Re: Digest for ziavelo@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 1 topic
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Ron Cooke
Apr 12, 2026, 2:31:35 PMApr 12
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Having sat everyday for more than a month in the ICU, hoping that my wife was going to live and recover from her bicycle accident, I would remind everyone that there are enough risks out there without engaging in the kind
of foolish behavior that's been discussed here. Maybe when you're a pro and they're paying you a million dollars a year but this is supposed to be fun.
I would also note that Zia Velo to much of the community is the face of bicycling in Las Cruces. Your behavior and frankly, your recklessness reflects on all of us who cycle and simply gives ammunition to those who do not like bicyclists to begin with. We were
fortunate last year in getting legislation passed that was favored of cyclists. It's only going to take a couple of instances of recklessness like this before someone is going to be moving to repeal that legislation. And frankly, if it happens you have no
one to blame but yourself.
So enjoy the bicycling don't be foolish, don't be reckless and don't be a bad
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- Heater Ride Risk - 25 Updates
| Christian M. Dupret <christia...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 01:14PM -0600
Stop sign are yied signs…. |
| Shane Cunico <cu...@live.com>: Apr 11 10:21PM
Just for clarity, the new, New Mexico law mimics the Idaho laws that allow cyclists to treat Stop signs as yielding signs, and stop lights as stop signs. Most motorists and many cyclists are not aware if these changes that took effect months ago. Just be super careful. Shane C. On Apr 11, 2026, at 13:15, Christian M. Dupret <christia...@gmail.com> wrote: Stop sign are yied signs…. On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 7:06 AM Tom Custer <tcus...@gmail.com<mailto:tcuster73@gmail.com>> wrote: Barry, uncle Tom loves you too. The folks who run stop signs make all riders with a ZV jersey look like jerks. Not a good public image for the club. Uncle Tom On Apr 10, 2026, at 11:31 AM, Barry Stout <bst...@stouthardwood.com<mailto:bstout@stouthardwood.com>> wrote: I love you man. Barry Stout Stout Hardwood Floor Co., Inc 575 644-2180 ________________________________ From: zia...@googlegroups.com<mailto:ziavelo@googlegroups.com> <zia...@googlegroups.com<mailto:ziavelo@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Zia Velo <zia...@gmail.com<mailto:ziavelo@gmail.com>> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2026 10:23:52 AM To: zia...@googlegroups.com<mailto:ziavelo@googlegroups.com> <zia...@googlegroups.com<mailto:ziavelo@googlegroups.com>> Subject: Re: Heater Ride Risk Barry, thank you for bringing up this important reminder of safety. Even though it is not a 'race' it is easy to fall into a race mode without remembering the lack of safety we need to maintain. I know I have been guilty of messing up the safety expectations and will work to emphasize more clarity in participant safety. We did a MUCH better job of warning each other with the traffic from behind and upfront this past heater. This improvement in safety with traffic proves we can do a better job at corners and stop signs. Thanks for caring about each other. David On Thu, Apr 9, 2026 at 10:00 AM Barry Stout <bst...@stouthardwood.com<mailto:bstout@stouthardwood.com>> wrote: Yesterday's heater was fast and fun but dangerous. We are taking huge risks by blowing through stop signs at speed then accelerating to get off the front. Stop signs are the issue - University and Snow Road at the beginning and again at the last turn onto Hwy 28. Luckily that car slowed down on 28. Stop signs used to be somewhat neutral, for safety, after Blickem almost got pasted years ago. We need to get back to a safe route through all stop signs and not use it to "get off the front" to inflict damage. We could hire traffic cops at each turn so all of us can hammer the turns, go back to the frontage road with no stop signs (Tucson Shoot Out style) or just slow down at said stop signs for the up-tempo group ride that it is, through the much prettier and cooler valley. Barry A Stout Stout Hardwood Floor Co., Inc. 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| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 04:25PM -0600
In the yielding to stop sign that is IF no ONE is coming . IF a car is there with you from the opposite direction. Then yes I would STOP .. 3,000 lbs versus 159-250 lbs the larger vehicle will do damage to you… David Neal |
| Jerry Garcia <jgtr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 04:30PM -0600
Pretty comical coming from someone who would constantly cross the yellow line in several instances even after being told not to by several riders including myself. Jerry |
| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 04:36PM -0600
Pretty funny you or anyone never told me to my face … soooo… whatever…but I have seen plenty of zvers going out to airport and beyond cross to the opposite of the road on a regular basis… .. I’m not the one who has nearly been hit.. not even close but according to these reports several ZVers have violated those rules on a regular basis… have a good one… David Neal |
| Jerry Garcia <jgtr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 04:39PM -0600
