Call for Participation

[Mohsen Saboorian]

Salaam,

Time permitting, we are about to release a special edition called Zekr
Ramadan Edition. This special edition will be available by the
beginning of Ramadan inshaAllah.

For this release we planned the following features:
1. basic recitation support.
2. a new theme with warm colors (easy for long-time reading of the
Holy Quran). [help needed]
3. a Ramadanish splash screen for the application. [help needed]

For recitation, we are looking for aya-by-aya recitation of the whole
Quran, preferably in MP3 format (I know Arabeyes's; that's .spx).
[help needed]

Regards,
Mohsen.

[zabee...@pakhtosoft.com]

Assalam alikum,
Mohsen, this is a webpage which includes surah-by-surah recitation of the
holy Qur'an:
http://www.voiceofquran.com/english/arabic_recitation.shtml

I also have a software which includes Aya-by-aya recitation of the holy
Qur'an and each aya is in a

separate file (MP3)!!!. But it cannot be send online because it is very
heavy!!! If you can provide

me your address so I may be able to send it by courier service.

wasalam,
Zabeehullah khan

[KOUKA Abdelmonam]

Assalam alaykom,

I think that the audio files shouldn't have a heavy size because we will attach them to the software and many people haven't a fast Internet connection to download them, so I agree with brother Mohsen in using .spx files like Arabeyes do...

 

2007/8/30, zabee...@pakhtosoft.com <zabee...@pakhtosoft.com>:

عبد المنعم كوكة
KOUKA Abdelmonam
Software Engineer
GNU/Linux user #450141
===================================================
"Some people see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not?"
                                [George Bernard Shaw]

[Alma]

Assalaamu alaykum

There's something here (aya-by-aya-recitations)
ftp://ftp.islamware.com/pub/audio/ayah/

Alma

--
http://siahe.com/zekr

[wessam]

Salams,

There's a ftp Quran mp3 and ogg repository here http://audio.islamicnetwork.com/.

I' d suggest using ogg as the format cause it avoids the whole mp3 pay
for codec rubbish. Also it makes us zekr more suitable for open source/
FSF supporters.

With repect to size though, the inclusion of quality audio will bloat
the program ridiculously - wouldn't it be better to set up surah links
that stream on demand?

I'm in contact with the owner of the site I mentioned - there is
possibility of RSS/atom/XSPF links with proper id3 tags for his
current content.

wasalam,

Wessam

On Aug 30, 6:35 pm, Alma <agano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Assalaamu alaykum
>

> There's something here (aya-by-aya-recitations)ftp://ftp.islamware.com/pub/audio/ayah/
>
> Alma

> On 8/30/07, KOUKA Abdelmonam <kouka.abdelmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Assalam alaykom,
> > I think that the audio files shouldn't have a heavy size because we will
> > attach them to the software and many people haven't a fast Internet
> > connection to download them, so I agree with brother Mohsen in using .spx
> > files like Arabeyes do...
>

> > 2007/8/30, zabeehk...@pakhtosoft.com <zabeehk...@pakhtosoft.com>:

[KOUKA Abdelmonam]

I don't think it is a good idea to set up surah links that stream on demand, because there is a lot of people that haven't a fast Internet connection (or an Internet connection at all), so it will be better to give audio files with software.

I agree with the idea of .ogg files :-)
 

2007/8/30, wessam <wbag...@gmail.com>:

[Alex Gretlein]

Ogg also has the advantage of higher quality in less size. It may even
be preferable to use Speex (their speech codec) rather than Vorbis for
Qirat, since it is a single human voice track. That would give even
smaller file size. Also, if you're distributing Mp3s you are
technically responsible for the royalties to the Mp3 patent owners. If
Zekr will be decoding Mp3s by itself, then the situation is even
worse. Using ogg avoids all of this and helps to foster awareness of
free formats amongst Muslims.

Streaming on demand would be not only a greater burden for users but
also an incredibly wasteful resource drain when you imagine the
typical usage of something like this. On the other hand the audio
should definitely not be part of the default download. In my opinion
the ideal would be to offer atomized downloads of individual files, as
well as an audio-extras package with all of the audio.

Without getting into a flame war about Islam and copyright, I would
like to say that it would be preferable if any audio distributed with
Zekr be something for which you have the (recording's) copyright
holder's authorization.

