BM Needs a constitution
Abhijit K
(This mail is being sent to moderators, main yahoo group, google group,
policy team, bm-fulltime, orkut groups and bm-mumbai, bm-panvel and
www.bharatudaymission.org/forum for better visibility. I'd request
members to please discuss only on the googlegroup for better
coordination).
BM has grown quite big now, both in size and structure. (please see
note-1 in the end for details). Its really pleasing to see that we are
growing and people are joining us and the number and diversity in the
activities is also going up. However the growth comes with its side
effects. Over the last few months, since I joined BM, I've observed
and I am sure most of the members have also observed that we are
simultaneously suffering from issues that typically affect a coming up
organization.
I'm enlisting a few issues which we should expect us to suffer from
(and many of them have actually happened with BM, no point in enlisting
them, since this mail is about the issues in general and not about
specific instances)
* BM (so far) has been an organization of self-proclaimed
intellectuals. Most of us are well educated people who believe that
they are capable of creating a better India, however everyone feels
that her way is better. Clashes of ideologies and differences are
unavoidable.
* We are all human beings, and likely to have egos. Ego clashes are
going to happen between members. Though we aim to become egoless, as
per our vision, lets accept the practical fact that it happens.
* Not everyone joining BM is joining with self-less motives. We should
expect people with selfish motives, people for whom politics and power
is the only aim, joining us.
* Its good to see that BM has a core unchangeable ideology defined now.
(
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/files/Ideology/Core%20Ideology.mht
). However when people join BM, it is not practical to expect everyone
agreeing on the core ideology and there may be differences. Many
people join because they want a platform and they find BM's ideology
and policies matching their priority goals in life.
* People expect to get credit for their work and being praised (of
course, not everyone, but I'm not commenting on what is good or bad,
just stating facts that I think are obvious). They also expect this to
get reflected in their roll in the organization getting better. There
are also the other kind of people who want to get credit without doing
work.
* As protective parents do, founder members may tend to be protective
about the organization (which is natural, almost everyone would be
like that) and that may sometimes lead other members think that they
are being sidelined or not being listened to or they don't have a say
in the organization.
* Seniority is a very subjective factor and lot of times senior members
wish to have a bigger say. This may sometimes lead the comparatively
junior members to feel neglected.
* Procedures and rules may get defined from time to time, but they do
get violated also. Lack of a mechanism to handle the issues arising
out of it, will cause members to feel cheated.
* For an online community like us, the role of moderators tends to
become a superior one and as they say "power corrupts", moderators are
also susceptible to make mistakes and try to become autocratic.
* Typical of most of the online communities: nearly 80% members are
totally inactive, rest 20% are online active and just around 10% doing
active ground work. People involved in the actual ground work and
giving their time generally expect to have a better say in the
organizational matters. A thing particular to BM is the BM_Fulltime
members. The case of these members is similar to senior members +
people involved in ground work.
* Lack of internal democracy and transparency (which we will not have,
according to the core ideology defined, however IMO we've not yet
fully implemented it) is not good for any organization for obvious
reasons.
* It is the local chapters which will be contributing most to the
activity. Many of the chapters would expect certain kind of autonomy .
* We have and 'll have members joining us, who have already been doing
social work. We'd certainly like lot of such people to join us and
contribute with higher responsibiilty roles. Comparisons between them
and existing senior members will be made and when comparisons happen,
issues arise.
* As a result of conflicts and unreset, members leave the
organization.
To sum up, we'll certainly work all our lives and make India a great
nation, but for that we need to ensure that we stay together and work
together.
The need for a constitution (for the lack of a better word) arises from
all these (and maybe more) issues which we either have suffered from or
may suffer in future. We have bodies that create a structure but we
lack the rules that will govern these bodies. We need a set of
guidelines which will govern all of us in our behaviour as a group and
rules for discipline among us.We are not a Very big organization yet
(and we're experiencing many of the problems even now), but we should
be prepared to handle the size right now, so that we avoid the
pitfalls and if at all there arise issues, we have mechanisms to handle
them.
If we are participating in a second freedom struggle of India, then BM
is like the erstwhile Indian National congress which was a
conglomeration of people with different ideologies, and in its early
days it was nothing but a group of educated but motivated people. It
had its own weaknesses, internal strife and often got partitioned and
hence weakened lot of times. We should ensure that we don't get
weakened that way.
