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रजनीश मंगला

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Mar 4, 2006, 5:19:27 AM3/4/06
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मेरा नाम रजनीश मंगला है, 34
वर्षिय, अपने छोटे से परिवार
के साथ, मकैनिकल इंजिनियर की
हैसियत से पिछले पांच साल से
जर्मनी में रह रहा हूं। भारत
में मैं पंजाब से हूं।

हालांकि मैं इस समूह का कुछ
हफ़्तों से सदस्य हूं लेकिन
समय की कमीं के कारण कोई भी
पोस्ट पढ़ नहीं पा रहा था। अब
मैं धीरे धीरे भारतोदय में
अपना योगदान देना चाहता
हूं। मेरी सिर्फ़ एक ही
ख़्वाहिश है कि मुझे अपने
ख़्याल हिन्दी में पेश करने
की अनुमती मिले। अगर आप इससे
सहमत नहीं हैं तो बताएं, मैं
उसी वक्त ये समूह छोड़ दूंगा।


धन्यवाद।
आपका

satya

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Mar 4, 2006, 6:05:14 AM3/4/06
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Rajneesh Ji,

There are lot of mistakes in the font... its difficult to read it...
If possible also give a transalation of what you say...
so that the ppl from south also can read it....
Thats bcause just how you wouldnt be able to read any south indian script..
the same way 'most' of the south indians will not be able to read devnagri script.
So if u can take the pain of translating it...
that would be their first step towards learning it...

रजनीश मंगला

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Mar 4, 2006, 7:54:31 AM3/4/06
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सत्या जी आपके जवाब के लिए
धन्यवाद। एक तो आप कह रहे
हैं कि फ़ौंट में गड़बड़ है। ये
आप बिना समझे कैसे कह सकते
हैं? बाकि मैं चाहता हूं
एकता के चलते हमें एक और
बहुत महत्वपूर्ण काम करना
चाहिए। वो है एक दूसरे की
भाषा सीखना। चलिए आप मुझे
तमिल, तेलगू, मलयालम और
कन्नड़ सिखाईए, मैं आपको
हिन्दी और पंजाबी सिखाता
हूं।

dear mr. satya, thanks for your mail. it wonders me how could you point
out the mistakes in font without understanding it. I just introduced
myself as 34 years old mechanical engineer from punjab living with a
small family in germany for last five years. secondly i asked for the
permission to post in hindi. if it is not granted, i will leave the
group. but now i think i have to use blingual methd to post.

in this post i raised the need for indians to learn each other's
languages for the sake of national integration. which language do you
speak? can you forward me some links to learn some basic language?

i wish to contribute to bharatuday as much as i can.
thanks
rajneesh mangla
www.rajneesh-mangla.de

satya

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Mar 4, 2006, 8:20:05 AM3/4/06
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Hey Rajneesh....
My mail was not meant to leave a bad taste....but extremely sorry if it did.
and  I no where mentioned I cudnt read Devnagri...
I was simply elaborating on what u said regarding national integration...
And this is what I was pointing to when I said some mistakes in the font
के लिए , तमिल  ,कि फ़ौंट , बिना......
I definitely want to see mails in Hindi as well as regional languages...
for the better of our masses. To give more clarity I must state " Iam not against  any language."

And plz do not speak of leaving the group again... for theres a great need for ppl like you to lead the revolution that is BharathUday Mission...

Truly ..Satya

Jai Hind

On 04/03/06, रजनीश मंगला <rajnees...@googlemail.com > wrote:



--
"|| bRaHmAiVa sAtYaM ||"

Vinay Khaitan

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Mar 4, 2006, 9:28:03 AM3/4/06
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Dear satyaji,

Please north-south issue beech mein mat laie.
You think that just like many people from north cant read sourth-india
script, in the same way south indians cant read "north indian hindi".
That is the root of the trouble. You are assuming that english is the
language of all of us, but hindi is language of part of us.
I beg to differ. At least english is NOT the langauge of most of us
(forget even one side). So if we like one language for all of us to
communicate, then we must take the most spoken language. fortunately,
hindi is spoken by at least 50% os mass. Not any other
language(including english) is spoken anywhere near it.

So what would you think of the language of communication? English is
not understood by common mass(some of them have some understanding of
the language because of job realities, in the same way south indians
too understand hindi).

