Be Sensible.....
Dr. N.S. Reddy
Thank you for your kind suggestions. Every one in the world is Unique. Can't
you write in sensitive manner? if you are elder, good social worker, we
definitely need your help, but definitely not the way you are posting mails
here.
Just see the intensions of Dr. Ravi and others.. May be the routes are
different, our aims are same to see a developed Nation.
If you don't want recognition, why you keep so many affiliations and etc
after your name...
Mr. Vivek, after some time, Dr. Ravi can become a successful social worker
than you, but can you get a faculty position in IIT?.. So don't degrade some
one with your biased Ideas.
Dear Ravi.... Don't worry about Mr. Vivek mail. Go ahead. Your education,
exposure, and experience give you better place and recognition in the
society, which will help you to attain your goals.
Mr. Vivek questions on second mail are simply time waste....I am
appreciating your efforts and mind to donate to people. Go Ahead. U don't
need to think of these mails at all.
Take a few positive points from Mr. Vivek mail. You don't need to discuss
about your plans to Mr. Vivek, his mind set is different from you. No need
to be same also....
with best wishes and regards
Subba Reddy....
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> * Respected Dr. Ravi Kant Pathak Ji (it is not personal attack even it
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> TOPIC: Respected Dr. Ravi Kant Pathak Ji (it is not personal attack even
> it
> looks) (i apologize for harsh language)
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> == 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 4:02 am
> From: "Vivek Umrao Glendenning"
>
>
> Respected Dr. Ravi Kant Bhai Ji,
>
> Can I ask your age? You mentioned that you will become full timer at
> 2011-2012. Wow, I am fully impressed by your this long term.
> Brother I think you have not been serving society, just working for money
> or prestige or identity etc.
> If you are honest then can you reply me that what should be priority-- to
> work immediately for society (when it needs) or to work based on own
> planning.
>
> Brother, you have wasted your highest efficient years only in getting
> identities, money etc and when you will have less energy, you will start
> your contribution in society. I am impressed by your past and current
> decisions. I am also being motivated by your deep level of commitment and
> dedication for society.
> Can you inform me, where you invested your best years of life? To live in
> USA, to work for money, to get some universities degrees only.
>
> I think, you always search securities. You came India just for few months
> and you accepted General Secretary Ship of BM (under which truth and
> social or moral values), you can not live without illusions or identity or
> power game. Again you retuned back from India You will return to India
> after many months and you will join here as Prof in IIT, and also you are
> saying that you have started a center for Village Economy in India. Wow
> great.
>
> Dear Brother,
> As previous, I am saying again that first try to understand the real
> meaning of Truth, Commitment, Dedication and Spirit.
> These things can not be proved by writing mails in online groups or by
> giving parental properties (controlled by yourself or your own family).
> First prepare yourself and try to remove your internal psychological
> insecurities and identity complexes, and introspect yourself deeply
> without thinking that you have perfect understanding.
>
> In reality, I had to start to think that you are moving towards society or
> just to get your own egos.....
> I am not criticizing you. I am trying only to suggest better towards
> reality of society.
> First you should start to think that what should be greatness of a
> society. do not try to pull yourself. It is a very dangerous thing for
> society.
> Try to go in real society and try to learn from society. Society will tell
> you, what should be done or not. Try to be a very common man, very common
> man.
> If you are really want to work for Indian society then first go to various
> works in all over India (the works, for those you never got any
> information in English Media, In Internet or News Papers or Awards etc) to
> learn from them.
>
> I get, you are confused a lot, because you do not have your own "ANUBHAW".
> You always borrow "ANUBHAW" from others and feel that you are "ANUBHAWI"
> but because you borrow "ANUBHAW" thus these are not "ANUBHAW" for you
> these are only information to you. "ANUBHAW" is always your own and alive.
>
> You will have to decide that you will be rigid in your internal invisible
> egos or you will drop yourself in social learning processes. May be it
> will be very difficult to you because you spent your quality years in a
> very violent country (USA), who kills the old cultures and civilizations.
