Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] [NaijaPolitics] Re: Rosicurians and astral travel

[toyin adepoju]

I will begin by answering the questions asked as well as I can before providing a detailed response later on.

I am a Rosicrucian though I have not gone far in the Order having reached only the First Temple Degree,if I remember well.I understand there are about 13 degrees.

As for the question of whether or not one can leave when one likes,as far as I know,one can go any time one wants without any repercussions.I for one,have dropped out a number of times and nobody  even bothered to contact me  to ask me what was  happening.The reason why I have only reached the First Temple Degree is because I have long ceased to pay my dues.When I came to England,I got in touch with the English Grand Lodge who retrieved my records from the Nigerian lodge and offered to reenstate me.I have not taken them up on the offer because I see AMORC as rather too structured for my liking, since I prefer to do my mystical and occult study in a Do It Yourself fashion.I am also not too pleased with the secrecy clause that comes with AMORC monographs,the primary teaching tool of the Order because it seemed to me that that implied that someone else controlled how I used the knowledge I gained rather than myself.My telephone conversation of one or two years ago with Sven Johannson, ,if I remember his name well,Master of the English Grand Lodge,suggests,however, that this might not be absolute.He stated that one is free to quote from the monographs in public discourse as long as one  does not export large amounts of text. I ought to explore that further.

The fact that AMORC is essentially a  correspondence course means that your level of affiliation is uo to you.You dont have to join other members in a lodge.No one needs to know you face to face.You can stop paying your dues and therefore cease membership at any time. I have had a member who was convinced that he wanted to become an Eckist and leave AMORC,who passed on to me all his copies of the magazine the Rosicrucian Digest.In AMORC,to a large extent,you operate as an independent agent.You pay your dues and get your monographs and Digest.You decide how you study,how often and how much of the work you will do.You can accumulate the monographs for years and not read  them.You can and practice only some of what you read in them them since they contain both theory and practice.Progress is entirely up to you.

Now let me address the questions of astral travel.

I expect AMORC teaches a practice described in one of the monographs as projection of consciousness.I have not reached a degree where it was taught but I accidentally experienced it before and will describe it shortly.

I expect there could be diligent AMORC members who can project consciousness with some degree of proficiency.I expect the technique can be learnt without too much difficulty.The key is persistence. I will describe later the little I know of the technique.

I would think that even if they could project consciousness to Saudia Arabia during the UMYA crisis and even if they did do that,from the little I know of AMORC they would not talk about it.AMORC members are quite,if not very conservative.The Order as a whole is quite conservative.They hardly talk publicly about their membership and do not even share ideas from a higher degree with members at lower degrees,at least from my experience in Nigeria.

The manner in which I used to know their members was from the aura around their faces.This is an "energy" projected from the face by consistent practice of spiritual disciplines and is different for people from different spiritual disciplines, including Christianity and Ogun priesthood,to quote those within my experience..It is a kind of invisible but nevertheless perceptible   signature. It can also be found emanating from  spiritually powerful trees and  spaces consistently  used for intense spiritual activity,such as prayer and ritual,even a bed room.I have asked the AMORC members whom I thus identified  about their membership of the Order and in the two instances I asked this of compete strangers my insight was confirmed by their affirmative response.

I suspect that the conservative stance that informs Rosicrucians being so low key has to do with a particular philosophy about spirituality.It can be summed up in an expression from the Chinese philosophical classic the Tao te Ching,to the effect that the best king is the one who rules without people  knowing that he is ruling and the people  think they rule themselves.Something like that.Why attract attention to yourself that will make  it difficult to go about your normal life.If UMYA's whereabouts are a mystery and  so what? Is that not part of the  social development of the country?

Most AMORC members known to me are ordinary workers in respectable jobs in the public and private sectors,living normal steady lives, the very antithesis  of  an attention attracting person. According to the English writer J RR Tolkien, "All that is gold does not glitter".

Can AMORC members  project into your office and tell you things about your spatial location or dressing and activities they would not otherwise know? Perhaps.I have not had the experience or met anyone who has.At the same time,however,one needs to note that scientific experiments are being conducted for some years now  into parapsychology that involve such activities.Also being studied are the related phenomenon of  NDEs, Near Death Experiences,in which patients who were pronounced clinically dead,having miraculously revived,have given accounts of activities taking place in the hospital while they were supposedly dead. They claimed they knew of those things while out of their body during the temporary death  phase.It has become so consistent and widespread that it has been officially  acknowledged and is being investigated  by scientists and humanities scholars.A recent academic book that explores this is  Ornella  Corazza's Near Death Experiences: Exploring the Mind Body Connection  which it does from the perspective of medicine and philosophy.

I have a very close person who had  a similar experience of leaving her body as she was recuperating  after  a very difficult delivery,looking at her body,then rushing round to the front desk to ask for  help from the nurse who could not see her,and finally realising  that she was invisible to everyone else,including her sister and mother in law at her bedside, asked God in anguish what would happen to her newly born child if she were to die, at which point she fused with her body and woke up with a  start, eventually going to the toilet from the first  time in a week.The doctor was surprised because he had thought she would not make it.The stretcher placed outside her door,which she saw when she was in her spirit form and which could not have seen otherwise beceause she was bedridden for a week, might have been  in anticipation of that.

As for the use of psychic powers in espionage,this might be done, but secretly.While attending a meeting involving a detective in Oxford, the detective stated to me that his force uses psychics and that they have proven effective.

As for the public acknowledgement and eager pursuit of such use,the Western world prides itself on control and understanding of nature on which its technology is based.Its opinion makers might not been keen on acknowledging  that there are some effective powers that cannot be explained by its understanding of the laws of nature. This BBC report  presents perspectives on this.It also indicates the US government's  Stargate Project which " investigated  'remote viewing' - the ability to psychically 'see' people and objects from great distances" as well as OBEs Out of Body Experiences.The Wikipedia article on OBEs gives a detailed overview of the nature of the experience and of the scholarly study of the field.Paul Brunton's A Search in Secret Eypt,in the section where he spends a night in the sarcophagus in the Great Pyramid,suggests  a link between NDEs ans OBEs

Research goes on in this field. Among the bodies doing this are the  Alister Hardy Research Centre (RERC) and the Exceptional Human Experience Network /

Projection of consciousness,of which astral travel could be an example could involve visiting physical locations,as in the example of the woman who was seeking for help in the hospital or it could involve entering into realities not directly correlative with the physical world.The latter was my own  experience in  about 2000.It involved  my exploration of Bini nature spirituality and the notion from various world views globally that certain locations embody peculiar forces  which are related to consciousness in inanimate forms in nature.I encountered one such  location,the forest where  the Ogba river in Benin breaks ground for the first time,  on Ekenwan Road going towards Asoro Grammar School.One day,after years of visiting the spot and marvelling at the aura it emanated,I was sitting in my  in my house off Owina Street,relaxing   in front of my study at my altar/shrine,on which I had a piece of wood from the bottom of the river and stones from the road leading to the forest.My mind went to the forest and I wondered about the potent atmosphere of  the forest,described by people as the presence of the spirit of the river,a sense of stillness and awe around the place.My eyes were closed while I revelled in my memory of that majestic presence.

 I opened my eyes to find myself in a different place from my study/shrine.I seemed to be kneeling,and I rose to find a woman's hand on my head as if in benediction. I  got the  impression that I had inadvertently  entered into a  strange  place and that I was welcome.

The woman,a middle aged Black woman, moved away from me towards the opposite side of the room and  I observed figurines-small statues- on the wall behind her which I took to symbolise the cultural provenance of the experience,namely classical-what is often called  traditional-African culture-since the art works came from that culture.No words were exchanged between the woman  and I.I simply understood everything intuitively.