Presumably there will be interest eventually in different speeds and
styles and voices. The base audio system should be set up with
extensibility in mind. Many people, myself included, have large
collections of digital recordings of qirat, and they may be interested
in adapting them for use with Zekr. This may be difficult but it would
be nice if there could be, say, a file naming and division convention
and Zekr would look at the length of the audio and produce a rough and
ready synchronization with the text, which the user could manually
adjust during playback. That could be very far down the roadmap, but
it is something to think about from the beginning. Allowing users to
use their own files also sidesteps the copyright issue. There could be
one or more 'official' Zekr recordings which sync perfectly, and the
ability to add on as many unofficial recordings as possible.

[Imran Ahmed]

I have to agree that streaming would be a waste of bandwidth, and when there is no internet access, would be annoying.

[Mohammad Derakhshani]

Salaam,

take a look:
http://is.aswatalislam.net/CategorySelectionMadeP.aspx?CatID=1001

> Many people, myself included, have large
> collections of digital recordings of qirat, and they may be interested
> in adapting them for use with Zekr. This may be difficult but it would
> be nice if there could be, say, a file naming and division convention
> and Zekr would look at the length of the audio and produce a rough and
> ready synchronization with the text, which the user could manually
> adjust during playback. That could be very far down the roadmap, but
> it is something to think about from the beginning. Allowing users to
> use their own files also sidesteps the copyright issue.

This idea is good. Mohsen, If you can implement a synchronization feature like movie players which use subtitles (.sub or .srt), then I believe people will be able to write their own synchronization files, and then you can distribute them as some sort of plug-in.

Using mp3 as the base format may cause problem in the feature to port Zekr to Linux distributions. You have to depend on a specific player to play mp3 files, but there might not be any free pre-installed.

Best,
Mohammad

[Mohsen Saboorian]

Salaam,

> There's a ftp Quran mp3 and ogg repository here http://audio.islamicnetwork.com/.
> I' d suggest using ogg as the format cause it avoids the whole mp3 pay
> for codec rubbish. Also it makes us zekr more suitable for open source/
> FSF supporters.

We have technical limitations for playing OGG. Our flash .swf player
only plays MP3 I think. Do you know any flash OGG player?

> With repect to size though, the inclusion of quality audio will bloat
> the program ridiculously - wouldn't it be better to set up surah links
> that stream on demand?

Quran recitation does not require very good quality, since most of
audio we use are converted from a tape record, which is < 40kHz
optimistically.

> I'm in contact with the owner of the site I mentioned - there is
> possibility of RSS/atom/XSPF links with proper id3 tags for his
> current content.

The website looks good. The only problem is that it's not aya-by-aya,
so we cannot sync recitation with ayas in Zekr.

> On Aug 30, 6:35 pm, Alma <agano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Assalaamu alaykum
> >
> > There's something here (aya-by-aya-recitations)ftp://ftp.islamware.com/pub/audio/ayah/

Thanks, this sounds great...

> > > I think that the audio files shouldn't have a heavy size because we will
> > > attach them to the software and many people haven't a fast Internet
> > > connection to download them, so I agree with brother Mohsen in using .spx
> > > files like Arabeyes do...

We'll provide both options to use local disk or online streaming...

> > > > separate file (MP3)!!!. But it cannot be send online because it is very
> > > > heavy!!! If you can provide
> > > > me your address so I may be able to send it by courier service.

Thanks. This is resolved now.

> Ogg also has the advantage of higher quality in less size. It may even
> be preferable to use Speex (their speech codec) rather than Vorbis for
> Qirat, since it is a single human voice track. That would give even
> smaller file size.

We are playing MP3s with a .swf player file. Flash is also neither
free nor open source :), but this is the fastest and easiest way we
have. Playing OGG without a kind of SWF would not be easier than our
current technique.

> Using ogg avoids all of this and helps to foster awareness of
> free formats amongst Muslims.

I'm also not happy about patent restrictions on MP3s, but I also want
to take it as easy as possible. I believe this way (flash plugin) does
not violate any legal issues.

> Also, if you're distributing Mp3s you are
> technically responsible for the royalties to the Mp3 patent owners.

I don't think so. Are you sure about it? We just provide MP3 for end
users. They play MP3 files with their own installed Flash players (we
do not distribute original mp3 player) plugin for Browser (almost all
browsers can do this).

Please inform me if this is really true that I even cannot distribute
MP3s of my own. If this is true, I should fully change the plan...