Another important advantage of having a constitution is that it gives
the organization a formally defined shape. So far we have a structure
(and bm_fulltime seems to be working on evolving a better structure),
but it lacks a central formal definition, rules and framework for
future growth. Constitution is a solution.
I'm enlisting a few things which I think we need to handle in the
constitution. I'm sure more issues will come up in due course of
discussions.
* Roles and responsibilities of all members should be decided.
* Defining seniority and roles and privileges of senior members is
needed.
* Role of BM_Fulltime members in the overall organization needs to be
talked about.
* Responsibilities and powers of all central committees to be fixed.
* The issue of judging one's contribution is subjective and needs
careful handling.
* Rules for actions of functionaries and defining their limitations is
needed.
* Internal democracy needs to be established by providing for (direct
or indirect) elections of functionaries, defining right of votes and
eligibility.
* Mechanisms for handling unrest among members in a non-public-debate
manner and resolving issues amicably should be there.
* Disciplinary rules for all members and providing for disciplinary
action in (hopefully rare) unavoidable circumstances.
* Relationship between chapters and central team and responsibilities
of chapters towards central team defined.
* All this should be put up in a document to be made public.
Since I believe in the right of founder members to have a bigger say in
giving BM a shape that they would have dreamed of, I would like to
appeal to them to please take the initiative, setup a constituent body
and help BM becoming even stronger. I'm sure all members of BM will
extend their full cooperation in helping ourselves get it done.
Regards,
Abhijit K,
Moderator BM_Mumbai, Member: BM_PolicyResearch, BM_fulltime.
Note 1: (These are all my estimates) Total estimated number of members
of BM:3000+ We also have made lot of bodies and are trying to give a
structure to the organization, as was decided in the national
convention last year. Various central bodies of BM: policy team,
finance team, ground work team, propagation team, admin/moderation
team, website team. Each of these teams has members ranging in numbers
from 3 to perhaps around 20 (on policy team). Also, various chapters
have (supposedly) corresponding teams and they are all growing. The
number of chapters of BM is also growing and we've estimated around 37+
chapters now. The chapters are not limited to metros and big cities
but are coming up in smaller places also.
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Abhijit K
www.geocities.com/abhijit1303
www.bharatudaymission.org
Vinay Khaitan
I assure you that gopalji is never going to agree for a constitution.
He would either in one way or the other way is going to show the
problems with adopting to constitution. The reason is that ,in his own
words, he doesn't trust anyone. That means, he doesn't want to be
bound by constitution's framework.
Second thing, about "unchangeable ideology", well uploading a file
doesn't mean that its is validated. And defining any future
unchageable is not possible, as people are supreme. Mass majority can
always change any defined words. Gopal would push for this to never
happen, but that fact of the world is fact. The persons who devote
their life for any organisation would be always supreme!
-Vinay Khaitan
Vinay Khaitan
Gopal Krishna
I have taken a note of all issues raised by brother Abhijit Ji: mgmt grp has defined a good organ. structure for chapter: in next 2-3 days, it will be on our site and we have already uploaded a file on "Core Ideology" in files section.
founder word confuses me : if it is about starting BM, of course the idea comes to one person only and the vision was based on nationalism & spirituality, so better we use "seniormost members" instead of "founders" as such words r not needed now, when we have attracted many like-minded people. For const., we will start the work with some seniormost members and central team memebrs after due discussion on mgmt grp : it will be formally started when many of us will be done with our semester (after first week of May) and then taking help of all seniormost members (based on contribution and "Active for how long" ) and central team members, we will start this work in May.
So, let us move to "core work of policy team" and "strengthening chapters": let us avoid all kind of personal remarks or indirect criticism, as they will not help any of us or our Mission: the more personal remarks we make, the more we will lose our morals, because if we can't respect persons who started such a Mission, then at least we should avoid negative personal remarks on them on such a public forum like "BM_discussion grp".
Jai Hind
Gopal
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Abhijit K
However I'd like to comment on the issues that have been raised.
An organization has to have some core ideology which defines it. Also,
an organization is started by few people who have some ideas on their
minds. When other people are joining them, it is understood that the
people who are joining later, share the beliefs and goals of the
founders atleast in the spirit. If one does not agree, there is always
a separate free-path to follow. However at some point of time, when lot
of people have contributed towards the organization, the distinction
between founders and senior members vanishes as it is very subjective
to judge contributions. Hence any ideological definitions are supposed
to be made by the bigger group. Yes, it is again subjective to define
the bigger group, but once defined it should be followed and the
definitions should be largly acceptable enough not to hurt people.