I got the impression that she had moved away from me so that my faculties could better assert themselves and facilitate my realisation that I was not under anybody's  control.I understood that I was not dreaming but that I was not as alert as I normally am in my waking consciousness.I also understood that I was present there in an embodied form,with awareness of all the organs of my body.I realised  that I did not know how I got there but I was aware of my distinctive identity.Having established these parameters of consciousness,with the woman  watching me without  speaking,I opened  my eyes again to see myself seated at my chair in my study/shrine.

I later went through a description of the procedure for projection of consciousness in a  copy of the Rosicrucian Digest,an AMORC  magazine open to both members and non-members and found that I had inadvertently adopted the technique before the experience I had gone through.I was in a relaxed state,while visualising the location,while gently but intensely exploring my curiosity about it.I did not try to project my consciousness but  my intense desire,nurtured over years of curiosity and visiting that location,might have acted as a trigger that actuated the projection of consciousness.

I have tried repeatedly over the years  to replicate the experience but  without success.Perhaps I need to be consistent.

What  happened? I think I entered  into an awareness of a reality associated with the forest of which the woman and the room were embodiments.They might not have been real in the material sense in which I experienced them.The material form of the experience,including my sense of my own embodiment, might have been how my mind chose to interpret the experience.I am still puzzled..

Who was the woman?The entity described as the spirit of the river?Another human being like myself who was more adept at taking advantage of the resources of the forest,perhaps one of the witches reputed to use the nearby okhan tree as a meeting spot? Once I am freer,I will  explore that location more seriously and see what I can do about going deeper into the opportunity it provides.

My second experience was some years before this one.I was in a danfo bus travelling from Benin to Lagos at night.There was a passenger in front with the driver while  two of us were at the back.I closed my eyes to meditate and opened them without any sense of time passing,to find  I was on a hospital bed with pains all over my body.I learnt the bus I had been in had collided with a stationary truck killing the two people in front of the bus and wounding the passenger who had been by my side  me so badly on the head that he had to be chained to the bed beceause the damage to his brain  had made him violent.The villagers in a nearby village had rescued us from the damaged vehicle and taken us to the hospital. 

I escaped with only a slight  sprain to my neck and body pains which did not last long.

I did not experience the accident.I did not experience any passage of time between my closing my eyes to meditate while in the bus and opening them to find myself on the hospital bed.I had heard and experienced nothing in the almost timeless period when my eyes were closed.

What happened? I can think of  a number of explanatory possibilities.One might be that the act of meditation put me in touch with an inner force,described in many world views,including AMORC,where it is called the Master Within,chi of the Igbo,ehi of the Bini,ori of the Yoruba,kra of the Akan,atman in Hinduism,the Holy Guardian Angel in Western magic,the image of God in the human being  in Judea-Christianity, that protected me.Also,rather than use such quasi-personifying   descriptions one could argue for a faculty of the mind that was activated by my meditation,protecting me.Or one could just say that an external  spiritual agent protected me.It can be argued that all theses explanations  can be reconciled through  the notion of there being no fundamental  separation between  spirit and mind.

Or perhaps the accident touched a particular nerve that rendered me unconscious while I luckily escaped unharmed.

Or one could also speculate argue that my mind managed my body in a manner that made sure I was not hurt,the way that people are described as being  to be able to walk on fire or breathe out fire and do other apparently biologically impossible  feats.My conscious mind being kept unconscious by my normally unconscious or super-conscious mind might have enabled  those inner  powers to go to work without interference from my conscious  mind.I dont know.

The meditation technique I was using was one I stumbled on through  the inspiration of reading Abd ru Shin's In the Light of Truth even though I was never a member of his school the Grail Message.It involves maintaining silence,closing my eyes and thinking of nothing in particular.Just being quietly sensitive to any impressions  that might emerge.A very relaxing and empowering  meditation I had been consistent with for years  before the incident  and which remains  my central  contemplative practice. Karen Salmansohn  has written a fine book describing similar methods-How to Change Your Entire Life by Doing Absoluty Nothing: 10 Do Nothing Relaxation Exercises to Calm You Down Quickly so You can Speed Forward Faster ,similar to the expression from Zen Buddhism,Sitting quietly,doing nothing.

I will leave out my other,less spectacular experiences,including successfully using magical invocation and meditation in academic,philosophical and imaginative writing.

My experiences were not directly the results of my practicing AMORC techniques.AMORC,however,has similar techniques and my reading of their literature  and my practice of their techniques has contributed to my general  mental and spiritual health and orientation to life.

With reference to this statement by Dominic "While some energetic people are building rockets to travel to the moon, others lazy people are sitting on their armchair preparing to travel astrally ...." I will ask the permission of a member of the group OccultCabal to post his account of his experience of healing using  out of body projection.Even though his practice might not be identical with that of AMORC,it could suggest differences of value between mechanical motion and motion through a non-material  human  body.

Noyo Edem mentions that Chim is a PhD holder,in her statement about why AMORC and Chim will not go together.In response to that,I will not elaborate on the almost global scope of the eclectic spiritual,philosophical and scientific knowledge addressed by AMORC monographs and public publications.I will on;y mention  my puzzle in connection with an announcement I read some years ago on the website of University College,London to the effect that researchers had discovered that specific parts of the brain relate to particular pursuits and aptitudes.I was puzzled because it seemed identical to what I had read  years earlier in a Rosicrucian monograph while I was in Nigeria.

Edem also mentions that Chima is a Christian,in relation to why AMORC would not suit him.Again I dont want to start arguing about AMORC in relation to  Christianity.I want to ask if Edem and Chima,and perhaps Attueyi, have some acquaintance with Christian mysticism. 

People tend to look down on Wikipedia but it is often accurate and a good introduction to what would otherwise be alien issues.I suggest anyone who wants to know about Christian mysticism could start there.A Google search will lead to a broader range in this field of knowledge.I have read some of the works of the Pentecostal spiritual masters,such as Benny Hinn's Good Morning Holy Spirit and the writings of Kenneth Hagin in the US,Reinhard Bonke,from Germany (?)as well as listened to Benson Idahosa,Kolawole Olukoya,Chris Oyakhilome and others in Nigeria. From what I know about  Christian Pentecostalism,being a born again Christian myself who used to be a regular church goer,along with being a Confirmed Catholic,I would argue that a complete grasp of the wealth of Christianity is not possible without some acquaintance with Christian mysticism,theology and philosophy from the Catholic,Protestant and Eastern Orthodox traditions.

What has this got to do with AMORC? AMORC is an eclectic mystical school,mysticism being describable as the theory and practice of unmediated,direct  awareness of the source of existence,known as God and Allah by some theists and as the Voidness beyond being and non-being by Buddhism,similar to the conception of  cosmic mind in AMORC. It was in a  Rosicrucian Digest I read one of the best translations of the dean of Christian mystics,St John of the Cross' Dark Night of the Soul,Noche Oscura in his native Spanish,in which while imprisoned  and flogged he sang in his poetry of his hunger for God and his eventual union with the divine bridegroom after he had gone forth to meet him  "On a dark and secret night,starving for love and deep in flame,going  forth from my house led by nothing but the fire,the fire inside...."

I hold,however,that the picture of Jesus described by Harvey Spencer Lewis, the founder of AMORC,in his Secret Life of Jesus,which he claims to have got from secret  documents,documents which,as far as I know he has never made available to scholars in the field,does  not look plausible to me.It conflicts wit the radical and iconoclastic  character of Jesus who is presented as   more of a rebel and lone ranger,an individualistic genius,  than the student of an AMORC like learning  structure as Lewis claims .How do we explain,however,the account of Jesus dissapearance  for years and reappearance with a powerful method of ministry and fully developed spiritual powers? Since he grew physically and  mentally from babyhood to adulthood,as well as needing to recharge himself through prayer during his minstry,he was engaged in cycles of activity like any normal human being,suggesting the limitations of his resources,and implying that those resources were acquired through being carefully husbanded.He seems to have been very busy between youthful  debate  with the scribes in the temple and his teaching ministry.What was he doing?Was he fully self taught?

