Possible bug in scene reordering???

[Rock Whitehouse]

I started a new project today. I can't move a scene within a chapter. 

If I open an older project, I can.  

See screen capture video at https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j3aocyp3adc9nalpb80a2/yWriterSceneReortderIssue.avi?rlkey=rihqqix646s5rlbuj08r3w24g&dl=0

I've looked at the .ini file and the .yw7 files and I cannot find a setting that might be the culprit. 

I am on V7.1.5.2. Windows is 10.0.19045 which was updated a few days ago. 

I rebooted, uninstalled YW6 and YW7 and then reinstalled Version 7.

No change. 

Here is the end of the debug file:

10:59:27 Alternate backup failed in frmMain:MakeAltBackup
10:59:30 1 action(s) in the main screen queue.
10:59:31 1 action(s) in the main screen queue.
11:00:04 2 action(s) in the main screen queue.
11:00:07 2 action(s) in the main screen queue.
11:00:18 ExtraLogging: SJLScenes_SelectedIndexChanged

In this test, it did reorder one scene, but refused to put it back or change any others. 

Any thoughts? Please tell me I'm missing something obvious.

[Rock Whitehouse]

FWIW I've done some more experiments and I think it's related to projects created recently, likely after the latest Windows update. I still can't find anything in the .ini or .yw7 files to account for it. File properties also don't help. 

As a test, I copied an older, minimal .yw7 file I had started for another project over, appended the 'bad' project, and scene reordering works. 

Still stumped but going ahead with the crossbred project. 

[Rock Whitehouse]

Ok never mind after a few successful moves it quit and now it won't work at all. 

[Rock Whitehouse]

FWIW I uninstalled 7.1.5.2 and re-installed 7.1.3.0 and the problem is gone. 

[Todd Carnes]

That's odd. I'm using 7.1.5.2 and I can drag scenes around and rearrange them without any issues.

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[Rock Whitehouse]

I'm wondering if something in the latest Windows update broke something 7.1.5.2 was depending on. It really seemed to me that it was only broken after that update. If you look at the change log, at 7.1.5.2 yWriter is not using the Windows List Control anymore. 

I'm just glad it works and I can get back to rewriting a book I thought I was almost done with. 

AND I'm glad I suddenly remembered to use WordPad to simplify the RTF in the new export. (Head slip) (DUH!)  Had I remembered that a few weeks ago I would not have blown two days redoing my post-processor. 

Ah, well, live and learn. 

[Ryn Win]

I had the same issue with 7.1.5.2 and updated to 7.1.5.8 in the hope that the bug had already been caught and handle, but it was not.   I will add that my OS is Win 11. 

Thanks for mentioning which version to roll back to.  Is there somewhere the old versions are archived so that I can download 7.1.3?  I don't want to try to grab it from some random site, because who knows if it's the real file or has been tampered with.

[Jennifer Downie]

Could you suggest or kindly send me a version of the software to use?

I am using widows PC version ywriters7 isn't working

On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 12:10 PM Ryn Win <aaryn....@gmail.com> wrote:

I have the same issue.  I had downloaded the newest version on my new computer, and the only way I can reorder scenes is to drag them to a different chapter and then drag them back to the original chapter in the order I want.  I was on V7.1.5.2 and then upgraded to V7.1.5.8 in the hopes that such an egregiously awful bug had been caught and handled already.  It wasn't.  

Thanks for mentioning which version to roll back to in order to restore functionality.  I hope this gets fixed soon.

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[Simon Haynes]

I have 7.1.5.9 (pre-release) and dragging within the scene list works. This should be functionally identical to 7.1.5.8, as I always bump the version number after uploading a beta.

Do you have any scenes open in the editor?

Otherwise I can upload this version I'm using as the new Beta, and if that's not working there has to be something else causing an issue. Maybe something to do with mouse settings, accessibility, or similar.

On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 at 18:10, Ryn Win <aaryn....@gmail.com> wrote:

I have the same issue.  I had downloaded the newest version on my new computer, and the only way I can reorder scenes is to drag them to a different chapter and then drag them back to the original chapter in the order I want.  I was on V7.1.5.2 and then upgraded to V7.1.5.8 in the hopes that such an egregiously awful bug had been caught and handled already.  It wasn't.  

