iCloud status update (February 5)

[Patrick Woolsey]

Good morning all, and I apologize for the long delay between updates.

We are still working on iCloud support, and will have more to say on the
subject soon.


Regards,

Patrick Woolsey
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Bare Bones Software, Inc. <http://www.barebones.com/>

[ittek]

Curious why the updates have always been rather vague. After this long I hoped to hear some more detail of why or wht exactly has been so difficult.

Is there any particular reason why you can't be more specific? The gory details I suppose would make a whole lot of sense, as I'm not a programmer but something beyond what we've been hearing.

[NovaScotian]

If what I've read about other apps is any indication, the problem with cloud syncing for any app is the possibility that the app might be open on two machines and only one of them can make any changes. Dropbox will let you do that, but then concurrent access will lead to multiple "conflict copies" in Dropbox and may well break your database. That's why you can't stick you ~/Library/Mail folder in Dropbox. At least Yojimbo warns you. Mail doesn't. Further, it would be nice if the Yojimbo warning included an offer to close the "other" copy but Mountain Lion security protocols make that impossible.

[Terry J Fundak]

Hey folks,

Please stop make excuses for why BB is not communicating well. They just are not and they are not saying why and frankly all the help in the world is not going to get them to open up apparently.

There is always another way or the app, Yojimbo,  should be re-engineer so there is a way. The sad reality for me is that I am silly confused as to whether I should talk to Apple because the issue ( whatever that problem is ) is on Apple's side or with BB because they are not able for whatever reason to figure it out…..

We are all just guessing and BB is keeping it that way and it is really frustrating.

Sometimes I think: "How about sending a REST "message" to your own server, BB when Yojimbo is connected"

And I send that suggestion to someone but in the end I am called out of line … oh sorry …. silly me, 

IMHO: Someone at BB is have a bad year or is not listening and doesn't want any help.

Terry

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[SSteve]

On Wednesday, February 6, 2013 1:54:21 PM UTC-8, ittek wrote:

Curious why the updates have always been rather vague. After this long I hoped to hear some more detail of why or wht exactly has been so difficult.

Is there any particular reason why you can't be more specific? The gory details I suppose would make a whole lot of sense, as I'm not a programmer but something beyond what we've been hearing.  

My guess (maybe it's more of a hope) is it's because they're working closely with Apple on the issues with Core Data syncing over iCloud. You know how Apple likes to keep everything secret. If Bare Bones revealed any details or pre-announced a release their relationship with Apple would suffer.

[SSteve]

On Thursday, February 7, 2013 12:49:57 PM UTC-8, Terry J Fundak wrote:

Hey folks,

Please stop make excuses for why BB is not communicating well. They just are not and they are not saying why and frankly all the help in the world is not going to get them to open up apparently.

There is always another way or the app, Yojimbo,  should be re-engineer so there is a way. The sad reality for me is that I am silly confused as to whether I should talk to Apple because the issue ( whatever that problem is ) is on Apple's side or with BB because they are not able for whatever reason to figure it out…..

That's easy to say when you're not in the middle of it, but if they're working on a solution that seems within reach I imagine it would pretty hard to just turn their back on it and start working on something else. Someday, Apple is going to have to get Core Data sync working over iCloud. It's too crucial to their (Apple's) future to allow it to continue not working.

[Alecos Papadatos]

1. Is the iCloud-sync delay due to the encryption issue? If yes, let's skip ecryption for now! 

2. Is there any other way to keep a sync between the Yojimbo databases between my iMac and my Mac laptop?

Thank you

A

[Bill]

1.  What encryption issue?  I don't ever see reference to an encryption issue?

2.  Yes.  You can use dropbox.  The process is documented on Bare Bones's web site.  Note there are some caveats about having it only open on one machine at a time.  And there are numerous threads here which discuss it.  You should have a regular and good backup plan if you go this route, but in general it works fairly well for reasonably sized databases (if you get up in the 500+ MB range, I've found sync can take quite a while).

[Alecos Papadatos]

Bill, thank you for answering. 

I will use Dropbox, In this case the iCloud is not necessary.

Re the encryption, it was a wrong thought of mine that the iCloud sync cannot be done, because in a Yojimbo database there are eventually some encrypted entries - and Apple do not accept that. I saw this on a website... 

Alecos

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[Ron Winckler]

Patrick,

I've been using DropBox w/Yojimbo, while it is a little bit of a kludge, it works. I appreciate the nastiness of trying to make it work with iCloud and look forward to the final, functional product. I use BBedit regularly, along with Yojimbo and am anxious for the sync capabilities to be completed. BB products are great, Yojimbo has become indispensable and, in my opinion, worth the wait. Good luck.

[ittek]

I've said it before: I would much rather BB take their time and release a well tested product that will effortlessly upgrade and sync my existing database than for them to hastily release a solution to appease the impatient. 

I mean, to do the latter would mean instant death for the product — myself among many others have invested a lot of time and effort into using Yojimbo and the problem seems to stem from Apple's technology not BB. They are not the first developer I've heard complain about Cloud Sync and core data. 

If you're tired of waiting, there are other options: the dropbox solution, evernote, whatever. I stand among those willing to wait it out because in spite of this long delay and technical chasm I have enjoyed using Yojimbo.

[Steve Hodgson]

This discussion has been interesting and has primarily focused on the case of users who previously synchronised through the MobileMe portal. I'm in a somewhat different position - a long-standing Yojimbo user with a new iPad. I previously did not need to sync but can now see the benefits of doing so.

I've considered the other applications available but am already more than happy with Yojimbo so don't want to change from a system that works for me. My concern is that at the moment it seems most prudent to do nothing, despite having an itch I would like to scratch now.

Cheers,

Steve

[Seth Elgart]

Steve,

For a somewhat specific definition of "sync" you can easily sync an iPad with a Mac. The limitations are basically that what ends up on your iPad is read-only. You can do whatever you want on your Mac, then run the Yojimbo app on your iPad and everything that's on your Mac will end up on your iPad. Works great. 

There are several caveats though. One is that it's wifi only. The Mac and the iPad have to be on the same wifi network for this to work. Another is that it's a one-way sync. It's Mac-to-iPad only. Third is that it's read-only on the iPad. You can't add or edit entries on the iPad. There may also be issues with encrypted entries but as I don't personally use them in Yojimbo I can't really comment on that.

So that's what I mean by limited. If you think of Yojimbo for iPad as a way to bring all your Yojimbo stuff with you when you leave the house it works great. If your intention is to have the exact same Yojimbo app on your iPad as you do on your Mac that's not really how it works.

So for me it works great. If my girlfriend sends me a recipe I can throw it into Yojimbo and then it's on my iPad when she asks me if I remember how to make it. If that will fit your needs it's a great solution and it's ready right now. If you need two-way full-sync capabilities though, that's a somewhat different discussion.

Seth