I also consider most unlikely   Lewis's claim  that AMORC is an ancient Order founded by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Akhnaton,a claim  I have never seen any evidence in support of.It looks  to me more like like PR,like the Catholic church claiming that the Pope is a direct descent of apostle Peter,rather than a creation of the marriage between Christianity and the Roman Empire. To me AMORC is better off without such unverified and to me unverifiable  claims.The Order has been inspired by ancient Egypt and Akhnaton.Perhaps Akhnaton is a spiritual guide to the Order or something similar.These, however,are not identical with a consistency of institutional organisation from ancient Egypt.Egypt,however,is central for much of Western occultism.

The genius of Harvey Spencer Lewis and his earlier associates created a powerful structure in AMORC that ,to me,makes  such claims unnecessary.

thanks

toyin

toyin

On 2 June 2010 19:53, wharfrey <wharf...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hahahaha... Nwanna you wanna kill me o! Gosh take it easy. Did you notice that the major proponent of this mystery travel is none other than the "great educated" mind?  

Wharf A. Snake - Idi-oro, Lagos.

--- In NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com, Dominic Ogbonna <summadom@...> wrote:
>
> Here we go again: some folks are defending '*astral travel*' -whatever the
> hell that means, and the ever-gullible Mrs Noyo Edem is seriously worried
> that people might leave their bodies behind!!!! Haba, my people!
> Haba!!!!!
>
> So Rosicrucians can mystically travel out of their bodies? A few questions:
>
> (1.) When UMYA was in Saudi Arabia, why didn't their astral-traveling
> rosicrucians amongst us sneak into his hospital bed to find out how he was
> doing?
>
> (2.) Instead of risking agents all over the place, why doesn't the CIA and
> FBI just use Astral traveling agents to grab information from enemy
> territory?
>
> (3.) Are there any rosicrucians on this forum? Can one of you please come
> into my office right now and tell me the color of my wrist-watch today? If
> you guess right, I will give you 50K, American, no questions asked!!!
>
> Oh wait, the "*travel*" in "Astral travel" is not really "travel"!!!! When
> you "travel" via astral-travel, you don't visit places and locations that
> can be verified by ordinary people!! You only visit mystical places that can
> be verified by "faith" or, as Joe Attueyi would say, by 'simple-minded'
> people who believe what they are told without asking questions.
>
> While some energetic people are building rockets to travel to the moon,
> others lazy people are sitting on their armchair preparing to travel
> astrally ....
>
> Na waaa!
>
> Dominic
>

> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Joe Attueyi topcrestt@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Toyin,
> > And if Chim Ahanotu wants to leave after a few years, is he free to leave
> > WITHOUT repercussions?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >

> > --- In NaijaP...@yahoogroups.com <NaijaPolitics%40yahoogroups.com>,

> > toyin adepoju toyin.adepoju@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Chim.I am attempting an answer of some comprehensiveness that
> > > will address all these questions of yours and more, including Edem's and
> > > Attueyi's queries.It should be ready by this evening or early tomorrow
> > > morning.
> > >
> > > I am also interested in other perspectives on the Rosicrucians and would
> > be
> > > excited to read them.
> > >
> > > When you mention invitation,do you mean invitation to join the
> > Rosicrucians?
> > > If so,there are quite a few Rosicrucian bodies and a Google search will
> > lead
> > > you to some of them.The best known in Nigeria, to my knowledge,is
> > AMORC,the
> > > Ancient Mystical Order of the Rosy Cross. Again a Google search will get
> > you
> > > to them quickly.If you send an email to their branch nearest where you
> > live
> > > they will quickly send you free material to read plus application
> > forms.If
> > > you join them,for a relatively small quarterly fee,you will
> > > re rewarded with the equivalent of a large library,gradually delivered in
> > > carefully graded units, covering various disciplines from spirituality to
> > > science and philosophy,along with fascinating exercises meant to develop
> > > both your mind and other more unusual capacities.The journey is
> > > a demanding scholarly,mystical and occult journey that takes quite some
> > > years, though,if one is serious about it.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > toyin
> > >
> > > On 2 June 2010 17:07, Chim Ahanotu celebrateng@ wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > Before we get drifted too far from the discussion, I would like to ask,
> > who
> > > > are the Rosicrucians? What are their belief? Where do they come from?
> > Also
> > > > what is Astral travel? Do people still flyyyyyy, to the moon? I thought
> > we
> > > > have NASA and their astral boats. Any way, I need answers, and possible
> > > > invitation.....
> > > >
> > > > Chima
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > *From:* Noyo Edem babytonia62@

> > > > *To:* NaijaP...@yahoogroups.com <NaijaPolitics%40yahoogroups.com>

> >
> > > > *Sent:* Tue, June 1, 2010 7:51:36 PM
> > > > *Subject:* Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Rosicurians and astral travel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pastor Joe, Mr. Obi thinks some of us are absolutely ignorant about the
> > > > teachings of the Rosicrucian Order. I have read some of your literature
> > and
> > > > participated in a church's conversion, dedication and consecration of
> > one of
> > > > your former members and his family to Christianity in 1993. I am not
> > > > judging:If people know the truth, they will be more careful in running
> > to
> > > > accept what they do not know.
> > > >
> > > > --- On *Tue, 6/1/10, Joe Attueyi topcrestt@yahoo. com>* wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Joe Attueyi topcrestt@yahoo. com>
> > > > Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Rosicurians and astral travel
> > > > To: NaijaPolitics@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 5:09 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *""The spirit of man knows no barriers and it can be projected beyond
> > > > prison walls" These were the words spoken by the great sage at the
> > > > pre-sentencing phase of his trial.."*
> > > > Emmanuel Obi,
> > > > Above is excerpted from your private mail to Prof Aluko.
> > > > If your cult does NOT practice astral travel, how do they project their
> > > > spirits BEYOND (prison) walls?
> > > > Joe
> > > > --- In NaijaPolitics@ yahoogroups. com, "Emmanuel U. Obi" <bizon586@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Noyo Edem,you are now switching subjects.Members of that order do not
> > > > practice astral travel as you allege and I state so based on personal
> > > > knowledge of over 30 years.Just as the fictional writer has lied about
> > > > Awo,you have posted another fabrication about rosicrucians. You have
> > just
> > > > posted a tissue of lies amount rosicrcuians and yet you call yourself a
> > > > Christian.Thou shall not judge my friend .
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > >  Mazi Uzo Obi
> > > > > Â
> > > > > "whatsoever thou resolvest to do,do it now. Defer not till theÂ
> > evening
> > > > what the morning can accomplish"( Unto thee I grant the economy of
> > > > life,1978).
> > > > > Â
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> > > > >
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> >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/31/10, Noyo Edem babytonia62@ ... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Noyo Edem babytonia62@ ...
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: How Awolowo committed suicide by a
> > > > FICTION WRITER
> > > > > To: NaijaPolitics@ yahoogroups. com, "Emmanuel U. Obi" bizon586@
> > > > > Cc: naijaintellects@ yahoogroups. com, nidoa@yahoogroups. com,
> > > > "NaijaPolitics e-Group" NaijaPolitics@ yahoogroups. com, "OmoOdua"
> > > > OmoOdua@yahoogroups .com
> > > > > Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 9:49 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can members of the Rosicrucian Order grow in the realm of the
> > > > metaphysics and the mystical to the extent that their Order expects
> > them
> > > > to give up their lives for the secrets they know? Members of the
> > > > Order have been traveling out of their bodies in their practice of
> > Astral
> > > > Travel for some spiritual advancement. They may get to a stage where
> > they
> > > > are expected to give their lives back to the Order. Is this wrong?
> > Not
> >
> > > > every member of the Rosicrucian Order can practice all the experiments
> > etc
> > > > in their teachings. Some run away after a few lessons; some just
> > continue
> > > > until it becomes too late to turn back. Some have been married for
> > years and
> > > > cannot share the same room with their wives; their children and wife
> > > > cannot go near their bedrooms.Why is there such a secrecy in the
> > Order?
> >
> > > > > May God be praised in Jesus' name. Amen.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/31/10, Adebayo Adejuwon adeadejuwon@ ... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Adebayo Adejuwon adeadejuwon@ ...
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: How Awolowo committed suicide by a
> > > > FICTION WRITER
> > > > > To: NaijaPolitics@ yahoogroups. com, "Emmanuel U. Obi" bizon586@
> > > > > Cc: naijaintellects@ yahoogroups. com, nidoa@yahoogroups. com,
> > > > "NaijaPolitics e-Group" NaijaPolitics@ yahoogroups. com, "OmoOdua"
> > > > OmoOdua@yahoogroups .com
> > > > > Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 9:28 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Suicide bawo? Indeed AWO lived, died and remained a graet man years
> > after
> > > > he shed mortatlity for immortality. A courageous man who braved all
> > odds to
> > > > become a great man ,far greater than  some charalatans who came and
> > > > pretended all their lives to see and conqered nothing only to leave
> > behind
> >
> > > > some idiots whose passion is only to foul the atmosphere. Long live
> > AWO.The
> > > > greatest of them all.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Mobolaji ALUKO alukome@gmail. com>
> > > > > To: Emmanuel U. Obi bizon586@yahoo. com>
> > > > > Cc: naijaintellects@ yahoogroups. com; nidoa@yahoogroups. com;
> > > > NaijaPolitics e-Group <NaijaPolitics@ yahoogroups. com>; OmoOdua
> > > > OmoOdua@yahoogroups .com>
> > > > > Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 6:46:43 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: How Awolowo committed suicide by a
> > > > FICTION WRITER
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Emmanuel Uzo Obi:
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I hope the "human tackle" Dominic Ogbonna and his ilk (like thatÂ
> > Swamp
> > > > Snake Canice Onuoha)Â are reading you below, particularly concerning
> > the
> >
> > > > life and death of Awolowo that you and I discussed extensively
> > privately
> > > > following Ige's death in 2001. I considered Rosicrucianism cultic for
> > > > Christians Awo and Ige to engage in, but you strove strenuously and
> > bravely
> > > > to convince me otherwise, and we parted amicably then, but agreeing
> > to
> > > > disagree.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Those are the facts, as different from fantasy. The fact remains:Â
> > as a
> > > > strong Christian and/or as a high-order Rosicruci an (like Azikiwe
> >
> > > > himself), Awo could not have committed suicide.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > There you have it.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bolaji Aluko
> > > > >
> > > > >

> > > > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Emmanuel U. Obi bizon586@...

> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â People who commit suicide are cowards and certainly Awo who
> > reached a
> >
> > > > level that few humans ever attained in one life time could not have
> > > > committed suicide.It is a fabrication based on ignorance of the writer
> > or
> > > > the faceless politician that planted the news.
> > > > > Awo was a member of the Rosicrucian Order for over 50 years at the
> > time
> > > > he died and a life member for that matter.He fully understood cosmic
> > and
> >
> > > > natural laws and was adept in the practical application of cosmic
> > principles
> > > > that enabled him live in harmony with cosmic laws.Based on his
> > development
> > > > and advancement suicide is completely out of the question.Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > >  Mazi Uzo Obi
> > > > > Â
> > > > > "whatsoever thou resolvest to do,do it now. Defer not till theÂ
> > evening
> > > > what the morning can accomplish"( Unto thee I grant the economy of
> > > > life,1978).
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/31/10, Mobolaji ALUKO alukome@gmail. com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Mobolaji ALUKO alukome@gmail. com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: [NIgerianWorldForum ] How Awolowo
> > > > committed suicide by a FICTION WRITER
> > > > > To: NIgerianWorldForum@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Cc: "OmoOdua" OmoOdua@yahoogroups .com>, bizon586@yahoo. com,
> > > > naijaintellects@ yahoogroups. com, nidoa@yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 8:03 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Dominic:
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > > I know that you like to play tackle, but here is your response - from
> > > > Emmanuel Uzo Obi, who I had a PRIVATE discussion on Rosicrucianism of
> > Awo
> >
> > > > and Ige over an almost 1- or 2-week period.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > QUOTE
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Prof,
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > > Chief Obafemi Awolowo DID NOT commit suicide and how else can I make
> > it
> > > > clear? I say this because of his level of spiritual and mystical
> > development
> > > > and as a very advanced and powerful mystic at the time he passed
> > through
> > > > transition (died).At his level of mystical development he had deep
> > insight
> > > > to know when his incarnation was to end.He also knew the grave karmic
> > > > consequences of suicide and would have even opted for a second term in
> > > > prison rather than commit suicide.He wrote his funeral program as was
> > > > disclosed in the papers and I am not surprised thathe even named the
> > type of
> > > > music that should be played when his body was brought into the church
> > "The
> > > > trumpet shall sound".How many people have the courage to go that far?
> > People
> > > > who commit suicide are cowards and certainly Awo who reached a level
> > that
> > > > few humans ever attained in one life time.
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > > "The spirit of man knows no barriers and it can be projected beyond
> > > > prison walls" These were the words spoken by the great sage at the
> > > > pre-sentencing phase of his trial.He went on to say he had no concern
> > for
> > > > his incaceration but that his imprisonment might to harm to Nigeria for
> > the
> > > > reasons he very clearly outlined.So for this lunatic to now claim Awo
> > was
> > > > scared of prison and decided to take his life instead is ludicruous.
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > > "The heart of man is desperately wicked" Jeremiah 17:9
> > > > > Â
> > > > > UNQUOTE
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Bolaji Aluko
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> >

> > > > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Dominic Ogbonna summadom@...

> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "You and I have discussed this matter privately and extensively over
> > Bola
> > > > Ige's death a while back - not suicide, but Rosicrucianism when you
> > objected
> > > > to a reference that I made to that order in respect to Bola Ige."
> > -Bolaji
> > > > Aluko
> > > > >
> > > > > So you did not discuss suicide. What did you discuss was
> > ROSICRUCIANISM
> > > > -in PRIVATE. Can you please tell this audience the connection between
> > > > Rosicrucianism and the the matter at hand ??Â
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise, why is a your private conversations about RosicrucianismÂ
> > > > even coming up at all ???Â
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dominic
> > > > > *** Shaking his head ***
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Mobolaji ALUKO alukome@gmail. com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Emmanuel Uzo Obi:
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > > As a fellow Rosicrucian, you know that Awo would NEVER commit
> > suicide, so
> > > > you should come out and say so CLEARLY and not waffle. You and I have
> >
> > > > discussed this matter privately and extensively over Bola Ige's death a
> > > > while back - not suicide, but Rosicrucianism when you objected to a
> > > > reference that I made to that order in respect to Bola Ige.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > There you have it....
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > > Bolaji Aluko
> > > > > Shaking his head
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> >

> > > > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Emmanuel U. Obi bizon586@...

> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â This account is fiction and written by an amateur fiction
> > writer.First
> >
> > > > of,25 years is silver jubilee and not golden jubilee. Given Babangida's
> > > > antecedents would one really believe he did not arrest Awolowo but gave
> > him
> > > > the option to stand trial or go into exile?With all his wealth that
> > this
> > > > fiction writer alluded to ,and then his international connections
> > wouldn't
> > > > that have made Awolowo more powerful and more likely to succeed in
> > the
> >
> > > > alleged bid to force IBB from power if he went on exile?
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > > Today,the news is LKJ betrayed Awo and that's why he is being
> > sidelined
> > > > by the Awo dynasty.But some years ago it was becasue it was discovered
> > LKJ
> > > > was not originally Yoruba.This fiction writer then attacks Awo's source
> > of
> > > > wealth in a manner that suggests the writer either has a pecunairy
> > motive or
> > > > political motivation.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > The fact of the matter is that Awo is still an enigma even almost
> > 25
> >
> > > > years after his transition.Given the man's depth of spiritual insight
> > and
> > > > development, suicide is out of the question. I recall his last birthday
> > > > celebration when he declared that what he was celebrating was the
> > imminence
> > > > of his transition and then he went on and for those of us who
> > understood the
> > > > spiritual significance of his speech,it was a most profound speech.He
> > even
> > > > went as far as promising a certain amount for anyone who could produce
> > the
> > > > book by Raymond Moody.Even his pre-sentencing speech during the
> > treasonable
> > > > felony trial revealed the depth of his spiritual insight and
> > development. Or
> > > > do I point to the disclosures of the prison warder assigned to his cell
> > in a
> > > > tribute to the great sage?If I recall correctly,that was an Ogidi man.

