iPad version

[Lucy]

Any chance of yWriter being ported to the iPad?

[Tristan 'AngelOD' Bendixen]

This question has already been asked, and I believe the answer was a resounding no, due to Apple's rather paranoid behaviour when it comes to the iPhone and the iPad.

Basically the software would have to be rewritten from the ground up, in a completely different programming language, -and- it would require that Simon (assuming he was coding it) acquired not only a Mac, but also paid the $99 required just to get a one-year developer access to the App Store.

At least I believe those were the biggest reasons for it, especially the "programming it from the ground up" bit, as that takes a LOT of time, especially if it's in a programming language you aren't familiar with, and since Objective-C is (as far as I've seen thus far) pretty much only used by Apple (and people developing on/for Apple products), the chance of someone knowing the language is slim to none. :)

- Tristan

On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 19:03, Lucy <strawber...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Any chance of yWriter being ported to the iPad?

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[ivory...@gmail.com]

I think a cloud based version would be th best approach if Simon wanted to serve more nonstandard devices. Then i Phone, iPad, Mac, Linux and Android platforms could all use the same browser based software.

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[Dave Shaw]

By 'cloud based', do you mean run on a server someplace out in the ether, or run on individual PCs in the web browser?  Either would be challenging to implement, although for very different reasons.

 

Dave Shaw
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[ivory...@gmail.com]

I'm not advocating this, but if it were desired to support all manor of portable hardware, running a thin client to the server with a server program serving up html pages would enable portable devices access to both the content and the rtf data, but the data would have to be stored on the server and the main computer would either share or synchronize with the server.

Personally, if I were to write the application to run on a server, I would port it from VB to something more html server based like ruby on rails.

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[Tristan 'AngelOD' Bendixen]

And either way, it would require a complete rewrite, which won't happen simply because ultimately yWriter is a program Simon made for himself, and decided to share with others. I doubt he would have enough use for the cloud-based one (if any use at all) for it to warrant the time for it. :)

It could be a good idea, I'll give you that, but it would have to be coded by someone else, I think. Someone who needs it too, so they will be able to keep at it, since otherwise they may lose interest. :)

- Tristan

[Dave Shaw]

I don't mean to sound critical, but I'd say that in this case 'port' is a little misleading.  We're talking 'write a new version from scratch' here, using a very different toolset, not to mention establishing the server infrastructure to support it.  If I were Simon, I think I'd find that a somewhat daunting prospect. 

 

I also think it sounds more like a product offering by a commercial endeavor than just sharing the tool he wrote for his own use, at least with the technologies and support systems available today.  On the other hand, give it a few weeks (internet time, y'know? - grin) and it could be a lot more viable - or not.

 

Dave Shaw
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[ivory...@gmail.com]

Which is why I don't advocate it. I'm just trying to fend off all the future request to put on every new device including my new Samsung smart fridge so I can develop characters while I cook.

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[Dave Shaw]

I thought the Samsung was going to run the Windows 8 Icebox Edition...

 

Dave Shaw
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[Dick Keaton]

Finally, some relevant discussion! Where can I get one of those smart
fridges?

Actually, I've been reading this thread much like I have read others
similar to
it in the past - with amazement.

Simon Haynes has provided, for our use, and free of charge, what is,
in my
opinion, the most useful and function-rich fiction writing tool
available; and it isn't
good enough. I occasionally wonder if users would even be satisfied if
he paid
us to use it.

Forgive what may seem a sanctimonious attitude, but I truly am amazed.
Here's
how I see it. If you want to use yWriter, buy a PC running a current
version
of Windows and revel in the joy of a really great fiction writing
environment, for
which, by the way, you have paid nothing. If not, buy (notice I said
'buy') a different
product and install it on whatever electronic gadget you desire. No
hard feelings.
I honestly think this discussion group will be better served by
exchanges which
address the use of the features within yWriter for actually writing
prose and not
with endless, convoluted, technical discussion about creating jerry
rigged
infrastructures to support technology's latest 'real neat', 'got to
have' igadget.

I'm sure this is bound to irritate some of you, so please accept my
apology in
advance.