Going for mass appeals and opinion calls on each and every issue
time-consuming and not always needed.
I think we are on that mode where the senior members should take lead
and define the rules, which will govern a bigger organization that BM
is now. Thereafter the rules would be above all, and all contributing
members in the organization would be supreme to modify the rules for
all. Thus, we also need to define the contributing members. Since I
trust all the senior members who have done a wonderful work of
sustaining and growing BM so far, I am sure they'll take into
consideration the opinions of ALL willing members of BM before making
the final rules, restrict themselves also in their privileges,
establish internal democracy and transparency; and I also hope that the
whole **process** of constitution making will be given sufficient
public display, for the sake of transparency which is one of our core
values.
I personally accept the unchangeable ideology and support the notion of
having such a document. The way it was done, may have left scope for
cribs. However for the lack of a constitution, I see no point in
raising issues.
Ofcourse, contributing members in the organization will be supreme,
after the constitution is made :).
Regards,
Abhijit K
Abhijit K
thanks for taking the initiative and note of all the issues raised.
i've been using the word "founder members" for the lack of knowledge of
history of BM in its early days. i did not mean by any means any
disrespect to the senior members who have been with BM since its early
days. my apologies if i hurt the feelings of anyone.
i would certainly agree with you that "all seniormost members (based
on contribution and "Active for how long" ) and central team members"
should be working on it. in that context i've a small request to please
make it public - the criterion for defining the members of the
constituent body (at appropriate time) for the sake of transparency.
i'm sure, you'd have otherwise also done that :). i would also suggest
to include in addition, representatives of willing chapters on that
body.
all the best to the members for their exams.
regards,
abhijit k
Vinay Khaitan
even after apologizing for the mishap happened, because of incorrect press of mouse button, because of which a personal mail had gone in public forum, it looks like I need to do it again directly.
So here is the mail of apology to Gopalji.
Vijay Mohan. D
This is basically the growing pains which are felt by any young
organization. Firstly, I would like to say here that, we have to attempt
this problem in a very professional manner.
By that what I mean is this: the Organization is more important than
specific beliefs or opinions, and although I myself strongly believe in
Individualism w.r.t a positive way of being a leader, I feel that basically
this is what we should do.
Everyone close their eyes and think about what they want BUM to accomplish
and how it can be done. Remember in advance that we are a young organization
and although the young have boundless energy, they are yet to learn patience
because they want to run forward quickly, without being hampered by anyone
or anything. So, when we have a group of young people like this, there are
bound to be tensions.
To resolve them, let us teach ourselves to be patient and to listen more.
When one person is angry, let everyone else listen to him fully, and
eventually we all get our word in.
Now, entities like "Organizations" are basically abstractions, in that they
do not exist as a physical entity, but they are nevertheless present.
Because people make up a group, and people differ in their characteristics,
always there will be some people who are ahead, some who are seniors, some
who are tirelessly working behind the lines, and some who feel that they are
neglected.
"Do the work, and think not about the reward"
If you are good, and you do good work, never think that it has gone
unnoticed. You will never be forgotten. Everywhere in life, whatever you do,
there will always be people who want to get more attention. We can define
principles, and we can tell people to follow them, but eventually, people
remain people and they have their own fallings.
So what should you do when you are faced with this situation?
1. You are the senior person, you feel threatened by the junior person who
is smarter than you.
- If you feel threatened, accept it.
- After accepting your mistake to yourself, overcome it
- Then, closing your fist tightly, and taking a deep breath, do the
right thing, and encourage him further.
Never feel threatened by brilliance, hard work or abilities of the new
comers or juniors. Feel proud that you are able to control your desires and
failings and able to do the right thing.
"Attempt to reach the sky, and someday you will definitely reach it"
2. If you are the junior person, and you feel that your senior is not
listening to you:
- Accept that you feel hurt
- Close your eyes and understand that you are doing this for your
country, and everybody counts here
- Keep doing the same thing, and never lose enthusiasm
Above all, remember that nobody however powerful can keep a good man down.
So, continue doing the thing you have to do, and eventually, you will get
the attention you deserve.
People have their failings, but everybody can be a hero, when he gives up,
and sacrifices his ego, so that someone else is not hurt, someone else feels
like part of the team, and someone else feels wanted.
"Tighten your fists, close your eyes, and continue doing the right thing, in
an objective manner"
Regards,
Vijay
satya
Really good points raised by Abhijit. I have given a mail with similar shades about the problems when the organization becomes big.