> And because you are being over in age of highest energetic years, you are
> interested to show lots of works without thinking with farsighted vision.
>
> BM members have trust on you, thus it is your biggest responsibility that
> you should be honest and should form a better tradition. But I feel that
> you have started to move in path of farsighted mistakes.
> You always use words without having understandings of these words. And
> people become impressed with the heavy words because you speak amongst
> intellectuals. I was surprised when I saw that you were using English.
> Please do not mind, I was feeling that you will have learn lots of things
> before you will start to work in real society.
>
> BM is still not an organization. It is still struggling for its existence.
> Why? any social organization always being formed gradually by society by
> learning by doing in reality. and BM was formed from air by virtual means.
> Sill it is moving in same things. It is very easy to form online groups of
> BM for each village (in place of each district as I get mails CC to
> hundreds of BM online groups), but all these things are virtual not real.
>
> To write emails with high philosophical words is very easy and also
> implement philosophies in closed systems are easy (as you are going to
> form a center in your own land by getting money from your rich friends, by
> using your parents, you are using a very closed system and also you do not
> need to be accountable for society within this system; by these things you
> can get awards as Magsaysay type and can enjoy life till your death but if
> you want to walk on truth then tell me where is truth)
>
> Brother, our society needs very very honest efforts towards social
> solution. If you are ready to introspect yourself. I offer to join hands
> together to work for social solution.
>
> If you will establish an ASHRAM by generating local support to establish
> it then it will be towards Village Economy. With initial outer support you
> can not move towards Village Economy even you will form a nice and
> beautiful ASHRAM.
>
> love
> vivek
> ps- I am saying these these things even I know that it is very difficult
> to you to change your mind set. You are making small slips but with bigger
> long term negative impacts.
>
>
>
> ......................
> Vivek Umrao
> coord...@localgovernance.org
> www.localgovernance.org/family.html
> (Committed to Last Person of Society with Social Governance)
>
> **** Former Researcher- Indian Institute of Management (IIM)
> * Coordinator-- Local Governance & Decentralized Economy Social Group
> * Coordinator for International Relation-- GOKUL University.
> * Vice Chairman-- Koya Wes Institute
> * Member-- Asha (www.ashanet.org)
> * Former Secretary-to-Trustee Secretary-- Gandhi Smarak Nidhi, Rajghat, ND
>
> ***WORK FIELDS ---
> Decentralized Economy, Social Democracy, Water Issues, Education, Human
> Values, Decentralized & Local Technology, Street Play, Tribal Solutions,
> Social Corporate systems, Alternative Writings.
>
>
>
>
> ==============================================================================
> TOPIC: Uniting and Rejunvenating BM
> http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/82c5b0087e6ac46d?hl=en
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>
> == 1 of 2 ==
> Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 4:52 am
> From: "Social Ownership"
>
>
> Respected Sh. Ravi Kant Pathak Bhai,
>>
>> I hope, you are in good health and are happy in your personal life end.
>> Nice to see your email after a long time. I read your mail and want to
>> raise
>> some questions. I think that Indian society needs very deep and dedicated
>> efforts with understanding of society and life. Here understanding does
>> not
>> mean bookish or airy things. I hope you will not have problems with my
>> questions.
>>
>> Why did you opt your own parents for your center? How do you decide that
>> the cost of your parental land is about one million Rs?
>> How do you feel that you should feel ownership on your parental property?
>> Did you earn it?
>> You have been living out side from India for last many years and you came
>> India for few months, you started some thing in your own land, in your
>> own
>> village under supervision of your own parents.
>> I can arrange you much bigger land (more than Rs One Million) in other
>> state from your own parental place, you can start there your center
>> there.
>> You lived in USA, what are the reasons to trust on your center to donate
>> money? I think you are totally confused- you came to India for few
>> months, in these months you visited IITs and other Elite Institutes to
>> deliver lectures and you spend some part of your time in construction in
>> your land by saying that it is a Social Center.
