing
> honish...@gmail.com,srivastava...@yahoo.co.in 30 April
> 2006
> Economic Energy kksh...@gmail.com 31 March 2006
> Economic Drinking Water
> Economic Sanitation
> Economic Telecommunication and Information Technology
> Economic Natural Resources Development
> Economic Power kksh...@gmail.com 30 April 2006
> Economic Tourism
> Economic Globalization and Indian Economy schat...@sloan.mit.edu
> May 31, 2006
> Economic Fiscal Reforms: Subsidy, Disinvestmesnt, Taxation etc.
> Economic Planning in Indian Economy schat...@sloan.mit.edu June 31, 2006
> Economic Parallel Economy
> Economic Industrial Policy: manufacturing sector, services sector
> Economic Financial Sector: Banks, Capital Market, Rural Credit,
> Micro-finance etc. schat...@sloan.mit.edu May 31, 2006
> Economic Foreign Trade
> Economic Disaster Management madhush...@yahoo.com Feb 5, 2006
> Economic Resource Management Policy srivastava...@yahoo.co.in
> 17 Jan 2006 yes
> Economic Urban Planning srivastava...@yahoo.co.in 11 Jan 2006 Yes
> Economic Agriculture r...@andrew.cmu.edu 31 May 2006
> Economic Poverty ajit...@gmail.com,gopalkrish...@gmail.com 30
> May 2006
> Economic Employment
> Economics gdp issues, global competition, tax reforms, consumption
> driven economy har...@happyharsha.com 30 Apirl 2006
> Law Reforms in legal system
> Political Land Reforms honish...@gmail.com 30 April 2006
> Political Electoral Reforms
> Political Uniform Civil Code
> Political Administrative and Police Reforms
> Political Review of our Constitution abhi...@gmail.com 7th June 2006
> Political Labour Policy
> Political Terrorism
> Political Economic Development of North-Eastern Region
> Political Kashmir issue
> Political Defence madhush...@yahoo.com Jan 28, 2006 Yes
> Social Corruption
> gopalkrish...@gmail.com,schat...@sloan.mit.edu 30 May 2006
> Social Population Policy kksh...@gmail.com 31 May 2006
> Social Casteism abhi...@gmail.com,vkha...@gmail.com 31st May 2006
> Social Communalism
> Social Women Empowerment
> Social Science and Technology madhush...@yahoo.com Feb 26, 2006
> Social Sports
> Social Improvements in local governance/panchayati raj system
> abhi...@gmail.com 30 April 2006
> Social Education ajit...@gmail.com,gopalkrish...@gmail.com 15 May
> Social Environment chandrac...@yahoo.co.uk
> Social Secularism vkha...@gmail.com in 2006
> Social Policy regarding tobacco,liquor and addictive drugs
>
> --
> Thanks and Regards,
> Saurabh Khare
> Co-ordinator
> Information Management Team
> (Bharat Uday Mission)
>
> "We have only one Passion
> The Rise of a Great Nation."
>
> www.bharatudaymission.org
>
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> TOPIC: d best way to make your country educated & child labour free
> http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/33a3980fc7a8f9c7
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>
> == 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Thurs, Jul 20 2006 1:34 am
> From: "Sumit K. Gupta"
>
> *we all keep talking about things & we don't do anything. at most we are
> ready to hold a march.. a protest rally.. but hey.. aren't we forgetting
> something. we can do much more with our own money... our own hands.. we can
> shape the future of this country..*
> *how ???*
> *read on .................*
> The best thing we can do sitting at home for the general welfare of this
> nation is to adopt one kid. one normal or one handicapped also if possible.
> Here adoption may not neccessarily mean taking him home & keeping him/her in
> your house.. but each one of us can take one kid.. who is not already
> studying anywhere is totally on roads.. living his life by working somewhere
> or by begging. we can bear his expenses of education & while frequently
> meeting him .. our effort shall be to make him an honest citizen.
> i give this suggestion becuz i strongly believe when it comes to good
> deeds..
> then charity must start at home..
> i have already spoken to my parents.. & they are more or less agreeing. i
> need their permission becuz i dont earn anything as of now.. i will see from
> where i can adopt one & bear his expenses. but now i am planning to go ahead
> with it.
> and also.. i will prefer that one shall adopt a boy. becuz i came to know
> from one adoption agency that now a days more & more girls are being adopted
> & BOYS are in much worse condition
> however it always your own wish>>>
> please note..
> adopt a kid.. who is already not studying anywhere. take him to best school
> you can possibly afford & bear his expenses. we need educated class.. why
> can't we spend money for it when we bear so much taxes. lets come forward
> for a good deed
> lets make our country.. child labour free & an educated one.
>
> *what you all say guys ??*
> --
> Sumit K. Gupta
> _______________
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/National_Awareness/
> I am against Reservation & i will vote against Congress+Allies to bring down
> the Congress govt in next elections. I will fight for Equality.
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