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Ilija Brunck

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May 23, 2011, 6:02:35 PM5/23/11
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Hi all,


We are happy to release our latest short Loom online.

You can find it here:
http://www.polynoid.tv/loom


All 3D is done in Softimage with heavy use of ICE. We finished the Film early 2010 after one year of production.


We hope you like the clip.


Cheers,
Ilija



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Paulo César Duarte

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May 23, 2011, 6:09:17 PM5/23/11
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Wow, Amazing... What is the render engine?

Cheers.
Paulo C. Duarte

2011/5/23 Ilija Brunck <il...@polynoid.org>

Eric Thivierge

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May 23, 2011, 6:20:47 PM5/23/11
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Holy crap! That is amazing work!

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2011/5/23 Paulo César Duarte <pauloc...@gmail.com>

Nic Groot Bluemink

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May 23, 2011, 6:32:15 PM5/23/11
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Whoa there. This is just unreal. Well done guys.

-Nic
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Juhani Karlsson

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May 23, 2011, 6:43:43 PM5/23/11
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Well it looks like 1 year production!
So much coolness there!

- Juhani

2011/5/24 Nic Groot Bluemink <nicgroot...@gmail.com>

Craig Vrankovich

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May 23, 2011, 8:10:03 PM5/23/11
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This would have to be the best animated short i have ever watched. Crank up the headphones. Well done guys.

Amaan Akram

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May 24, 2011, 2:41:04 AM5/24/11
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absolutely amazing. I am full of envy :)

Thomas Helzle

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May 24, 2011, 4:04:54 AM5/24/11
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Ilija,

congratulations to you and the team - polynoid never ceases to amaze me!
So brilliant...

Cheers!

Thomas

On 24 May 2011 08:41, Amaan Akram <xsi...@warpedspace.org> wrote:
> absolutely amazing. I am full of envy :)
>
> On 24 May 2011 01:10, Craig Vrankovich <kiwim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This would have to be the best animated short i have ever watched. Crank
>> up the headphones. Well done guys.
>>
>> From: Nic Groot Bluemink
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:32 AM
>> To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
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>>
>> Whoa there. This is just unreal. Well done guys.
>>
>> -Nic
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Eric Thivierge <ethiv...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Holy crap! That is amazing work!
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> Eric Thivierge
>>> Technical Director
>>> http://www.ethivierge.com
>>>
>>>

>>> 2011/5/23 Paulo C�sar Duarte <pauloc...@gmail.com>

Tim Leydecker

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May 24, 2011, 4:37:34 AM5/24/11
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Hi guys,


is it possible to exchange particle cache data between Blender and Softimage?

I�m playing with Blender�s Smoke effect and wonder if it would be possible
to transfer the underlying particle motion over to Softimage (ICE)?

That would be nice.

Cheers


tim

P.S: The blender voxel smoke is really nice. Even if navigating through Blender
takes away a solid amount of the speed gained from not using Maya fluid effects :-)

Ciaran Moloney

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May 24, 2011, 5:43:32 AM5/24/11
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Having never used Blender, I could be talking nonsense, but if you say that it's voxel based smoke then there probably aren't any underlying particles. Parhaps you could advect some particels throught the fluid in Blender and export as Realflow .bin to bring them into Soft.

If you want to render the fluids directly in Soft, Holger is working on a fluid volume shader that will support many formats, perhaps including whatever blender uses....

Ciaran

Adam Seeley

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May 24, 2011, 5:58:16 AM5/24/11
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Outstanding, art meets CG.

Hope you recieve all the recognition you deserve for it.

Adam Seeley

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Hi all,


Cheers,
Ilija

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Robert Chapman

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May 24, 2011, 6:13:12 AM5/24/11
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very good! Original idea and innovate approach, enjoyed this, thanks
for posting

Andi Farhall

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May 24, 2011, 6:26:39 AM5/24/11
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Bravo, excellent work all round.

 

 

cheers,

 

Andi.