>> When you motivated society? When you participated in social issues of
>> common society? When you discussed with common society that what should
>> be
>> done and how?
>> Why are you demanding money from others and for what? Why do you see all
>> things just in money and currency?
>> Can you make India as a great nation by getting 5 Rs or teaching in IIT?
>> You have been living in USA for years and now you are going to become a
>> faculty in IIT Delhi. My brother, some time I feel that for you, India is
>> a
>> joke only.
>> Why do you need to be a Faculty of IIT? (I think only for Illusions to
>> avoid hard path in life).
>> If you will say that it is because you need some money for your
>> livelihood, then why are you not interested to be a faculty in any small
>> engineering college near to your center (you will be able to contribute
>> in
>> your center in a real sense). Do you think that from the Capital of
>> India, and by using Illusions of IIT etc to capture the political power
>> will
>> be easy? If you think it, then you are in confusion and also in two
>> opposite
>> banks in the same time.
>>
>> You are talking for Village Economy and also you are
>> demanding currency and money. These are the contradictions and indicate
>> that
>> you lack the understandings.
>> My brother by these things you can not move towards greatness of any
>> society. Dear Nation is a political system and the Theory and Word
>> "Nation"
>> was initiated by British Colonial Systems.
>> I think you are in very much hurry just to show that you are doing this
>> or
>> that. Please be serious and be honest for common society.
>>
>> One more thing, Village is not a complete unit (think it seriously). One
>> more thing, please try to discuss with your own understandings, do not
>> use other's things I.e. Gandhi told this or one told this or that.
>> I would like to discuss on the ground of your own understandings.
>>
>> Do you think that society or social movements can be initiated by
>> lighting
>> candles in Delhi by calling people with payment and then by sending
>> emails?
>>
>> Please do not mind my email.
>> I know where are you moving in mistakes. I know that society lacks
>> dedicated and conceptual personalities. I want to suggest you even you
>> will
>> become angry and will start to abuse me directly or indirectly. But you
>> should introspect by these and more questions. You have no right to
>> continue
>> the things by these the trust of society was misused and is being
>> exploited.
>> What are you writing, these are good to get awards as Magsaysay and enjoy
>> the life but these have lesser relation towards social solution.
>>
>> If you are interested deep discussion, I am ready for it.
>> love
>> vivek
>> ps- first try to remove your internal insecurity complexes. (think on
>> this
>> suggestion seriously without being reactive)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ravi Kant Pathak <ravikan...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:14 AM
>> *To:* BM_dis...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [BM_discussion] Uniting and Rejunvenating BM
>>
>> Dear Brothers and Sisters,
>> vandemaatram!
>>
>> Once upon a time I was member of BM_USA chapter. then I moved to India
>> in
>> January 2007. However, I am in Hong Kong right now and I will back in
>> India
>> next year. I will be serving IIT Delhi as Asst. Professor. In last nine
>> months, I was touring India (for first five months) and trying to
>> initiate
>> the first BM centre in my own village. This centre (ashram) will
>> ceaselessly
>> work for the rise of that village. I strongly believe that without
>> reviving
>> our village economy, India can not become a great nation again. recently
>> there were many articles about it posted by our members on the group.
>>
>> Is that enough? we talk about freedom fighters, farmers coming suicide
>> etc. what we do?? Nothing!! In our daily routine life inertia pulls us
>> back
>> from actions. at the end of the day, if we find time to read an article
>> about our country , we feel charged up and we feel we have contributed to
>> the country by loving it. we all love our country. we feel so much
>> emotional, then what we do?? please go through a self-analysis. what
>> stops
>> us??