Now really is the time for policy making members to define all the rules,regulations conditions for the organization. LETS MAKE THIS A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION.
Now is hight time to allocate all the members with their responsibilities.
Right now I feel the structure is still not good to support the growth.
And most importantly even though the peopl joining have high idealogies are ture in spirit of serving the nation, their might be ppl thinking otherwise.
Lets decide upon a mechanism so that power will never make ppl arrogant and corrupt.
JaiHind
Satya
"|| bRaHmAiVa sAtYaM ||"
Abhijit K
Rohit Mishra
Ofcourse, the core set of 'rules' ( isnt the right word probably ), which are absolute and are basically the basic purpose of existance of BM, should be defined by the senior most members of the BM...
Jai Hind..
-Rohit
ramji
We all feel need for constitution or a clear guide book of rules which
we can follow and smoothly do things. Problem is that most of us
doesn't have experience in this direction and we are learning from our
experience in BM. Also making clear cut rules without hampering
creativity and progress is a tough job. If we want a really workable
constitution, It must have in built creativity and flexibility.
Now the real problem is : We are lacking enough expertise. We don't
want borrowed constitution and trendy conventional rules. We can't go
for something which are already failing. We can't go for something
which is not workable or will hamper our growth in future.
So let us experiment few things before going for constitution. BM
Management (which is highest body of decision making for BM at present)
is slowly but firmly working in this direction and fine tuning things.
As soon as we will get enough experience and expertise and get results
of our experiments, we will go for it. In brief, We don't want a
constitution as a rule book, It must have enough creativity and scope
to tackle any problem within or outside the organization.
Whenever BM will go for it, Let me assure you by my personal experience
It will be a open thing and everybody will get a chance to present
his/her views. Obviously, Draft will be made by 4-5 people (who will be
acceptable to all), but everybody will be free to give feedback on each
and every issue except MISSION VISION AND CORE IDOLOGY.
I think that you understand my points.
PS :: All views presented here are my personal views and not related
with any responsibility taken by me in past or at present.
Thank You
ram
> now. (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/files/Ideology/Core%20Ideology.mht
> ). However when people join BM, it is not practical to expect everyone
> agreeing on the core ideology and there may be differences. Many people
> join because they want a platform and they find BM's ideology and policies
> matching their priority goals in life.
>
> * People expect to get credit for their work and being praised (of course,
> not everyone, but I'm not commenting on what is good or bad, just stating
> facts that I think are obvious). They also expect this to get reflected in
> their roll in the organization getting better. There are also the other kind
> of people who want to get credit without doing work.
>
> * As protective parents do, founder members may tend to be protective about
> the organization (which is natural, almost everyone would be like that) and
> that may sometimes lead other members think that they are being
> sidelinedor not being listened to or they don't have a say in the
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> Dear Admin Team and All other BM Members, <br>(This mail is being sent to moderators, main yahoo group, google group, policy team, bm-fulltime, orkut groups and bm-mumbai, bm-panvel and <a href="http://www.bharatudaymission.org/forum" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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> www.bharatudaymission.org/forum</a> for better visibility. I'd request members to please discuss only on the googlegroup for better coordination). <br><br>BM has grown quite big now, both in size and structure. (please see note-1 in the end for details). Its really
> <span style="font-weight: bold;">pleasing to see that we are growing</span> and people are joining us and the number and diversity in the activities is also going up. However the growth comes with its side effects. Over the last few months, since I joined BM, I've observed and I am sure most of the members have also observed that we are
> <span style="font-weight: bold;">simultaneously suffering from issues that typically affect a coming up organization.
> </span><br><br>I'm enlisting a few issues which we should expect us to suffer from (and many of them have actually happened with BM, no point in enlisting them, since this mail is about the issues in general and not about specific instances)
> <br><br>* BM (so far) has been an organization of self-proclaimed intellectuals. Most of us are well educated people who believe that they are capable of creating a better India, however everyone feels that her way is better.
> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Clashes of ideologies and differences are unavoidable.
> </span><br><br>* We are all human beings, and likely to have egos. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Ego clashes</span> are going to happen between members. Though we aim to become egoless, as per our vision, lets accept the practical fact that it happens.
> <br><br>* Not everyone joining BM is joining with <span style="font-weight: bold;">self-less motives</span>. We should expect people with selfish motives, people for whom politics and power is the only aim, joining us.
