[Zurich Calling] Prospects of Students joining MTEC course at ETH

[Abhinav Kalyan]

Hi All,
I got an admit for the MTEC program at ETH and would like to find out
from other members of the group about the prospects upon completion of
the course. I know that ETH is a very good place to study and the
Dept. has some very good professors, but all said, I would also want
to know the possible career options I would have upon completion of
the course.

I had actually made up my mind, but with the new debt crisis in Europe
unfolding, the chances of another recession hitting Europe is in high
probability. Also, people sitting in India do not seem to know a lot
about ETH and MTEC (unfortunately) :( coz of which, I am really not
sure if getting back to India for a job would be a right option.

Any other 'desi' joining the MTEC course this year ?

And, the other members of the group already in the MTEC program, could
you please help me understand the other options after ETH ?

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[singh ji]

US main kya guarantee hai Dost?

[Parit Bansal]

Definitely u should not compare it with US because in US u get a permit to stay after ur masters is over so that u can look for a job but that is not true for switzerland. So, there may not be a guarantee in US but a better chance of course.

I am not from MTEC but some of my friends are and the problem with MTEC is that most of the students wants to be consultants after MTEC and there are companies like BOSCH, Boston Consultancy and others offering jobs in MTEC but if u dont know german u r out straight away. So, that leaves u with banks or other sector companies .. may be someone else could better throw light on it but dont consider consultant jobs here because they wont offer u those.

- Parit

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Parit Bansal
Masters Student
Computational Biology and Bioinformatics
Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
Zurich, Switzerland

[quarkLore]

To put things in perspective the students in MTEC are also doing
internships in big companies like Hilti and UBS among others, so do
not be bothered too much. Yes language barrier would be there but only
if the job requires knowledge of German. As the course itself is knew
we do not know of many senior students who did this degree.

So if you are willing to take a risk do come over. If you are not
willing to take the (calculated) risk, to handle so many uncertainties
in your life then I would recommend you look for degrees in US.

There is no point in wondering about recession etc beyond a certain
point. I mean speculation in such matter leads to no where, with such
pessimistic speculation at best you can make a disaster movie, 2012 :D

On May 6, 2:55 pm, Parit Bansal <parit.ban...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Definitely u should not compare it with US because in US u get a permit to
> stay after ur masters is over so that u can look for a job but that is not
> true for switzerland. So, there may not be a guarantee in US but a better
> chance of course.
>
> I am not from MTEC but some of my friends are and the problem with MTEC is
> that most of the students wants to be consultants after MTEC and there are
> companies like BOSCH, Boston Consultancy and others offering jobs in MTEC
> but if u dont know german u r out straight away. So, that leaves u with
> banks or other sector companies .. may be someone else could better throw
> light on it but dont consider consultant jobs here because they wont offer u
> those.
>
> - Parit
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:11 PM, singh ji <singhji0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > US main kya guarantee hai Dost?
>

[Kapil Barve]

Hi All,

 

I am studying in ETH, MTEC department. Last to last year there were 2 students from India in MTEC department. Last year we were around 6-7 students from India (not all coming from India). And in the last semester two more joined.

 

So till now only two students have graduated from MTEC one is working in Germany and other was working here in Zurich then left for India. Almost all of us have got internship here. Besides that in other departments also Indian Students are studying but most of them are PhD. Only in last 2 years students from India have started coming for masters program. So we don't have much data about jobs and all.

 

I understand that job prospects etc are important once you decide to study abroad. But it is not the only criteria. If you compare Zurich with US then definitely:

* Language barrier is not there in US

* Government policies are more open in US

Hence, Go US.

 

But most of us chose ETH:

* Masters program are great here

* ETH is reputated and well known

* Research prospects are amazing

* Tuition fee is so low for such an amazing quality of education. Hence no burden of loan to pay back

 

For most of us (who joined ETH) job prospect etc were a discussion point but not the sole criteria. We were and are happy to go back. So if you are too concerend about it then think and decide. No one I mean no one can give you a gurantee or consolation about it.

 

We created this forum to discuss relevant things and to help students here and students coming from India. So please do not discuss and push half baked theories and opinions on recession, Greek's economic state etc. Let this job be done by IMF, EU, World Bank experts. They are more eligible and capable of handling such matters.

 

I believe that our lives are beyond the job. It is disappointing to see thread reaching to  'Jai Hind' over this matter. We sincerely request you to discuss relevant things so that we can help you with your queries.

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Regards,
Kapil Barve

[Abhinav Kalyan]

Hi Kapil,

My intention was to know the various options available for an MTEC
student. As you rightly said, job is ONE of the things that one should
thing about before enrolling in a course. I thought that I could get
an all round opinion about the job situation in Europe from people who
are already in the MTEC course. That was the sole intention behind me
starting this thread. I was trying to put forward a genuine concern of
mine and was not trying to put start any new theories of mine about
Europe. If future prospects are not to be discussed in this forum, so
be it.