>>
>> Let us rejuvenate ourselves and contribute everyday. I urge all BM
>> members to do something everyday for our motherland India. Please do
>> something to spread the nationalism around you. we need people to save
>> this
>> great nation. how many of us are saving atleast Rs.5/day for India? how
>> many of us search like minded people every day around us? we an army of
>> patriots under the umbrella of bharat Uday Mission, do we do anything
>> worth
>> to this great nation. when I say so I am not talking in air. I possess
>> passion for my country, and eventually i am ready to give my entire life
>> for
>> my motherland, but I need people to support my path; morally/spiritually,
>> physically and economically. If we want to achieve goals we set before
>> us,
>> we need to go every village and study their problems and find solutions
>> for
>> them. for that we shall need initially huge infrastruture to create
>> self-sustianing centres in the village. to do so, we shall need financial
>> contributions from each one of us. Here I am talking about at least a
>> million dollar budget. how should we go ahead. who will donate? what
>> righteous means means we shall have to earn that amount of money? and how
>> long it will take?
>> This is time to make commitment and strive to fulfill them; this time to
>> be generous and courageous to take decisions to contribute to the nation.
>>
>> I pledge for the followings:
>>
>> 1) I commit to donate one million Rs. for the cause ( I will donate
>> equivant worth land to establish these centre). Infact I have already
>> initiated the work). My parents are working day and night to establish
>> the
>> centre (karmayogi ashram). I have already invested quater million Rs. in
>> the
>> ashram.
>>
>> 2) I commit to strive day and night to approach people who can donate for
>> establishing these centres in different village. I will approach local
>> industialists, Govt. organization, non-govt. organizations in this nation
>> building projects. everyone should be involved; thus only we cna create
>> an
>> environment/atmosphere of national service. if you want more information
>> about these projects please write me.
>>
>> 3) I will physically work in the construction of these centre. I will
>> lead
>> the ideological team of this project and I pledge to work as a manual
>> laborer in this nation building mission.
>>
>> 4) I take responsibility of every penny donated for the mission and all
>> finacial integrety will be maintianed.
>>
>> 5) I will start a BM hong kong chapter soon and unite Indians here.
>> 6) I will also pray GOD to help us our BM endeavors!!
>>
>>
>> what is expected from BM India:
>>
>> 1) at least 50 members who can donate Rs. 25000for the cause
>> 2) atleast 100 member who can donate Rs.$11000 for the cause
>> 3) atleast 1000 members who can donate atleast Rs.$ 1000 for the cause
>> 4) atleast 5 members who can give their time and idea in the development
>> of these centres.
>> 5) Few members to find time to come India and take up some responsibility
>> of development
>>
>> Please search your heart and if you find purity and appeal in the above
>> mail please act!
>> let get rechagre for the work and let us do something worht in our lives.
>> jai hind!
>>
>> satyamev jayate!!
>> Ravi kant
>>
>> HONG KONG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ......................
>> Vivek Umrao
>> coord...@localgovernance.org
>> www.localgovernance.org/family.html
>> (Committed to Last Person of Society with Social Governance)
>>
>> **** Former Researcher- Indian Institute of Management (IIM)
>> * Coordinator-- Local Governance & Decentralized Economy Social Group
>> * Coordinator for International Relation-- GOKUL University.
>> * Vice Chairman-- Koya Wes Institute
>> * Member-- Asha (www.ashanet.org)
>> * Former Secretary-to-Trustee Secretary-- Gandhi Smarak Nidhi, Rajghat,
>> ND
>>
>> ***WORK FIELDS ---
>> Decentralized Economy, Social Democracy, Water Issues, Education, Human
>> Values, Decentralized & Local Technology, Street Play, Tribal Solutions,
>> Social Corporate systems, Alternative Writings.
>>
>
>
>
>
> == 2 of 2 ==
> Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 11:16 am
> From: "Surendran B"
>
>
> With all respect to Mr.Vivek, I would like to answer a few issues that he
> has raised in his reply to the mail from Shri. Ravi Kant. The purpose of
> this mail is not to defend anyone but to answer the issues from the
> perspective of a member of BM. Being a member I feel that the allegations
> (if I may use that term) made by Mr.Vivek can well be applied to anybody
> in
> the organization and not directed to one person alone.