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> > > > disclosed this to his disciples and they never tried to ferry him
> > across
> > > > through the borders?
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > > The only credible account about the brush Awolowo had with the
> > military
> > > > junta was given by Wole Soyinka in his book.The soldiers invade his
> > Apapa
> > > > residence in search of documents relating to the missing $2.8 million
> > at the
> > > > Petroluem ministry where Buhari(my man) :):) was at the helm of
> > affairs.
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > > As for the fiction,the writer would get a grade of D from me and he
> > > > doesn't qualify for the comments 'nice try".
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How Awolowo committed suicide
> > > > >
> > > > > By Abdulmumini Adeku
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Late Chief Obafemi Awolowo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > > Twenty â€"three years after he suddenly was reported dead of
> > natural
> >
> > > > cause and two years shy of his golden jubilee , facts are now emerging
> > on
> > > > the reasons that led to First and Second Republic political
> > heavyweight
> > > > ,Late Chief Obafemi Awolowo committing suicide
> > > > > It was learned that he did it to stem the tide of a possible
> > military
> >
> > > > court martial into an insurrection he was planning to lead alongside
> > his
> > > > political associates at the time when it became evident that then
> > Military
> > > > President ,General Ibrahim Babangida was intending staying in power
> > forever.
> > > > > In a no-hold barred interview with FS Online recently,a grass root
> > > > politician ,Mr Adebayo Adeyinka who lives within the College RoadÂ
> > at
> > > > Ifako-Ijaiye axis in Ogba ,a suburb of Lagos, Nigeria was livid with
> > rage
> >
> > > > when he learned that a key politician connected to the issue was
> > denying the
> > > > incident.
> > > > > He revealed that Chief Awolowo wanted to lead some kind of guerilla
> > > > warfare or militant campaign against the government of President
> > > > Babangida so that he can be overthrown through a popular or people
> > -led
> > > > putsch.
> > > > > According to him , the Elder Statesman summoned a meeting of his
> > core
> > > > loyalists over the issue and this was even filmed so as toÂ
> > strengthen
> > > > the extent of commitment of each of the politician that attended
> > the
> >
> > > > meeting..
> > > > > He pointed out that however unknown to all of those who were privy to
> > > > this meeting and clarion call , Chief Lateef Kayode Jakande ,Former
> > > > Executive Governor of Lagos State had a different plan as he
> > betrayed Â
> > > > them to the military .
> > > > > He Said:’ But unknown to them , Chief Jakande was planning to
> > betray
> > > > them, he went to President Ibrahim Babangida and promptly showed him
> > the
> > > > tape
> > > > > â€Å"Papa Awolowo was invited for a meeting with President
> > Ibrahim
> > > > Babangida who was then staying at Dodan Barracks which was the seat
> > of
> > > > power as at then and the truth of his clandestine meetings was
> > revealed to
> > > > him by the gap â€"toothed General
> > > > > â€Å"He gave Papa some options and that was for him to be ready
> > to face a
> >
> > > > court martial , be ready to go to a prison or better still go on exile
> > > > > â€Å"At this stage Papa felt instead of allowing some ambitious
> > khaki boy
> > > > to mess him up he should just pack it in and call it a day ,so Chief
> > > > Awolowo decide to commit suicide so as to save himself from the
> >
> > > > ignominy of going to prison for the second time in his lifetime .
> > > > > â€Å"But before he did this he called his core loyalists for a
> > meeting
> >
> > > > ,before then he had called up Late Chief Bola Ige [Cicero],since the
> > latter
> > > > had a very strong understanding of the Hausa Language having had his
> > > > formative years as a young man in Kaduna but discovered that the late
> > > > Esa-Oke strongman  was innocent after he was interrogated by Papa
> > > > > â€Å"He called others for enquiries while asking them to tender the
> > video
> > > > cassettes of the meeting they all attended to discuss the plans to
> > > > topple President Babangida for examination ,at this juncture Chief
> > Jakande
> > > > developed a cold feet as he could not produce his own copy of the
> > video
> >
> > > > which was freely distributed to all that was present at the meeting
> > > > previously before the betrayal and that was how the cat was let out of
> > the
> > > > bag
> > > > > â€Å"So he cursed him at this point  and pointed out that heÂ
> > Â will
> >
> > > > never have any form of relevance politically as far as Nigeria was
> > concerned
> > > > and till today members of the Awolowo Dynasty avoids him like a plague.
> > > > > â€Å"I was their when the letter he wrote to the family to beg
> > them for
> >
> > > > forgiveness over the unfortunate incident was read in the presence of
> > all
> > > > present ,if he continues to deny I am ready to confront him publicly
> > again
> > > > on the same issue as I can even remember that elders asked him to
> > go to
> >
> > > > the grave of the late sage to plead for forgiveness
> > > > > â€Å"When he was questioned he lied that the National Security
> > Organization
> >
> > > > now State Security Services had visited his house to check on him and
> > in the
> > > > process took the tape in question but� Awoists� knew that
> > this was a
> > > > very weak argument as he did not inform their political group of this
> >
> > > > development before their enquiry on the subject
> > > > > â€Å"That was how Senator Abraham Adesanya assumed the
> > leadership of
> >
> > > > the Awolowo camp of Yoruba politics after the demise of the man ,he was
> > not
> > > > even so close to Awolowo during his lifetime like Chief Jakande and
> > that was
> > > > why many called him Baba Kekere on account of this cosy relationship
> > > > > â€Å"Before he gave up the ghost , he said his prayers and then
> > took the
> > > > poison which killed him almost immediately but the public was not
> > fully
> > > > aware as they were given a different account of what happened.
> > > > > â€Å"We were simply told that he died  while he was brushing
> > his teethÂ
> >
> > > > in his bathroom at his Park Lane,Apapa residence here in Lagos
> > > > > â€Å"He was stupendously wealthy during his lifetime, infactÂ
> > there isÂ
> > > > know company at Oba Akran in Ikeja ,Lagos where he does not have at
> > > > least a five percent equity, Dideolu Court in Ogba alone cannot be
> > valued
> >
> > > > at less than N10 Billion ,that was the place that he had in mind to be
> > his
> > > > Seat of power if he was elected as Nigeria’s President.
> > > > > ‘He owned Shonibare Estate but the man he was using as a
> > front andÂ
> >
> > > > who later went to prison over some issues which Awolowo himself was
> > privy
> > > > to eventually laid claim to the estate.
> > > > > â€Å"He got all of this wealth due to a great measure of
> > goodwill and
> > > > tax waivers he gave to investors whenever they come to establishÂ
> > their
> > > > business.
> > > > > â€Å"Anytime you buy a bottle of Coca-Cola you are enriching the
> > Awolowo
> >
> > > > Dynasty ,go to Ijebu Ikenne and you will discover that the price of a
> > bag
> > > > cement there is different from other parts of the nation due to theÂ
> >
> > > > subsidy that the citizens enjoy on account of Awolowo who was their son
> > and
> > > > I hope you know that West African Portland Cement is in Ewekoro and not
> > > > Ikenne.
> > > > > â€Å"On account of this great betrayal Awolowo family members
> > regard the
> > > > â€Å"Awoist� as a group people should deal with using a long
> > spoon till this
> > > > day and this explains why when The Peoples Democratic Party
> > GovernmentÂ
> >
> > > > gave some of them political appointment lately they accepted it without
> > > > thinking twice.
> > > > > â€Å"Dr Tokunbo Awolowo-Dosunmu was made an Ambassador by Former
> > President
> > > > Olusegun Obasanjo while , Mr Segun Awolowo Jnr was given a plum job
> > at the
> >
> > > > Federal Capital Territory in Abuja as a Secretary.
> > > > > â€Å"Recently when Afenifere was disintegrating Mama out of
> > concern for
> > > > her husband’s legacies decided to call a truce because as she
> > puts it
> >
> > > > then, she did not know what she was going to tell her husband the day
> > they
> > > > meet in heaven
> > > > > â€Å"He made Sijuwade rich , because he was his business
> > associate and
> >
> > > > in fact some of us held very strong views that he was one of his fronts