> <br><br>* Its good to see that BM has a core <span style="font-weight: bold;">unchangeable ideology</span> defined now. (<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/files/Ideology/Core%20Ideology.mht" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/files/Ideology/Core%20Ideology.mht
> </a>). However when people join BM, it is not practical to expect everyone agreeing on the core ideology and there may be differences. Many people join because they want a platform and they find BM's ideology and policies matching their priority goals in life.
> <br><br>* People expect to get <span style="font-weight: bold;">credit for their work</span> and being praised (of course, not everyone, but I'm not commenting on what is good or bad, just stating facts that I think are obvious). They also expect this to get reflected in their roll in the organization getting better. There are also the other kind of people who want to get credit without doing work.
> <br><br>* As protective parents do, founder members may tend to be protective about the organization (which is natural, almost everyone would be like that) and that may sometimes lead other members think that they are
> <span style="font-weight: bold;">being sidelined</span> or not being listened to or they don't have a say in the organization.
> <br><br>* <span style="font-weight: bold;">Seniority</span> is a very subjective factor and lot of times senior members wish to have a bigger say. This may sometimes lead the comparatively junior members to feel neglected.
> <br><br>* <span style="font-weight: bold;">Procedures </span>and rules may get defined from time to time, but they do get <span style="font-weight: bold;">violated</span> also. Lack of a mechanism to handle the issues arising out of it, will cause members to feel cheated.
> <br><br>* For an online community like us, the <span style="font-weight: bold;">role of moderators</span> tends to become a superior one and as they say "power corrupts", moderators are also susceptible to make mistakes and try to become autocratic.
> <br>
> <br>* Typical of most of the online communities: nearly 80% members are totally inactive, rest 20% are online active and just around <span style="font-weight: bold;">10% doing active ground work</span>. People involved in the actual ground work and giving their time generally expect to have a better say in the organizational matters. A thing particular to BM is the
> <span style="font-weight: bold;">BM_Fulltime members.</span> The case of these members is similar to senior members + people involved in ground work.
> <br><br>*<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Lack of internal democracy and transparency</span> (which we will not have, according to the core ideology defined, however IMO we've not yet fully implemented it) is not good for any organization for obvious reasons.
> <br><br>* It is the <span style="font-weight: bold;">local chapters</span> which will be contributing most to the activity. Many of the chapters would expect certain kind of <span style="font-weight: bold;">autonomy</span>
> . <br><br>* We have and 'll have <span style="font-weight: bold;">members</span> joining us, who have <span style="font-weight: bold;">already been doing social work</span>. We'd certainly like lot of such people to join us and contribute with higher responsibiilty roles. Comparisons between them and existing senior members will be made and when
> <span style="font-weight: bold;">comparisons happen, issues arise.
> </span><br><br>* As a result of conflicts and unreset, <span style="font-weight: bold;">members leave</span> the organization.<br><br style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">
> To sum up, we'll certainly work all our lives and make India a great nation, but for that we need to ensure that we stay together and work together. </span><br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">The need for a constitution
> </span> (for the lack of a better word) arises from all these (and maybe more) issues which we either have suffered from or may suffer in future. We have bodies that create a structure but we lack the rules that will govern these bodies. We need a
> <span style="font-weight: bold;">set of guidelines which will govern all of us</span> in our behaviour as a group and rules for discipline among
> us.We are not a Very big organization yet (and we're experiencing many of the problems even now), but we should be prepared to handle the size right now, so that we avoid the pitfalls and if at all there arise issues, we have mechanisms to handle them.
> <br><br>If we are participating in a second freedom struggle of India, then <span style="font-weight: bold;">BM is like the erstwhile Indian National congress</span> which was a conglomeration of people with different ideologies, and in its early days it was nothing but a group of educated but motivated people. It had its own weaknesses, internal strife and often got partitioned and hence weakened lot of times. We should ensure that
> <span style="font-weight: bold;">we don't get weakened</span> that way.
> <br><br>Another important advantage of having a constitution is that it gives the organization <span style="font-weight: bold;">a formally defined shape</span>. So far we have a structure (and bm_fulltime seems to be working on evolving a better structure), but it lacks a central formal definition, rules and framework for future growth. Constitution is a solution.
> <br><br>I'm enlisting a few things which I think we <span style="font-weight: bold;">need to handle in the constitution.</span> I'm sure more issues will come up in due course of discussions.<br>* Roles and responsibilities of all members should be decided.