Not only did I say it to your face, but I actually put my hand on your shoulder and explain nicely to you that I would hate to see you get hit by a car and that you were putting the rest of the group in danger. And this was coming down Picacho at high rate of speed. N even after I explained that to you, you still disobeyed the rules of the road and crossed the line. |
| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 04:40PM -0600
Uh huh … David Neal |
| fabian erives <fabian...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 04:41PM -0600
chowder club anyone?!?!? |
| Tamatha Risner <risner...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 04:47PM -0600
Actually I’ve had to tell you on more than one occasion to NOT ride on the left lane of the double laned highway coming down from the airport and yes, it was to your face. A few others have also had to say something to you and yes cars were coming from behind at over 55mph. Regardless to cars coming from behind, NO ONE SHOULD EVER BE IN THE LEFT LANE OF A DOUBLE LANED ROAD OR HIGHWAY or riding in the middle of the road rather than shoulder when the shoulder allows. Point is, WE CAN ALL DO BETTER. We should ALWAYS yield to cars regardless to laws now allowing us to roll through stop signs. We should also always be calling out vehicles. The heater nor any other ride/race is worth someone getting hurt or killed. When you’ve seen what we’ve seen, you’d understand. |
| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 05:04PM -0600
And of course i DO REMEMBER that shouting match from you… ( one sided)thanks for refreshing my memory…but you were not at the incident point but viewing from a Distance from BEHIND and could not see I had to MISS another cyclist who had darted to the left of the road for no reason and I had to make a quick action to keep from hitting him.. That SAME CYCLIST also on another occasion slowed to 5 mph and made a U turn right in front of me and had to miss him. ( yes I know his name but am not classless enough to attempt to embarrass him)…your anger at me is DISPLACED. But again the same problem EXISTS NOW and you Do NOT have me to blame… huh wonder why that is? oh yeah several other zvers are still the problem .. David Neal On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 4:47 PM Tamatha Risner <risner...@gmail.com> wrote: |
| Tamatha Risner <risner...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 05:19PM -0600
Not even worth arguing the matter anymore… Again, WE CAN ALL DO BETTER! I own the bad decisions I’ve made on the bike, in which I’ve made plenty. And I’ve had to apologize for some of those bad decisions. WE’VE ALL MADE THEM! I pray every time I get on the bike to keep everyone safe and free from harm or having to witness anyone harmed and continue to do so even if you’re not my friend. |
| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 05:32PM -0600
And again I am sure you have not noticed but I HAVE NOT ridden with ZV for a very long time now.. . Why ? Because of the dangerous ACTIONS by some zvers … YES you are correct…I also pray that no one gets hurt and I will own up to my bad decisions when they happen.. my intent is to see ALL CYCLISTS including zvers to BE SAFE … but what happens ? I get attacked Just for wanting to SEE ALL CYCLISTS safe.. these dangerous actions done reflects on ALL CYCLISTS not just zvers… a motorist does not know or care from what cycling club we are from .. they just know oh it’s another cyclist doing dangerous things… ZV,B&C or anyone riding by themselves are AFFECTED.. David Neal On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 5:19 PM Tamatha Risner <risner...@gmail.com> wrote: |
| Christian M. Dupret <christia...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 05:45PM -0600
Berry, see what you started! LOL |
| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 05:51PM -0600
I think it’s healthy to air things out … maybe Mr Garcia and ms risner will feel better now that they found their scape goat ( baa baa baa)… LOL…. hmmm but the problem still EXISTS… better find a new scape goat … LOL.. David Neal On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 5:45 PM Christian M. Dupret < |
| fabian erives <fabian...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 05:54PM -0600
Those are fighting words!! I’ll bring the gloves!! LOL |
| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 05:55PM -0600
Set it up … lol.. David Neal On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 5:54 PM fabian erives <fabian...@gmail.com> wrote: |
| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 05:56PM -0600
David Neal |
| Jerry <jgtr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 05:59PM -0600