 

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ilija Brunck
Sent: 23 May 2011 23:03
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Subject: polynoid Loom online

 

Hi all,

Ciaran Moloney

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May 24, 2011, 6:46:25 AM5/24/11
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Awesome and inspiring stuff! Well done to all.

Tim Leydecker

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May 24, 2011, 7:12:41 AM5/24/11
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hey Ciaran,

blender seems to use particles, at least to some extend in terms
of emission, i haven�t fully grasped it yet, am just playing with
it since this morning but am really liking the wavelet/fft detail
and the ogl display. captured that first and was happy already...

your particle stuff is great, btw:

http://vimeo.com/17545128

like that alot, cool what you�ve done there, it looks lovely&detailed!

cheers

tim

Dan Yargici

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May 24, 2011, 7:39:36 AM5/24/11
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My understanding is that the particles just inject velocities and density into the voxel solver.  They would be entirely useless in Softimage - Holger's shader will be the missing piece you're after IMO...

DAN.


On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Tim Leydecker <baue...@gmx.de> wrote:
hey Ciaran,

blender seems to use particles, at least to some extend in terms
of emission, i haven愒 fully grasped it yet, am just playing with

it since this morning but am really liking the wavelet/fft detail
and the ogl display. captured that first and was happy already...

your particle stuff is great, btw:

http://vimeo.com/17545128

like that alot, cool what you扉e done there, it looks lovely&detailed!


cheers

tim




On 24.05.2011 11:43, Ciaran Moloney wrote:
Having never used Blender, I could be talking nonsense, but if you say that
it's voxel based smoke then there probably aren't any underlying particles.
Parhaps you could advect some particels throught the fluid in Blender and
export as Realflow .bin to bring them into Soft.

If you want to render the fluids directly in Soft, Holger is working on a
fluid volume shader that will support many formats, perhaps including
whatever blender uses....

Ciaran

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Tim Leydecker<baue...@gmx.de>  wrote:

Hi guys,


is it possible to exchange particle cache data between Blender and
Softimage?

I惴 playing with Blender愀 Smoke effect and wonder if it would be possible

Ciaran Moloney

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May 24, 2011, 7:44:18 AM5/24/11
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blender seems to use particles, at least to some extend in terms
of emission, i haven愒 fully grasped it yet, am just playing with

it since this morning but am really liking the wavelet/fft detail
and the ogl display. captured that first and was happy already...
 
Sounds like fun. And the OGL display is sexy...

 
your particle stuff is great, btw:
http://vimeo.com/17545128
 
Thanks! That's a real nice simulator to work with.

Ciaran

Spangenberg, Stefan

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May 24, 2011, 7:52:38 AM5/24/11
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Great, well done!

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Alan Fregtman

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May 24, 2011, 9:05:12 AM5/24/11
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Holy awesomesauce, Batman! :o That was amazing and eerily poetic.

Fabricio Chamon

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May 24, 2011, 9:09:23 AM5/24/11
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awesome work!!...thanks for sharing it.

Jennifer Goldfinch

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May 24, 2011, 10:13:02 AM5/24/11
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I just posted the link on the Autodesk Facebook page - if that's your thing please go give it a "like!"

I had the honor of hanging out with Ilija and his colleague Jan during the 2011 VES awards when they won for best Student Film, and I was standing behind them when Christopher Nolan congratulated them on their amazing work. The room was so silent when they played their film, and as soon as it was done the room erupted into applause.

Great job to the guys and gals from Polynoid, you deserve all the recognition that your beautiful project has brought you and more.

Cheers -

Jen Goldfinch

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Tim Crowson

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May 24, 2011, 10:23:38 AM5/24/11
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Amazingly well done! Such a visceral piece...
Proof that it's not the tool, but how you use it....