>
> The foremost issue pointed out by Mr.Vivek is that people are wasting
> their
> most efficient years in acquiring identities rather than doing
> contributions. A number of great leaders of India, particularly during
> freedom struggle, gave their heart and soul and some gave even their lives
> for the sake of the country and post independence some of them continued
> to
> work for the survival of India as a democracy and they did succeed. I
> think
> I need not mention any particular names. The point I like to make here is
> most of these leaders did spend their most productive years in acquiring
> the
> same identities. I might sound crude but it is a fact that the economic
> security(as they belonged to well off families) they had did play a role
> in
> their decision to renounce everything and commit themselves fully for the
> cause of the society. They did not have any prior experience in the
> field.
> I do not intend to compare the members of BM to those great human beings
> but
> I would like to point out that acquiring professional identities from an
> institution outside the country need not always stand in the way of the
> commitment of a person to contribute for the sake of the country. I will
> not
> wishfully discount the fact that there were leaders, who came from humble
> backgrounds, suffered a lot and rose up to great levels purely through
> their
> hard work and commitment. The point I like to make here I that a
> successful
> and committed person can emerge from any section of the society and what
> is
> need is the right spirit.
>
> I don't want to sound like a Marxist but I would like to raise a basic
> question. When the daily bread is in question, where will one get the
> strength to rise up and fight for the cause of the society? And to that
> effect what is wrong in one working towards acquiring a professional
> identity for the self.
>
> If acquiring/possessing identity is not a big deal can Mr.Vivek please
> explain to all why the following message is being appended to all the
> mails.
>
>
> *Vivek Umrao
> coord...@localgovernance.org
> www.localgovernance.org/family.html
> (Committed to Last Person of Society with Social Governance)*
>
> * *
>
> ***** Former Researcher- Indian Institute of Management (IIM)
> * Coordinator-- Local Governance & Decentralized Economy Social Group
> * Coordinator for **International** **Relation--** **GOKUL**
> **University**.
> * Vice Chairman-- Koya Wes Institute
> * Member-- Asha (www.ashanet.org)
> * Former Secretary-to-Trustee Secretary-- Gandhi Smarak Nidhi,
> **Rajghat**,
> **ND***
>
> * *
>
> ****WORK FIELDS ---
> Decentralized Economy, Social Democracy, Water Issues, Education, Human
> Values, Decentralized & Local Technology, Street Play, Tribal Solutions,
> Social Corporate systems, Alternative Writings.*
>
>
>
> "Any social organization is gradually formed by the society."
> Most of the successful social organizations of the past, I believe, were
> initiated by the educated youth, who had an alternate identity for
> themselves and it slowly progressed towards the common man in due course
> of
> time. If social organizations can be successful in that way, why
> shouldn't
> BM succeed in the same way? There may be/ are initial teething problems
> which nobody is going to deny but why shouldn't they be resolved?
>
>
> It is true that people who are a part of BM do belong to
> diverse
> backgrounds and may be striving to acquire a professional identity for
> themselves. But we are bound together by only common idea of working for
> the betterment of the society and realizing the dream of a developed
> India.
> The processes we adopt towards the goals may be error ridden but that in
> no
> way is an indication of shortness of commitment or dedication. When
> somebody becomes the full-time member after a few years, at that time
> there
> would be more fresh members who are striving to acquire for an identity
> for
> themselves and at the same time get associated with BM and the process is
> continuous.
>
>
> IF IDEAS CAN BE HELD AS THE FOUNDATION TO WHAT EVER MANKIND HAS ACHIEVED
> THEN THE IDEAS WE HAVE CONCEIVED IN BM WILL TAKE US IN THE RIGHT PATH
> TOWARDS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE WE
> OVERCOME
> THE PROBLEMS.
