Time for an iPhone/Touch version

[Andrew Janjigian]

After owning my first Touch for a few weeks, it is clear that Yojimbo
needs to be ported to this platform. (Yes, yes, I know this list is
not meant for paging BB support, but it is a YJ "Talk" list, and I
also know that BB people watch the list closely). It is a no brainer
that if a YJ user syncs her db over multiple machines, she'd want to
have it on the iPhone as well.

It would be great if in the long run it worked similarly to the
desktop version, syncing over the cloud, but in the meantime, I'd be
happy if it worked similarly to Things or 1Password, which now must be
synced to a copy on a local machine. It would be nice to edit a db in
real time from anywhere, but it is way more important to simply have
access to the db close at hand.

If BB is working on an iPhone version, it's also a no-brainer that
they'd want to let people know that this is the case. I'm not talking
about "feature requests" here, just a simply y/n. If the answer is
yes, then current and future customers would be happy, if the answer
was no, then it would give people an opportunity to shift to a more
versatile platform before committing more data or $$ to YJ.

Those who are interested in a workable if kludgy temporary solution, I
have resorted to exporting my entire db, and uploading it to my Touch
using AirSharing. No search, no tags, no organizing, but the files are
on there and readable.

My 2 cents,
Andrew

[Joshua Gray]

I agree it is needed an update would also be nice. I feel like I am
dealing with a second apple computers here and one is enough in my book.

[Scott J. Lopez]

i, for one, don't want yojimbo on my iphone. i've got thousands of
records, mostly PDF files saved straight to yojimbo. my database file
is huge. no way i want that content on my iphone.

as much as people beg for it, bare bones' policy is not to discuss
this matter on this email forum, even if they do read it. so
begging/ranting/demanding here is going to do you no good. if you
expect a response, email them directly.

for a list of contact email addresses see:

http://barebones.com/contact/

[Joshua Gray]

I agree I don't want my WHOLE database. I am a College student though
and my current notes would be nice to have on hand along with syllabuses

Joshua Gray
University Pittsburgh Student

[Scott J. Lopez]

have you looked into things like mobile finder, air share, etc? they
let you copy over the native files like .doc and .pdf and just view
them on your iphone.

[Joshua Gray]

yes I own both but all my notes go strait into yojimbo during class
and my OCR PDF scans go strait there too furthermore Im taking 18
credit hours and I have virtually no time to go and drag and drop
things around. I feel my whole database is too much but I feel an
iphone version with say lat 30 days syncs and maybe certain tagged
items.

[Andrew Janjigian]

i, for one, don't want yojimbo on my iphone. i've got thousands of
records, mostly PDF files saved straight to yojimbo. my database file
is huge. no way i want that content on my iphone.

My db is currently 700 records, and not so big that I wouldn't want it on my Touch. So some of us could make use of the platform, even if some might not. 

 as much as people beg for it, bare bones' policy is not to discuss
this matter on this email forum, even if they do read it. so
begging/ranting/demanding here is going to do you no good. if you
expect a response, email them directly.

Yeah, yeah. I've heard this before, ad infinitum. The way I see it, if anyone had asked BB for some hint of what they have in store for the future, we would have heard about it here. Since we haven't, emailing them directly doesn't do any more good than discussing it here, especially since they do read this list. Again, it is Yojimbo Talk, and I'm talking about Yojimbo. 

[Scott J. Lopez]

well. technically you're talking about future development for yojimbo.

you also need to understand this is a user discussion list for users.
never once has bare bones said they will provide technical or
non-technical support via this un-official form.

you also need to understand it is bare bones official policy (which
they have stated) not to comment on future development. they've said
it a number of times before. just because YOU are asking now they
aren't going to bend the rules. i know you're a student, but you have
to understand corporations have complex rules, obligations and laws
they need to follow when it comes to public disclosures on products,
development, company policies, etc. just take a look at how apple
handles "leaks". so, would you prefer bare bones to do what they are
supposed to and keep quiet, or waste money and time fending off
lawsuits because someone said something they shouldn't have?

as we have said on this list many times. if you like how yojimbo works
for you TODAY, then spend the money and purchase it. there is a
generous trial period. if you don't like how it works, here and now,
with the existing features it has, then don't buy it. no one forces
you to. if another product meets your needs, then, go buy it, raving
about it here isn't going to do you any good, only make you look like
a fool.

if anything, i wish we could assemble a FAQ that was sent to all new
subscribes on this list. making them aware of what this list is and
isn't for, and answering this all-too-often brought up topic..