> > and
> > > > later the same man became the Ooni of Ife�he added
> > > > > Mr Adebayo Adeyinka  recalled his several years of following
> > grass
> >
> > > > root politics right from the days of Action Group to the Unity Party of
> > > > Nigerian era in the second republic but now lamented that he had since
> > lost
> > > > all interest in partisan politics due to the massive corruption in our
> > > > polity.
> > > > > He listed such blue chips like Dunlop Nigeria Plc ,Guinness Nigeria
> > Plc,
> > > > Neimeth Pharmaceutical Nigeria Plc ,May and Baker Nigeria PlcÂ
> > ,Vitafoam
> > > > Nigeria Plc ,Wahum Nigeria Limited ,CAP Nigeria Plc ,
> > International
> > > > Paints of West Africa [IPWA], Berger Paints Nigeria Plc ,Berec
> > Nigeria
> > > > Limited ,Kabelmetal, Nigeria Bottling Company Plc ,Leventis Nigera
> > Plc
> >
> > > > ,West African Portland Cement Company,[Lafarge ],Wema Bank Nigeria Plc,
> > Scoa
> > > > Nigeria Plc ,CFAO Nigeria Plc, Cadbury Nigeria Plc ,Wemaboard Estates,
> > > > Odu’A Group, Livestock Feeds Nigeria Plc , Nigerian Breweries
> > Plc as
> >
> > > > places the Awolowo family have commercial interest to mention just a
> > few.
> > > > > Apart from this stocks analysts believe that the most visible of
> > his
> > > > investment ,The Nigerian Tribune Newspapers cannot be valued atÂ
> > less
> > > > than N100billion today in terms of brand evaluation as Thisday
> > Newspapers
> >
> > > > was valued by the Owner ,.Mr Nduka Obaigbena at N200 Billion recently
> > during
> > > > a media chart while celebrating his fiftieth birthday sometimes last
> > year.
> > > > > Late Chief Obafemi Awolowo was a leader who believed that the state
> > > > should channel Nigeria’s resources into education and state
> > â€"led
> >
> > > > infrastructural development.
> > > > > At his own expense albeit controversially ,he introduced the free
> > primary
> > > > education for all of the Western Region ,he equally established the
> > first
> >
> > > > television service in Africa in 1959 and expanded electrification
> > projects
> > > > in the region using the proceeds from the highly lucrative Cocoa export
> > > > industry.
> > > > > The Cocoa House in Ibadan regarded by many as one of the major
> > landmarks
> > > > of Nigeria’s architectural history was built as a result of his
> > economic
> >
> > > > blueprint which was targeted towards the emancipation of his people
> > from
> > > > poverty
> > > > > He built the first stadium in West Africa , the Liberty Stadium
> > ,Ibadan
> > > > and he coined the name â€Å"Naira â€Å"for Nigeria’s
> > official currency ,it was
> > > > previously called Nigerian Pounds.
> > > > > During the 1970’s ,he was very critical of Nigeria’s
> > military
> > > > expenditure insisting that more should be spent on development
> >
> > > > > He ran a free health care programme for children up till the age of
> > > > eighteen years .
> > > > > On his death on the 9th of May,1987 as a mark of respect for his
> > legacies
> > > > ,The University Of Ile-Ife which ironically he helped to build as
> > Premier
> >
> > > > of the Old Western Nigeria was re-named in his honour as part of a post
> > > > humous celebration of his life and times.
> > > > > His portraits adorn public places in Nigeria especially in his native
> > > > Yoruba land where he is seen as an icon.
> > > > > His picture also adorn Nigeria’s one hundred naira note.
> >
> > > > > He has been described surprisingly by some of his greatest critics
> > and
> > > > even political opponents as probably the Best President Nigeria never
> > had.
> > > > > He struck a chord with the womenfolk during his lifetime when in a
> > rare
> > > > show of public affection for his wife of several years, Chief Mrs
> > Hannah
> > > > Dideolu Awolowo told the world that the woman was his jewel of
> > inestimable
> > > > value.
> > > > > How right or prophetic he was because his wife has continued to
> > > > strengthen the mileage of the husband’s name even in death.
> >
> > > > > During an exclusive interview with FS Online at his Ilupeju home in
> > Lagos
> > > > last year, Chief Lateef Jakande upon being probed with questions over
> > his
> > > > relationship with Late Chief Obafemi Awolowo on account of what feelers
> > were
> > > > suggesting had denied that they had a bad relationship shortly before
> > his
> >
> > > > death.
> > > > > He insisted that those that said that they had any problems between
> > them
> > > > prior to Chief Awolowo’s death were not been honest as they
> > were all
> > > > telling lies.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How Awolowo committed suicide
> > > > >
> > > > > By Abdulmumini Adeku
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Late Chief Obafemi Awolowo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Twenty â€"three years after he suddenly was reported dead of
> > natural
> >
> > > > cause and two years shy of his golden jubilee , facts are now emerging
> > on
> > > > the reasons that led to First and Second Republic political
> > heavyweight
> > > > ,Late Chief Obafemi Awolowo committing suicide
> > > > > It was learned that he did it to stem the tide of a possible
> > military
> >
> > > > court martial into an insurrection he was planning to lead alongside
> > his
> > > > political associates at the time when it became evident that then
> > Military
> > > > President ,General Ibrahim Babangida was intending staying in power
> > forever.
> > > > > In a no-hold barred interview with FS Online recently,a grass root
> > > > politician ,Mr Adebayo Adeyinka who lives within the College RoadÂ
> > at
> > > > Ifako-Ijaiye axis in Ogba ,a suburb of Lagos, Nigeria was livid with
> > rage
> >
> > > > when he learned that a key politician connected to the issue was
> > denying the
> > > > incident.
> > > > > He revealed that Chief Awolowo wanted to lead some kind of guerilla
> > > > warfare or militant campaign against the government of President
> > > > Babangida so that he can be overthrown through a popular or people
> > -led
> > > > putsch.
> > > > > According to him , the Elder Statesman summoned a meeting of his
> > core
> > > > loyalists over the issue and this was even filmed so as toÂ
> > strengthen
> > > > the extent of commitment of each of the politician that attended
> > the
> >
> > > > meeting..
> > > > > He pointed out that however unknown to all of those who were privy to
> > > > this meeting and clarion call , Chief Lateef Kayode Jakande ,Former
> > > > Executive Governor of Lagos State had a different plan as he
> > betrayed Â
> > > > them to the military .
> > > > > He Said:’ But unknown to them , Chief Jakande was planning to
> > betray
> > > > them, he went to President Ibrahim Babangida and promptly showed him
> > the
> > > > tape
> > > > > â€Å"Papa Awolowo was invited for a meeting with President
> > Ibrahim
> > > > Babangida who was then staying at Dodan Barracks which was the seat
> > of
> > > > power as at then and the truth of his clandestine meetings was
> > revealed to
> > > > him by the gap â€"toothed General
> > > > > â€Å"He gave Papa some options and that was for him to be ready
> > to face a
> >
> > > > court martial , be ready to go to a prison or better still go on exile
> > > > > â€Å"At this stage Papa felt instead of allowing some ambitious
> > khaki boy
> > > > to mess him up he should just pack it in and call it a day ,so Chief
> > > > Awolowo decide to commit suicide so as to save himself from the
> >
> > > > ignominy of going to prison for the second time in his lifetime .
> > > > > â€Å"But before he did this he called his core loyalists for a
> > meeting
> >
> > > > ,before then he had called up Late Chief Bola Ige [Cicero],since the
> > latter
> > > > had a very strong understanding of the Hausa Language having had his
> > > > formative years as a young man in Kaduna but discovered that the late
> > > > Esa-Oke strongman  was innocent after he was interrogated by Papa
> > > > > â€Å"He called others for enquiries while asking them to tender the
> > video
> > > > cassettes of the meeting they all attended to discuss the plans to
> > > > topple President Babangida for examination ,at this juncture Chief
> > Jakande
> > > > developed a cold feet as he could not produce his own copy of the
> > video
> >
> > > > which was freely distributed to all that was present at the meeting
> > > > previously before the betrayal and that was how the cat was let out of
> > the
> > > > bag
> > > > > â€Å"So he cursed him at this point  and pointed out that heÂ
> > Â will
> >
> > > > never have any form of relevance politically as far as Nigeria was
> > concerned
> > > > and till today members of the Awolowo Dynasty avoids him like a plague.