No scapegoat David just calling out the obvious. No hard feelings on my part. Just want to see everyone safe. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2026, at 5:56 PM, David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: David Neal On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 8:08 AM David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: I do hope the Velo group/heater ride will come to a realization that this group will be affecting EVERY cyclist in the Mesilla area IF indeed dangerous actions have been taking place. All it will take is a motorist or two calling in to the proper law enforcement agency to complain about cyclists being dangerous.. that will trigger a crackdown on all cyclists not just this group… as I say I DO NOT know if this is actually happening and only responding to whst has been written.. have fun train hard and be safe … David Neal On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 7:33 AM Jerry <jgtr...@gmail.com> wrote: It's called wokeness Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2026, at 7:27 AM, Patrick Steele <patrick....@gmail.com> wrote: If Dale Earnhardt was alive to witness this conversation about going slow and not turning left (on stop signs) he'd be very disappointed in us On Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 7:25 AM bikemaster59 <bikema...@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed Barry. I use the heater for my intervals knowing that I will not win anything. I would appreciate a return to a start of high speed riding after crossing the highway on snow going out as well as at at the junction where we re-enter the highway. I also would not mind a pause where we turn onto the cross road that goes over the river into San Miguel as well. Steve C. On Thu, Apr 9, 2026, 10:00 AM Barry Stout <bst...@stouthardwood.com> wrote: Yesterday's heater was fast and fun but dangerous. We are taking huge risks by blowing through stop signs at speed then accelerating to get off the front. Stop signs are the issue - University and Snow Road at the beginning and again at the last turn onto Hwy 28. Luckily that car slowed down on 28. Stop signs used to be somewhat neutral, for safety, after Blickem almost got pasted years ago. We need to get back to a safe route through all stop signs and not use it to "get off the front" to inflict damage. We could hire traffic cops at each turn so all of us can hammer the turns, go back to the frontage road with no stop signs (Tucson Shoot Out style) or just slow down at said stop signs for the up-tempo group ride that it is, through the much prettier and cooler valley. Barry A Stout Stout Hardwood Floor Co., Inc. Since 1928 575 644-2180 cell 575 527-4143 ofc bst...@stouthardwood.com www.stout-hardwood-floors.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ZiaVelo Cycling" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ziavelo+u...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ziavelo/EA2PR22MB4708390CAF2557AB913B35E5DB582%40EA2PR22MB4708.namprd22.prod.outlook.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ZiaVelo Cycling" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ziavelo+u...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ziavelo/CAPL0%3D4FKxAgEoP8CKjBx1kLZfSN6eyPUpucCeXPqUF3_2CxR2Q%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ZiaVelo Cycling" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ziavelo+u...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ziavelo/CAM1%2BeMS_BB5R-qWpVdbyrB08%2BUOtBpwOq3TiiYvy0SKqyH6WJA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ZiaVelo Cycling" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ziavelo+u...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ziavelo/B7617733-1567-4421-9780-DD73AF4DA0BE%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ZiaVelo Cycling" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ziavelo+u...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ziavelo/CABZxvMNNi8iByBsxbyDSNKPtpzi5MPreVEb3iK2HjRRH_zEgug%40mail.gmail.com. |
| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 06:01PM -0600
ME TOO… as I say haven’t ridden with the group in a long time .. ( still live in the area) BUT the problem still exists…something that is being ignored .. ask yourselves WHY? David Neal |
| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 07:10PM -0600
Here is another rider’s Comments who emailed me and refuses to ride with ZV .. how about Laura Burkett? If memory serves me, she was hurt during a Heater ride about 1-2 years ago.. why hasn’t she come back to the group ?…I say this to get ALL OF YOU to realize some serious correction in attitude is warranted .. I DO RESENT being screamed at from an ill tempered banshee cursing and swearing at me from 15-30 feet away when she did not bother to gather any facts but assuming she is correct in what she thought she saw and i explained in detail earlier what happened .. I do remember frank Moreno tapping me on the shoulder and commenting but frankly i do not remember Mr. Garcia doing this at all….however just because Mr Garcia ms Eisner or frank thinks I did something wrong DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE until ALLTHE FACTS have been explored .. But as usual it makes no difference..I am so afraid if you do not correct it someone will get seriously hurt or worse .. I hope the group will heed the warnings… Here is that email from another rider: On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 6:37 PM Mark M. wrote: David, I raced in Dallas for 5 years beginning in the early 70's. What turned me off to the Zia group were the exalted egos. Most especially the head of the club. Found it a real turn off. David Neal |
| Ryan R <rjrfa...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 08:12PM -0500
This guy seems fun. |
| Jerry <jgtr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 07:18PM -0600