> Streaming on demand would be not only a greater burden for users but
> also an incredibly wasteful resource drain when you imagine the
> typical usage of something like this. On the other hand the audio
> should definitely not be part of the default download. In my opinion
> the ideal would be to offer atomized downloads of individual files, as
> well as an audio-extras package with all of the audio.

Online streaming would be an option for those who have good Internet
connection. We have not very much users so there shall not have
bandwidth problems (on siahe.com). Still there can be an extras
package for whole audio...

> Without getting into a flame war about Islam and copyright, I would
> like to say that it would be preferable if any audio distributed with
> Zekr be something for which you have the (recording's) copyright
> holder's authorization.

Aren't recitations like Mensawi's in public domain now (I think they
are old enough)? I have no idea about this. Anyone can ask for
permission?

> Presumably there will be interest eventually in different speeds and
> styles and voices. The base audio system should be set up with
> extensibility in mind.

For Ramadan edition I don't like to think much about extensibility. We
have only two weeks. That's OK for the next major release.

> Many people, myself included, have large
> collections of digital recordings of qirat, and they may be interested
> in adapting them for use with Zekr. This may be difficult but it would
> be nice if there could be, say, a file naming and division convention
> and Zekr would look at the length of the audio and produce a rough and
> ready synchronization with the text, which the user could manually
> adjust during playback.

Agree with naming convention, but this seems to be very hard to auto
sync with the text. I want to solve this problem as easy as possible.
That's why I even don't want to put a .jar library for playing ogg/spx
files. All basic player functions are delegated to browser which also
delegates them to SWF file:
http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=jw_mp3_player

> That could be very far down the roadmap, but
> it is something to think about from the beginning. Allowing users to
> use their own files also sidesteps the copyright issue.

This can be also possible like current translation format.

> There could be
> one or more 'official' Zekr recordings which sync perfectly, and the
> ability to add on as many unofficial recordings as possible.

I'm still not sure about "synching perfectly", and that's why I'm
looking for aya-by-aya recitation. Synchronizing with reciter requires
signal processing and a lot of free time, which is really not
available :)

>I have to agree that streaming would be a waste
> of bandwidth, and when there is no internet access, would be annoying.

Both options are available inshaAllah :)

> take a look:
> http://is.aswatalislam.net/CategorySelectionMadeP.aspx?CatID=1001

Not aya-by-aya :(
Do these website really have permission from reciters to publish their
works ;) ? This is a really huge collection.

> This idea is good. Mohsen, If you can implement a
> synchronization feature like movie players which
> use subtitles (.sub or .srt), then I believe people
> will be able to write their own synchronization files,
> and then you can distribute them as some sort of plug-in.

As I mentioned this is really not easy for now (and I even doubt if we
can do this it in future).

Who puts his time to make those syncing files? From Zekr 0.3.0 we have
theme support, but who supported a single theme, or just a one line
patch for one existing (except you ;))?
From 0.5.0 we have Bookmarking support, but still we have no bookmark
set other that Zekr's default which was made in less than an hour.

> Using mp3 as the base format may cause problem in
> the feature to port Zekr to Linux distributions.
> You have to depend on a specific player to play mp3
> files, but there might not be any free pre-installed.

The specific player is Adobe's plugin which is non-free software (but
gratis), and I'm sure whoever cares about seeing Google or YouTube
videos, already installed that plugin.

Please excuse me if my response was harmful to anyone.
Mohsen.

[Mohsen Saboorian]

Salaam,

On 8/30/07, wessam <wbag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm in contact with the owner of the site I mentioned - there is

Can you ask him if we can link to the content of his website for
streaming online?

> possibility of RSS/atom/XSPF links with proper id3 tags for his
> current content.

Is there any: RSS/atom/XSPF? I couldn't find them on the website.

[j.a...@googlemail.com]

As-salaamu alaykum.

Another website which has verse by verse Qur'an recitations is called

http://www.versebyversequran.com

It has recitations from Qurra such as:

Abu Bakr ash-Shaatree
Ali al Hozaify
and others.