>
>
> Jai hind
>
> surendran
>
> PS: I am neither a academic/scholar nor an experienced writer but I have
> tried my level best to put my ideas into words so that it could convey the
> message what I wanted to.
>
>
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Social Ownership
Dear Ravi Bhai, you have been talking for Truth and highly philosophical mails, at least i should know that how much have you real understanding of these things.
If you are really honest for society, then we will have to work together. I want to evaluate you and your depth in real sense to stand together with you.
I hope, you will not follow a very high efficient advice of Dr Reddy that you should be a competitor with other Social Activists (i am scared too much by you, oohoo i am feeling cold due to fear from your future activities, please save me, protect me please).
I am fully impressed with your advisers.
I think you should be honest and should walk in whole India to learn from common society of India. This teaching will be better than Dr Reddy's teaching.
love
vivek
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Social Ownership
Still all of you are interested in personal things to Dr Ravi but not replying basic questions. Suppose, Dr Ravi has very good knowledge in chemistry or in his academic subjects but what that knowledge will be benefited to common society? suppose you are very good manager to run a commercial and money oriented company then how can you say that you have understanding of common indian society. may be you are working in the systems from where the common man is being exploited for many decades.
these all are basic questions and basic discussions.
if bm is moving in right path then why gopal, one of the main founders has left bm by saying that bm has lost its direction.
should i think that dr ravi wants to use bm or his own mindset?
why should i accept a more ashram of dr ravi? there are hundreds of very good ashrams in india, why one more new ashram of dr ravi.
if dr ravi is working on gandhian ideology then why he does not want to live in Sabarmati Ashram (an ashram formed by Gandhi, why does he not want to contribute there?)
Why should common social activist accept leadership of USA return or IITians or IIMians or other elite institutes? only because they have control on all media and communication systems and also have control in money. (think about it).
Indian society has seen the impacts of these type of guys, they always impose themselves without having real understanding of India.
I am writing him email only because he writes and speaks as he knows the truth and he walks on truth.
If he use words Truth, Great etc then he should be ready to reply on basic questions.
I am not attacking him personally, i just want to ask him that if he knows truth and walks on truth then he should reply my basic questions on his past life and present life.
Why he is going to join IIT? does IIT professorship has relation with village economy and common society development, if yes then how? why he has problem to accept that he will join it to use the tendency of indians on illusions?
just want to know that how much he can walk on truth in reality above than email writings or using philosophical words.
Respected Dr Reddy,
Knowledge and Understanding and Commitments have no relation with college degrees (these are time pass only, because one does not know what should be done thus these degrees are being collected) and professorships of IITs, IIMs, IIITs etc and also with any award.
I hope, my questions to Dr Ravi, should be taken in right way. Just to praise Dr Ravi, i do not think that Respected Dr Reddy or Respected Dr Kamal should start to walk on same path in which i am walking (i mean, if i am stupid then why you guys should become stupid).
Respected Dr. Ravi,
I will ask these basic questions forever. (i have been evaluating that indian society is damaged a lot by these type of thins, i will try my best to protect more causes of damages, even you will feel angry on me).
I apologize for my bad things, i am not professor in IIT, i am a very common man of india and thus is habitual to react as common exploited indian. When i will become a professor in IIT then i will try to learn manner.
I hope IIT should start to teach to manner to common dirty indians may be indians will start to follow USA ship under manner's banners.
keep it up.
love
vivek
Dear Vivek,I can say for sure that with the limited understanding one can get from a few mail exchanges, you have a clear and insufficient understanding of the personality of Ravi or Dr. Reddy and thus as a mature social worker you should not comment like you have done (I would rather call it direct and unnecessary attack), it is in very bad taste and does not yield any whatsoever positive result.I think rather than spending valuable time in such unnecessary and non-value adding replies you focus on your social work and let people learn from their experiences and failures in treading a similar path. If you have some advice please post in private.Regards.Dr.Kamal
Ranjan Singh
Learn something from Vivekanada. You are not eligible for social service unless you are a Sanyasi and your heart is pure.
