Can unhealhty people revive whole India and contribute effectively to the rise of a great nation?

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Ravi Kant Pathak

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Oct 31, 2007, 3:45:13 AM10/31/07
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Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Vandemaatram!
 
I am reaching you again with a question: "Can unhealhty people revive whole India and contribute effectively to the rise of a great nation?"
 
When I raise such question, I must admit, I am unhealhty. At the same time I fully realize that I am on a great misison: Uday of Bharat (Rise of India). 
 
" It is impossible for unhealhty people to win swaraj [self-rule]. Therefore we should no longer be guilty of the neglect of the health of our people" - Mahatma Gandhi, 1940, Implication of constructive work.
 
... and we must not forget that 'morals are closely linked with health. A perfectly moral person alone can achieve perfect health'.
 
Through internet thousands of people joined BM and many other like minded organization. However, most people, including me, I find are unhealthy; physically as well as spiritually.  We have no moral right to join any such organization of high ideals as BM, if we are not committed to its ideals and works. The primary reason for a large number of lethargic human mass in BM is their poor health. For instance, most people in the BM do not maintain their body-discipline,  live self-indulged lifestyle and most believe that purpose of their bodily existence is self-pleasure/comfort. We find it uncomfortable to check our consumption habits and self-pride attitudes. People with such a low consciousness possess no capacity to bring large scale changes in the massive and diverse country like India. This mail is not to dishearten a group or an individual but a humble reminder of the duty towards yourself; Self-purification. How many of consciously strive to overcome our own laziness and self-indulging tendencies and lust. I have not only experienced such habit within me, but also experimented on them. At many times, I have experinced a perfect health. and I am writing this based on my experiences only. when BM was initiated We envisioned of only few hundred whole hearted, selfless and disciplined soldiers in the misison. Today we are a junk of lethargic intellectuals. I strongly believe only merely through intellect one niether can achive a strong character nor can become a compassionate human being. But through self-restrained living and self-purification one can contribute efectively in every walk of life. BM expect atleast this from you. If you finf youself unfit to be in this great mission, you are humbly request to make yourself fit and contribute effectively to the nation building.
 
Although I am not advocating any 'ism' or 'sect' or so called religion' in worldly sense, I strongly recommend YOGA to be adopted by all well wisher of humanity in genrla and India in particular. But This should not be the end, rather it is a beginning of new emergence. We all have to emerge from our embodied self to the Universal Self. and That is the path for India's rise. We must dream to return our villages and make them a prefered place to live in all respect.
 
How many of you made serious attempt to overcome self-indulging attitude and contribute effectively in nation building? How many of you thought of contribute someway or the other; inferiority, insecurity and self-pride are killing Indian in every walk of life. Even in Mission like BM we are facing such a problems. NO one is forcing you to be in BM, but if you are here please maintian your dignity and do something. I seriously look forward to clean up the organization,not by the use of functionary authority, which in ignorance have been used in past for the same task, but simple moral force. If your conscience are clear of an eligible BM member pleaase come forward and contribute to the missionground work: Establishment of BM Centres on the ground.  but remember, try hard to attain good health and to an extent attain perfect health. THIS IS TIME FOR PRAYER AND SELF-REFLECTION!  jai hind!
WITH TRUTH
RAVI
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Vivek Umrao Glendenning

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Oct 31, 2007, 7:42:39 AM10/31/07
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Respected Brother Ravi,
Because you accept in your mail that you are not healthy thus I do not think that you should have written this philosophical mail.
Gandhi did not give us independence as individual. It was collective effort including physically unhealthy people.
Do you want to motivate me to leave BM by motivating indirectly?
May be many members of BM are healthier than you but they can not write emails philosophically. In my view, many members have been working much more than you for society (if they feed polio drops or clean roads or etc).
Why do you always try to dominate other members without doing anything? Try to be healthy in mind first yourself.
Why do you want to justify your limitations, conditionings by manipulating words of Gandhi?
love
vivek
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Kapil P More

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Nov 1, 2007, 12:00:44 PM11/1/07
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hi,
How have you concluded that others morals , conscience is weak and
yours
is high..what is your moral right to undermine others....
you say...