If not, then the speex files of the Arabeyes QtQuran project should be
a good free solution, especially in the light of the patent
liabilities/royalty issues attached to formats such as mp3.

http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=Quran

https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=34866&package_id=67484&release_id=147894

[Nedim]

Assalamu alaykum

I really don't get it why we need a streaming? Particularly if
recitations will be in Arabic (and I don't see why it will be in any
other language)? I mean, if I have internet connection (e.g. Wireless
at 512Kbps), I can always go to http://www.quranexplorer.com/. Also,
if recitation would be included in Zekr, why should I use internet? At
the other side, everyone with that connection (>128kbps) can download
recitations, and I think this is more efficient than streaming.
My opinion is that all recitations must be in just one package which
will be add-on or module that we can add to default Zekr instalation.
So if somebody have 56K modem, it can just download Zekr (streaming is
not cost effective using 56K or even ISDN since it is time-charge),
and those who can afford better connection (xDSL or wireless, which
are bandwidth-charge or flat rate), they can download both - Zekr and
recitations.
That's my purpose.

BTW someone said that cannot send some files because they are heavy -
u can use http://www.wikiupload.com or http://www.sendspace.com/

[Imran Ahmed]

I have to agree with this, Zekr should be fully functional offline.

Another good site for sendling large files: http://www.mediafire.com

 

[wessam]

salams,

mohsen: I've sent an email, still waiting for the reply - the site has
been updated recently but RSS is limited to one stream atm "latest
files" (http://quranicaudio.com/).

The size of high quality Quranic audio files is large (a couple of
gigs) if you look at the site I linked to above.

Streaming allows people to select the content the want when they want
without using up all that hard drive space.
The best option would be to provide zekr with two different optional
plugins available upon installation:

1 - Download whold quran in audio (ogg)
2 - A streaming quran plugin (on demand)

That way people can install whichever plugin they intend to use.

wasalam,

Wessam

On Sep 6, 8:12 pm, "Imran Ahmed" <mujahid...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to agree with this, Zekr should be fully functional offline.
> Another good site for sendling large files:http://www.mediafire.com
>

> On 9/6/07, Nedim <nedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Assalamu alaykum
>
> > I really don't get it why we need a streaming? Particularly if
> > recitations will be in Arabic (and I don't see why it will be in any
> > other language)? I mean, if I have internet connection (e.g. Wireless

> > at 512Kbps), I can always go tohttp://www.quranexplorer.com/. Also,

[wessam]

Salams,

Before I forget - Replying to some of mohsins questions from a while
back:

1- Do you know any flash OGG player?

Theres a proof of concept here http://flash.j-ogg.de/ [CAUTION- MUSIC
is streamed] - I believe its closed source though http://www.j-ogg.de/
You can create a direct stream using icecast (http://www.icecast.org/
index.php) + muse (http://muse.dyne.org/) [GPL]

It may not be as easy as flash but it would enable us to link directly
avoiding the flash wrapper. Speex is definitely smaller and free but
I'm not sure if the reduction in sound quality is good

2 - The only problem is that it's not aya-by-aya

We could request some space on the server - creating aya by aya is not
hard (audacity) just time consuming.

3 - Aren't recitations like Mensawi's in public domain now (I think

they
are old enough)? I have no idea about this. Anyone can ask for
permission?

If anyone was to sue it would cause a massive uproar in the muslim
online community [copyrighting recitation of Quran] , but we can
check. I'll see if there is someone in FSF we can contact to check.
Which reciter did arabeyes use for their speex?

Imran and Nadim:

Implementing streaming audio would allow people to select the
particular quraa' they want - this is just not feasible with offline
quran (how many of gigs of space do you want to use up).

Other stuff:

We should not rush implementing recitation before ramadan - it is
better just to include the new translation and bugfixes while we sort
out how to do the recitation implementation. Question related to
implementing this feature to be agreed upon include:

1 - File format: Ogg or Speex
2 - Streaming implementation (I'm familiar with the jerowing player
but i believe a seperate server is better)
3 - Legality of including Quraa - whether they are public domain works
or not
4 - Plugin implementation
A -If we are to select one quraa' (for the offline mode) , what
criteria do we use to select him? (I believe it should be based
primarily on tajweed not just an awesome voice)
B - Another option available for the offline plugin is to implement
a couple of quraa for selected suraas (i.e Juz 3mma, tabarak + Surah
Yasin, Kahf, Fatiha).

Awaiting your replies,
wasalam,

Wessam

[Mohsen Saboorian]

Salaam,

On 9/2/07, j.a...@googlemail.com <j.a...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Another website which has verse by verse Qur'an recitations is called
> http://www.versebyversequran.com

This really sounds great. It seems that the owner has also some time
data for sura-by-sura MP3s. Unfortunately I could only find one time
data.

Splitting files to aya-by-aya files, not only increases the size of
(overall) audio files, but also degrades quality.