> > > > > â€Å"I was their when the letter he wrote to the family to beg
> > them for
> >
> > > > forgiveness over the unfortunate incident was read in the presence of
> > all
> > > > present ,if he continues to deny I am ready to confront him publicly
> > again
> > > > on the same issue as I can even remember that elders asked him to
> > go to
> >
> > > > the grave of the late sage to plead for forgiveness
> > > > > â€Å"When he was questioned he lied that the National Security
> > Organization
> >
> > > > now State Security Services had visited his house to check on him and
> > in the
> > > > process took the tape in question but� Awoists� knew that
> > this was a
> > > > very weak argument as he did not inform their political group of this
> >
> > > > development before their enquiry on the subject
> > > > > â€Å"That was how Senator Abraham Adesanya assumed the
> > leadership of
> >
> > > > the Awolowo camp of Yoruba politics after the demise of the man ,he was
> > not
> > > > even so close to Awolowo during his lifetime like Chief Jakande and
> > that was
> > > > why many called him Baba Kekere on account of this cosy relationship
> > > > > â€Å"Before he gave up the ghost , he said his prayers and then
> > took the
> > > > poison which killed him almost immediately but the public was not
> > fully
> > > > aware as they were given a different account of what happened.
> > > > > â€Å"We were simply told that he died  while he was brushing
> > his teethÂ
> >
> > > > in his bathroom at his Park Lane,Apapa residence here in Lagos
> > > > > â€Å"He was stupendously wealthy during his lifetime, infactÂ
> > there isÂ
> > > > know company at Oba Akran in Ikeja ,Lagos where he does not have at
> > > > least a five percent equity, Dideolu Court in Ogba alone cannot be
> > valued
> >
> > > > at less than N10 Billion ,that was the place that he had in mind to be
> > his
> > > > Seat of power if he was elected as Nigeria’s President.
> > > > > ‘He owned Shonibare Estate but the man he was using as a
> > front andÂ
> >
> > > > who later went to prison over some issues which Awolowo himself was
> > privy
> > > > to eventually laid claim to the estate.
> > > > > â€Å"He got all of this wealth due to a great measure of
> > goodwill and
> > > > tax waivers he gave to investors whenever they come to establishÂ
> > their
> > > > business.
> > > > > â€Å"Anytime you buy a bottle of Coca-Cola you are enriching the
> > Awolowo
> >
> > > > Dynasty ,go to Ijebu Ikenne and you will discover that the price of a
> > bag
> > > > cement there is different from other parts of the nation due to theÂ
> >
> > > > subsidy that the citizens enjoy on account of Awolowo who was their son
> > and
> > > > I hope you know that West African Portland Cement is in Ewekoro and not
> > > > Ikenne.
> > > > > â€Å"On account of this great betrayal Awolowo family members
> > regard the
> > > > â€Å"Awoist� as a group people should deal with using a long
> > spoon till this
> > > > day and this explains why when The Peoples Democratic Party
> > GovernmentÂ
> >
> > > > gave some of them political appointment lately they accepted it without
> > > > thinking twice.
> > > > > â€Å"Dr Tokunbo Awolowo-Dosunmu was made an Ambassador by Former
> > President
> > > > Olusegun Obasanjo while , Mr Segun Awolowo Jnr was given a plum job
> > at the
> >
> > > > Federal Capital Territory in Abuja as a Secretary.
> > > > > â€Å"Recently when Afenifere was disintegrating Mama out of
> > concern for
> > > > her husband’s legacies decided to call a truce because as she
> > puts it
> >
> > > > then, she did not know what she was going to tell her husband the day
> > they
> > > > meet in heaven
> > > > > â€Å"He made Sijuwade rich , because he was his business
> > associate and
> >
> > > > in fact some of us held very strong views that he was one of his fronts
> > and
> > > > later the same man became the Ooni of Ife�he added
> > > > > Mr Adebayo Adeyinka  recalled his several years of following
> > grass
> >
> > > > root politics right from the days of Action Group to the Unity Party of
> > > > Nigerian era in the second republic but now lamented that he had since
> > lost
> > > > all interest in partisan politics due to the massive corruption in our
> > > > polity.
> > > > > He listed such blue chips like Dunlop Nigeria Plc ,Guinness Nigeria
> > Plc,
> > > > Neimeth Pharmaceutical Nigeria Plc ,May and Baker Nigeria PlcÂ
> > ,Vitafoam
> > > > Nigeria Plc ,Wahum Nigeria Limited ,CAP Nigeria Plc ,
> > International
> > > > Paints of West Africa [IPWA], Berger Paints Nigeria Plc ,Berec
> > Nigeria
> > > > Limited ,Kabelmetal, Nigeria Bottling Company Plc ,Leventis Nigera
> > Plc
> >
> > > > ,West African Portland Cement Company,[Lafarge ],Wema Bank Nigeria Plc,
> > Scoa
> > > > Nigeria Plc ,CFAO Nigeria Plc, Cadbury Nigeria Plc ,Wemaboard Estates,
> > > > Odu’A Group, Livestock Feeds Nigeria Plc , Nigerian Breweries
> > Plc as
> >
> > > > places the Awolowo family have commercial interest to mention just a
> > few.
> > > > > Apart from this stocks analysts believe that the most visible of
> > his
> > > > investment ,The Nigerian Tribune Newspapers cannot be valued atÂ
> > less
> > > > than N100billion today in terms of brand evaluation as Thisday
> > Newspapers
> >
> > > > was valued by the Owner ,.Mr Nduka Obaigbena at N200 Billion recently
> > during
> > > > a media chart while celebrating his fiftieth birthday sometimes last
> > year.
> > > > > Late Chief Obafemi Awolowo was a leader who believed that the state
> > > > should channel Nigeria’s resources into education and state
> > â€"led
> >
> > > > infrastructural development.
> > > > > At his own expense albeit controversially ,he introduced the free
> > primary
> > > > education for all of the Western Region ,he equally established the
> > first
> >
> > > > television service in Africa in 1959 and expanded electrification
> > projects
> > > > in the region using the proceeds from the highly lucrative Cocoa export
> > > > industry.
> > > > > The Cocoa House in Ibadan regarded by many as one of the major
> > landmarks
> > > > of Nigeria’s architectural history was built as a result of his
> > economic
> >
> > > > blueprint which was targeted towards the emancipation of his people
> > from
> > > > poverty
> > > > > He built the first stadium in West Africa , the Liberty Stadium
> > ,Ibadan
> > > > and he coined the name â€Å"Naira â€Å"for Nigeria’s
> > official currency ,it was
> > > > previously called Nigerian Pounds.
> > > > > During the 1970’s ,he was very critical of Nigeria’s
> > military
> > > > expenditure insisting that more should be spent on development
> >
> > > > > He ran a free health care programme for children up till the age of
> > > > eighteen years .
> > > > > On his death on the 9th of May,1987 as a mark of respect for his
> > legacies
> > > > ,The University Of Ile-Ife which ironically he helped to build as
> > Premier
> >
> > > > of the Old Western Nigeria was re-named in his honour as part of a post
> > > > humous celebration of his life and times.
> > > > > His portraits adorn public places in Nigeria especially in his native
> > > > Yoruba land where he is seen as an icon.
> > > > > His picture also adorn Nigeria’s one hundred naira note.
> >
> > > > > He has been described surprisingly by some of his greatest critics
> > and
> > > > even political opponents as probably the Best President Nigeria never
> > had.
> > > > > He struck a chord with the womenfolk during his lifetime when in a
> > rare
> > > > show of public affection for his wife of several years, Chief Mrs
> > Hannah
> > > > Dideolu Awolowo told the world that the woman was his jewel of
> > inestimable
> > > > value.
> > > > > How right or prophetic he was because his wife has continued to
> > > > strengthen the mileage of the husband’s name even in death.
> >
> > > > > During an exclusive interview with FS Online at his Ilupeju home in
> > Lagos
> > > > last year, Chief Lateef Jakande upon being probed with questions over
> > his
> > > > relationship with Late Chief Obafemi Awolowo on account of what feelers
> > were
> > > > suggesting had denied that they had a bad relationship shortly before
> > his
> >
> > > > death.
> > > > > He insisted that those that said that they had any problems between
> > them
> > > > prior to Chief Awolowo’s death were not been honest as they
> > were all
> > > > telling lies.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > >  Mazi Uzo Obi
> > > > > Â
> > > > > "whatsoever thou resolvest to do,do it now. Defer not till theÂ
> > evening
> > > > what the morning can accomplish"( Unto thee I grant the economy of
> > > > life,1978).
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Dominic,