-Vinay Khaitan


On 3/4/06, satya <sat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Rajneesh....
> My mail was not meant to leave a bad taste....but extremely sorry if it
> did.
> and I no where mentioned I cudnt read Devnagri...
> I was simply elaborating on what u said regarding national integration...
> And this is what I was pointing to when I said some mistakes in the font
> के लिए , तमिल ,कि फ़ौंट , बिन>......
> I definitely want to see mails in Hindi as well as regional languages...
> for the better of our masses. To give more clarity I must state " Iam not
> against any language."
>
> And plz do not speak of leaving the group again... for theres a great need
> for ppl like you to lead the revolution that is BharathUday Mission...
>
> Truly ..Satya
>
> Jai Hind
>
>
> On 04/03/06, रजनीश मंगल> <rajnees...@googlemail.com > wrote:
> > सत्य> जी आपके जव>ब के लिए

> > धन्यव>&। एक तो आप कह रहे


> > हैं कि फ़ौंट में गड़बड़ है। ये
> > आप बिन> समझे कैसे कह सकते
> > हैं? ब>कि मैं च>हत> हूं
> > एकत> के चलते हमें एक और
> > बहुत महत्वपूर्ण क>म करन>

> > च>हिए। वो है एक &ूसरे की


> > भ>ष> सीखन>। चलिए आप मुझे
> > तमिल, तेलगू, मलय>लम और
> > कन्नड़ सिख>ईए, मैं आपको

> > हिन्&ी और पंज>बी सिख>त>

Ankur Gattani

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Mar 4, 2006, 12:41:01 PM3/4/06
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Hi folks..
 
the point about being all inclusive needs us to try taking eveyrone's thoughts here.... and for that matter.. there's no need to bring in a divide in terms of the language..
 
as for your point about hindi being the language of understanding.. yes.. of course our public material has to be in an understandable language..
 
shree rajneesh, bharat uday mein aapka swaagat hai. ham bilkul chahenge ki aap apne vichaar jis bhi bhaasha mein vyakt karna chahte hain karen.. sift itni guzarish hai.. ki bhasha ko ek saadan ki tarah istemaal karen.
 
language for us here.. at this point of time.. is only a medium to communicate ideas... let it not end up becoming a barrier to the same!
 
i for that matter am pretty comfortable talking in english for these maisl and discussions.. would be happy talking in hindi with folks around.. and resort to my original mewari.. at home.. and in my village..
 
altogether.. i appreciate and respect languages as a form of identity.. but only as long as ppl dont' start using them to create idetity clashes!
 
hope i've made myself clear
 
nothing against anybody.. or against any language
 
regards
 
ankur

 
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रजनीश मंगला

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Mar 4, 2006, 5:08:19 PM3/4/06
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सत्या साहब, आपके विचार पढ़कर
अच्छा लगा।

अंकुर साहब, जैसा आपने कहा
कि भाषा को सिर्फ़ साधन के
रूप में इस्तेमाल करना
चाहिए, वो बिलकुल सही है।
इसीलिए मैं दोनों भाषाओं
में पोस्ट लिखा करूंगा
(हिन्दी तथा अंग्रेज़ी)। भाषा
को हम कोई मुद्दा नहीं
बनाएंगे। मैं आपको अंकुर
साहब कहूं या गत्तानी साहब?
सत्या जी आप सत्या ज़्यादा
पसंद करते हैं या सतय?

खेतान साहब, भाषा को अभी कोई
मुद्दा बनाने की ज़रूरत
नहीं। हां इतना हम ज़रूर कर
सकते हैं कि हम अपने विचारों
को एक से ज़्यादा भाषाओं में
प्रकट करें।

एक बात और: अगर आपके
कंप्यूटर में हिन्दी (या कोई
भी भारतिय भाषा) ठीक नहीं
दिखाई दे रही तो अपने
ब्राउज़र के मेन्यू में जाएं:
view -> coding -> unicode (UTF-8)। ये windows XP में
सबसे ठीक दिखाई पड़तीं हैं।
-----------------------
Dear Mr. Satya, I like your views, excuse me for mistakes, but people
do a lot of mistakes in english too. Mr. Ankur, I agree with you that
language should be used as means of expression, not as a means of
divide. Infact my aim is to bring all indian people together on the
basis of languages. we learn foreign languages like french, german etc.
to be able to work, integrate with them. why can't we do the same with
our own languages. I will never try to convince / force the need of
anyone language. We will reach the optimum solution slowly,
automatically.

satya

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Mar 5, 2006, 5:52:34 AM3/5/06
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Vinay Ji,
You have caught me completely wrong.
That is all I can tell. And better for us to stop this here.

Truly ....Satya

Jai Hind

Amits

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Mar 5, 2006, 12:35:54 PM3/5/06
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Aapka yeh prayatn dekh kar mujhe khushi hai |
Aasha karta hoon ki aap hindi mein likhna zari rakhenge |
Hamein Bhartiya Bhashaon ki kadra karni chahiye
aur Hindi toh hamari Rashtriya bhasha hai |

( Agli baar main Hidi lipi ka prayog karne ka prayatn karoonga | )

Jai Hind !

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