The best option would be to have some verse-by-verse XSPF playlists in
which there are some <meta rel="start"> for start point of audio
files. Luckily, JW Player (used in Zekr) supports this kind of meta
data.

For the time being, we just use Minshawi's audio data already mirrored
on siahe.com.

> If not, then the speex files of the Arabeyes QtQuran project should be
> a good free solution, especially in the light of the patent
> liabilities/royalty issues attached to formats such as mp3.

I doubt if Arabeyes guys hold privilege/permission to use those three
aya-by-aya recitation files. They also seems to thing about widely
available (and rather old) Islamic recitation files ;)

Adobe pays for the patents and this is transparent for end-users. This
is neither illegal nor prohibited. The only issue here might be some
kind of moral limitations based of RMS ideology (FSF). I personally do
not care much about that.

On 9/6/07, Nedim <ned...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I really don't get it why we need a streaming? Particularly if
> recitations will be in Arabic (and I don't see why it will be in any
> other language)? I mean, if I have internet connection (e.g. Wireless
> at 512Kbps), I can always go to http://www.quranexplorer.com/.

Needless to say that hopefully we provide both options to play online
and offline. For your surprise, I had to use an embedded HTTP server
even to play local files, so playing local or remote files now are
done seamlessly.

On 9/6/07, Imran Ahmed <mujah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to agree with this, Zekr should be fully functional offline.

Me too ;)

On 9/7/07, wessam <wbag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> mohsen: I've sent an email, still waiting for the reply - the site has
> been updated recently but RSS is limited to one stream atm "latest
> files" (http://quranicaudio.com/).
>
> The size of high quality Quranic audio files is large (a couple of
> gigs) if you look at the site I linked to above.

Audio files there seems to be great! If we could ask the site owner to
permit us to use his bandwidth (for streaming) in addition to host
some XPSF playlists, that would be very good.

JW Player can also play RSS and ATOM files, but I didn't test it yet.

> Theres a proof of concept here http://flash.j-ogg.de/ [CAUTION- MUSIC
> is streamed] - I believe its closed source though http://www.j-ogg.de/
> You can create a direct stream using icecast (http://www.icecast.org/
> index.php) + muse (http://muse.dyne.org/) [GPL]

I did a google and found the one you mentioned some days ago, but this
is really too immature to be used in production. No
manual/documentation, no website, no link, nothing! The playing is not
native, that is, not done by Flash player, but actually implemented in
Action Script layer, which is too inefficient:

See related topics about CPU usage:
http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/2007-January/026682.html
http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/2007-January/026681.html

> It may not be as easy as flash but it would enable us to link directly
> avoiding the flash wrapper. Speex is definitely smaller and free but
> I'm not sure if the reduction in sound quality is good

JW Player is definitely the most easier way (although it has also its
own limitations). I evaluated some other players and found that JW is
the most feature-full and mature one.

For the Speex case, I have to
1. use third party jar file
2. control slider syncing with audio
3. parse XML audio playlists
4. use another library to stream and play files remotely, ...

All theses are done by JW Player now.

> 2 - The only problem is that it's not aya-by-aya
> We could request some space on the server - creating aya by aya is not
> hard (audacity) just time consuming.

versebyversequran.com is really a good resource if the owner can give
us time data for some recitations.

> 3 - Aren't recitations like Mensawi's in public domain now (I think
> they
> are old enough)? I have no idea about this. Anyone can ask for
> permission?
>
> If anyone was to sue it would cause a massive uproar in the muslim
> online community [copyrighting recitation of Quran] , but we can
> check. I'll see if there is someone in FSF we can contact to check.
> Which reciter did arabeyes use for their speex?

Minshawi, Hozaify, Khayyat. Copyright statement for minshawi pack says:
محمد صديق المنشاوي

> Other stuff:

> 1 - File format: Ogg or Speex

or MP3. I'm sorry to say that Flash only supports MP3. It is even
unable to play wave formats :(

> 2 - Streaming implementation (I'm familiar with the jerowing player
> but i believe a seperate server is better)

Sure. This is mandatory to have playlist files on the same server that
audio files exists...

> 3 - Legality of including Quraa - whether they are public domain works
> or not

No idea.