Thank you for the information.

On May 6, 6:27 pm, Kapil Barve <kapil.ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am studying in ETH, MTEC department. Last to last year there were 2
> students from India in MTEC department. Last year we were around 6-7
> students from India (not all coming from India). And in the last semester
> two more joined.
>
> So till now only two students have graduated from MTEC one is working in
> Germany and other was working here in Zurich then left for India. Almost all
> of us have got internship here. Besides that in other departments also
> Indian Students are studying but most of them are PhD. Only in last 2 years
> students from India have started coming for masters program. So we don't
> have much data about jobs and all.
>
> I understand that job prospects etc are important once you decide to study

> abroad. But it is not the *only* criteria. If you compare Zurich with US

> then definitely:
> * Language barrier is not there in US
> * Government policies are more open in US
> Hence, Go US.
>
> But most of us chose ETH:
> * Masters program are great here
> * ETH is reputated and well known
> * Research prospects are amazing
> * Tuition fee is so low for such an amazing quality of education. Hence no
> burden of loan to pay back
>
> For most of us (who joined ETH) job prospect etc were a discussion point but
> not the sole criteria. We were and are happy to go back. So if you are too
> concerend about it then think and decide. No one I mean no one can give you
> a gurantee or consolation about it.
>
> We created this forum to discuss relevant things and to help students here
> and students coming from India. So please do not discuss and push half baked
> theories and opinions on recession, Greek's economic state etc. Let this job

> be done by *IMF, EU, World Bank *experts. They are more eligible and capable

[Kapil Barve]

First of all my reply was to whole group. It was for everyone to not to reach to the panic level for just one issue.

Secondly I gave you all the info what we have. If you need some more info/details then you are welcome !

[Abhinav Kalyan]

@Kapil, Quarklord and Parit: Thank you all for providing me with the
information.

@Kapil: I do understand your concern that this whole issue about
economies might create unnecessary panic.

On May 6, 7:55 pm, Kapil Barve <kapil.ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First of all my reply was to whole group. It was for everyone to not to
> reach to the panic level for just one issue.
> Secondly I gave you all the info what we have. If you need some more
> info/details then you are welcome !
>

[nitesh jain]

oh yea.....I am really shattered.......I gues I should not join ETH :P..

......Chill pple...its like disussing how would  the future wife would look like ...whether she wud remain faithful etc........in life,  Career and Wife are the two most unpredictable things..so just relax and listen to your heart..because thats one thing that cannot lie (nor is affected by the proverbial recession) :).....

[quarkLore]

One has to realize this is a public forum and either one should
discuss objective facts or balanced, informed "opinions" (discussing
your experiences is something different & acceptable). Please take a
note that whatever you post here persists for quite a while and it
gives wrong impression to other new comers. When any claims are made
they should be put in perspective. To pick a random example take a
small sentence such as "there are language issues in Switzerland". One
should add perspective to it like "though people are polite and switch
to English and all of my study work is done in English however many
companies require German speaking people for their work". This last
sentence explains quite a lot about the aforementioned language issue.

My disappointment was with the European economic analysis on the
forum. I am OK for casual talk, humor and jokes on this forum but
stuff like possible European recession etc. discourages other students
to apply. Already not many people apply here in Switzerland because
they do not have any information about the place and University, what
would happen if they get _unverified opinions_ (I would not say the
predictions are wrong). If you have a news article which can support
the opinion then great post that instead of simplistic claims.

And as two great people, Paulo Coelho and Nitesh Jain have said:
"follow your heart" but what Paulo didn't know is this piece of
wisdom: Career and Wife both are two unpredictable *things* :P

On May 6, 5:37 pm, nitesh jain <nits...@gmail.com> wrote:
> oh yea.....I am really shattered.......I gues I should not join ETH :P..
>
> ......Chill pple...its like disussing how would  the future wife would look
> like ...whether she wud remain faithful etc........in life,  Career and Wife
> are the two most unpredictable things..so just relax and listen to your
> heart..because thats one thing that cannot lie (nor is affected by the
> proverbial recession) :).....
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Abhinav Kalyan

> <abhinavkalya...@gmail.com>wrote:

> ...
>
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[nitish sabharwal]

Well everyone has a right to say and express his / her experience in their own words. Playing with words will simply not give the true picture of one's experiences.
Yes, people are nice and cooperative here, its one if the most safest and beautiful country in world but there is no doubt that Swiss government is very strict in giving work permits to Non EU people. I also had a few experiences where companies having "English" as official language refused to give me a job because my German is not very good and I belong to Non EU nation.
At the same time Job is not the only criterion and one must take into account the quality of studies too..

[nitesh jain]

Comparison with Paulo Coelho...Well, .I am already famous...ETH would be now just an icing on the cake :P...thanks a tons  Prateek