Thanks for mentioning which version to roll back to in order to restore functionality.  I hope this gets fixed soon.

On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 8:10:32 AM UTC-7 Rock Whitehouse wrote:

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[Jennifer Downie]

Hello

Thank you.

Yes, I read the message.

It is confusing as I am not good with technical stuff and just want to use the software as a basic assist tool to write my story.

You said perhaps a bug.

I will have to wait 

thank you

On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 12:10 PM Ryn Win <aaryn....@gmail.com> wrote:

I have the same issue.  I had downloaded the newest version on my new computer, and the only way I can reorder scenes is to drag them to a different chapter and then drag them back to the original chapter in the order I want.  I was on V7.1.5.2 and then upgraded to V7.1.5.8 in the hopes that such an egregiously awful bug had been caught and handled already.  It wasn't.  

Thanks for mentioning which version to roll back to in order to restore functionality.  I hope this gets fixed soon.

On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 8:10:32 AM UTC-7 Rock Whitehouse wrote:

[Simon Haynes]

Re exporting, it might be worth using DOCX in future instead of RTF. My understanding is that Microsoft are going to remove Wordpad in future.

It's probably better for me to concentrate on making docx 100% reliable than to spend too much time messing with RTF, given the latter looks like it's due for the scrap heap eventually.

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[Todd Carnes]

Microsoft already did.

https://www.windowslatest.com/2024/10/02/windows-11-24h2-deletes-wordpad-but-you-can-bring-it-back/

[Simon Haynes]

They created RTF in the first place, and since Docx is an open format with a Nuget programmers can include in their projects, I'd say that's the future.

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[Rock Whitehouse]

I have another new project and the scenes won't re-order as expected. The problem is witl the last scene in the chapter.  You can move it up, not to the second-last position. You also can't move any other scene down to be the last. Now, sure, you can move the scenes around to get the order you want, but it really should just work. 

Wordpad is still hanging around, but you have to install it separately. I have it on my old computer for the grandkids. If RTF really goes away, I'll have a lot of learning curve and rework to re-invent my post processor. Not looking forward to that. 

But, what the hell, Windows 10 is going out of support next fall anyhow. 

[Todd Carnes]

The link I provided tells you how to get it back, but that work-around won't last forever.

To me it's no great loss. I don't think I've used wordpad and/or rtf files since Win 3.11... or maybe Win 95 at the very latest.

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[Simon Haynes]

Moving any scene downwards should put it below the one you drop on.

Moving any scene upwards should put it above the one you drop on.

That's the behaviour by design. Any other behaviour is a bug.

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[Peter T.]

yWriter 7.5.2 under Windows 11 here. Moving scenes within a chapter only works for me from time to time. Sometimes it works straight away and sometimes not.  Sometimes, in order to be able to move a single scene, I have to move other scenes first and then move them back to their original position in a random sequence. It reminds me of the Rubik's Cube. 

[Clifford Farris]

My workaround that got the reordering done was this. I created six new scenes that showed at the bottom of the scene list. I copied the contents of my original scenes into the new ones in the desired order and renamed them properly. I deleted the original scenes, and voilà, I have them in the right sequence. Cumbersome but it worked.

[Simon Haynes]

I'm a bit surprised it's not remembering the scene order, because I haven't seen that before.  Each scene has a sortorder value, and after moving them around these are written out in the project.

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[Rock Whitehouse]

It is inconsistent. I have a Chapter One with seven scenes, and you can't move any scene to be the last. You can move the last scene up. If you try to move Scene N-1 to be Scene N, the scenes remain highlighted and nothing happens. 

But I set up a new chapter and add four new scenes, and it works perfectly. All within the same version, even the same project. 

[A Rad]

I have the same problem. I'm running Windows 11. I tried the current beta: 7.1.5.8 and still the same problem. I can only move the last scene to the top, all other scenes remain highlighted but won't move. I didn't have any scenes open in the editor.

I rolled back to 7.1.3.0 and it works perfectly. (from here: https://spacejock.com/yWriter.html)

[Simon Haynes]

It should work in the latest Alpha version.

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