[Andrew Janjigian]

Scott -

I'm not a student, and I have been a paid user of YJ and a member of this list for more than 2 years. I don't need a FAQ to know that discussing what works and does not work for me in the current version of the software is fair game for such a list. I wasn't asking for support of any kind, only expressing my desire for additional functionality. And, if you reread my initial post, I explained how I'm currently using the software along with a 3rd party app to get some of my db onto my Touch.

It is my experience as a member of this list as well as many others that far more hot air and bandwidth is wasted on telling list members what they should or should not discuss than on the discussions themselves. If I'm not interested in reading or participating in any particular exchange, usually the delete button is more than adequate.

Respectfully

Andrew

[Scott J. Lopez]

sorry. i got you confused with someone else in the thread..

yep, a lot of hot air is wasted making repeated requests, and telling
people that making such requests is a waste of hot air. a FAQ might
cut down on it all. however, i do try to be informative and tell
people where they should turn (contact BB directly) vs just flaming
them outright. i have no idea if you're a member of this list for 2
days or 2 years, and if you've been around that long then you should
know better.

[Scott J. Lopez]

Actually, it went on-list. And you're right, if you read the link you sent:

"Suitable topics include Yojimbo's use for collecting and retrieving
information for various tasks, questions about existing product
features, sharing AppleScripts, etc."

No where does it say:

Official support or commentary from Bare Bones staff
Feature requests
Requests for future versions for other platforms
Communication with Bare Bones staff

However if you go to the Bare Bones Software Contact page located at
<http://www.barebones.com/contact/index.html>.

You will see that all "Product-related feedback and questions, feature
requests, and problem reports" should be contacted via email to
"sup...@barebones.com" or use the Technical support contact form
located at <http://www.barebones.com/contact/technical.html>.

You might want to fight for your "right" to whine on this list, I'm
trying to point out where your requests/complains would be best
directed. Beg for an iPhone or nested sub-folders on here all you
want, the users on this list do not have the power to grant those
wishes, if you're serious about your complaints, send them to where
they will be properly filed, logged, tracked, managed and possibly
replied to by the people who wrote the software, not the end-users.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Andrew Janjigian <ajanj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Scott -
> In the interest of conserving hot air, I'm sending this offlist.

>
>>
>> , and if you've been around that long then you should
>> know better.
>

> In the absence of an official FAQ or set of list rules, the notion that
> discussion of future development of YJ and/or wish lists thereof is
> off-limits is false, and you should know better. In case you need a link:

[cubic....@fastmail.fm]

It's less about the FAQ and more about the likelihood of response (the
"unofficial" FAQ entries). If things posted to this list were proven
to get attention from BB staff, regardless of whether it was an
"official suggestions channel" or not, it would still be worthwhile
posting them.

However, they don't. It's not a good place to send suggestions. I'm
not sure what _is_, but it isn't here :)

Incidentally I don't give two hoots about an iPhone client; I don't
have an iPhone or iTouch and, despite appearances, actually not that
many Mac users do. I'd like a reliable Palm client personally (Yojimbo
support for Palm note syncing is just broken with current versions of
Missing Sync before anyone says anything, though that I imagine is not
BB's fault). I'd like proper smart folders before any of that.

[Andrew Janjigian]

Yes, my bad, it went to the list.

Anyhoo, I'm not sure where at any point during this exchange I was "whining" about or "begging" for anything. That is your reading into my words. In case i need to explain what I was up to more clearly, here it is: I was explaining how, as a YJ user, I imagined future functionality might look. Such discussion is as useful for other users to discuss as it is for BB support to contemplate, should they be interested.

And, nowhere does it list those additional topics, but "etc." is fairly inclusive.

Andrew

[Jacob Evans]

On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Andrew Janjigian wrote:

> It is my experience as a member of this list as well as many others
> that far more hot air and bandwidth is wasted on telling list
> members what they should or should not discuss than on the
> discussions themselves. If I'm not interested in reading or
> participating in any particular exchange, usually the delete button
> is more than adequate.

I++

Jacob