There is one Mr. Ravi who needs million doller contribution to start the social service venture. There is one Mr Vivek, who is so mature a social worker that he cant even appreciate the good intentions.
Search your soul guys. There are thousands of social activists and workers. Have they brought any change. All we need to is to change ourself. Even the good work gets poisoned with our ego.
While I am writing this I am aware that its giving my ego a lot of pleasure. Its as if I am above all this.
You see how our ego works.
Surendran B
Not only you Vivek ji even I am not
able to control my laughter, upon seeing the changes you have made to the long
appendix that you have been sending with all your mails
When you needed all those
identities and securities behind you to impose your views and make them look
more legitimate and acceptable to others, I wonder what makes you go averse towards
people who are also trying to gain that security, though on a different paradigm. This recent act of yours in
itself stands as a testimony to the fact that you had also been soliciting these
kinds of securities in your life.
Hats off to you on your decision to
kick the lucrative opportunities that came your way and choose the most
insecure and hardest path available and you took to social activism. Now what if I criticize you as having wasted the
opportunity to gain even deeper knowledge from some of the world's best institutions
and employ them in the process of development that you have undertaken. By choosing this path of yours, avoiding the
good institutions, you are still trying to bring about development using old
methods and practices and you have lost the technical advantage to some
extent. You may argue that you can
always employ people who know the technology better and use them in your social
activism but one has to note that those technically knowledgeable people still
has to come from the same institution which you have once renounced.
Gaining more and more academic
knowledge from the premier institutes and by working with some of the
successful companies of the world, would in-fact deepen the level of
understanding one has towards anything and not erode away one's ability to
understand the common man's problems. In
fact, when getting to work for the common man, this knowledge will be of very
great help in bringing about a meaningful change.
Why the chemistry knowledge shouldn't be used in devising a method to bring back the lost fertility of soil due to improper irrigation and the resultant salinity?? Why the knowledge not be used in imparting ideas about different agricultural practices which are being followed in other parts of the world, successfully?? Why the engineering skills of a person shouldn't be used to formulate a better irrigation system where by it doesn't lead to further salinity??? Why shouldn't the management skills possessed by one, be passed on to SHGs and make them more efficient in whatever they do?? Why the knowledge shouldn't be used in making people aware of their rights and the various schemes and policies of the Government???
Wonder what drives Vivekji in
trying to straitjacket everybody into his way of thinking and to certify the capabilities,
capacities, honesty and commitment of others.
If you feel that you are a better social activist than most of the people in this organization, we would be very glad to see you progressing in your own way and bringing about development and if possible we too would contribute in our own way because our ultimate dream is always and only the development of this nation.
If you feel that we are working to get recognition from the
international community by way of awards and rewards, I pray God that your work
is also aptly recognized by the Nobel Committee and rewarded and we won't be really
surprised to see you turn down that also and strive hard to bring development.
Finally I would like to cite the same point you had stressed
but interpret in a slightly different way.
Knowledge and Understanding and Commitments have no relation with college degrees (these are time pass only, because one does not know what should be done thus these degrees are being collected) and professorships of IITs, IIMs, IIITs etc and also with any award. We would thus first try to expand our knowledge and deepen our understanding before committing ourselves totally for the cause of the nation and if that is what is troubling you, I would like to put a simple question. From your mails I develop an understanding that the knowledge gained out of IIT s IIM s and other such institutions and by working with leading people, do not have any relation in working for the cause of up-liftment. If that is what you are meaning then there would not have been a Grammen bank to this world (of course it's not in India but every other developing nation is trying to copy it), and for that matter most of the architects of free India belonged to that group only. If you would further like to argue that they were not successful in bring about the projected development by means of their policies, I would rather say they started experimenting things as there was not a tested model at their time and learning from their experience, we would like to consolidate things to bring about development.