Seriously David, to quote a previous ZV director that actually had the balls to say something, don't cross the f'ing yellow line Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2026, at 7:13 PM, Ryan R <rjrfa...@gmail.com> wrote: This guy seems fun. On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 8:11 PM David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: Here is another rider's Comments who emailed me and refuses to ride with ZV .. how about Laura Burkett? If memory serves me, she was hurt during a Heater ride about 1-2 years ago.. why hasn't she come back to the group ?…I say this to get ALL OF YOU to realize some serious correction in attitude is warranted .. I DO RESENT being screamed at from an ill tempered banshee cursing and swearing at me from 15-30 feet away when she did not bother to gather any facts but assuming she is correct in what she thought she saw and i explained in detail earlier what happened .. I do remember frank Moreno tapping me on the shoulder and commenting but frankly i do not remember Mr. Garcia doing this at all….however just because Mr Garcia ms Eisner or frank thinks I did something wrong DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE until ALLTHE FACTS have been explored .. But as usual it makes no difference..I am so afraid if you do not correct it someone will get seriously hurt or worse .. I hope the group will heed the warnings… Here is that email from another rider: On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 6:37 PM Mark M. wrote: David, I raced in Dallas for 5 years beginning in the early 70's. What turned me off to the Zia group were the exalted egos. Most especially the head of the club. Found it a real turn off. David Neal On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 6:01 PM David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: ME TOO… as I say haven't ridden with the group in a long time .. ( still live in the area) BUT the problem still exists…something that is being ignored .. ask yourselves WHY? David Neal On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 5:59 PM Jerry <jgtr...@gmail.com> wrote: No scapegoat David just calling out the obvious. No hard feelings on my part. Just want to see everyone safe. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2026, at 5:56 PM, David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: David Neal On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 8:08 AM David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: I do hope the Velo group/heater ride will come to a realization that this group will be affecting EVERY cyclist in the Mesilla area IF indeed dangerous actions have been taking place. All it will take is a motorist or two calling in to the proper law enforcement agency to complain about cyclists being dangerous.. that will trigger a crackdown on all cyclists not just this group… as I say I DO NOT know if this is actually happening and only responding to whst has been written.. have fun train hard and be safe … David Neal On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 7:33 AM Jerry <jgtr...@gmail.com> wrote: It's called wokeness Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2026, at 7:27 AM, Patrick Steele <patrick....@gmail.com> wrote: If Dale Earnhardt was alive to witness this conversation about going slow and not turning left (on stop signs) he'd be very disappointed in us On Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 7:25 AM bikemaster59 <bikema...@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed Barry. I use the heater for my intervals knowing that I will not win anything. I would appreciate a return to a start of high speed riding after crossing the highway on snow going out as well as at at the junction where we re-enter the highway. I also would not mind a pause where we turn onto the cross road that goes over the river into San Miguel as well. Steve C. On Thu, Apr 9, 2026, 10:00 AM Barry Stout <bst...@stouthardwood.com> wrote: Yesterday's heater was fast and fun but dangerous. We are taking huge risks by blowing through stop signs at speed then accelerating to get off the front. Stop signs are the issue - University and Snow Road at the beginning and again at the last turn onto Hwy 28. Luckily that car slowed down on 28. Stop signs used to be somewhat neutral, for safety, after Blickem almost got pasted years ago. We need to get back to a safe route through all stop signs and not use it to "get off the front" to inflict damage. We could hire traffic cops at each turn so all of us can hammer the turns, go back to the frontage road with no stop signs (Tucson Shoot Out style) or just slow down at said stop signs for the up-tempo group ride that it is, through the much prettier and cooler valley. 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| David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 07:23PM -0600
Seriously Jerry you need to start reading what I said…. Sigh… have not ridden with ZV since end of 2025 and I had the “ balls ” to actually back him up ( ZV director) but got attacked for something that happened nearly a week ago .. seriously you need better reading skills.. David Neal |
| fabian erives <fabian...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 07:27PM -0600
Shot's fired!! |
| Jerry <jgtr...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 08:13PM -0600