"If your conscience are clear of an eligible BM member pleaase come
forward
> and contribute to the missionground work: Establishment of BM Centres on the
> ground. "
arent you implying that those who will not contribute to

"missionground work: Establishment of BM Centres"
are not having good conscience....
first of all you gave u authority to start this "missionground work:
Establishment of BM Centres"
and ask all bm to join it....as far as i know there is a process ,
teams and constitution and
all to decide about what works bm takes on national level and local
chapters decide on
what they do on ground.....you can max ask your local chapter to go
ahead with that idea
and also make suggestion to your chapters NC represntative to see to
it that it is considered for
national level work...but you seem to be considering yourself abouve
all this process...normall
members of bm get frustrated when theier views/ideas/plans are
rejected in chapters and their
mails are moderated ...they are told process is imp.....
but you seem to have full access and to decide where bm should go
unilaterally...
why ...becuase you are from founding times.........do you truly belive
in democracy and
processes...you seem to be having a illusion that you are someone
great and others are
having low morals and weak consciousness...come out of your
illusions....dont think
that whatever you think is perfect and best and others need to follow
it.....learn to
believ that you may be wrong...that others might have better knowledge
and better
exp.....hence in a democracy decisions are to be taken by collective
intelligence....
no individual should dictate terms...


also regarding "missionground work: Establishment of BM Centres"

you ask bm to go ahead with such a big mission , ask for millions
without any ground exp...
in that mission you mentions about growing musli and give intellect
calculations about
how crores can be made........let me tell you ...you got all this
ideas from internet and
from various agricultural forums online....some yrs back i also was
fascinated by such
thinghs on the internet about aloe vera ..it seems very promising
venture for farmers
in dry land to to make lacs .....i did research and came up with a
plan ...same as you did ....
i went to my village with a thought that i have got some great
knowledge/innovation/plan to them
which i got exclusively thru internet which they could never have got
in village.....to my surprise
the villagers told me that they have already experimented it ...they
gave me ground details about
the suppliers and buyers and crop behaviour of aloe vera , so much
specific details which even
i could not gather from internet...and then they went on further to
say why they abandoned that
crop ....and also explained me that to actually make it success
certain thinghs need to be
done on govt level.....i was so pleasantly shocked to see how this
people with no access
to outside world had some much knowledge and exp ....Hats off to
them ....indian farmers
can never be under estimated...in fact i felt very belittled in front
of them.......from that day
on whenver i go to my village i listen to them and try to learn from
their life whatever i can...

same is the case with safed musli...if it was really that much profit
making why do you think the
farmers have ignored it....online in internet forums everythingh seems
green...ground realities are
diff....if you want to do it ...first do it personally in a small
piece of land ..show profits and then
you dont even have to ask anyone else to follow ...people will
follow...no need of millions of funds
and all......farmers will manage everythingh...dont underestimate
their management skill..their
experience and their enterpreneur skills.....they are far better than
the MBA's

introspect and get out of illusions...get on ground......you would
learn more....this is what i
feel for you....of course this is my personal opinion and again .i may
be wrong....
i appreciate your good will and good feelings for others...

regards
Kapil More


On Oct 31, 3:45 am, "Ravi Kant Pathak" <ravikantpat...@gmail.com>
wrote:


> Dear Brothers and Sisters,
> Vandemaatram!
>
> I am reaching you again with a question: "Can unhealhty people revive whole
> India and contribute effectively to the rise of a great nation?"
>
> When I raise such question, I must admit, I am unhealhty. At the same time I
> fully realize that I am on a great misison: Uday of Bharat (Rise of India).
>

> "* It is impossible for unhealhty people to win swaraj [self-rule].


> Therefore we should no longer be guilty of the neglect of the health of our

> people"* - Mahatma Gandhi, 1940, Implication of constructive work.
>
> ... and we must not forget that *'morals are closely linked with health. A
> perfectly moral person alone can achieve perfect health'*.

BhanuPrakash Singh

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Nov 12, 2007, 5:43:31 AM11/12/07
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Dear Vivek, Umrao and other brothers/sisters,
 We are pursuing a great ideal for our future.Only those of us who are fit physically and mentally will be able to contribute anything worth while. Don't get in to putting down others and trying to claim that  one is superior to other. Lets all put our might together. Even sick will make some contribution. So please lets focus on the  great mission and its goal.
 bhanu m
Bhanuprakash Singh, B.E.(Hons.),FIE(India)
Chief Mechanical Engineer(Retd.)
Indian Railways,
H 243,Bagmugalia Extension,Laharpur
Bhopal M.P.
Phone 0091755 2480886
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