Vivek Umrao Glendenning
Learn something from Vivekanada. You are not eligible for social service unless you are a Sanyasi and your heart is pure.
There is one Mr. Ravi who needs million doller contribution to start the social service venture. There is one Mr Vivek, who is so mature a social worker that he cant even appreciate the good intentions.
Search your soul guys. There are thousands of social activists and workers. Have they brought any change. All we need to is to change ourself. Even the good work gets poisoned with our ego.
While I am writing this I am aware that its giving my ego a lot of pleasure. Its as if I am above all this.
You see how our ego works.
Dear Kamal Bhai,Only one thing-- Personality does not become by degrees or by the jobs for money.It is not attack. These are simple questions.May be Dr Reddy and Dr Ravi have very high personality, but i want to know their contributions in common society of India till now.These are not personal attacks, these are very fundamental questions.May be you want to enjoy high philosophical words, but i want to know about works and actions.You are in the same status, you are doing a job for money, can i ask why? When you will be secure a lot, you will start to use that illusions and securities in the name of poor indian society.
Can you or Dr Reddy or Dr Ravi can tell me (by all of high personalities) that how by an Ashram Dr Ravi can initiate Village Economy by taking outer fund to start village economy? How many villagers or villages are able to get outer Funds? And why you or Dr Reddy and other high personalities will not give their money to non-personality or Non IIT professors or Non NRIs, i.e. last man of india.
Still all of you are interested in personal things to Dr Ravi but not replying basic questions. Suppose, Dr Ravi has very good knowledge in chemistry or in his academic subjects but what that knowledge will be benefited to common society? suppose you are very good manager to run a commercial and money oriented company then how can you say that you have understanding of common indian society. may be you are working in the systems from where the common man is being exploited for many decades.
these all are basic questions and basic discussions.
if bm is moving in right path then why gopal, one of the main founders has left bm by saying that bm has lost its direction.
should i think that dr ravi wants to use bm or his own mindset?
why should i accept a more ashram of dr ravi? there are hundreds of very good ashrams in india, why one more new ashram of dr ravi.
if dr ravi is working on gandhian ideology then why he does not want to live in Sabarmati Ashram (an ashram formed by Gandhi, why does he not want to contribute there?)
Why should common social activist accept leadership of USA return or IITians or IIMians or other elite institutes? only because they have control on all media and communication systems and also have control in money. (think about it).
Indian society has seen the impacts of these type of guys, they always impose themselves without having real understanding of India.
I am writing him email only because he writes and speaks as he knows the truth and he walks on truth.
If he use words Truth, Great etc then he should be ready to reply on basic questions.
I am not attacking him personally, i just want to ask him that if he knows truth and walks on truth then he should reply my basic questions on his past life and present life.
Why he is going to join IIT? does IIT professorship has relation with village economy and common society development, if yes then how? why he has problem to accept that he will join it to use the tendency of indians on illusions?
just want to know that how much he can walk on truth in reality above than email writings or using philosophical words.
Respected Dr Reddy,
Knowledge and Understanding and Commitments have no relation with college degrees (these are time pass only, because one does not know, what should be done thus these degrees are being collected) and professorships of IITs, IIMs, IIITs etc and also any award.
I hope, my questions to Dr Ravi, should be taken in right way. Just to praise Dr Ravi, i do not think that Respected Dr Reddy or Respected Dr Kamal should start to walk on same path in which i am walking (i mean, if i am stupid then why you guys should become stupid).
Respected Dr. Ravi,
I will ask these basic questions forever. (i have been evaluating that indian society is damaged a lot by these type of thins, i will try my best to protect more causes of damages, even you will feel angry on me).
I apologize for my bad things, i am not professor in IIT, i am a very common man of india and thus is habitual to react as common exploited indian. When i will become a professor in IIT then i will try to learn manner.
I hope IIT should start to teach to manner to common dirty indians, may be indians will start to follow USA ship under manner's banners.
keep it up.
love
vivek
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