I read things at face value Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2026, at 7:27 PM, fabian erives <fabian...@gmail.com> wrote: Shot's fired!! On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 19:23 David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: Seriously Jerry you need to start reading what I said…. Sigh… have not ridden with ZV since end of 2025 and I had the “ balls ” to actually back him up ( ZV director) but got attacked for something that happened nearly a week ago .. seriously you need better reading skills.. David Neal On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 7:19 PM Jerry <jgtr...@gmail.com> wrote: Seriously David, to quote a previous ZV director that actually had the balls to say something, don't cross the f'ing yellow line Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2026, at 7:13 PM, Ryan R <rjrfa...@gmail.com> wrote: This guy seems fun. On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 8:11 PM David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: Here is another rider's Comments who emailed me and refuses to ride with ZV .. how about Laura Burkett? If memory serves me, she was hurt during a Heater ride about 1-2 years ago.. why hasn't she come back to the group ?…I say this to get ALL OF YOU to realize some serious correction in attitude is warranted .. I DO RESENT being screamed at from an ill tempered banshee cursing and swearing at me from 15-30 feet away when she did not bother to gather any facts but assuming she is correct in what she thought she saw and i explained in detail earlier what happened .. I do remember frank Moreno tapping me on the shoulder and commenting but frankly i do not remember Mr. Garcia doing this at all….however just because Mr Garcia ms Eisner or frank thinks I did something wrong DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE until ALLTHE FACTS have been explored .. But as usual it makes no difference..I am so afraid if you do not correct it someone will get seriously hurt or worse .. I hope the group will heed the warnings… Here is that email from another rider: On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 6:37 PM Mark M. wrote: David, I raced in Dallas for 5 years beginning in the early 70's. What turned me off to the Zia group were the exalted egos. Most especially the head of the club. Found it a real turn off. David Neal On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 6:01 PM David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: ME TOO… as I say haven't ridden with the group in a long time .. ( still live in the area) BUT the problem still exists…something that is being ignored .. ask yourselves WHY? David Neal On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 5:59 PM Jerry <jgtr...@gmail.com> wrote: No scapegoat David just calling out the obvious. No hard feelings on my part. Just want to see everyone safe. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2026, at 5:56 PM, David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: David Neal On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 8:08 AM David Neal <manfr...@gmail.com> wrote: I do hope the Velo group/heater ride will come to a realization that this group will be affecting EVERY cyclist in the Mesilla area IF indeed dangerous actions have been taking place. All it will take is a motorist or two calling in to the proper law enforcement agency to complain about cyclists being dangerous.. that will trigger a crackdown on all cyclists not just this group… as I say I DO NOT know if this is actually happening and only responding to whst has been written.. have fun train hard and be safe … David Neal On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 7:33 AM Jerry <jgtr...@gmail.com> wrote: It's called wokeness Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2026, at 7:27 AM, Patrick Steele <patrick....@gmail.com> wrote: If Dale Earnhardt was alive to witness this conversation about going slow and not turning left (on stop signs) he'd be very disappointed in us On Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 7:25 AM bikemaster59 <bikema...@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed Barry. I use the heater for my intervals knowing that I will not win anything. I would appreciate a return to a start of high speed riding after crossing the highway on snow going out as well as at at the junction where we re-enter the highway. I also would not mind a pause where we turn onto the cross road that goes over the river into San Miguel as well. Steve C. On Thu, Apr 9, 2026, 10:00 AM Barry Stout <bst...@stouthardwood.com> wrote: Yesterday's heater was fast and fun but dangerous. We are taking huge risks by blowing through stop signs at speed then accelerating to get off the front. Stop signs are the issue - University and Snow Road at the beginning and again at the last turn onto Hwy 28. Luckily that car slowed down on 28. Stop signs used to be somewhat neutral, for safety, after Blickem almost got pasted years ago. We need to get back to a safe route through all stop signs and not use it to "get off the front" to inflict damage. We could hire traffic cops at each turn so all of us can hammer the turns, go back to the frontage road with no stop signs (Tucson Shoot Out style) or just slow down at said stop signs for the up-tempo group ride that it is, through the much prettier and cooler valley. 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