Dick

On Aug 16, 10:56 am, "Dave Shaw" <daves...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I thought the Samsung was going to run the Windows 8 Icebox Edition...
>
> Dave Shaw
> --
> "Should you kill people for writing books? My view is no. Even Dan Brown must live. And, I suppose, write." - Salman Rushdie
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: ivoryjoh...@gmail.com
>   To: ywr...@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:31 PM
>   Subject: Re: [yWriter] iPad version
>
>   Which is why I don't advocate it. I'm just trying to fend off all the future request to put on every new device including my new Samsung smart fridge so I can develop characters while I cook.
>   Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
>   From: "Dave Shaw" <daves...@bellsouth.net>
>   Sender: ywr...@googlegroups.com
>   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:22:41 -0400
>   To: <ywr...@googlegroups.com>
>   ReplyTo: ywr...@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [yWriter] iPad version
>
>   I don't mean to sound critical, but I'd say that in this case 'port' is a little misleading.  We're talking 'write a new version from scratch' here, using a very different toolset, not to mention establishing the server infrastructure to support it.  If I were Simon, I think I'd find that a somewhat daunting prospect.  
>
>   I also think it sounds more like a product offering by a commercial endeavor than just sharing the tool he wrote for his own use, at least with the technologies and support systems available today.  On the other hand, give it a few weeks (internet time, y'know? - grin) and it could be a lot more viable - or not.
>
>   Dave Shaw
>   --
>   What would Kwai Chang Caine do?  After he kicked their asses, I mean.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: ivoryjoh...@gmail.com
>     To: ywr...@googlegroups.com
>     Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:50 PM
>     Subject: Re: [yWriter] iPad version
>
>     I'm not advocating this, but if it were desired to support all manor of portable hardware, running a thin client to the server with a server program serving up html pages would enable portable devices access to both the content and the rtf data, but the data would have to be stored on the server and the main computer would either share or synchronize with the server.
>
>     Personally, if I were to write the application to run on a server, I would port it from VB to something more html server based like ruby on rails.
>     Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>

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>
>     From: "Dave Shaw" <daves...@bellsouth.net>
>     Sender: ywr...@googlegroups.com
>     Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:37:20 -0400
>     To: <ywr...@googlegroups.com>
>     ReplyTo: ywr...@googlegroups.com
>     Subject: Re: [yWriter] iPad version
>
>     By 'cloud based', do you mean run on a server someplace out in the ether, or run on individual PCs in the web browser?  Either would be challenging to implement, although for very different reasons.
>
>     Dave Shaw
>     --
>     "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo
>
>       ----- Original Message -----
>       From: ivoryjoh...@gmail.com
>       To: ywr...@googlegroups.com
>       Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:38 AM
>       Subject: Re: [yWriter] iPad version
>
>       I think a cloud based version would be th best approach if Simon wanted to serve more nonstandard devices. Then i Phone, iPad, Mac, Linux and Android platforms could all use the same browser based software.
>       Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>

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>
>       From: "Tristan 'AngelOD' Bendixen" <angelod1...@gmail.com>
>       Sender: ywr...@googlegroups.com
>       Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:25:53 +0200
>       To: <ywr...@googlegroups.com>
>       ReplyTo: ywr...@googlegroups.com
>       Subject: Re: [yWriter] iPad version
>
>       This question has already been asked, and I believe the answer was a resounding no, due to Apple's rather paranoid behaviour when it comes to the iPhone and the iPad.
>
>       Basically the software would have to be rewritten from the ground up, in a completely different programming language, -and- it would require that Simon (assuming he was coding it) acquired not only a Mac, but also paid the $99 required just to get a one-year developer access to the App Store.
>
>       At least I believe those were the biggest reasons for it, especially the "programming it from the ground up" bit, as that takes a LOT of time, especially if it's in a programming language you aren't familiar with, and since Objective-C is (as far as I've seen thus far) pretty much only used by Apple (and people developing on/for Apple products), the chance of someone knowing the language is slim to none. :)
>
>       - Tristan
>

[Osborn Editorial]

On 16 August 2010 19:35, Dick Keaton <dick....@writeosophy.com> wrote:

I'm sure this is bound to irritate some of you, so please accept my
apology in
advance.

No need to apologize, you have neatly summarized my feelings on the subject.

Yours
Lawrence

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[Tristan 'AngelOD' Bendixen]

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 20:35, Dick Keaton <dick....@writeosophy.com> wrote:

...

I'm sure this is bound to irritate some of you, so please accept my
apology in
advance.

Dick

While I'm with you most of the way on this, I'll have to say that asking questions like these aren't necessarily a sign that people aren't being appreciative, but rather that they like the application enough that they would like to be able to use it on other systems as well. I know that the few times I've had people ask me, if my software can run on other systems, I've been flattered, rather than annoyed, that they enjoy it enough to actually ask for it. :)

- Tristan

[Dave Shaw]

Of course, there are alternatives to convincing Simon to do this.  A couple are:

 

1) Convince M$ that Visual Studio should target the Apple flavor of the week (or whichever other platform you like) as an execution environment.

 

2) Convince the maker of your neat platform that it needs to run Visual Studio apps like yWriter.

 

Unfortunately, convincing Simon is probably easier than pulling one of these off.

 

So, who's on the waiting list for the iFridge?  I'm trying to decide whether to go for that, one of the Android products, or good ol' Windoze...

 

Dave Shaw
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[Joan Atkinson]

Personally, I'd be down for an app that cleans my house while I'm at work, since the catz lack the opposable thumbs necessary to run the vacuum cleaner and the Work-At-Home Hubby is unprogrammable in that regard.  And no, I can't upgrade, he's a rather old model so I've got him programmed well in other areas. ;-)   Jo_Narlene   Eschew obfuscation --- On Mon, 8/16/10, Dave Shaw <dave...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

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[Simon Haynes]

> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 20:35, Dick Keaton <dick....@writeosophy.com>wrote:
>
> > ...
> >
> > I'm sure this is bound to irritate some of you, so please accept my
> > apology in
> > advance.
> >
> > Dick
> >
>
>
> While I'm with you most of the way on this, I'll have to say that asking
> questions like these aren't necessarily a sign that people aren't being
> appreciative, but rather that they like the application enough that they
> would like to be able to use it on other systems as well. I know that the
> few times I've had people ask me, if my software can run on other systems,
> I've been flattered, rather than annoyed, that they enjoy it enough to
> actually ask for it. :)
>

> - Tristan
>

I don't mind people asking for features or versions for different systems - it helps me to guage the popularity by the number of times something is requested.

Of course, I can't accomodate every suggestion and I don't own any macs or iGadgets so there's no chance I'm going to write software specifically for those devices or systems. If Apple backed a truck full of hardware, compilers, manuals and programming books up to my house I still wouldn't write programs or apps for the Mac because of time constraints. (My current novel is at least 12 months late.)

Cheers
Simon
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Software designer & programmer
+ author of the Hal Spacejock series

[Ivory]

Perhaps the next best thing for the I-Paders would be to install
yWriter on a PC and remote control it from the i-pad. Here is a link
I found for VNC on an I-Pad.

http://www.realvnc.com/company/news/ipad-vnc-viewer.html


On Aug 17, 11:22 pm, "Simon Haynes" <spacej...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Lucy]

Interesting. I shall have to give VNC a look at some point.

And Simon... if I win the lottery, I shall have to test that theory :P

[ivory...@gmail.com]

Do. I have used vnc to control my pc from a handheld. You have to work around window and frame sizes, and mouse stuff may or may not translate well to the touch screen.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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[Dain Unicorn]

I've been thinking about this for ages, both because I've been drinking the Cupertino-Koolaide, but also because I sometimes work colaborally.

If there were an easy way (for Simon most of all) to "checkout" the RTFs for scenes, and the resulting file has an intelligent name "project-chapt-scene.rtf" or the like. Then you could read, edit, share, revise, etc al. The nasties come when you want to checkin the edited file... To many ways to munch the code with wonky text formatting codes (and typoed codes). But if that could be surmounted, the checkin would ready the file and plug it back into the project where it goes, and archiving the replaced file as a backup (I'm about as paranoid as Simon on this)

This -- the way I see it -- is likely the closest we'll get to a iPhone or iPad version. I use a app called notebooks for such files, it will read and edit RTF files.

Sent from my iPhone

[ivory...@gmail.com]

I think you're right about the Cupertino koolaid, but I think a lot of the requests to work on mobile devices centered around character design and auxiliary stuff. I think you'd need something stronger than koolaid to want to work on your rtfs from a virtual keyboard. The vnc suggestion won't help with collaboration but it could solve some peoples desire to edit remotely, even if it is a square peg in a round hole.

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[Michelle Norton]

Or, and you could just ignore me, get a tablet pc with windows 7 and captivative(ipad interface) and resistive (pressure sensitive with stylus ) touch pad.

Ywriter runs very well on that. And thanks to the ipad proving the market, they're about the same price as an ipad only with 500 gig drives and nice video cards. 

Sorry couldn't resist.  As a writer and web designer this was perfect for me though I bought a convertable (screen swivels to reveal a key board.) Instead of the tablet version. A little heaver but still good for movies, games and book reading.

There is abig cry for tablets for creating stuff. So iexpect more functionality will come with newer ipads...doubt we'll get the mac os tablet though (a girl can wish)

Michelle
http://michellejnorton.com
http://denverfictionwriters.com

On Aug 19, 2010 3:40 PM, <ivory...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think you're right about the Cupertino koolaid, but I think a lot of the requests to work on mobile devices centered around character design and auxiliary stuff.  I think you'd need something stronger than koolaid to want to work on your rtfs from a virtual keyboard.  The vnc suggestion won't help with collaboration but it could solve some peoples desire to edit remotely, even if it is a square peg in a round hole.

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