-Tim Crowson
Magnetic Dreams
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john clausing

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May 24, 2011, 10:26:46 AM5/24/11
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very nice.

softimage with "heavy use of ice"
render engine?

details would be great if you can


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Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 10:23:38 AM

Subject: Re: polynoid Loom online

Tim Leydecker

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May 25, 2011, 5:52:52 AM5/25/11
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Hey guys,

thanks for the insights. Day 2 in Blender, can´t say i like the
GUI glitches, handling and responsiveness on my machine much.

i don´t want to bash blender, it just feels convoluted and "special"
until one knows all the shortcuts and "alternative" approaches to
viewport and interface organization.

i´ve also bad luck with my system (quadro card?) not really being
responsive when trying to hit stop or simply work with a scene.

this takes away a lot of the happiness about the smoke bit.

haven´t grasped all of it but the system is definitely a runners up
to the maya dynamics implementation, in terms of how perfectly
convoluted it is to get OGL display and renderoutput aligned
or even to show up a dynamic effect at all by first having
to specify which property to map to output (i´m talking mostly maya).

seems regardless of the implementation, e.g. the dynamic code,
"simply" putting that directly on screen/render hasn´t been
thought about?

Sort of as with ICE particles, you tweak an effect in the viewport,
are happy, then hit render and get a fistful of frustration in
your face because you still have to make it render nicely,
using voodoo mostly, setting density 0 here but upping the density there...

makes total sense and none at all unless you´re lucky.

voxels and volume shaders aren´t the end of the line, i hope...

Besides that, i´d like the dynamics behaviour bit, might look back into emfluid
to get that behaviour on particles and adaptive bboxes for voxels.

blender get´s as slow with large "domains" just as the competition
but clouds and mist are huge effects, unfortunately...

Cheers

tim

Ilija Brunck

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May 25, 2011, 6:22:27 AM5/25/11
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Hi!

sorry for the late response....busy days.

Thanks for all the nice words. It's great to hear you like the film.

About the rendering: Everything is rendered in Mental Ray.

On our vimeo channel you can find some making of videos.....some of the ice stuff and a shot breakdown. Hope those are intersting.


Cheers,
Ilija

Ureche Octavian

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May 25, 2011, 6:54:07 AM5/25/11
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wonderful work guys. loved the style and cinematography (reminds me of
your old short with the snails).
those breakdowns were really interesting as well.
keep doing what you do. it's truly inspirational.


best,
octav

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Steven Caron

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May 25, 2011, 2:56:43 PM5/25/11
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here is some development work done for the film..

http://vimeo.com/24207592

s

Ureche Octavian

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May 25, 2011, 6:27:36 PM5/25/11
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jeez that man is a genius...hands down.
does he take organs for that gpu solver?

Sam Cuttriss

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May 25, 2011, 7:48:24 PM5/25/11
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Hats off, great work.

Eric Turman

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May 25, 2011, 11:50:35 PM5/25/11
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Jaw-dropping & chilling. congratulations!

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Sam Cuttriss <tea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hats off, great work.



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Schoenberger

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May 27, 2011, 3:30:46 PM5/27/11
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> If you want to render the fluids directly in Soft, Holger is working on a
> fluid volume shader that will support many formats

Blender fluid caches are working since some time, but I have not
compiled a new version. I wanted to implement phoenix, which I was not
able to (for now, pretty complex format). And then RR took over again,
but I will be back on the shaders in a week.


Holger Schoenberger
technical director
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Tim Leydecker

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May 27, 2011, 4:28:16 PM5/27/11
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Hi Holger,

Thanks for the heads up. By Blender Fluid caches, do you refer to the *.bphys format?

That would be nice. I嚙練 looking forward to your volume shader!

The Blender smoke implementation is pretty cool due to the
FFT/Wavelet Smoke High Resolution calculations, btw.

Gives awesome, convincing details.

Maybe you find a minute to have a look at the featureset. Be prepared to run
into a few Bugs in 2.47b, thought. Off the top of my head, what I ran into:

*The Fluid Volume Object (Domain Object, in Blender terms) renders solid into all channels
but the Combined Pass (e.g. occluding the alpha, shadow, depthbuffer, .etc) this really
doesn嚙緣 help in rendering out layers...
*The Fluid Volume Object ignores Rotation
*Collada import is broken, as far as keys are created but all with the value of the first frame.
*The Maya keyboard preset has to be manually loaded via the UserPreferences
*Simultaneously rendering with two Blender instances on the same machine may result in the first
instance starting to write out black frames. Have to investigate this more, just happened today.