> 4 - Plugin implementation
> A -If we are to select one quraa' (for the offline mode) , what
> criteria do we use to select him? (I believe it should be based
> primarily on tajweed not just an awesome voice)

This is rather personal. Users can even play audio translations (if
they have). For the tajweed case, I believe Minshawi is prominent.
Sudais is also one of my favorites :)

> B - Another option available for the offline plugin is to implement
> a couple of quraa for selected suraas (i.e Juz 3mma, tabarak + Surah
> Yasin, Kahf, Fatiha).

Let's talk about this later.

Regards,
Mohsen.

[Nedim]

> Needless to say that hopefully we provide both options to play online
> and offline.

Thanks Mohsen - will be all recitations (suras/ayas) available for
download (offline option)?

>For your surprise, I had to use an embedded HTTP server
> even to play local files, so playing local or remote files now are
> done seamlessly.

I haven't surprised :-) since I presuppose that.
But you're get me wrong: I am NOT totally against streaming, just I am
talking about efficiency - muslims in EU can use both options since
they have flatrate xDSL, but many people in Indonesia and also here in
Bosnia, that lives in suburban regions are still on dial-up at 56K or
even at 33K. For them will be more efficient to burn Zekr with
recitations to DVD (e.g. included in UbuntuME).

[Mohammad Derakhshani]

Salaam,

I didn't check the previous emails regarding this subject. So I may be
unaware from some issues discussed already.

Mohsen, I do not know finally which player or library you are going to
put in zekr, but as a reminder please keep in mind that Ubuntu
repository masters are very picky on the licensing issues, and we may
have problems in feature in porting zekr to Ubuntu/Debian.
I suggest if you are using a non completely-free, i.e., something
needs accepting a license or is unavailable in Ubuntu repositories,
then it may be better if zekr can be compiled in the absence of those
libraries, and just in run-time zekr uses them to support extra
functionalities; if they are not available zekr should still WORK but
just without supporting recitation.

Best,
Mohammad

[wessam]

salams,

The owner of http://quranicaudio.com/ has replied with the following:

"yes insha'Allah i will do so [referring to rss for individual
quraa']" no ETA though.

Definitely the brothers involved with the zekr project can let the
program stream off the site."

Alhumdulilah - this is awesome because we can use mp3 then migrate
over to ogg if needed.

He asked another question:

"I was wondering also if you guys would be interested in implementing
a
transliteration search algorithm that i have [so you can do phonetic
searches over the text of the quran]."

I will email him now insha Allah about hosting some XPSF playlists for
us and the possibility of hosting some aya by aya files.

>The only issue here might be some
>kind of moral limitations based of RMS ideology (FSF).

Well as long as we can get zekr 1.0 into debian stable it should be
fine - although with the gnash player gradually improving the
flashplayer/mp3s being used can be migrated over (iff needed). If its
in the multiverse/universe it shouldn't make much of a difference [but
can we still distribute under GPL?]

I prefer Sh Minshawi too.

> 3 - Legality of including Quraa - whether they are public domain works
> or not

I've asked a question to sunnipath.com related the (shariah)
permissibility of copyrighting quran recitation - upon their feedback
we could do more research into the legality of it.

wasalam,

Wessam

[zabee...@pakhtosoft.com]

I think there should be two options > Online streaming and Offline.
for offline there should be a folder in the zekr main directory for example

(audio) and then any person who wants to hear the Qur'an's recitation

oflline should download the surah which he want and put it in that folder.

and then that surah will be playable offline. this is an easy way.... because

anyone who needs any surah will have to download it once and put in the

folder. easy...........! - zekr will not be heavy too!

the whole verses of a surah should be in zip form and the person will

download it and unzip it in the (for example, audio) directory. and it
will be

available offline too.

and online option should also be available.

[kahouaji hend]

Asalemo alaikom:

It's a good idea that two options will be available so that anyone could participate..JAZEKOM ALAH KHYRAN. ramadhan moubarak

 

2007/9/10, zabee...@pakhtosoft.com <zabee...@pakhtosoft.com>:

[zabee...@pakhtosoft.com]

Yeah brother....... thanks for mubaraki......... RAMADHAN MUBARAK TO
ALL OF YOU SPECIALLY YOU BROTHER...!!!!!!

[kahouaji hend]

not at all

your sister hend

 

2007/9/10, zabee...@pakhtosoft.com <zabee...@pakhtosoft.com>:

[ned...@gmail.com]

oooooo another sister mashAllah we already have Alma@Sarajevo

Ramadan Mubarek olsun to all from Nedim@Mostar

 

2007/9/10, kahouaji hend <hendka...@gmail.com>: