Ya Allah Madad Ya Nabi Madad Ya Ali Madad

[Georgeanna Abson]

Whenyou ask Rasool (pbuh) to ask forgiveness for your sins, he is helping you, how? the Quran says his prayers are a tanquility for the believers and his asking forgiveness for the believers does avail the believers - so that is helping you - whether you wish to acknowledge it as help or not

No one believes Ali (as) has any power on his own, we all know Allah (swt) is all powerful and all power comes from him and no one can control a grain unless by God's permission because we don't have an existance on our own

We shias believe the case of the Prophets (as) and Imams (as) is the same as alive or dead, because dead just means alive but not seen by us, and we sunnis and shias both talk directly to the Prophet (pbuh) 5 times a day in their prayers, salafis however follow some sahabas who stopped saying it directly after his death isntead of how Rasool (pbuh) taught to do salat

When we say Ya Ali Madad it does not mean that we r saying that Ali is God...we r only asking Mola Ali that to help us coz He is God,s best creation n God is also proud of His great creation..n God can not ignore Mola Ali,s recommendation so in this way Mola grants us our wishes by taking our pleas to that supreme authority..He is source in that way....God blessed Him with so many powers....As in Quran in sura e taha Ayat 108 God mentioned it clearly that at the day of judgement God will not accept any recommendation but only of those to whom God has permitted n God is happy with them....so there is no question of shirk.....

I was reading the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir (Extensively used by sunnis) of Surah An Najm. And the story behind it was that the prophet of Allah said that Imam Ali (as) will intercede for people equal to the members of a certain Tribe (cant recall the name) . I would have posted the exact description but the website is down for some time now . Hope This helps somewhat in clarifying the concept.

I had previously concluded from my research that to ask help from anybody other than Allah(swt) is shirk. I remember hearing a Sufi say that there is nothing wrong with saying "Ya Ali Madad".

Well obviously YOUR islamic teachings are lacking since u r forever in two minds about whether it is shi'ism or sunni'ism that u wish to adopt..saying Ya Ali Madad does not contradict with islamic teachings, if u were aware of islamic history even a tad bit then u would know that Our Beloved Rasool SAWW uttered these powerful words from their mouth mubarik..so do not jump to such "conclusions" which u have evidently thought so deeply about!..Saying Ya Ali Madad is not committing shirk, we are able to ask for help from those most beloved and closest to Allah as their duas will and wishes will be accepted far greater than ours...we seek madad from our Waqt ke Imam, HujjatUllah Imam Mehdi AS because if we are deserving they will inshAllah deliver, by the will of Allah SWT...still confused?...soul cleansing recomm..:D

**alhamdulillah one should always seek refuge and turn to Allah Almighty...so why don't you then?..each to their own right?..do what u think is right..the day of reckoning is not far inshAllah so we will soon find out who and what is/was right...**

Why do you go to a doctor if you're ill, instead of just praying to be cured? In the same way we can ask those that have the ability to help us in this world, we can ask those closest to Allah (SWT) for help for their intercession is allowed by HIS (SWT) permission.

I accept those that are dead in the way of Allah are not dead, but they are with Allah. From my quranic understanding, some dead can hear, and perhaps those who are with Allah can hear us. The real question is, can one who is with Allah actaully do anything for us? also if we have accepted that they are with Allah in paradise etc, they cant physically help us, thereofre asking them results in nothing except perhaps them passing on our request. However from logic we can conclude that the act of passing on the request should gain us nothing, relitively to asking Him directly, as we are either deserving of help or not. I have trouble beleiving that if we are undeserving of something, but ask the right people, we will get a good result, that seems unfair and against the quran's clear comments about fairness in judgement.

On the contrary we can show you how your assertation that this it is not allowed to seek help from anyone else other than Allah (SWT) is actually in contradiction to Islamic teachings. Remember that we are asking Allah (SWT) to help us through someone who is much better than we are, and this is not only explicilty permitted in Quran, but we are in fact told to DO IT:

"And We did not send any messenger but that he should be obeyed by Allah's permission; and had they, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful."