More specific to the Volume/Volume Texture in Blender:

*Be brave an try intensity values of 1024 on either Density or Texture>Intensity
*I liked the tips from this guy: http://www.blenderguru.com/introduction-to-smoke-simulation/

While you嚙緝e at it, maybe you嚙締l have fun playing with the various smoke volume settings
for inspiration. After doing so the whole day, I take back some of my grunts about the
Maya Volume shader implementation. I didn嚙緣 realize how much one can get out of a voxel
box by carefully mapping values. I wouldn嚙緣 mind a perfect out of the box solution, thought.

Cheers and Thanks for all your great shaders, I嚙締l take the time to log a few bugs
for Blender tomorrow, still can嚙緣 believe how nice the FFT/Wavelet stuff is.

I wonder when nVidia will bring their Physics stuff into mR. One can still hope :-)


tim


On 27.05.2011 21:30, Schoenberger wrote:
>> If you want to render the fluids directly in Soft, Holger is working on a
>> fluid volume shader that will support many formats
>
> Blender fluid caches are working since some time, but I have not compiled a new version. I wanted to implement phoenix, which I was not able to (for now, pretty complex format).
> And then RR took over again, but I will be back on the shaders in a week.
>
>
> Holger Schoenberger
> technical director
> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>
>
>
> Quoting Ciaran Moloney <moloney...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Having never used Blender, I could be talking nonsense, but if you say that
>> it's voxel based smoke then there probably aren't any underlying particles.
>> Parhaps you could advect some particels throught the fluid in Blender and
>> export as Realflow .bin to bring them into Soft.
>>
>> If you want to render the fluids directly in Soft, Holger is working on a
>> fluid volume shader that will support many formats, perhaps including
>> whatever blender uses....
>>
>> Ciaran
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Tim Leydecker <baue...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>>
>>> is it possible to exchange particle cache data between Blender and
>>> Softimage?
>>>

>>> I嚙練 playing with Blender嚙編 Smoke effect and wonder if it would be possible

tl_Blender2.47bSmokeSolvesScreened.jpg

Schoenberger

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May 30, 2011, 8:16:10 AM5/30/11
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Hi

Ok, I'm back from one week no-computer-work :-)-
Yes, it is the bphys format.
Only issue right now is that I am not allowed to use the source in my shader
as the shader is not open-source.
So solutions are 1. hope that they will not complain, 2. you have to convert
the files first with a tool I provide.

High res/Wavelet should be working, but then you have density only and no
more other values for rendering like temperature. There will be a workaround
with two fluid shaders for that.



Holger Sch嚙緯berger


technical director
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Olivier Jeannel

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May 30, 2011, 3:13:43 PM5/30/11
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This one given me the "chicken" skin (not sure this is frenchly translatable), both because it was creepy and super beautiful idea/super beautifuly made.

But, when I first saw the teaser, month ago, I really thought that the spider was falling from its web and that the butterfly would be saved...
Think I was young and innocent back then....

cte...@comcast.net

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May 30, 2011, 4:48:59 PM5/30/11
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"goosebumps" in English. Pretty close.


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Olivier Jeannel

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May 30, 2011, 4:54:03 PM5/30/11
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This list is helping me in pretty all aspects of my life :)

Olivier Jeannel

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May 30, 2011, 5:46:44 PM5/30/11
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Eeer, I have the sudden joy of having my shaders all disconnected and
returned to their defaults values (except from the phong ones).
Plus, my 3 miserables Ice trees are not functionning anymore.
Is there anything I should do (except from redoing everything from
scratch ) ?

2011.5 here


Eric Thivierge

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May 30, 2011, 5:52:21 PM5/30/11
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Any chance you can get the SP installed:
http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php/Autodesk_Softimage_2011_Subscription_Advantage_Pack_SP1

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Simon Van de Lagemaat

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