Reservation (part I)

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vivek claire

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Apr 29, 2006, 3:34:54 PM4/29/06
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Dear Friends
 
Before I will put my views in reservation discussion. I just want to put some questions data.
QUE 1 :- Do we know that how many SC/ST doctors are facing court cases for their bad treatment or for death of persons/ how many General Quota Doctors are facing court cases?

ANS: Hardly 2-5% SC/ST doctors are in court cases of total cases against doctors in whole india. How we can say that the persons belong from reserved category are less able or capable.

QUE 2 :- How many percentages of government employees are taking BRIBE of reserved category?

ANS: Major Corruption is because of General Category government employees. Any one can see real and non aletered DATA for this.

QUE 3 :- Before MANDAL COMMISSION, very few persons were Billionare in India, After MANDAL COMMISION, now few hundreds are Billionare in India. How many Billionare belong from reserved category?

ANS: Negligible.

QUE 4 :- How many students of reserved class are leaving india after their education? It is not matter of intelligence. It is matter of commitment to the nation. Elite institutes are funded by common people of india not by upper caste.

ANS: There are about 15 Lakh indian persons are in USA in which only about 1 Lakh are from reserved class (including the OBC class to which there is no reservation in IIT/ IIM/ IISc etc) other about 13 Lakhs are from most upper castes. Any one can go to the real data.

QUE 5 : OBC/ SC/ ST has more than 80% of total population, upper castes have only about 20% of the total population.
Reservation is not for lower castes reservation has been given to upper caste from independence. Upper caste should fill less than 20% places but upper castes were filling 80% places before MANDAL COMMISSION and after MANDAL it became 50%.

ANS: In USA for USA origin they have enough reservation.

It is a matter of thousand years exploitation. 
With next mail, i will start discuss from history on this issue.
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vivek 



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rupinder

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May 1, 2006, 9:23:44 AM5/1/06
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okk , lemme start with the population of "obc's"/sc/st's in india..
1)i would like to know tht whn the first time reservations were
introduced ws there nething like "obc's" mentioned ever...or even
existent during tht time. so how come we have obc's now. nd the %age of
obc's grows every yr becos the govt. includes more nd more castes into
it every yr. so its ridiculous to quote such data. aaj 52% hai toh agle
saal 62% ho jayegi. u'l get reservations for these too???? then wat
bout general category??? lagta hai last mein general category walon ko
reservation ki zaroorat pad jayegi.

2) as for the cases against reserved category doctors, the no. of cases
tht come to light are nt the only cases. just like u cannot go by the
govt. records of rape cases(cos there is a huge diff b/w the reported
nd the actual fig.s) u cannot simply agree to govt records jst for
putting ur point.

3)same for officials taking bribe. nd if u have the data plzz show it
to us.

4)coming to the billionaires data....if there are still negligible
reserved category pple in there then i account it to the failure of
both the mandal policy nd the reserved category pple cos they failed
to make use of the opportunity that they got.

5)where d'u think the general category pple are going to go when this
reservation policy comes into effect????? jab apne hi ghar mein kuch
nahi mil raha toh bahar toh jayenge hi na. most of them will go out. nd
uk has already proposed some lucrative offers to pple coming fr
education to their country. nd u cant gauge the commintment of pple jst
frm no. of pple who go out or not. moreover if the govt. wants to stop
the brain drain then they should provide better opportunities here
itself.

6)the obc's have come into existence only bcos of the political games
tht are played on castes. at the time of independence there were no
obc's as such. nd as i mentioned earlier today if obc's constitute 52 %
of the population then voh govt. ki meharbani hai.kal poore desh ko obc
bana dete hain. kaisa idea hai?????? fir na kisi ke liye koi
reservation rahega aur na hi yeh ladai.

nd plzz quote the sources of ur data too.

nd thousand yrs exploitation ws not done by todays generation. todays
generation is sensible enough to be humanistic nd not be discriminatory
towards others.
nd moreover if the system of reservation ws introduced to help these
people then after 58 yrs of independence this no. should have gone down
nd not increased. this shows the utter failure of the govt. nd its
policies to help these people. u should be criticising them nd nt the
people who are opposing reservation. u ask ur govt. to review their
policies. vy has this system of reservation failed even after so many
yrs???? whts the use of giving reservation to these pple in higher
education institutes(specifically iit's nd iim's) when they cant cope
with it. its really hard to undo the things tht they have learnt in the
past. its wastage of resources at the highest level of education. today
there is a preparatory course in iit's for these pple nd still many
dont do well.

it's best to help these people at the primary level of education(vy
dont u criticese the govt for the horrible state that their primary
schools are in????). the govt should improve the conditions of primary
nd secondary schools so that these pple can compete with others for
higher education.this will be fair enough fr all. nd if u talk bout the
coaching nd all reqd. then i sppse u know tht iit's syllabus has been
revamped nd most of the things are from ncert books.( vy dont u ask the
govt. to provide u with better teachers at the secondary school level
who can explain the concepts to the children??? the quality of teachers
today is worse). i dont think coaching is tht necessary then.nd there
are many pple who have cleard these examinations without ne coaching nd
with good results.

soo i hope u gt the msg. we are not against these people bt we want the
govt. to do its duty properly towards these people by improving their
level of primary education.

with regardas
rupinder singh

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