[Grok-dev] here's a crazy thought: a grok sprint?

[Jan-Wijbrand Kolman]

Hi,

Here's a crazy thought: what about having a Grok sprint?

I must be mad thinking this would be at all usefull...?

My idea would be to gather the selection of small changes we did since
the last official release, clean up groktoolkit, release it, bring the
current grok website down and launch a small new website (kinda like a
"readthedocs" thing) explaining the current status etc.

Why would I want to suggest this?

The reasons are twofold:

* It would be fun I think, to meet up with the few people that are still
using Grok or some of its legacy.

* The current website and everything give a highly unfinished and
abandoned feel. This in fact is not far from the truth ;) but I like the
idea to clean things up and explain the state of the project.

To be clear:

* At my work, we're still using Grok. And thus ZTK. And there's no plan
to move away from it any time soon. For us, the underpinnings of our
application still serve us well for now.

* My idea for this sprint is explicitly low-ambition. Of course I'm
every now and then fantasizing about porting Grok to Python 3, now that
a lot of ZTK packages are supposed to run on Python 3. And we could of
course spend time on such, or completely different, ideas if there's any
common ground for it.

Ok, let the laughing begin... I **am** being silly here, right..? ;)

Or does anyone actually like the idea..?

regards, jw

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[Souheil CHELFOUH]

Hello all,

I don't think this is crazy at all, J-W :)

The last sprint left everyone wondering about the future.
We had discussions but no real direction, so I'd be interested in taking part in such a sprint.

As most of you know, I'm no longer using plain Grok, but that doesn't prevent me to want to contribute.

- Souheil

[Leonardo Rochael Almeida]

Most of the fun in sprints are in the sprint itself, rather than the target.

Me, I'd love to go, but no longer living in Europe makes it unlikely I'd be able to attend.

[Christian Klinger]

Hi,

you can count me in.
Would be fun to see you all again.

- Christian

Jan-Wijbrand Kolman schrieb:

[Aroldo Souza-Leite]

Hi JW,

I don't think your thought is crazy at all. On the contrary, perhaps the
mad ones are the rest of us, who have been neglecting Grok for no
rational reason I can think of.

I find the suggested sprint topics so far obviously useful. Do you think
trying to take a realistic look at Grok's current location in the
Great Scheme of Pythonic Things could also be one of the sprint
topics? Just blotting a red spot on the map with the underline "We are
here"?.

Many thanks for your work anyway.

Best regards,

Aroldo.

[Jan-Wijbrand Kolman]

On 5/19/14 3:20 PM, Souheil CHELFOUH wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I don't think this is crazy at all, J-W :)

Thanks :-)

> The last sprint left everyone wondering about the future.
> We had discussions but no real direction, so I'd be interested in taking
> part in such a sprint.

Talking about the "future" is certainly useful and I'm interested in
your ideas!

In addition to this, let me repeat that my personal goal for a sprint
would initially be low-ambition: I would really like to clean up some of
the things we left lying around. This perhaps doesn't take that much
time, just some consensus and quick decisions and getting something
done. Sprints are excellent for that :-)

Secondly, I so far never actually looked into the current state of ZTK
regarding Python 3. It would be nice, I think, to spend a little time on
this topic together.

> As most of you know, I'm no longer using plain Grok, but that doesn't
> prevent me to want to contribute.

That's highly appreciated!!

[Jan-Wijbrand Kolman]

On 5/19/14 3:23 PM, Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote:
> Most of the fun in sprints are in the sprint itself, rather than the target.

True, the social aspect is great!

It also is an excellent opportunity of course to Get Something Done :)
If only, it is nice to make some quick decisions together. That's what
I'm aiming for: some quick decisions and some work to "implement" them.

> Me, I'd love to go, but no longer living in Europe makes it unlikely I'd
> be able to attend.

We'll keep you updated nonetheless - you never know how things might
work out!

[Jan-Wijbrand Kolman]

On 5/19/14 10:20 PM, Aroldo Souza-Leite wrote:
>
> Hi JW,
>
> I don't think your thought is crazy at all. On the contrary, perhaps the
> mad ones are the rest of us, who have been neglecting Grok for no
> rational reason I can think of.

Thanks for the kinds words. I do however not think "others" neglected
Grok anymore than I did :-)

> I find the suggested sprint topics so far obviously useful. Do you think
> trying to take a realistic look at Grok's current location in the
> Great Scheme of Pythonic Things could also be one of the sprint
> topics? Just blotting a red spot on the map with the underline "We are
> here"?.

That would be a nice outcome for a sprint, to know where we stand
//and// to be explicit about it on a new, small, simple website.

This site's story, IMHO, could be something along the lines of "Grok
(and ZTK) have lots to offer, but it certainly has its shortcomings, and
had a certain age to it, and this is where it could fit in for you".

regards, jw.

[Christian Klinger]

Hi again,

JW you also have already some plans for location/organistaion?

Christian

Jan-Wijbrand Kolman schrieb:

[Jan-Wijbrand Kolman]

On 5/19/14 4:03 PM, Christian Klinger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> you can count me in.
> Would be fun to see you all again.

Yes! It certainly would!

[Jan-Wijbrand Kolman]

On 5/20/14 10:51 AM, Christian Klinger wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> JW you also have already some plans for location/organistaion?

No, my crazy idea came before any concrete and practical thoughts :-)

If we're kinda serious about this, then let's make an inventory of
possible locations based on 1) how may participants would be involved?
2) who can host this, and wants to?

And we need to figure out a date somehow too :-)

gr.jw.

[Milind Khadilkar]

Hi everybody,

Greetings.

We have been using Grok off and on for a few years now, and everytime we start something new, we either start thinking in terms of Zope2 or Grok. Financially we did not do well over the last couple of years and hence we downsized... but we are planning on taking on new recruits in the next quarter and we would be training them on Zope2 and Grok!!

None of our former employees are working on Grok or Zope at their new jobs. But they do tell us that they still compare whatever new things they learn with Grok/Zope.

We are aware that Grok as a community is dwindling and not very active, but we feel we will stick to it!!

Unfortunately at this time we do not have sufficient expertise or resources to be part of a development sprint.

Our best wishes for the sprint. And for Grok. And to you all.

Thanks.

Milind Khadilkar

on behalf of Chintan Systems Pvt. Ltd., Mumbai, India.