What is your level of research on the subject? How much have you read about it by both sceptics and believers? Have you experimented with it yourself,perhaps every day for one year?

There was a time when there was no refrigeration and an English scholar died from the cold he caught while immersing an organic form in snow to see if it would be preserved.Many inventions and practices were believed to be impossible until they were realized through experiment.Those who will discover are those who explore not those who are waiting to be convinced.

On claims about unusual human powers I think it is crucial to both do scholarly research and experiment in a dedicated manner with oneself for a significant length of time.I observe that people are often content with doing only one of those two approaches or even neither.

thanks

toyin

On 3 June 2010 03:34, Dominic Ogbonna <summ...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Toyin:

Woow, that's a mouthful you have written. I am not sure I know enough to address most of it, but if anybody is able to travel astrally or travel into the future, that should be easy enough to confirm  or falsify. I have heard the claims ever since I was an undergraduate. I have read a few interesting books on the subject. But So far I have seen no tangible evidence that anybody can do such a thing. Until we see some reproducible evidence,  these tales are about as credible as UFO tales.


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Dominic,

thanks
toyin

> Dominic
>
>
>

> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:39 PM, toyin adepoju <
> toyin....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>

>> for intense spiritual activity,such as prayer and ritual,even a bed roomI

[toyin adepoju]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Emmanuel U. Obi <bizo...@yahoo.com>
Date: 3 June 2010 05:18
Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] [NaijaPolitics] Re: Rosicrucians and astral travel
To: naijain...@googlegroups.com, nigeriaworld <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com>

Toyin, I admire the depth of your research into some of the mysteries of nature.Yes AMORC members are generally conservative.Yes projection of consciousness is not astral travel and it could be used for a variety of purposes including healing and rescuing people in danger.It cannot be used to pipe into lottery numbers:) :).I became affiliated with that great order at the age 18 years and during my national service when I had turned 21,I was attacked spiritually by an older man who had been to a babalawo over a young girl he wanted and thought it was his right.I don't want to explain here what happened but he was lucky to survive the encounter as he later came to apologise.Rosicrucians are so obssessed with peace and then light ,life and love.On Attueyi and christianity,I hope to write a book which will focus on the question if rosicrucianism and freemasonry are compatible with christianity.I will be writing as a devout christian and an insider of both fraternities.In orderwords,the book will be factual and not based on conjecture or speculation.   Toyin are you not amazed how folks in the US and Latin America have incorporated Ifa tradition into their worship? Santeria and the worship of the orishas are prevalent in these areas.And then we have this Palo Mayombe which slaves brought from congo.            Mazi  Uzo Obi   "whatsoever thou resolvest to do,do it now. Defer not till the evening what the morning can accomplish"(Unto thee I grant the economy of life,1978).           --- On Wed, 6/2/10, toyin adepoju <toyin....@googlemail.com> wrote:

[toyin adepoju]

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Thanks Emmanuel.Those people in the Americas are in a different class  compared to their relatives in Africa.For one thing,their ancestral religions represent their life line to their authentic identity from the time of slavery to the legal suppression of Black civil rights in the Jim Crow era to the present ongoing struggle for their basic humanity.Christianity was the religion of the oppressor which they merged with the traditions they brought from their Africa through the terrible Middle Passage where so many died in horrendous conditions.I understand they merged Christianity and their ancestral traditions from Yorubaland,Igbo land,Akan,Congo and other places because they were forbidden to practice their native religions beceause the slave masters forbade their practice of their native religions because those were sources of strength for the slaves.The fact that Christianity was the religion of the slavers would have worked against any argument that it was a superior religion.

I wonder though,to what degree  the African traditions in the US have developed an intellectual tradition and in this, learning from Christianity and its relationship with Western intellectual culture could be vital. Christianity provided the earliest and perhaps still the most influential cosmological framework in terms of which intellectual life was conducted,reacted against and re-emerging  in various contexts.The Africana world views are not simply means of worship and  magical means of fulfilling desires but are alternative conceptions of the nature of reality that can form the basis of a cognitive tradition.Sadly,most of the world has adopted wholesale the Western intellectual tradition.There is a need to examine other ways of understanding the universe.Africana,Asian and marginalised Western traditions could be vital in this.

thanks

toyin

On 3 June 2010 15:10, toyin adepoju <toyin....@googlemail.com> wrote:

On 3 June 2010 05:18, Emmanuel U. Obi <bizo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Toyin, I admire the depth of your research into some of the mysteries of nature.Yes AMORC members are generally conservative.Yes projection of consciousness is not astral travel and it could be used for a variety of purposes including healing and rescuing people in danger.It cannot be used to pipe into lottery numbers:) :).I became affiliated with that great order at the age 18 years and during my national service when I had turned 21,I was attacked spiritually by an older man who had been to a babalawo over a young girl he wanted and thought it was his right.I don't want to explain here what happened but he was lucky to survive the encounter as he later came to apologise.Rosicrucians are so obssessed with peace and then light ,life and love.On Attueyi and christianity,I hope to write a book which will focus on the question if rosicrucianism and freemasonry are compatible with christianity.I will be writing as a devout christian and an insider of both fraternities.In orderwords,the book will be factual and not based on conjecture or speculation.   Toyin are you not amazed how folks in the US and Latin America have incorporated Ifa tradition into their worship? Santeria and the worship of the orishas are prevalent in these areas.And then we have this Palo Mayombe which slaves brought from congo.            Mazi  Uzo Obi   "whatsoever thou resolvest to do,do it now. Defer not till the evening what the morning can accomplish"(Unto thee I grant the economy of life,1978).           --- On Wed, 6/2/10, toyin adepoju <toyin....@googlemail.com> wrote:

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