> <br>
> * Defining seniority and roles and privileges of senior members is needed. <br>* Role of BM_Fulltime members in the overall organization needs to be talked about.<br>* Responsibilities and powers of all central committees to be fixed.
> <br>* The issue of judging one's contribution is subjective and needs careful handling. <br>* Rules for actions of functionaries and defining their limitations is needed.<br>* Internal democracy needs to be established by providing for (direct or indirect) elections of functionaries, defining right of votes and eligibility.
> <br>* Mechanisms for handling unrest among members in a non-public-debate manner and resolving issues amicably should be there.<br>* Disciplinary rules for all members and providing for disciplinary action in (hopefully rare) unavoidable circumstances.
> <br>* Relationship between chapters and central team and responsibilities of chapters towards central team defined.<br><span style="font-weight: bold;">* All this should be put up in a document to be made public.</span><br>
> <br>Since I believe in the right of founder members to have a bigger say in giving BM a shape that they would have dreamed of, I would like to appeal to them to please take the initiative, setup a constituent body and help BM becoming even stronger. I'm sure all members of BM will extend their full cooperation in helping ourselves get it done.
> <br><br>Regards,<br>Abhijit K,<br>Moderator BM_Mumbai, Member: BM_PolicyResearch, BM_fulltime.<br><br>Note 1: (These are all my estimates) Total estimated number of members of BM:3000+ We also have made lot of bodies and are trying to give a structure to the organization, as was decided in the national convention last year. Various central bodies of BM: policy team, finance team, ground work team, propagation team, admin/moderation team, website team. Each of these teams has members ranging in numbers from 3 to perhaps around 20 (on policy team). Also, various chapters have (supposedly) corresponding teams and they are all growing. The number of chapters of BM is also growing and we've estimated around 37+ chapters now. The chapters are not limited to metros and big cities but are coming up in smaller places also.
> <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Abhijit K<br><a href="http://www.geocities.com/abhijit1303" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.geocities.com/abhijit1303</a><br><a href="http://www.bharatudaymission.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
> www.bharatudaymission.org</a><br><br>
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I would like to see a constitution too.
The right way would be to:
1. Create a constitution committe who prepares a draft
2. Draft is released for comments from members
3. Comments incorporated. Final draft prepared
4. Voting and acceptance of constitution.
We may not bypass any step. But the question is - Does BM management
want to have a constitution?
Shubham,
Mukesh Bansal
ramji
Process suggest by you is the standard process and BM as a organization
is bound to follow it. Also BM will make sure that everybody will get a
fair chance to express his/her Ideas.
>>But the question is - Does BM management
>>want to have a constitution?
Yeah! BM managemnt wants a constitution but it is not going for it due
to reasons decribed in my earlier mail. Surely, It will go for it but
only at the right time and when right people will be there. In brief,
We want our constitution to be drafted by only those who contributed
enough in BM and showed his ability of critical thinking and
creativity.
Our moderators are given responsibility to take care of all such posts
and They do it silently (and slowly :) ). Be sure that all the points
of this discussion will be taken into consideration at the time of
making constitution team and constitution itself. ( Moderators started
it recently this month.)
Thank You
ram
Thank You
ram
Amit
BM's Constitution should be framed, discussed and accepted at the
earliest and as the first priority so that it will help to resolve
issues and move further with our mission. It will help to sort out all
the issues raised by the author.
So long as constitution is not accepted issues will keep surfacing. It
is happening from the formation stage and will continue further.
Constitution will give an opportunity to be heard for both the parties
before the disciplinary commitee and the common issues will be solved
in amicable way rather than such issues taking personal stands.
The question is not limited to removal of certain person. Legally and
morally the person will be out as per the poll and the poll will solve
only this question. But the issue is not limited to double loyalities.
The other issues will remain unanswered and will surface again but the
person will be different next time to raise the same issues.
We are framing the rules as the issues arise, this will not help to
remove the cause. The best way to solve the issue is to hear both the
sides and then reach a decision this can be achieved only after the
consititution is accepted by the members of BM.
I think we should stop all other activities and all must concentrate
only on the consitution. It will help us to remain united on the issues
which are close to our heart and we have consensus, i.e. rise of a
great nation.
Jai Hind,
Amit Karande.
BhanuPrakash Singh
there is no transparency and clarity as to how far one
can go and to approach whom under
certain situations. bhanu
--- Amit <amit...@gmail.com> wrote:
Bhanuprakash Singh
Chief Mechanical Engineer
West Central Railway,Jabalpur
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