I think you are mistaken, it is in the intention, and you do not know what is the intention of the one who says it. I personally know many people who say the phrase and do not intend it as a prayer but as seeking intercession. Everyone knows we can't worship Ali (as), thats a given, but by saying the above phrase in NO WAY implies worship to Ali (as)

Your other argument is that we are not in contact with them therefore we can't ask their help, however proximity has no bearing on the situation, and I challenge you to find a proof that it does. On the contrary there are Quranic ayat's showing the dead can be spoken to and they can hear.

"This was Allah's Messenger's cloak with `A'isha until she died, then I got possession of it. The Apostle of Allah used to wear it, and we washed it for the sick so that they could seek cure thereby."

Did they really sought help from that jubba in a Literal Sense that it had Absolute power to benefit them. Or they actually sought help from Allah, but from seeking help from jubba, they only meant that Barakah of Rasool Allah [saww] also includes in their request to Allah?

Even if the name of Allah was not mentioned by Aisha and Asma bint Abu Bakr, when they sought help from jubba of Rasool Allah [saww], but still all (including Salafi) believe that they didn't commit Shirk.

Hidden Intention, which tells that asking of help by jubba was only in allegorical sense. But in reality, they were seeking help from Allah. And hidden intention is a thing, which always have to be given preference over literal approach.

[12:42] And he said to him whom he knew would be delivered of the two: Remember me with your lord; but the Shaitan caused him to forget mentioning (it) to his lord, so he remained in the prison a few years.

[27:40] One who had the knowledge of the Book said: I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye. Then when he saw it settled beside him, he said: This is of the grace of my Lord that He may try me whether I am grateful or ungrateful; and whoever is grateful, he is grateful only for his own soul, and whoever is ungrateful, then surely my Lord is Self-sufficient, Honored.

[2:60] And (recollect also the time) when Moses implored water for his people. We directed: 'Strike that rock with your wand'. Then twelve springs gushed out of that (rock). Indeed, each clan identified their respective drinking place. (We enjoined). 'Eat and drink of the sustenance (provided) by Allah but do not engage in creating turmoil in the land.

What is 'All-hearing All-seeing' to you? Allah (swt) sees and always saw present, past, future, our intentions, our choices, all possibilites, everything that is and could've been,this was always part of his knowledge.

If they (as) were watching us all right now, (I am not saying they are or not), it would not be all seeingness like 'All-seeingness' of Allah (Swt) , it should not be defined as 'All hearing All-seeing', when someone compares this to Allah (swT) and says I believe only Allah is all-seeing all-hearing, he himself has commited shirk not the people who believe it is possile that a creature watches with the eyes of the heart all of creation by God's permission.

You call two persons within a certain distance, one is hard of hearing and the other person has a normal hearing, the slightly deaf person will just hardly make out what you said while the other person will hear you clearly. Now push them further back and call them again, the one with impaired hearing wouldn't hear your voice at all but the other person would still be able to hear you.

Now Ahlul bayt aren't certainly all hearing and all seeing but Allah has made them his perfect creations. They can hear you when you call them, obviously they won't hear you when you saying random things in your daily life. Now, it is not that all the attributes of Allah are exclusive to him, It is just that he is a perfection of all his attributes but still lets us enjoy some of them. He is all hearing you are not but you can still hear, he is all seeing you are not but you can still see within a certain distance he specified for your eyes.

Ahlul Bayt came to earth to guide us to the right path, they are our teachers and Imams ( this word has a very vast meaning) They can do things thousand times better than we. They can still hear us when we call them, while they are apparently not around us.

I find it odd that all muslims (with exception of Salafis who follow some sahabas instead of Rasool (pbuh) regardingt this) talk to Mohamad (pbuh) in direct language (with the word you) five times a day yet so many find it so hard to believe if an Imam (as) can hear us.

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